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Reply #15 - 05/03/18 at 07:53:15
 
What are you even talking about? He wasn't booted. He entered a 3v3 lobby and I chatted with him via in-game chat for about ten minutes, after which we asked him to choose Sweet Bot and fly to a roof to spectate a match since others were waiting and the match would have been unbalanced if he played.

Following that match concluded he left saying he'd be back later, and I assume he joined another lobby that was up for a short bit with lower-skilled players (at least I assume that lobby was still up since I had been at the lobby browser twenty minutes before then).

After one more match our lobby parted for the night, then him and I chatted for half an hour or so afterwards and I have offered to help train him myself so he could have a chance at holding his own in competitive lobbies. Outside of disbanding our lobby the moment he came in, it really couldn't have been more accommodating.

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Reply #16 - 05/03/18 at 09:42:06
 
You know damn well what I'm talking about. Your "high skill" rooms boot people that aren't known or are deemed noobs. In your defense, maybe its not you personally doing it but it is your "high skill" clique of players. I personally haven't been on the server in years. However when I was any time I joined the "high skill" I was kicked and seen other people kicked almost immediately. Besides that I've seen various posts on TMA over the years about it and have heard from more TMA people that it was a common occurrence.

Based on that I figured he was kicked when I seen your response about the room not being "very accommodating". How nice of you guys to let him spectate from the rooftops. Is there just not many people playing these days? Were you only at 7 because other people got booted already or do other people know not to bother joining the "high skill" rooms? Either way its a shame that TM 2012 doesn't have enough depth to allow you guys to do a 3v4. funny enough you always argue when I or anyone said TMBO/TM2PC had more depth.
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Reply #17 - 05/03/18 at 11:04:32
 
The Truth wrote on 05/03/18 at 09:42:06:
You know damn well what I'm talking about. Your "high skill" rooms boot people that aren't known or are deemed noobs. In your defense, maybe its not you personally doing it but it is your "high skill" clique of players. I personally haven't been on the server in years. However when I was any time I joined the "high skill" I was kicked and seen other people kicked almost immediately. Besides that I've seen various posts on TMA over the years about it and have heard from more TMA people that it was a common occurrence.

Based on that I figured he was kicked when I seen your response about the room not being "very accommodating". How nice of you guys to let him spectate from the rooftops. Is there just not many people playing these days? Were you only at 7 because other people got booted already or do other people know not to bother joining the "high skill" rooms? Either way its a shame that TM 2012 doesn't have enough depth to allow you guys to do a 3v4. funny enough you always argue when I or anyone said TMBO/TM2PC had more depth.


To be fair, Truth, that game is so cheezy that you probably can't legitimitaly do a 3 vs 4, 2 vs 1, etc.
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Reply #18 - 05/03/18 at 11:14:38
 
I can't speak for the whole community, especially since there's a language barrier where a portion of players primarily speak Spanish and have a limited grasp of English. Nonetheless, the general consensus is that people who do get booted are those who don't communicate, don't understand/care about the rules we play by and/or are at such a low skill level that there's no practical way to balance teams around them. You can have uneven numbers of players on teams no problem, the issue of balance purely has to do with skill.

It's called high-skill for a reason. When you have players who have just picked up the game, it either massively unbalances the game because they become an easy kill/killstreak fodder, or (what I do if they're on the opposing team) they just get avoided since picking on newbs is a bore. It isn't fun for anyone, and neither getting slaughtered nor ignored helps introduce a new player to the game. Players like myself and others in our own clan reach out to those who want to learn the game. If someone doesn't communicate and doesn't know what they're getting into, there's not much I can do.

Link me posts of the slews of people from TMA complaining about being booted in recent years if it's such an issue. Considering you prove you have such a poor understanding of the game and show no inclination to learn (plus you still won't even disclose who you are, as if you're embarrassed of it) I'm not at all surprised you were booted back then. Plus I don't see how you could be seeing others being kicked if you were supposedly getting booted immediately. Roll Eyes
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Reply #19 - 05/03/18 at 11:35:35
 
Muddeh wrote on 05/03/18 at 11:14:38:
I can't speak for the whole community, especially since there's a language barrier where a portion of players primarily speak Spanish and have a limited grasp of English. Nonetheless, the general consensus is that people who do get booted are those who don't communicate, don't understand/care about the rules we play by and/or are at such a low skill level that there's no practical way to balance teams around them. You can have uneven numbers of players on teams no problem, the issue of balance purely has to do with skill.

