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Re: Twisted Metal 1 and/or 2 remaster speculation
Reply #30 - 02/15/18 at 21:18:50
 
Twisted Metal III has 3 original songs by Lance Lenhart (of Lionhart Productions), who was 1 of the 3 members of The Pinnacle Group, thus those songs are often attributed to them instead of specifically Lance. The songs are "Song 1" (London's music), "Valley of the Kings" (Egypt's music), and the untitled TM3 main menu theme which has a part that is variation of the classic twisted metal guitar theme.

As for Twisted Metal 2012's original soundtrack, there is only one song with Pinnacle Group stuff... the song is named "Carmageddon" (like that other game...), which features 2 Pinnacle guys, Chuck E. Myers and Tommy Hopkins, along w/ 2 other guys. There is also a variation of the classic TM theme in this song.

Other good TMX songs are the songs with Larry LaLonde (guitarist of Primus) who does the menu theme music, "Deathwish", "Shotgunner", and "Roadkill". And the Buckethead song "Ready to Die" is also worth listening to (although that song technically is an old song of his named "Peak (Kind Regards)" that was remade for TMX's soundtrack).
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Reply #31 - 02/15/18 at 22:21:34
 
MoshfieldAsylum wrote on 02/15/18 at 21:18:50:
...Larry LaLonde (guitarist of Primus) who does the menu theme music...

That explains a lot. Love me some Primus.
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Reply #32 - 02/16/18 at 00:15:04
 
Ripzsaur wrote on 02/15/18 at 22:21:34:
That explains a lot. Love me some Primus.


Yeah, Primus rules. Larry's style with Primus isn't very metal though, so his TMX songs might surprise some who do not know Larry's origins. He was the guitarist in an 80s metal band called Possessed & Possessed is considered to be the first death metal band with "Seven Churches" being their notable album featuring a song called "Death Metal". Afterwards he joined a thrash metal band called Blind Illusion and played on their debut 1988 album that also featured Les Claypool on bass and was produced by Kirk Hammett (of Metallica). Not long after that Les left to reform Primus and invited Larry to join and since then he had not done much straight up metal so his presence on TMX as a metal guitarist is probably the coolest thing about the game.
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Reply #33 - 02/16/18 at 05:04:43
 
MoshfieldAsylum wrote on 02/16/18 at 00:15:04:
Yeah, Primus rules. Larry's style with Primus isn't very metal though, so his TMX songs might surprise some who do not know Larry's origins. He was the guitarist in an 80s metal band called Possessed & Possessed is considered to be the first death metal band with "Seven Churches" being their notable album featuring a song called "Death Metal". Afterwards he joined a thrash metal band called Blind Illusion and played on their debut 1988 album that also featured Les Claypool on bass and was produced by Kirk Hammett (of Metallica). Not long after that Les left to reform Primus and invited Larry to join and since then he had not done much straight up metal so his presence on TMX as a metal guitarist is probably the coolest thing about the game.


A few years ago, he rejoined Possessed.  They toured and got some more acclaim.  I dunno if they are still touring, though.  I believe they were the headline of Deathfest about 2 years ago.
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Reply #34 - 02/17/18 at 00:40:05
 
MoshfieldAsylum wrote on 02/17/18 at 14:13:19:
If Sony is going in the direction of remastering a classic TM game I don't think they should limit it to TM2 alone. The Crash Bandicoot remaster succeeds not only in the nostalgic level, but in being 3 games in 1. Would you rather buy say, a 20 dollar TM2 remaster, or buy a 40 dollar remaster with 3 remastered TM titles? I think a collection would work best but then you have to ask yourself what are the other games... me personally I think I would go with TM1, TM2 (with a TM2 PC style multiplayer), and TM Black Online (since the story version is already available on PSN). A multiplayer-centric collection would be amazing... TM1 would be something that could appeal to fans of 1 vs 1 and fighting games who find TM2/Black's online too chaotic.
I also think a remastered version of TM Small Brawl would be pretty cool. The game's biggest flaw was graphics, so technically that game could benefit the most from being redone.
Then there's TM3&4. I don't think there is enough demand in those being remastered. They weren't even† ps1 classics for PS3, but another potential strategy for Sony is to release a full priced 50-60 dollar game that had all 5 PS1 Twisted Metal games. They could also do the opposite and focus on TM Black, Head-On, and TM 2012 getting the remastered treatment and release that as a full priced game, but eh, that would be dumb.
There's a lot of ways they can go with a remaster but to me a multiplayer-centric collection with TM1, TM2, and TMBO would be the smartest move... it'd attract new fans to the series.


