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Reply #90 - 06/04/21 at 01:26:19
 
Fascist?

No.

Propaganda? There's def times that happens, but same with MSNBC, CNN, etc.
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Reply #91 - 06/14/21 at 23:50:28
 
Fox is an arm of the GOP which is now turning Fascist.
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Reply #92 - 06/18/21 at 04:22:22
 
Thumpy wrote on 06/14/21 at 23:50:28:
Fox is an arm of the GOP which is now turning Fascist.


You keep using the word "fascist," but I'm not convinced you know what that word means.
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Reply #93 - 06/23/21 at 20:30:58
 
I think I'd rather describe the GOP as a cluster of megalomaniacs of the nth degree. Radically charged and dangerously reckless.
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Reply #94 - 06/28/21 at 11:17:20
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

I know what it means Kil.

Trump tried to stay in power the same way Hitler got into power by disrupting the transfer of power, thank goodness it failed.

Remember when Trump tried to restrict the media, only allowing FOX to enter some of his events.

Voter suppression, hate speeches its all there just what Hitler did.

Mardock who owns FOX bought National Geografic and other educational History shows to raise a nation that is ignorant of history.
Now we get psychists and space aliens and 'WHAT IFS', no facts just fantasy shows.

A stupid uneducated nation to be brainwashed I know it sounds like something from a movie but this is all true.

Real sad.
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Reply #95 - 07/02/21 at 05:42:43
 
Thumpy wrote on 06/28/21 at 11:17:20:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

I know what it means Kil.

Trump tried to stay in power the same way Hitler got into power by disrupting the transfer of power, thank goodness it failed.

Remember when Trump tried to restrict the media, only allowing FOX to enter some of his events.

Voter suppression, hate speeches its all there just what Hitler did.

Mardock who owns FOX bought National Geografic and other educational History shows to raise a nation that is ignorant of history.
Now we get psychists and space aliens and 'WHAT IFS', no facts just fantasy shows.

A stupid uneducated nation to be brainwashed I know it sounds like something from a movie but this is all true.

Real sad.


Hitler killed millions of Jews and started the costliest war in human history. There's clearly not a 1 to 1 there.

I think you got a lot of fallacies going on there,  but your biggest is probably jumping from the plural (Gop) to the singular (Trump) but still largely extrapolating to the plural.
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Reply #96 - 07/03/21 at 12:36:01
 
Hitler started his shit in the early 1930's and look what happened over the next 15 or so years.
When Hitler got into power he DID NOT kill anyone at that time.
One thing leads to another.
All I'm saying is that Trump was using HITLERS'S playbook to get the power he wanted, but failed at the point when he tried to make himself a strawman dictator.
Hitler did much of what Trump did before he took over Germany.
The GOP will stay on this coarse because their retarded hillbilly base is too stupid and lazy to adapt to anything else.
Just do and believe anything the strawman says, don't need a brain for that!!!!!!!!!!!



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Reply #97 - 07/03/21 at 20:40:25
 
Except one thing clearly didn't lead to another.  I might as well claim you're Hitler because you were both born.
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Reply #98 - 07/06/21 at 01:19:48
 
Someone clearly didn't read his history books.
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Reply #99 - 07/06/21 at 11:18:50
 
-Kilrahi- I have known you for a long time now and I know you are smart and capable of learning things.

Your are right, Trump and Hitler were not the same, one wore a suit and the other a military uniform.

There were four similarities.

1. SCAPEGOATING
2. MEDIA CO-OPTATION
3. PARAMILITARY ORGANIZATIONS
4. EMERGENCY LAWS


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Reply #100 - 07/06/21 at 11:22:20
 
Number 1 - SCAPEGOATING

Scapegoating was a Nazi maneuver to blame minority groups for policy failures and the weak economy. Trump has blamed foreigners and minorities for taking away jobs and killing Americans, but we need to see if this rhetoric from the campaign trail continues once he takes office.

Moreover, Nazi ideologues drew connections between their adversaries: to them, Marxists were essentially Jews, and Jews were connected to big money, so they alleged a global conspiracy against “racial” Germans — the “Jüdisch-Bolschewistische Weltverschwörung.” The equivalent today — an invented conspiracy of Trump’s domestic critics, minorities and international adversaries — would be a clear parallel and warning sign.

Trump has continued to blame foreign and domestic enemies for his policy failures. China has been blamed for the COVID-19 pandemic. Domestically, violent Anarchists, left-wing cancel culture, and the “deep state” have been blamed. Trump has never connected these dots into a Nazi-style world conspiracy, but his most ardent followers have. In the popular QAnon conspiracy theory, a child-abusing, state-run conspiracy, composed of global elites, is responsible for a wide array of social problems. Such conspiracy theories were not originally proposed by Trump, but he has embraced them, by drawing a “Q” in the air, referring to the state department as the “deep state department”, and by proposing that his reelection was stolen by a conspiracy. In summary, Trump has relied heavily on scapegoating.

