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Has anybody noticed this yet?
09/23/18 at 03:42:47
 
Here's a fun fact that nobody seemed to notice:
So what do we know about Black in TM:B?
He was made to win Twisted Metal and kill Calypso. He never needed or wanted the wish prize at the end, he only wanted to see Calypso dead.
During the last loading screen on Manslaughter's campaign (Right before you fight Warhawk), Black says that he hopes that Calypso runs, because that would be more fun for him. And what does Calypso end up doing during the ending cutscene? Run Away.
Since wanting Calypso to run away was Black's last and only wish during the whole tournament, Calypso used that wish to flee before Black could have a chance to kill him.
Mind. Blown.
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Reply #1 - 03/20/19 at 23:59:54
 
good theory but Black doesn't know how to wish he only knows how to Eat, Crap, and Kill.....

fyi nice copy and pasting lol
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Reply #2 - 03/21/19 at 23:23:01
 
Unrelated, but in TM: Lost it's said that Calypso from the Twisted 2 universe sent Black to destroy the Black universe Calypso. I always imagined it was Simon Whittlebone turned into a cyborg of some sort.
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Reply #3 - 03/22/19 at 00:41:18
 
Sounds kind of twisted to me. Tongue
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Reply #4 - 03/22/19 at 10:20:09
 
Black was originally the source of Calypso's sorcerer-like magic power in the original Twisted Metal game and a demon hell spawn of Mr. Ash's (driver of Darkside) that Calypso stole away.

That was the original canon...

however Black did not re-appear in TM2, and the TM2 comic book that gave Calypso a proper origin also has no mention of Calypso stealing Black or even meeting Mr. Ash in Hell. In the comic, Calypso goes to Hell where Satan is holding a contest like Twisted Metal and Calypso defeats Minion much to Satan's delight, who then makes Calypso the offer to run an Earth version of the contest, all while making Calypso drink a cup of blood from a heart. Presumably the blood Satan made Calypso drink gave Calypso his powers.... thus Black was sort of written out of the story in TM2. Then again if you see Mr. Ash and Satan as the same character, you can imagine Calypso abusing the deal made with Satan/Mr. Ash by stealing away one of his demons in order to make the Twisted Metal contest more enticing.

Then, of course, Twisted Metal 4 further changed things by saying Calypso's source of power was a magic ring. But fuck that.
Also Twisted Metal III returned Darkside (who was absent in TM2 outside of appearing in the intro and one of the menu backgrounds). The manual specifies that it is indeed Mr. Ash. However the dispute between Mr. Ash and Calypso seems to no longer exist, so TM3 similarly ignored the Black plot just like TM2.

So Twisted Metal Black returns Black, fittingly so... who appears different than he did in TM1 (albeit the official version of TM1 does not have an image of Black, so how he looked is a moot point)... and also talks, in a very limited way, whereas he didn't say anything in TM1 and hid in the shadows rather than making his presence known.
He actually does not get a wish by the rules of the contest, as he was not an officially invited participant nor a patient at Blackfield Asylum. He is simply on a mission to kill Calypso thus Calypso running away and leaving explosives for Black is appropriate. If only Calypso thought of that when dealing with Cousin Eddy.
Also, Black mentions that he was made to win the game. That could be kind of a joke from the developers because Manslaughter is one of the best vehicles or a hint that TMB's version of Black is maybe not the original Black from Twisted Metal 1, but a construct, or a clone. Just a thought.

And Black did return for TM-Lost but those stories aren't canon, albeit it is likely Harbor City would have had made mention of the existence of an alternate universe, which had been hinted at with TMB & TM2's Marcus Kane stories.

