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There is a war on video games on all fronts
06/22/19 at 03:15:28
 
I'll list who the enemies are and what the problems are. Maybe some one can hit up Jaffe on Twitter and get him to go off about every problem and enemy we're facing and do a Periscope, Twitch, or YouTube upload or 2 or 3. Sometimes he's completely wrong, other times he hits the bulls eye right on the head of the nail.

I'll start.

>WHO which is a arm of the UN calling gaming a disease.
>Donald Trumps tariffs on consoles. (I'm iffy on that one because fuck China, but still)
>Sony's censorship policy when it comes to Japanese anime games.
> Microsoft even engaging in censorship now (See Forza Horizon 4 song lyrics like "stardusted", "high", and "god" YES GOD IS CENSORED IN A SONG ON A E RATED GAME).
>the suicidal push to abolish single player campaign gaming.
>the suicidal push to abolish discs and make you download games so you lose your consumer rights.
>the video game bloggers and video games urologists trying to push their social political ideology into gaming.
>if Hillary Clintons past anti games efforts cost her 2016 and if Trumps open anti gamer bias and hate will cost him 2020.
>The social media censorship.
>Some of the i am certain the spying consoles and companies do on users (Not just the big 3 but game studios).
>The big budgets for video games.
>The censorshiop and subversion of games


That's all i can think of now feel free to add your own enemies an problems and solutions as well.
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Reply #1 - 06/23/19 at 16:20:30
 
Looks like you have a problem with stupidity, immaturity, ignorance, and greed.

Got some bad news for you buddy, it ain't going away.
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Reply #2 - 09/24/19 at 09:14:33
 
I've played video games my whole life and never had a violent episode on record, at least nothing to the level of a school shooting. But, how can people say there is no connection? Clearly there is some connection. I don't think the implication is that all gamers are violent people, but that some people who play games are more capable of violence than others and these games may reward those behaviors. Similar to how not all gun owners purchase or carry to commit crimes, but certainly some of them do.
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Reply #3 - 09/25/19 at 12:51:52
 
And what you described is a people problem. Not a gun problem or a video game problem

These people would be more likely to be violent even without the extra stimuli.
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Reply #4 - 09/26/19 at 19:24:56
 
†Adonael wrote on 09/25/19 at 12:51:52:
And what you described is a people problem. Not a gun problem or a video game problem

These people would be more likely to be violent even without the extra stimuli.

I think it's both. Haven't you ever met someone who takes their gaming a little too seriously? I don't mind calling it as it is even if I'm someone who enjoys video games responsibly. We've all seen that guy who has an unhealthy obsession with their kill:death ratio.
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Reply #5 - 09/26/19 at 20:13:41
 
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Addictions are a different topic. Addicted people tend to be violent when their addiction is taken away, yes, but not all.

But then that cycles around to it being a problem with the individual not the medium they are interacting with.
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Reply #6 - 09/30/19 at 20:24:39
 
A number of these shooters were gamers though..I don't think gaming is as common as you think. Just because you and a number of friends play games doesn't mean everyone else in the country is putting in the same number of hours or even interested in gaming at all. It is definitely a trend in a number of the suspects going back to Colombine, that's hard to deny. It's as if all mass shooters were also avid tennis players, you would just ignore that evidence as well. No one is saying you pick up a 1993 copy of Doom and you go on a shooting rampage, but there is some connection.
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Reply #7 - 10/01/19 at 15:18:43
 
Just like its pearl jams fault a kid shot himself in school because of the song Jeremy right?

The lot of you want to point your finger at something else rather than accept humans are peice of shit with animal instincts and the fact violence is one of the most common in animals.

Gaming is more popular now than it ever has been as well Manta. Back in 1993 is was not, but Marlin Manson also got blamed for the Columbine shooting as well. You know since people cant accept their kids have mental issues and they failed at parenting.

It is still a people problem. It's all just trying to find an excuse so we can still have the notion we are more than animals at base level, and some of us are fucked up from the get go or from our environment.