The online multiplayer component is what really throws the comparison to the Crash HD remaster off balance. If You were to do a TM1-TM2-TMB package it would be insanely expensive to make all 3 games online and it would split the audience.

Keep it simple and have a TM2 HD remaster with a good solid online component. Maybe you could do a non-online TM1 HD remaster included and get the price to around 30$ adding more content softens the blow of a bit higher price tag?

If I were Sony and approaching this I would think that TM2 HD with a good online structure for around 20$ is the way to go. TM2 is the most popular game in the series sales wise and is a lot of fans favorites critically. So focus on trying to recapture that and I think you have something that could restart the series.
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Reply #35 - 02/17/18 at 00:58:18
 
I was one of those people begging for a Medievil remaster, cause it was literally my first video game ever! Got it on the ps1 demo disk, and then played the hell out of it later down the line. My second game ever...Twisted metal 2! lol didn't even know there was a first one at the time. I will now direct all my efforts toward begging Sony for a TM 2HD remaster...and small brawl, since that is my second favorite probably.
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Reply #36 - 02/17/18 at 11:43:41
 
tmfan89 wrote on 02/17/18 at 00:40:05:
The online multiplayer component is what really throws the comparison to the Crash HD remaster off balance. If You were to do a TM1-TM2-TMB package it would be insanely expensive to make all 3 games online and it would split the audience.

Keep it simple and have a TM2 HD remaster with a good solid online component. Maybe you could do a non-online TM1 HD remaster included and get the price to around 30$ adding more content softens the blow of a bit higher price tag?

If I were Sony and approaching this I would think that TM2 HD with a good online structure for around 20$ is the way to go. TM2 is the most popular game in the series sales wise and is a lot of fans favorites critically. So focus on trying to recapture that and I think you have something that could restart the series.


TM1 just has a 1vs1 mode with small maps, it wouldn't be much of a problem if included.

As for TM2, who knows what Sony would do there... would they keep multiplayer limited to co-op tournament and 1vs1 DM? or would they go with TM2 PC's multiplayer model?
If TM2's remaster were limited to 2 player co-op & DM then TMBO would be necessary.
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Reply #37 - 02/19/18 at 03:21:26
 
MoshfieldAsylum wrote on 02/17/18 at 11:43:41:
TM1 just has a 1vs1 mode with small maps, it wouldn't be much of a problem if included.

As for TM2, who knows what Sony would do there... would they keep multiplayer limited to co-op tournament and 1vs1 DM? or would they go with TM2 PC's multiplayer model?
If TM2's remaster were limited to 2 player co-op & DM then TMBO would be necessary.


If I am looking at this from Sony's perspective nostalgia for the PS1 is at or close to the highest, it is ever going to get. TM2 is one of the most popular PS1 games and certainly one of the most popular In-house Sony titles that has yet to get a remaster.

TM2 is the 49th highest selling PS1 game and the only first party Sony titles that are ahead of it sales wise are the Crash games (which have already been remastered), The Spyro Games (Which are getting a remaster), and Gran Turismo 1 and 2.

Gran Turismo just had an installment on the PS4 so I am not sure they want to dip into a remaster of the first two games as it could undercut sales of a new release.

So to me TM2 HD could be the most logical choice for a remaster. 1- Sony owns the game and the IP, 2- It's a game that did good sales wise, 3- It's would not be an expensive game to remake as it is a fairly simple game.
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Reply #38 - 02/19/18 at 03:28:20
 
MoshfieldAsylum wrote on 02/17/18 at 11:43:41:
TM1 just has a 1vs1 mode with small maps, it wouldn't be much of a problem if included.

As for TM2, who knows what Sony would do there... would they keep multiplayer limited to co-op tournament and 1vs1 DM? or would they go with TM2 PC's multiplayer model?
If TM2's remaster were limited to 2 player co-op & DM then TMBO would be necessary.


I fully agree that online for a TM2 HD is a must. 20$ for a TM2 HD remaster with online would be a great sweet spot. Maybe if you did TM1 HD with no online as a combo for 30$ that could be doable since you aren't splitting the online communities.

