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Flat Earth vs Globe Earth. Let's debate!
12/01/19 at 16:23:07
 
As you may have heard by now, the topic of flat Earth vs globe Earth has grown pretty big right now. Before I give my thoughts on this, however, I want to hear from others here. So, what do you think? Is the Earth flat, a globe or something else? Because this topic continues to grow, let's actually try to prove the shape of the Earth. Please, let's not use mockery as that doesn't prove anything. Instead, let's use something like, oh, I dunno... science? Yes! Science! Much better! Mockery isn't science (in case anyone was wondering), so let's please put that aside and let's have a real debate.

So again, what do you think? Are we living on a flat Earth, globe Earth or other?...
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Reply #1 - 12/08/19 at 21:46:08
 
WTF?

No mockery? On BOTW? You gotta be shitting me. Just to be clear. As far as I'm concerned, this "old fashioned", "out of date", "ignorant" whatevers anyone might want to call it today in our "modern" society is still at this site. You'll get your debate for sure. Believe it or not, you actually CAN get a decent debate without mockery, tom foolery, or hi jinx involved. With that in mind, leave your fragility at the door. This is BOTW. If it offends you, makes you mad, cry, butt hurt, or whatevers.......just TL:DR the post and leave and the rest can keep discussing. Or bashing. Whatevers. ANYONE who comes here needs to understand that.   

With that wonderful disclaimer out of the fucking way, I can debate that without being scientific at all. Why? cause I don't have a literal PHD in anything to prove that question you pose. Both me and you can only go by the information others have discovered FOR us at this time. With that said, everyone can have a theory at that point. Even the PHD's, and you know why? Because even the PHD's are still speculating about the entirety of space at this very moment with all the technology we have at our disposal, unlike Galileo hundreds of years ago.

With that being said, (if you decided to not TL:DR me yet or butt hurt) You'll notice a reoccurring pattern looking at our planets and the moons around them. Also the sun. Every planet and their moons we discovered have been round for the hundreds of years we have been observing them through crude 1400's era scopes, or Hubble that ORBITS our fucking planet. Until recently, we have observed stars and possible planets in OTHER galaxy's that also appear to be round. So if this pattern seems to be consistent in our galaxy and others.......absolutely our fucking planet must be the ONLY flat one just because we say so. If anyone who has flown a modern airplane at 30,000+ feet, you can actually see the curvature of the planet. Even more pronounced near sunset or sunrise.

The flat earth theory was pretty much debunked hundreds of years ago with math and much smarter people. The flat earth theory has only recently started making a comeback because there was an actual joke on the internet made about it to see if it would gain traction, and see if people would be gullible/stupid enough to swallow it. They have. Just like the "OK" symbol with your hands has now become racist due to it being taken seriously starting out as a "joke" at 1st. Got to love the internet.   

So with all my TL:DR sarcastic, snarky, ancient, closed mind POV.......I suggest that any flat earth believer sign up to get on the next rocket to go to space. I mean pack them in like cattle with plenty of window seats so each and every one of them can see out of it. Let them chill out in space for a couple of days so it can sink in, then open the huge ass airlock Aliens 2 style and let them enter the Earth as round meteorites.

The last thing they hear over the intercom should be, "Thank you for choosing Round Trip Space Lines! Your one stop choice for Flat Earther's! We hope you enjoyed your flight and you will be making landfall shortly."

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Reply #2 - 12/10/19 at 01:03:47
 
Was I to harsh? I mean, I dunno?

I guess being able to speak your mind with absolutely no filters or repercussions at all is kinda liberating isn't it? 

Man this site is dead. Ya'll suck.
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Reply #3 - 12/10/19 at 07:31:10
 
Nope, not too harsh. In fact, I'm not really one to get offended easily; if at all. Like you said, this site is dead and I didn't see any reply until I saw yours today.