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Reply #101 - 07/06/21 at 11:24:28
 
Number 2-MEDIA CO-OPTATION

Media co-optation (“Gleichschaltung”) proceeded in two steps in Nazi Germany: extending ideological command over the media where possible and shutting down those media outlets Hitler could not control. In the United States today, this type of autocratic control would be virtually impossible, though attempts at censorship are imaginable. Trump has had openly hostile relations with major newspapers such as the New York Times and The Washington Post, and threatened legal action during the campaign. The role of social media in the election points to future possible points of contention. One factor that contributed in some part to Trump’s victory was propaganda containing false but factual-sounding statements that discredited Hillary Clinton on social media.

Facebook has announced that it will do more fact-checking on trending stories. Mass-media technology has changed dramatically since the 1930s — and Trump has no legal basis to shut down critical outlets. But legal quarrels between his administration, the media and social networks would be a red flag, and a threat to the First Amendment.

Four years later, the struggle over fact-checking has prevailed. Trump has repeatedly lashed out at reporters by calling them “Fake News”. He also attempted to silence critics on Twitter and sued the New York Times. The largest and most consequential attempt at media co-optation came with proposed changes to legislation that could eliminate fact-checking from the Internet. Under U.S.C. section 230, online publishers, such as social media companies, are protected from liability for presenting, but also restricting information provided by third parties. This legislation allows Twitter and Facebook to label published information as disputed or not trustworthy. If repealed without replacement, labeling something as factually incorrect could be result in costly lawsuits. Even after having lost the election, Trump threatened to veto military funding unless Section 230 was repealed. Calling Trump’s word into question would have been financially impossible for most providers, had this attempt been successful. In this sense, Trump has attempted media-cooptation.
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Reply #102 - 07/06/21 at 11:26:18
 
Number 3 - PARAMILITARY ORGANIZATIONS

Paramilitary organizations were also part of the Nazi effort to boost national-majority cohesion. The “Sturmabteilung” (SA) violently attacked and intimidated adversaries, most notably on “Kristallnacht” in 1938, when they carried out large-scale attacks on Jews and political opponents. Thus far, the president-elect’s reaction to post-election racial violence and harassment has been a call to “stop it!” Trump rejected an endorsement from a KKK-linked newspaper before the election, but continued praise from former KKK leader David Duke leaves many Americans concerned about the potential for a rise in SA-type activities. Even more alarming would be any indication that the U.S. government would tolerate violence or racial intimidation from white supremacist groups.

In the wake of the attacks on the Capitol on January 6, direct comparisons to Kristallnacht and Hitler’s early violent power grab, the “Beer Hall Putsch” have been drawn by US politicians. Earlier than that, Trump has refused to condemn deadly right-wing attacks: after the Charlottesville car attack, Trump commented there were “very fine people on both sides”. Instead of rejecting paramilitary organizations threatening violence, Trump simply asked the “Proud Boys” to “stand down”. The threat of paramilitary violence coming from QAnon, local militias, and anti-BLM vigilantes was part of his presidency and culminated in a deadly attack on the US capitol, directly instigated by Trump. However, there is one important difference to Nazi Germany: Trump did not organize and directly control paramilitary organizations, labor service, and youth indoctrination. The Nazis did that with the SA, the Reichsbund organizations, and the Hitler Youth.
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Reply #103 - 07/06/21 at 11:27:46
 
Number 4 - EMERGENCY LAWS
Emergency laws came about in Germany after the 1933 arson attack on the Reichstag (Germany’s parliament). Hitler used the threat of terrorism and foreign aggression to justify sweeping autocratic policies, including the 1933 Enabling Act (which let the government issue laws without the Reichstag). Similarly, the Reichstag Fire Decree in 1933 gave Hitler the power to suspend most Germans’ political and individual rights, effectively outlawing opposition parties. Changing the U.S. Constitution to abolish elections and remove freedom of speech is hardly imaginable. The United States has an uninterrupted democratic history, while Hitler was able to tap into nostalgia for the times under the last German emperor. But the United States has had similar measures in place since Sept. 11, 2001, which have boosted government surveillance while limiting checks and balances on domestic policing and the use of military force.

Trump has attempted to directly control politics while circumventing checks and balances on multiple occasions. However, the US has not seen an abolition of checks and balances comparable to the Enabling Act. Instead, “ruling by decree” was a constant element of his presidency, starting with banning Muslims from entering the country and mobilizing the National Guard during BLM protests. Additionally, he prompted to designate ANTIFA a terrorist organization, which in turn would have lowered legal barriers for employment of force.

With regard to international conflict, the picture is mixed. Trump has made good on his promise to not start a war, but he has come very close at times. Tensions with North Korea increased early on in his presidency, culminating in threats of “fire and fury” and dismissing Steve Bannon for his  observation that there is no military option for the Korean peninsula. The assassination of high-ranking Iranian General Qasem Soleimani brought the countries to the brink of war, and retaliatory strikes were conducted against a US base in Iraq.
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