Your logic has no legs to stand on, because it's not the music that's the issue, it's not the games that are the issue. Again, for the last time I am going to say it,
it's a people problem.
The issue is much deeper that what medium they associate with.

(Ps you're just going to have to deal with the spelling and grammar errors. I'm on mobile and I can't be bothered to fix it.)
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Reply #8 - 10/01/19 at 23:14:41
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the Colombine shooters recreate their own school in Doom? That might have been something that came around after the fact, but I was under the impression this was an example of how thought out their crimes were.

And yeah, Pearl Jam did inspire someone to kill themself, just like Kurt Cobain did when he inspired copycat suicides. It doesn't necessarily put the blame on the band or say that we shouldn't have mature themed music just like I'm not saying we shouldn't have mature themed games, but you can't say the two things are not connected because they clearly are. It's a people problem, its a drug problem, it's a gun problem, and it's a game problem. All of these things play a part.

Also, I'm aware gaming is a huge business now but even with that it's not as if everyone under your roof plays. I can't even say 1 in 4 people I know still go to the movies, but we still have billion dollar weekends for blockbusters. I think the pool of people who play games obsessively is small and the people who play them with intentions to act out evil are in an even smaller pool, but they are out there and there is a reason why they act the way that they do.
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Reply #9 - 10/03/19 at 01:48:24
 
They modified a game to live out their sick desires they had because they where mentally unbalanced to begin with. So it's the games fault.

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Please explain to me the connection beside the fact "this guy listened to this song or happened to play this game."

Give me some concrete psychological data that says it is the GAME or SONG that made the person mentally unstable.

YES, people can use video games to live out their SICK fantasies, but the average same human knows, this is fake, this goes against my morals, I would not do this to a real person. Thus it never leaves that fantasy state.

Only a unbalanced individual would prosue a fantasy in reality, which leads it to being. Problem with the persons mental state, not the medium they are interacting with.

Just because someone recreated their school in a game (which already shows the person is fucked up.) To plan and shoot their classmates,
DOES NOT MEAN DOOM INFLUENCED THEM TO DO THE CRIME.


Go study psychology and the human mind for a while then get back to me.
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Reply #10 - 10/03/19 at 06:00:21
 
Your logic has no legs to stand on, because it's not the music that's the issue, it's not the games that are the issue. Again, for the last time I am going to say it, it's a people problem. The issue is much deeper that what medium they associate with. 

God dammit I hate this shit. I'm also very happy this isn't some post on Facebook or other large social media because honestly, that pasted quote is all that really needs to be said. The absolute end of the story. I'm glad it's on this site because I can be 100% with my verbal communication and not mince words. The unfortunate thing (or fortunate depending on where you stand with the issue) is that people today will not move from their perspective of the situation, and will not even see if there is possibly another side to a discussion. Games bad? Can't be anything else. Drugs bad? can't be anything else. Alcohol bad? Nahhhhhhhhhh can't be anything else.

Guns bad? HOLY SHIT FUCK YEA!!!

I'm reminded of when I was young and things that were taught to me that were considered right or wrong. I absolutely fucked up along the way and did wrong shit. I'm human.......so wtf? Do I understand that murder is wrong? Of course. Why? Because your taking a life. Does it matter by what means? Absolutely not. We gonna ban rope cause I strangled someone? We gonna ban bows and arrows cause I sniped someone with it from the woods? Gonna get rid of crowbars cause I strong executed someone with it like the 1st Manhunt game? Or plastic bags?  You want to talk violence in a game? That was one.

Of all the extremely violent video games I have played over the years, and of all the times I have gotten mad at life for whatever reason, I still have not gone out and used ANY form of weapon to end the life of another. Why? because it's a choice I CHOSE not to make. If I ever did, It'd have to be for a damn good reason and not because "I played video games" Not because I listened to "Metal Music"

TBH this argument is really in a vacuum to me. It does piss me off. Adonael has already got bruises on his head from banging it on the table. I think I've said my peace. I honestly wanna get violent though in this post verbally because words can be weapons too dammit. I blame words. 

