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Reply #15 - 01/19/14 at 03:47:34
 
All 3 consoles are shit. They are all just inferior computers now. They should just stop making game consoles and everyone move to PCs.
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Reply #16 - 01/19/14 at 10:26:15
 
Fair enough. I prefer more activity on Brawl anyway because I'm such an attention whore. It is a good point it's here just in case things get.......ugly. For whatever reason. 

Wow Obliverate. Tell us how you really feel. Heh.

I dunno about you but, I like the fact I have Netflix, and the other features on my X-Box. I re-read what I said, and never once did I bash that fact that the current gen consoles do other things than gaming. If anything, I said I would pause to take in what I see in games today, and be taken aback about how amazing it has evolved. I'm actually glad consoles do more than play games. I can watch a movie too? Excellent!   

This thread is primarily about how the games of today are being rushed out the door, unfinished, buggy bullshit, instead of at least polished enough to enjoy. I know what your reply was all about but, I have no idea why you'd go off on that tangent. 

I want an XBone but can't afford one right now. For me, all the social shit it can do will take a back seat to the games and gameplay. That is all. Microsoft and Sony cater to what the public wants, and I have no problems with them having all this social stuff on their consoles so long as it doesn't affect....(gasp) gameplay of current generation games.

Someone does Facebook all day, while watching movies, or catching up on scores of sports instead of playing a game? Fine by me. I don't care what you do with your time. 

If a game is shit, it doesn't matter if it was made 2 weeks ago, or 20 years ago. A turd is still a turd, and what a game console does outside of games wasn't really part of the discussion I was having here. At least I think it wasn't??

So go wave your old man cane somewhere else kiddo.....LOL! 

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Reply #17 - 01/19/14 at 15:41:55
 
Magnum wrote on 01/19/14 at 10:26:15:

If a game is shit, it doesn't matter if it was made 2 weeks ago, or 20 years ago. A turd is still a turd, and what a game console does outside of games wasn't really part of the discussion I was having here. At least I think it wasn't??



This.

I was arguing with some people on a GTA San Andreas Android Youtube video that were saying San Andreas was shit, and that people only think it's fun because of nostalgia. Then they went on to say GTA 5 was superior in every way mainly because of the "stunning visuals". I told them it doesn't matter how old the game is, if it was fun 10 years ago most likely it would still be fun, and if a game was shit 10 years ago, then guess what? It is still probably a shitty game right? I also told them that stunning graphics really have nothing to do with gameplay, its not a fucking movie, it's a GAME that you PLAY, hence gameplay.

I mean comparing graphics, in relation to how "good" a game is, especially with two different gen games is like apples and oranges. I feel like gameplay and game quality transcends beyond how old a game is, its universal throughout each generation of videogame.

That's really what the argument is right? That just because they keep their brain dead buffoon customers glued to the TV with cinema like graphics doesn't mean they can skimp out on what makes a real videogame, right?

I mean shit Obliverate, you're probably older than me and you telling me that you can't remember even two generations ago when all of the bells and whistles didn't even matter, and solid gameplay meant you could deal with the visuals? i.e. Twisted Metal?!?!?

You went on about this wacky argument about a guy hanging on to his old car, why? Cars can be related to videogames in that build quality transcends any generation you talk about, if a Ford Pinto blew dick back in 74, it wouldn't be any better now.

You look for the same things that make cars appealing which is reliability, good looks, and either fuel efficiency, performance, or a mix of both.
People still look for these today, and for arguments sake the quality factor has gone up, so a guy owning a car from 30 years ago may be screwed with fuel efficiency, and it may be a bit out of style.

Now regardless of fuel consumption if the car was of good quality back in the day and is still in good shape the thing shouldn't breakdown on you after 50,000 miles, it should last as long as any new car on the road.

So here is were you would argue that new cars have so many more safety features, power everything, anti-lock brakes, and even dick warmers, but no matter how much polish you put on that car, if the thing breaks down on you after a trip around the block, it's not worth having any of that crap.

I guess this argument has to do with the utilitarianism pertaining to videogames.

I will admit I enjoy Netflix a lot though, but do we really need like half of the game systems hardware set aside to run ridiculous features and to hold like 6 different video providers, music providers, and even cable providers?!
That to me is taking away from a games full potential, and how good this generation of systems could have been.
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Reply #18 - 01/19/14 at 18:52:20
 
Next time I'll put threads like this on (brawl), sorry guys.