Anyways, the only issue I have with the mockery is that, while it may be liberating to say whatever the fuck you want, it only serves to limit the discussion/debate in finding actual facts/truths. Take for instance, some popular mockery among many heliocentric people on the internet are: "If the Earth was flat, cats would've pushed everything off of the edge by now." and "There are flat Earthers all around the globe." This doesn't prove anything other than that they can generate laughs among people who 'think' as they do with 'jokes' they didn't even come up with on their own. I can't even call them jokes myself because they have major problems: The first one assumes there's an edge, while most flat Earthers don't claim to know that there even is one for certain or not. The second one is simply asserting one's own beliefs.

As you might have guessed by now, I am indeed on the geocentric side of the debate. And no, I don't have a PhD or what have you in anything as well. But: THAT'S OK. Wanna know why? Well, you were born with a brain, weren't you? Yes? Ok then, stop with the nonsense that all you have to go on is the information discovered "for us." And who is this "us" you are referring to anyways? Speak for YOURSELF. But most importantly: THINK FOR YOURSELF. And you don't need to be certified for shit to KNOW anything as long as you learn to use your goddamn brain and not be dependent on having others to think for you (a common, major problem among globe Earthers).

Before I get into the other parts of your post, I want to address the flat Earth joke you are referring to that was apparently made to see if it were to gain traction. I've heard nothing of the sort and find that very hard to believe (I'll definitely need better proof than your word, which I don't expect to receive). According to a guy named Eric Dubay, whom is considered the father of the flat Earth 'movement' by those who claim themselves to be true flat Earthers, says that he first began trying to get the word out about flat Earth years before it began to take off (don't remember what year, but flat Earth began to take off again around 2014 and even more so in 2015. It only continues to grow, already well into the hundreds of thousands). And while most who consider themselves true flat Earthers don't associate themselves with today's Flat Earth Society; there was, however, a man on TV who was a founder or member (not sure. Haven't seen the video in a while) discussing flat Earth truthfully back in, I beLIEve, the 80's on a talk show. Today, however, the Flat Earth Society would have you believe in nonsense such as the Earth constantly moving upwards and catching up with objects. Those who consider themselves true flat Earthers don't believe that, nor gravity; but rather density and buoyancy.

Ok, let's back up to the other parts of your post. The curvature. Yes, as I like to say, there are 2 types of globe Earthers: those who claim to see curvature, and those that claim you cannot see curvature (because the Earth is too big). Now, I haven't been in an airplane myself; but according to PhD, astrophysicist Neil DeGrass Tyson you cannot see the curvature of the Earth at even 4 times the height you are claiming. Don't believe me? Watch for yourself: https://youtu.be/CV73hqCvxxs

As for people much smarter debunking flat Earth hundreds of years ago... well, there you fucking go again depending on others to think for you. Do yourself a favor and start using the thing that is SUPPOSED to separate humans from other animals and THINK FOR YOURSELF. How many times do I have to say it? I am of course talking about using the fucking BRAIN you were born with, goddamnit! Use it for something besides a hat rack! LOL! You don't need Galileo, Copernicus, Newton, Neil DeGrass Tyson, Eric Dubay, etc. or anybody else to think for you. You don't even know what their agendas are for FUCKING OUT LOUD. You're not a fucking fish capable of only memorization. Gots it? THINK!

Oh, anz don'ts bees offended, lol!
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Reply #4 - 12/12/19 at 04:21:43
 
The fact this is even a debate makes me want to give a shotgun a blowjob.
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Reply #5 - 12/13/19 at 05:56:12
 
Now that I am off work and I can appropriately approach this.
Let's try a little exercise. Dont worry, this isnt physical it works out that atrophied muscle you call a brain.

1. Explain day or night cycles of the earth is flat. When the sun is at its highest point if the earth was flat would light up the whole planet.

2. When firing a long range weapon such as missiles or artillery you have to adjust for the curvature of the earth, if it is flat how is this so?

3. When sending spaceships to distant planets we use the earth's rotation as a sling shot, how exactly would a flat plate rotate and how would we not notice?

4 if the earth was flat and rotating the north and south poles would change constantly would they not?