:::::::EDIT::::::: After sitting back and thinking about it, here is some great examples of how society works with this shit in this modern era. This is the world we live in according to blame other things besides the people who do the bad thing.

I blame Hitler's mass executions on Jews because he contracted an STD from a Jewish prostitute that later left him scarred for life. How dare she?

I blame the people of Asia for Genghis Khan's conquest of it. Ain't nothing like living in a desert to tip someone off the deep end.

I blame the prostitutes who were murdered by Jack The Ripper. How in the fuck could you be so dumb as to hang out in dark ally ways after the 3rd or 4th killings of your fellow sisters? Knowing there is someone out there wanting to gut you? Knife sales were up that year I guess. Prostitute sales were down.

I blame the Jews again for allowing themselves to be used as slaves by the Egyptians. Damn these people need to grow some balls.

I blame the American Indian for fucking living on the continent of North America and getting wiped out as a result. Sorry guys. 

o Hey!!! How about we blame the FDA for Jeffrey Dahmer? Holy shit kids! This guy takes the cake! I mean beef! See......hamburger back then tasted really strange so, he had to go out and get himself some HUMAN FOOD ya know? He failed at trying to be Vegan so.....there really was no alternatives because the FDA didn't give him all the proper food choices he wanted in his diet. Just like the modern "Karen" does. Like OMFG.......why doesn't the government do something to help the poor man? He only wants to have his food choices like, like,like OMG

Thank you and have a good night. I'll be here all week. 

For those that STILL don't have a fucking clue, all that was BEFORE video games and mass shootings. So there's that I guess........  Shocked  Roll Eyes  Huh  Lips Sealed  Cheesy
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Reply #11 - 10/03/19 at 06:55:18
 
I ranted about gun violence on the podcast a few weeks ago, but it's relevant here. People are at fault for any type of violence. They will do whatever they deem necessary to be violent, pending their mental state, if that is their prerogative. End of story.

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Reply #12 - 10/03/19 at 11:03:14
 
I just think it’s funny that because I suggested games have some impact on people and their behavior (because history and events say so) now mother fuckers are writing essays saying things I didn’t even say or suggest. I bet you guys are fun at parties. Too long, didn’t read your one sided argument.
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Reply #13 - 10/03/19 at 17:01:44
 
Manta Ray wrote on 10/03/19 at 11:03:14:
I just think it’s funny that because I suggested games have some impact on people and their behavior (because history and events say so) now mother fuckers are writing essays saying things I didn’t even say or suggest. I bet you guys are fun at parties. Too long, didn’t read your one sided argument.



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Reply #14 - 10/04/19 at 08:01:28
 
I just think it’s funny that because I suggested games have some impact on people and their behavior (because history and events say so) now mother fuckers are writing essays saying things I didn’t even say or suggest. I bet you guys are fun at parties. Too long, didn’t read your one sided argument.

Excellent! Think it's funny? TLDR so sorry but read everything I say and accept my POV though with no counter response? Even when it's a civil one?


The unfortunate thing (or fortunate depending on where you stand with the issue) is that people today will not move from their perspective of the situation, and will not even see if there is possibly another side to a discussion. Games bad? Can't be anything else. Drugs bad? can't be anything else. Alcohol bad? Nahhhhhhhhhh can't be anything else.

Guns bad? HOLY SHIT FUCK YEA!!!

I think the pool of people who play games obsessively is small and the people who play them with intentions to act out evil are in an even smaller pool, but they are out there and there is a reason why they act the way that they do.
Games influence people or no? If so, is it the game or the person committing the act responsible? History and events say so.

Example 1-- Gurg goes and gets meat from Forrest. Burg is hungry. Burg steal Gurg meat. Gurg get mad and beat up Burg.

Example 2-Gurg goes and gets meat from Forrest. Burg is hungry. Burg steal Gurg Meat. Gurg Smash Burg skull with big rock killing him.

Ban the fucking planet because rocks kill.
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