To me all the other things the new systems do is nice but let me make myself clear.

These are 'gaming counsels', and I don't even care what the specs or capabilities of these counsels are, the fact is
A gaming counsel is only as good as the games are

I appreciate your input Obliverate and I actually envy you.
You have the ability to buy a game and enjoy it.
I just can't seem to do that anymore, (at least for the time being  Smiley)
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Reply #19 - 01/19/14 at 21:52:10
 
Well, as overzealous as Obliv may be at times, he did do ONE thing right with his rant: He mentioned Dark Souls & Valgaar. If you guys can't find good games these days, it's your own reluctance to blame.
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Reply #20 - 01/19/14 at 23:05:37
 
Mr.SLaM wrote on 01/19/14 at 15:41:55:
This.

I was arguing with some people on a GTA San Andreas Android Youtube video that were saying San Andreas was shit, and that people only think it's fun because of nostalgia. Then they went on to say GTA 5 was superior in every way mainly because of the "stunning visuals". I told them it doesn't matter how old the game is, if it was fun 10 years ago most likely it would still be fun, and if a game was shit 10 years ago, then guess what? It is still probably a shitty game right? I also told them that stunning graphics really have nothing to do with gameplay, its not a fucking movie, it's a GAME that you PLAY, hence gameplay.

I mean comparing graphics, in relation to how "good" a game is, especially with two different gen games is like apples and oranges. I feel like gameplay and game quality transcends beyond how old a game is, its universal throughout each generation of videogame.

That's really what the argument is right? That just because they keep their brain dead buffoon customers glued to the TV with cinema like graphics doesn't mean they can skimp out on what makes a real videogame, right?

I mean shit Obliverate, you're probably older than me and you telling me that you can't remember even two generations ago when all of the bells and whistles didn't even matter, and solid gameplay meant you could deal with the visuals? i.e. Twisted Metal?!?!?

You went on about this wacky argument about a guy hanging on to his old car, why? Cars can be related to videogames in that build quality transcends any generation you talk about, if a Ford Pinto blew dick back in 74, it wouldn't be any better now.

You look for the same things that make cars appealing which is reliability, good looks, and either fuel efficiency, performance, or a mix of both.
People still look for these today, and for arguments sake the quality factor has gone up, so a guy owning a car from 30 years ago may be screwed with fuel efficiency, and it may be a bit out of style.

Now regardless of fuel consumption if the car was of good quality back in the day and is still in good shape the thing shouldn't breakdown on you after 50,000 miles, it should last as long as any new car on the road.

So here is were you would argue that new cars have so many more safety features, power everything, anti-lock brakes, and even dick warmers, but no matter how much polish you put on that car, if the thing breaks down on you after a trip around the block, it's not worth having any of that crap.

I guess this argument has to do with the utilitarianism pertaining to videogames.

I will admit I enjoy Netflix a lot though, but do we really need like half of the game systems hardware set aside to run ridiculous features and to hold like 6 different video providers, music providers, and even cable providers?!
That to me is taking away from a games full potential, and how good this generation of systems could have been.

The 1983 Chrysler LeBaron was complete off-topic filler to pass the time, there was no depth to it and it shouldn't be viewed as relevant to much of anything. It would be heresy for me to stay completely on topic. I don't truly hate old games, and while I think some older games manage to be timeless, many just fall flat compared to modern games. My pair of rose-tinted glasses aren't as strong as most peoples', and while I can still enjoy the occasional bit of TM2 I do have a hard time playing early 3D games, having been spoiled by modern game engines with physics and polygons that aren't jumping around like a small bit of LSD was administered at the start screen. People are just too hard on modern games in the sense that they often state that since game A is bad or just mediocre, suddenly the gaming industry is going down the toilet, which often leads to the circlejerk regarding how every industry is going down the toilet.

I mean when a thread starts out with, "Just like the Food, Music, and Movie Industries, the video game industry is headed towards the shit can." it's hard to take any argument seriously because this is just a continuation of that horrible 'the good old days' argument about how everything used to be great and everything now is terrible, and spoiler, bad games have existed since games were a thing. They fucking buried truckloads of ET in the goddamn desert, don't tell me bad games didn't use to be a thing.