5. If the earth was flat how did people travel around the globe and not fall off?

6. Also if the earth was flat explain a horizon and how this effect works.

7. If the earth was flat cats would of pushed everything off the edge already.

Do us all a favor and keep the crack pot conspiracies to yourself.
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Reply #6 - 12/14/19 at 09:10:22
 
1. The sun (as well as the moon) goes around the flat Earth disk, circling the north pole around  the equator; above the surface of the Earth, but within the firmament (whichmay or may not be domed shaped). The sun is much closer and smaller than you have brought up to beLIEve. Because of this, the sun acts as a spotlight and does not light up the entire Earth.

2. I'm not entirely familiar with this; but anyone telling you they take curvature into account is feeding you full of shit... that is, unless: they talkin' 'bout yo mama's big ass.

3. You make a lot of assumptions, as most globe Earthers do; usually due to a lack of thought put into this particular subject (as well as many others. But we won't get into that now). But that's okay, I'm here to help you begin using your indoctrinated, little mind for something other than storing the mass produced bullshit you've been feasting on your entire worthless existence. The Earth is a flat and stationary plane. Planet is just the word plane, minus the added 't'. There is no outer space within the flat Earth model. All of your precious rockets that are launched by government space agencies are sent up, over and crashing straight into the fucking ocean. That's right: your space dreams are in a deep, watery grave abyss.

4. Again, ASSuming shit. Flat Earth is motionless. The north pole stays in the center of flat Earth, as always. There is no south pole.

5. Fall off what? The ASSumed edge, perhaps? Flat Earth may or may not have an edge. No one (except for the illuminated, puppet masters) really knows. The Antarctic treaty keeps people from traveling entirely across Antarctica (the ice ring/wall) if they even had the means to begin with.

6. The horizon (HORIZONTAL) appears flat because the Earth actually is fucking flat (wow, that was fucking simple).

7. Nice one! I'll have to remember it...

8. Or else you'll do what? Give a shotgun a blow job? Be my guest... go right ahead; no one is stopping you from living out your fantasy...
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Reply #7 - 12/14/19 at 12:37:10
 
You know, the phrase 'Question Everything' shouldn't be taken so seriously. It's bad for you mentally. This is the result of letting anyone use the internet, as to be expected.

Should I start questioning why my hair color is a certain way or how do numbers work? I'm lead to beLIEve these methods are true and should be kept as such. Certainly my caretakers and my teachers wouldn't dare to deceive me!!! Perhaps a walk to the park is more complex than we imagine.

It is...quite stunning to say the least. I suspect that this topic was conjured up to deliberately stir controversy and attract attention back to TMA. At least, that's what Ď BE
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Reply #8 - 12/14/19 at 22:50:41
 
Shh. Play ball and feed the troll. I'm bored.
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Reply #9 - 12/16/19 at 08:26:10
 
Hey! I actually like this guy. He didn't get butt hurt when I got sarcastic in my reply, and gave me my own tone and format back at me. Gotta at least respect it. Biggest reason I even did it that way is to make sure he isn't an easy scare or pushover. Most times they run away. My only thing was, don't post on BOTW and say no this or that. That's just an automatic given to do exactly that. And I did.


THINK FOR YOURSELF. And you don't need to be certified for shit to KNOW anything as long as you learn to use your goddamn brain and not be dependent on having others to think for you (a common, major problem among globe Earthers).

Anyway, Mockery will never limit a conversation to me.  Unfortunately for you if I deem it necessary I will use it just as you have. And you still replied in turn. This whole discussion has no facts or truths because we all have an opinion on it based on what we were taught by people in the past. So just because I was born with my brain, I'm only going to use it as I was taught. So for example if for the last 1000 years we were all taught the world was flat, what would my argument be? So then all of a sudden I go and tell the world it's round and I'm called crazy. Just like the men who proposed that theory hundreds of years ago. Just because you have a brain for yourself, you are still going to go by whatever you were given throughout your life. So the merry go round debate proves nothing then if indoctrination of knowing no other way cannot be broken.