A lot of those Lost stories do not make sense when you break them down. In the case with Manslaughter/Black - were he the Black from TM1 - then TM1 Calypso would be foolishly sending off his source of power to go to an alternate universe in a risky assassination attempt of TMB Calypso. That doesn't make much sense, and what does he gain from TMB Calypso's death?† And what of TMB Calypso's source of power? Is his all black left eye the source?
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Reply #5 - 03/22/19 at 10:38:43
 
Also, check out Manslaughter's deleted/altered ending (uploaded by Darkscorpius). It is narrated by an unknown character who reveals that Black was indeed made, and sent to kill Calypso in revenge for killing the unknown character's family. The unknown narrator says Black is like a son to him, so it's possible the character speaking is Mr. Ash, although we don't know enough about Mr. Ash in TM1 for that to be conclusive. I'm inclined to believe it is not Mr. Ash however, as he does have a surviving family member in Jimmy Ash (Twisted Metal Small Brawl). Another guess is that it's a Midtown police officer, and Black was created by the police force to take down Calypso ala Grasshopper's TM2 ending where Krista Sparks turns out to be some sort of cyborg replicate, or cybernetic-ally augmented human, that the LAPD planted a bomb in.
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Reply #6 - 03/23/19 at 00:25:12
 
So we're counting Small Brawl as canon but not TM: Lost?

...consider me TM lost. Shocked *rimshot
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Reply #7 - 03/23/19 at 02:32:01
 
Manta Ray wrote on 03/23/19 at 00:25:12:
So we're counting Small Brawl as canon but not TM: Lost?

...consider me TM lost. Shocked *rimshot


TM Lost is definitely non-canon. The game acknowledges itself as incomplete, so there's no debate there, unlike with TMIII which got de-canonized by fans. And it's not to say I didn't like the inclusion of Bios for the drivers in TML, but they weren't very good. I'd rather consider the TMB Webisodes canon over those TML stories.

also, TM Small Brawl, which is a better game than TM Lost, connects to the original lore through Spectre's ending, as it reveals Spectre in TMSB is the son of TM2's Ken Masters. and it's never been said that TMSB wasn't canon, thus it is.

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Reply #8 - 03/29/19 at 03:02:07
 
MoshfieldAsylum wrote on 03/23/19 at 02:32:01:
TM Lost is definitely non-canon. The game acknowledges itself as incomplete, so there's no debate there, unlike with TMIII which got de-canonized by fans. And it's not to say I didn't like the inclusion of Bios for the drivers in TML, but they weren't very good. I'd rather consider the TMB Webisodes canon over those TML stories.

also, TM Small Brawl, which is a better game than TM Lost, connects to the original lore through Spectre's ending, as it reveals Spectre in TMSB is the son of TM2's Ken Masters. and it's never been said that TMSB wasn't canon, thus it is.



Honestly with Twisted Metal canon is a tricky subject.

I'd really like to think of TM:Lost as more of a glimpse into what Harbor City might have been like. However, we have no evidence, or reason to believe, that when ESP ported those five levels (one is hidden on the disk, sadly) they made any effort to base the little story snippets off of what Incognito had planned for Harbor City.  For all we know Jaffe sat down and wrote those in an hour. I enjoyed them too, but I didn't feel they were really thought out or completed ideas.

There are other issues too. Honestly, I hated the continued story as told in TMHO. I didn't like Marcus Kane and Needles Kane being the same person - I thought that was stupid.

So for me, that game was canon breaking.

I guess with the Twisted Metal universe, though, the truth is you never know what is happening. TMX completely redid the whole thing, and half redid it at that.
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Reply #9 - 03/30/19 at 09:32:43
 
MoshfieldAsylum wrote on 03/23/19 at 02:32:01:
...unlike with TMIII which got de-canonized by fans.

Nitpicking here, but Iím pretty sure Twisted Metal III is referenced in Black Rock Stadium. Could possibly be a third or fourth dimension.

MoshfieldAsylum wrote on 03/23/19 at 02:32:01:
also, TM Small Brawl, which is a better game than TM Lost...

Debatable.
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Reply #10 - 03/30/19 at 10:07:55
 
-Kilrahi- wrote on 03/29/19 at 03:02:07:
Honestly with Twisted Metal canon is a tricky subject.

I'd really like to think of TM:Lost as more of a glimpse into what Harbor City might have been like. However, we have no evidence, or reason to believe, that when ESP ported those five levels (one is hidden on the disk, sadly) they made any effort to base the little story snippets off of what Incognito had planned for Harbor City.† For all we know Jaffe sat down and wrote those in an hour. I enjoyed them too, but I didn't feel they were really thought out or completed ideas.