It's called high-skill for a reason. When you have players who have just picked up the game, it either massively unbalances the game because they become an easy kill/killstreak fodder, or (what I do if they're on the opposing team) they just get avoided since picking on newbs is a bore. It isn't fun for anyone, and neither getting slaughtered nor ignored helps introduce a new player to the game. Players like myself and others in our own clan reach out to those who want to learn the game. If someone doesn't communicate and doesn't know what they're getting into, there's not much I can do.

Link me posts of the slews of people from TMA complaining about being booted in recent years if it's such an issue. Considering you prove you have such a poor understanding of the game and show no inclination to learn (plus you still won't even disclose who you are, as if you're embarrassed of it) I'm not at all surprised you were booted back then. Plus I don't see how you could be seeing others being kicked if you were supposedly getting booted immediately. Roll Eyes


I think the disconnect is this: In TMBO we happily played with newbs and balanced it just fine.  We had no reason to kick people as the depth allows us to balance perfectly.

Wether or not there are posts is irrelevant.  You admitted you boot people.  That's dickish. I fully believe you that your game forces you to be dickish.  It's still diskish.  I get that a lot of people are dicks on this planet so you shouldn't feel like we're singling you out as the only one who is being dickish, and again, a lot of the blame is the game.
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Reply #20 - 05/03/18 at 12:13:16
 
Alright so you can't take a chance of having a noob in the room because some of the best players are pansies and will focus the noobs. Fair enough, I don't fault you for kicking people then or making people fly to the rooftops and watch.
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Reply #21 - 05/03/18 at 12:24:10
 
I once brought someone who said was interested in getting better at the game to my clan's attention for training. Although he ended up making it difficult because he kept complaining about how difficult it was to learn and wasn't listening to instructions. The clan gave up on him and all he really wants to do is remain a casual and play the single player. Some people aren't worth helping because they won't listen.
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Reply #22 - 05/03/18 at 12:41:18
 
Luis wrote on 05/03/18 at 12:24:10:
I once brought someone who said was interested in getting better at the game to my clan's attention for training. Although he ended up making it difficult because he kept complaining about how difficult it was to learn and wasn't listening to instructions. The clan gave up on him and all he really wants to do is remain a casual and play the single player. Some people aren't worth helping because they won't listen.


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Reply #23 - 05/03/18 at 13:05:49
 
Um that really wasn't our fault. He literally made it impossible for the clan to help him because he didn't want to cooperate. Then he never came back because in reality he was just a single player TM guy who didn't know what he was getting himself into. I thought he really wanted to get better but I was wrong.
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Reply #24 - 05/03/18 at 13:35:19
 
Malefactor wrote on 05/03/18 at 11:35:35:
I think the disconnect is this: In TMBO we happily played with newbs and balanced it just fine.  We had no reason to kick people as the depth allows us to balance perfectly.

Well obviously, if someone connects to the revival server they'll most likely have gone through TMA to set up, and are in the loop if they connect when others come on to play. On the flip side, if a random player joined a TMBO TLMS and ignored there being teams, picked up health and didn't play within the rules, it would not be appreciated. If they didn't communicate and continued that pattern, it surely would lead to that player not being welcome in those types of lobbies anymore. In correspondence to what you're saying of TM 2012, you're saying that the TMBO vets would be dicks in this scenario and not the one who's not playing within the rules?

Whatever you're trying to argue about depth makes zero sense either. You've claimed over and over that a veteran can dominate novices in TMBO and that a novice could quickly learn to compete with a veteran since you say TM 2012 is 'dumbed down'. Yet you now say it's easy to balance veterans with newbs in TMBO and that the reason newbs are kicked from TM 2012 is because of depth? That's completely ass backwards. If someone only wants to screw around or play as a casual, there's other rooms to accomodate them. There's enough novice players that still play the game that they don't need to play in our lobbies.

If it weren't for the competitive nature of the game, I wouldn't still be playing it. What you're suggesting is like taking a couple semi-pro sports teams, swapping out a portion of their rosters with people who have never played the game before, and suggesting the game would be just as intense. It obviously wouldn't be because those players slow down the pace, kill the intensity and are only a detriment to the team. They can play with players of their own skill level while we play with players of our own skill level. If they want to improve, we welcome helping them outside of those lobbies. If they don't, then they can get enjoyment out of the game in their own way without interfering with us. There's nothing dickish about it.
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Reply #25 - 05/03/18 at 14:26:15
 
You'd be surprised. We get unknown peeps who can't chat.