Even if you discount heavy hitters from 2013 like GTA V and The Last of Us, there's still games like Super Mario 3D World, Fire Emblem: Awakening, Rayman Legends, XCOM, I mean shit man there were a lot of fantastic games in only the last year. Of course we still received masterpieces such as Ride to Hell: Retribution, but Silver Surfer for the NES and Superman 64 still exist. It's easy to look back and have fond memories over the best games from previous generations because we generally forget all of the mediocre garbage that has been generated over the years, and my god has there been a lot.

In ten years, we'll put aside our Battlefield 7's and Super Mario 3D Space-Time-Continuums and reminisce on the greatness of past games, and I assure you the cutoff for literally Hitler will be moved up from the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 to the Xbox Infinite and Playstation 5, and suddenly we'll remember how great Halo 3 was and how everything was so grand in 2009, and how we wish we could go back.
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Reply #21 - 01/20/14 at 05:09:17
 
So you posted and the topic went to Brawl. No big deal Thump. No need to apologize. I would've kept it there but, it's just safer this way. Heh.

Most definitely if you can't find a great game to play this generation, (or any) that is definitely on you. The amount of great games does outweigh the bad ones out there. It's by a good margin but, the topic is how that gap seems to be narrowing.

And hell yea there have been terrible games since the start of games. It's just that the trend for some of us seems to be that games today are rushed and uncompleted more and more due to time restraints, and budget problems, or whatever else you might want to use. Some developer's LeBaron broke down before a test session so they said "fuck it" and shoved it through.

Unfortunately Thumpy, your never going to get just a basic game system anymore without any other features. It's an impossibility unless you buy retro. From what I have experienced, Microsoft and Sony have done a damn fine job of doing both so far last 2 gens. It's what the market demands, and they are never going to deviate from it now.

   
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Reply #22 - 01/20/14 at 14:35:23
 
What I don't understand is why there isn't an analogously identifiable margin of specs between the two primary competing systems. It feels too much like a,presidential campaign, where two schmucks compete for votes, yet neither of them differ much, because they are both fucking schmucks & are probably conspiring together anyway. I was really looking forward to watching microsoft disintegrate to be honest. I was hearing the most disparaging things about the upcoming Xbone, then suddenly, the two companies seem to have made two equal systems, I suppose it was like that since the 16 bit days. I wonder if it was ever due to defecting employees.

Games are rushed, just like Twisted Metal X was. Yet, when you look at abominations like Aliens CM, one realizes how imperative it is to produce them in a timely fashion.

I do agree though, when I realized that a good portion of the new gen systems' capabilities were partitioned for ui & other media features beside games, I was disappointed. If it is that big of a deal though, get a gaming pc, after all, this gen emulates closer to pc standards as their infrastructure is so similar.
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Reply #23 - 01/20/14 at 18:46:45
 
This is the first new generation of consoles that I wasn't excited about and I played games since the SNES era. The NES and Gameboy was also in the house. I already got enough consoles and I don't wanna waste anymore room space on another one, until I see a game that I really want to play, like a new Twisted Metal. Right now they don't interest me. The PS3 and the Wii doesn't even feel that old to me, even though both of them were released in 2006. I would have brought an Xbox 360 if it didn't had that red ring of death problem, which made it risky for me to buy. I didn't like how the design of the Wii U and it's name resembles the original Wii. It's like that name and design was rushed, in order to compete with the PS4 and Xbox one. I guess it doesn't matter what the console looks like, if it does different and more things than the previous one and has a different controller.
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Reply #24 - 02/25/14 at 10:53:05
 
Video gaming has lost a lot of it's charm for me lately.

To me it feels like it's all about being Triple A and trying to have the best graphics and resolution (Like that fucking matters.) And the 14 year old kids out there who wanna buy that shit is just reinforcing the copy cats and graphic angle.

I'd rather have a game that looks like udder shit, but plays smooth and tries something completely new. That's mainly why I stick to older games and PC games now. There's experimentation there, and unique ideas. Yeah some of them are shit. Who cares?

We really need to drop this addiction to squeals and go for some completely new IP's I feel.

But then again with out that new installment of COD Activision would be irrelevant again.
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