There are other issues too. Honestly, I hated the continued story as told in TMHO. I didn't like Marcus Kane and Needles Kane being the same person - I thought that was stupid.

So for me, that game was canon breaking.

I guess with the Twisted Metal universe, though, the truth is you never know what is happening. TMX completely redid the whole thing, and half redid it at that.


It's true, the canon is tricky and I agree Head-On is perhaps most guilty because they didn't learn from 989's failed sequels.

Somehow Head-On makes TM3 look like it did a decent job in storytelling even though TM3 just repeats TM2's general story, even copying the idea of starting the tournament in a ravaged LA & bringing back Calypso's blimp. 989 didn't really mess with the lore in TM3, yet with TM4 they re-did everything and the only returning characters were Sweet Tooth, Calypso, and Grimm yet they were all re-imagined radically.

But Head-On did not take advantage of 989's mistakes. It's not a great sequel to TM2 either. Calypso and Sweet Tooth do not retain their classic looks but resemble their TM Black counterparts. The roster of Head-On has pretty much all the TM2 vehicles returning plus Crimson Fury, except Minion, and a couple new additions. As much as I love TM2, I think that was kind of a dumb way to go. Head-On is sort of like Twisted Metal 3 by essentially just trying to re-create TM2 rather than give it a proper follow-up, except Head-On adds the whole twist about Marcus Kane and Needles Kane being the same person, which makes things all the more confusing, especially because Marcus Kane isn't even in the first game.

Twisted Metal 2012 is the biggest offender though when it comes to the story. It gets farther away from the classic story as possible, maybe even more than TM4 did.
If you dig deep into the story of TMX you know that Calypso is the Devil, and the reality perceived by everyone is an illusion, and they are in Hell playing Calypso's cruel, sadistic contest for a wish that will never have a positive outcome, and anyone (Preacher) who sees through the illusion is locked away in Hell's version of Blackfield Asylum.
TMX is perhaps an alternate universe of some kind where Calypso managed to usurp power from Satan and ditched doing Twisted Metal on Earth for doing Twisted Metal in Hell (diguised as Earth), and Calypso, proud of his past achievements, kept trophies from past games, even breaking the 4th wall to use Playstation games as trophies.

It's unfortunate Twisted Metal's lore is all over the place. It could have been better and rivaled other video game universes like Mortal Kombat. I mean Mortal Kombat has had its story issues, but nothing as confusing as Twisted Metal.

All that I feel certain is canon in TM is TM1 and TM2 with Black and Small Brawl being semi-canon. What I take out of Small Brawl is that Ken Masters did indeed die in TM2 leaving behind a son and vehicle, and TMB really just offers insight to Sweet Tooth's perspective and mind.

I almost want to include Head-On as semi-canon but the writing wasn't particularly good.
Calypso summoning Krista Sparks to enter Twisted Metal and then getting sad for having to twist her wish was a bit of forced unnecessary drama. Krista wishes that the car accident that killed her and her mom never happened, yet the TM2 tie-in comic book showed that Krista's mom died from getting hit by a bouncing wheel at a demolition derby Calypso was participating in... shortly after that happened Calypso was haunted by her and he killed himself and Krista by driving straight into a wall with Krista in the backseat. I much prefer that version of the story.
Also, a lot of the returning characters have stories that only work if they/or their twin counterpart in Twister's case won TM2... Twister, Mr. Slam, Outlaw have stories that follow their previous endings, yet they couldn't have all won.†
I think I would have preferred Head On to have less returning vehicles and more original characters. Twisted Metal 2 added Shadow, Axel, Twister, Mr. Slam, Grasshopper, and Dark Tooth... and Head-On only adds a mid boss Cousin Eddy, a joke character in ATV, and the final boss Tower Tooth lol.
TM Lost was similarly disappointing with only offering 12-Pak and Gold Tooth as additions, while returning all the TMB vehicles with modified (for the worse) specials, except Minion who must have died in the fictional plane crash that killed the TMB2 team. I kind of wonder if any of the TMB vehicles actually would have been cut from Harbor City. That's another reason why I don't take the TM Lost stories seriously even though they offer a glimpse of what could have been... who knows what that roster of vehicles would have been

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