Also, booting people is the definition of dickish. I didn't make the rules on what mean is, but it's easy to call it.
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Reply #26 - 05/03/18 at 17:47:43
 
I don't know why you are going on about people not chatting/following the rules. You guys have no idea how good someone is or if they are going to follow the rules when you just boot them within 20 seconds or just let them spectate from the rooftops. Basically not even giving them a chance. Which is completely retarded to do. They are not worthy of playing against better players. Apparently they got to kiss Yoda's ass to get the "training" before they are able to be considered of getting in a game.

It really doesn't matter though. If you guys want to chase away potentially good players then that is up to you. Much better to let people play with the best to potentially turn into good players and keeping the game more alive/active. Like you said though if some "high skill" players are just going to focus on the lesser skilled then probably better to boot then. Fortunately in TMBO original server days and even now the better players let everyone have a chance and didn't do lame shit like focusing on noobs in games.
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Reply #27 - 05/03/18 at 20:05:10
 
I dunno I thought they were friendly enough. I can't expect to be MIA for 5 years and immediately receive that royal treatment while playing under a new screen name no one has ever heard of before.


What maps do you guys normally play? I'll use challenge mode to relearn the common maps. Also is it frowned upon to use Shadow or should I be practicing him? It's interesting that Shadow is considered a top tier vehicle in all three online Twisted Metals Tongue. I guess TMX means that he steals Axel's crown.


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Reply #28 - 05/03/18 at 21:58:31
 
If someone hasn't even played online they'll have a N/A skill rating, and 99.9% of the time those with N/A skill ratings will be random accounts that are completely new. Depending on the night there could be as many as a dozen of these accounts that join one of our lobbies. If they're among the 0.1% who happened to just come back after a long hiatus and are on an alt account, they have time to announce it in the chat. There's no guessing of how good an unknown player is, it's clear as day by that rating if they have experience playing or not.

So if random newbs entered your TMBO competitive TDM/TLMS lobbies and didn't play by the rules, you'd go along with it as if it didn't take away from the game then? I think not. If you're playing FFA stuff, then sure. Newbs don't unbalance that and can be avoided. The vast majority of games were played FFA in the original server days since TMBO lacks team settings, and it's surely rare if ever that randoms enter lobbies dedicated to team gmes in current TMBO so that's an entirely moot point. We almost never play FFA in high-skill lobbies in TM 2012. Team modes is where a lot of the series' depth is, as you should know.

Whether they get slaughtered or ignored, high-skill rooms are not a setting where players should be introduced to the game. Again, I can't speak for the whole community but I personally do sandbag against weaker players who are competent enough to play in our rooms, but are still developing. However, the game has such a massive learning curve that to dial things down without losing all intensity in the game, players need to at least have a solid foundation in terms of how to play which they can develop in other lobbies, or with some help from us.
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Reply #29 - 05/03/18 at 21:59:21
 
Rab1d wrote on 05/03/18 at 20:05:10:
What maps do you guys normally play? I'll use challenge mode to relearn the common maps. Also is it frowned upon to use Shadow or should I be practicing him? It's interesting that Shadow is considered a top tier vehicle in all three online Twisted Metals Tongue. I guess TMX means that he steals Axel's crown.

The maps we choose usually just reflects the size of the lobby. Just S maps for 2v2 (aside from a few I'll mention below), S maps some M maps work for 3v3, more M maps and some L maps for 4v4, and we'll mostly use L maps for 5v5 and up. We never use the XL maps, and we don't ever choose Dead Man's Crossing (terrible linear map) or Factory Feud (too big and too much health). Ghost Town Gulch, Vertigo and Brewery Battle are probably the most common maps since they work well even for 2v2. If you're practicing offline, be careful that some of the pickup locations differ from where they're located online. They're not too dissimilar though.

Definitely feel free to play Shadow, it's definitely not frowned upon for newer players. It's really not grossly overpowered in reality. It can just be seen as a bit tryhard if the best of the best players choose it. Even though it's definitely the top vehicle, it does have a pretty steep learning curve to it. It's one of the hardest specials in the game to consistently land for high damage, but obviously well worth learning. The vehicles with the shallowest learning curves are mostly Vermin, Sweet Tooth and Meat Wagon.
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