I want to address the flat Earth joke you are referring to that was apparently made to see if it were to gain traction. I've heard nothing of the sort and find that very hard to believe (I'll definitely need better proof than your word, which I don't expect to receive). According to a guy named Eric Dubay, whom is considered the father of the flat Earth 'movement' by those who claim themselves to be true flat Earthers, says that he first began trying to get the word out about flat Earth years before it began to take off (don't remember what year, but flat Earth began to take off again around 2014 and even more so in 2015.

The "joke" that I am referring to is what you posted. Everyone I know of at the time called it a joke so, yea I guess there is that. So when it gets to the internet, we all know how that can roll. That's an edge we can push off the planet. HAHA RIGHT?!? But seriously, that guy is the exact polar opposite of those hundreds of years ago that went and "possibly proved" the Earth is round. I also guess the modern astronauts are completely in the fold conspiracy.

So if I don't need the people you listed to help me think like you say, then my opinion or anyone else's is what's called a conundrum. Fucking merry go round.


(I'll definitely need better proof than your word, which I don't expect to receive).

My words mean nothing.

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Reply #10 - 12/17/19 at 00:27:30
 
TwistedChains wrote on 12/14/19 at 09:10:22:
1. The sun (as well as the moon) goes around the flat Earth disk, circling the north pole around  the equator; above the surface of the Earth, but within the firmament (whichmay or may not be domed shaped). The sun is much closer and smaller than you have brought up to beLIEve. Because of this, the sun acts as a spotlight and does not light up the entire Earth.

2. I'm not entirely familiar with this; but anyone telling you they take curvature into account is feeding you full of shit... that is, unless: they talkin' 'bout yo mama's big ass.

3. You make a lot of assumptions, as most globe Earthers do; usually due to a lack of thought put into this particular subject (as well as many others. But we won't get into that now). But that's okay, I'm here to help you begin using your indoctrinated, little mind for something other than storing the mass produced bullshit you've been feasting on your entire worthless existence. The Earth is a flat and stationary plane. Planet is just the word plane, minus the added 't'. There is no outer space within the flat Earth model. All of your precious rockets that are launched by government space agencies are sent up, over and crashing straight into the fucking ocean. That's right: your space dreams are in a deep, watery grave abyss.

4. Again, ASSuming shit. Flat Earth is motionless. The north pole stays in the center of flat Earth, as always. There is no south pole.

5. Fall off what? The ASSumed edge, perhaps? Flat Earth may or may not have an edge. No one (except for the illuminated, puppet masters) really knows. The Antarctic treaty keeps people from traveling entirely across Antarctica (the ice ring/wall) if they even had the means to begin with.

6. The horizon (HORIZONTAL) appears flat because the Earth actually is fucking flat (wow, that was fucking simple).

7. Nice one! I'll have to remember it...

8. Or else you'll do what? Give a shotgun a blow job? Be my guest... go right ahead; no one is stopping you from living out your fantasy...


See the issue here is you have no backed any of this up with actual science, sources or material. I would like to see some proof, rather than some hyperbole.

Most of your bull comes from and sounds like this article. Which explains why you don't have a answer for anything outside of this article.

https://www.livescience.com/63648-flat-earth-explanation-for-the-equinox.html

And since we are here, I will quote the damn article you so blatantly ripped off.

"This explanation has its problems. For starters, a sun circling 3,000 miles (5,000 km) above a flat Earth would never actually "set," even at the most southern latitudes. YouTube user Wolfie6020, a globe-Earth proponent, demonstrated this by building a scale model of the flat-Earth-style sun as it would be seen from Sydney on a vernal equinox. As shown in his video, the sun (actually a drone carrying a ping-pong ball) never dips below the horizon, even at its farthest point from the observer.

Moreover, during an equinox, the sun appears to rise due east and set due west everywhere on Earth except at the poles. For this to hold true on a flat Earth, where some cities are physically many times farther away from the sun than others, the sunlight would have to bend at hundreds of different angles simultaneously. That's the only way it could appear as if it was always coming from the east. YouTube user Flat Out, another prolific globe-Earth proponent, demonstrated the impossibility of this explanation using simple computer simulations in 2017.

