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Re: Alternative media to the legacy media narrative...
Reply #75 - 12/14/20 at 15:13:14
 
We both get information from sources that are controlled, or possibly might have bias. I'm pretty certain we can agree on that. It's not like me or Kilrahi can just wait for books to made while present history moves along. All these current events are being reported in whatever flavor of text people might want to cling to. I posted Tim's video because overall, he really tries to be middle road. Alot like I do. He calls out what he finds. He even applauded the Left for raising money for that Red house they made a zone out of but, condemned the zone and it's use of weapons.

Fact checkers is honestly a very scary thing to me. Because they were not "suitcases" and they are "ballot boxes" the action involving them is null? Also the the conflicting reports of no other means of observation were there to observe those ballots being counted regardless of if they were told told to go, or willingly left? even when the law of Georgia says there has to be observers there?

If this is the case considering watching the video in question, and since it has now long been scrutinized, picked apart and told to be false, I personally would love to try something in real life, but don't have the balls (or sense) to try.

I'll walk into a bank with a squirt gun and a note. The note will read I have a gun but it's fake so don't worry. I just want all the money in here so I can give it to "charity"

At my trial I will point out that my "gun" isn't real, and my intentions were no harm, and that I was planning on using the money to give to charity with no personal gain.   

I'd hope that everything that I said was checked and was proven to be true. Should be able to just waltz outta court on that.
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Reply #76 - 12/14/20 at 22:04:58
 
The point is, all of those things you point to as concerns in that video only come FROM that video.

If they tell you no one was there - why do you assume no one was there? 

The people who made that video aren't experts - they weren't even there.

This is what made up stuff looks like. People who weren't at an event doctoring a video and putting spooky thoughts over it. It means nothing, and until they can give you more concrete information about it there is ZERO reason to give it any time of day.



Edit: And I keep seeing so many people getting freaked out about fact checkers. Why? Because someone actually does their damn homework instead of just believing bullshit? People should only be annoyed at fact checkers if they can point to something in the fact checker analysis that is wrong. If they can't do that ,and so far no one I ever see can - then they should admit their story is likely bullshit and shouldn't be believed and move on.


I do tend to like Tim though, even if lately he seems to be slipping into more of a narrative driven news approach rather than trying to stay detached and unbiased.
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Reply #77 - 12/15/20 at 14:54:26
 
In your fact checkers column, it says that a bunch of people were not told to go home or stop counting. I've seen reports and videos of the report you posted. That report said the only people that were there were those in the video and that those ballot boxes were already seen by observers, but the video I show says otherwise. This is why things are so murky.

If this is what made up stuff looks like, then there is nothing stopping anyone from making up anything they please regardless of "proof" or doctoring no matter what "side" they are on. If giving things an absolute zero to any evidence to any side means an absolute impasse that gives no one any solutions to wrong doing.

That is the dangerous slope I'm talking about. Nothing is true even with proof.    
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Reply #78 - 12/15/20 at 16:59:52
 
Magnum wrote on 12/15/20 at 14:54:26:
In your fact checkers column, it says that a bunch of people were not told to go home or stop counting. I've seen reports and videos of the report you posted. That report said the only people that were there were those in the video and that those ballot boxes were already seen by observers, but the video I show says otherwise. This is why things are so murky.

If this is what made up stuff looks like, then there is nothing stopping anyone from making up anything they please regardless of "proof" or doctoring no matter what "side" they are on. If giving things an absolute zero to any evidence to any side means an absolute impasse that gives no one any solutions to wrong doing.

That is the dangerous slope I'm talking about. Nothing is true even with proof.    


That's precisely why logic requires that the extraordinary opinion (in this case the people claiming fraud) be the ones to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there was fraud.

If you don't follow that rule in your personal life you'll be subject to believing anything, because it is literally possible to prove that something NEVER happened. I can't prove to you there is no Santa Clause. That's literally impossible. It's the job of someone asking you to believe in Santa Clause to prove without question he exists.

Right now I could film a bag in my closet and share it on Facebook with a caption that said, "Breaking, proof of voter fraud!!!" Tons of people would believe it and likely share it. That's garbage, that's no way to live life.

These people have been given ample time to prove their claims, and at every opportunity they have nothing. The emperor has no clothes. You can look up the original sources if you really want to - Trump has now done numerous lawsuits and those lawsuits are available for people to look up. When you do, they didn't have any actual evidence of anything. This is a house of cards.
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Reply #79 - 12/15/20 at 17:19:22
 
I can't prove to you there is no Santa Clause. That's literally impossible. It's the job of someone asking you to believe in Santa Clause to prove without question he exists.

If that's the case, then the ones claiming there is no fraud have nothing to worry about. Then the same holds true for the people who claim Jesus exists or the Easter Bunny.

I have really tried to look at both sides of this with impartial view. I don't like the Left as much as I don't like the Right. Obviously like I've said previously in this thread, being in the middle holds no position at all.

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Reply #80 - 12/15/20 at 22:57:01
 
Magnum wrote on 12/15/20 at 17:19:22:
I can't prove to you there is no Santa Clause. That's literally impossible. It's the job of someone asking you to believe in Santa Clause to prove without question he exists.

If that's the case, then the ones claiming there is no fraud have nothing to worry about. Then the same holds true for the people who claim Jesus exists or the Easter Bunny.

I have really tried to look at both sides of this with impartial view. I don't like the Left as much as I don't like the Right. Obviously like I've said previously in this thread, being in the middle holds no position at all.



Well, the power of mobs believing things, even without evidence, has proven to be one of the most dangerous things our planet has ever faced.

Most of history's greatest tragedies were brought about by that kind of scenario.
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Reply #81 - 12/16/20 at 14:01:41
 
I've always held a large mutual respect for you Kilrahi. We're just gonna have to agree to disagree is all.

You can still sniff the undies if you want. That'd never change.
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Reply #82 - 12/18/20 at 00:16:31
 
Magnum wrote on 12/16/20 at 14:01:41:
I've always held a large mutual respect for you Kilrahi. We're just gonna have to agree to disagree is all.

You can still sniff the undies if you want. That'd never change.


Same. You should come join our Discord sometime. We talk all the time. It's more like the old TMA. You can still keep this boat afloat as well.
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Reply #83 - 12/19/20 at 02:11:45
 
I agree with Kilrahi that the burden of proof is on the one making the claim.

I don't agree with him that the TMA discord is like the old TMA, though.
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Reply #84 - 12/19/20 at 07:30:58
 
Methid Man wrote on 12/19/20 at 02:11:45:


I don't agree with him that the TMA discord is like the old TMA, though.


Eh..... I suppose you're right.
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Reply #85 - 01/09/21 at 17:05:45
 
Steps to avoid news:

1. See rock.

2. Live under it.

3. Profit.
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