So far, no flat-Earth model has been able to resolve these problems. But that doesn't stop the community from trying — or, in some cases, not trying. Like many conspiracy theories, it's the uncertainty that makes flat-Earth theory a mystery worth obsessing over for its proponents. So, whatever you believe, we hope this year's equinox restores your wonder in the globe/disc we call home."




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2.
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https://www.mathscinotes.com/2017/12/earths-curvature-and-battleship-gunnery/

"Background
Earth Curvature Calculation
I have written about how to compute the curvature of the Earth over a given distance in another post using Equation 1, which relates the deviation from horizontal to the distance from the measurement origin."


Military and artillery uses something called earth curvature calculation. You can see the actual math in the article, but I really doubt you would understand it.

3.
https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/launch-windows/en/
https://www.explainthatstuff.com/spacerockets.html
https://www.britannica.com/science/spaceflight#ref219229

Do some reading. If you can 't understand the rest its fine, the first article has a demonstration you can try at your local playground. Just don't touch the kids.

4. Please explain gravity then. Also how thick is the flat earth? Also what keeps it stationary? How does an asteroid impact not cause the earth to wobble?

5.
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Its how
flat
surfaces work.

6. https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/horizon/

"Flat Earth
Many people continued to believe the Earth was flat until the late Middle Ages. The horizon was interpreted as the sharp edge of the Earthalthough no one ever reached it.

The horizon also helped prove that the Earth was a sphere. As early as 330 BCE, the Greek philosopher Aristotle noticed that certain constellations in the southern sky rose higher from the horizon as he traveled south. This could only be possible if the Earth was round."


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Bonus: For fun, here is a bonus question, How does the earth create a magnetic field?

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Reply #11 - 12/17/19 at 10:12:13
 
Just for the record, he did say he believed in a round earth. He just wants to know what POV we have to the entire thing and go from there.

Either way, It's still typical internet discussion.
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Reply #12 - 12/17/19 at 18:57:08
 
I asked questions to see what he would reply. I know he said he does belive in the earth is round, but he said it was a debate. He brought to me half baked flat earth theories backed by psuedo science and I replied.

So I tend to throw a little sarcasm in there. No harm no foul.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #13 - Yesterday at 14:50:08
 
Magnum,

Your mind is a bullshit filter. Doesn't matter what goes inside. Lies, truth, bullshit, whatever. Filter out the 'bad' and retain the 'good', if you know how to think critically. If not, you will do the opposite. It really just depends on which side of the brain is most dominant: either the logical, objective, left side or the fantasy-loving, subjective, right side. The left side cares about truth and facts above all else. The right side would gladly suck the dick of a lie if it sounds 'good' enough. Take for example: "buy one get one free" would be seen as more expensive to the left side because it knows the price was raised on one item to cover the cost of the second item. Meanwhile, the right side is 'thinking': "MOAR!!! FREE!!!"

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Yes, the truth is ridiculed because that's what the fantasy-brained sheeple love so much; which works well for the Elites when attempting to deceive the masses.

Astronauts (33 in numerology), or astroNOTS as I like to refer to them based on the intentional wordplay; aka Freemasons, are definitely "in the fold" as you put it.



You don't need help thinking; but if it helps speed things along, then go ahead and listen to whomever. Life is short, afterall. Just remember to filter out whatever bullshit your brain will allow.


As far as your word goes: your word is your word. That's it. It would be trust on my part. Aka faith. It isn't knowledge. I said that I don't expect to receive proof; but that doesn't mean it isn't possible.
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Reply #14 - Yesterday at 14:54:31
 
Adonael,

I will address your post soon when I have more free time. I'm doing one post at a time, for now. Everyone, please ask one question at a time. I'm not trying to address 50 billion questions at once. But, for the record, I've never seen or heard of that article before. I'm certainly not trying to rip off any shit-flinging humanzee.

Also, I can't stand that wolfie guy on youtube. He's already had his ass handed to him numerous times by a far more intelligent, hairless ape called p-brane, also on youtube (look him up).
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