As far as what modes you would include in a TM2 HD online I think you keep it very simple. 1 vs. 1, 4 player deathmatch, online story mode co-op, and if possible 8 player deathmatch. And you can set deathmatches to be either done by lives or timer (most kills in a given period of time.) Nothing fancy just deliver the basics in a streamlined way.

But I think you can only have 1 online game if you are doing TM remasters. For starters you don't want to split the community. Secondly that's 2 servers you have to put up and that's a lot of added cost.

I do honestly think that what could be killing a TM2 HD remaster is the online component that would be needed. That just might be too expensive or risky to develop.

If that were the case then maybe you are right and Sony should do TMBO polished up HD with a bonus of TM2 HD and TM1 HD non-online for 40$.
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Reply #39 - 02/19/18 at 03:39:40
 
MoshfieldAsylum wrote on 02/17/18 at 11:43:41:
TM1 just has a 1vs1 mode with small maps, it wouldn't be much of a problem if included.

As for TM2, who knows what Sony would do there... would they keep multiplayer limited to co-op tournament and 1vs1 DM? or would they go with TM2 PC's multiplayer model?
If TM2's remaster were limited to 2 player co-op & DM then TMBO would be necessary.

When I was reading this, I thought of a kinda cool concept for an online mode. It would only work with a lot of players in the player base though.

However, it would be a really fun concept to have an online tournament mode where to advance you have to place in the top 4 of each match, then the match would get consolidated. Last man standing type deal, 3 lives... I.e. make it just like single-player tournament. After you lose all three lives, you can leave the match if you desire or watch the rest of it.
The top 4 from that match get paired with the top four from another match. That pattern continues up to the last level where the 8 players fight and whoever lasts the longest wins, earning XP based on your position.

I'm sure some tweaks could be made to make it easier to do the concept with a lower player-base but as an initial idea it would be cool.

In general, I think TM2 is the only real plausible argument here.

It could be remade with relative ease as it's only 8 environments (excluding the hidden levels) and a few handful of car models as opposed to a sprawling open-world or dozens of smaller levels with varying assets. A simple online deathmatch/LMS/1v1 (option to fight a randomly selected opponent, like a fighting game)/co-op system would be sufficient. Hell, you wouldn't even have to code the co-op into the network environment if they wanted to be lazy. They could just utilize the Playstation Share Play (albeit would be a split screen, so points deducted there). At least the beauty of the Share Play option is if the new TM2 servers ever went down, you can still play online co-op. Slap a $20 price tag on it, sell a few hundred thousand downloads, make a cool two million after production costs. Make Darkside and Dark Tooth playable characters in TM2, sell a DLC pack for Twisted Metal 1 Cars/Maps at $10 with, make another million or so.
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Reply #40 - 02/19/18 at 06:58:59
 
Ripzsaur wrote on 02/19/18 at 03:39:40:
When I was reading this, I thought of a kinda cool concept for an online mode. It would only work with a lot of players in the player base though.

However, it would be a really fun concept to have an online tournament mode where to advance you have to place in the top 4 of each match, then the match would get consolidated. Last man standing type deal, 3 lives... I.e. make it just like single-player tournament. After you lose all three lives, you can leave the match if you desire or watch the rest of it.
The top 4 from that match get paired with the top four from another match. That pattern continues up to the last level where the 8 players fight and whoever lasts the longest wins, earning XP based on your position.

I'm sure some tweaks could be made to make it easier to do the concept with a lower player-base but as an initial idea it would be cool.

In general, I think TM2 is the only real plausible argument here.

It could be remade with relative ease as it's only 8 environments (excluding the hidden levels) and a few handful of car models as opposed to a sprawling open-world or dozens of smaller levels with varying assets. A simple online deathmatch/LMS/1v1 (option to fight a randomly selected opponent, like a fighting game)/co-op system would be sufficient. Hell, you wouldn't even have to code the co-op into the network environment if they wanted to be lazy. They could just utilize the Playstation Share Play (albeit would be a split screen, so points deducted there). At least the beauty of the Share Play option is if the new TM2 servers ever went down, you can still play online co-op. Slap a $20 price tag on it, sell a few hundred thousand downloads, make a cool two million after production costs. Make Darkside and Dark Tooth playable characters in TM2, sell a DLC pack for Twisted Metal 1 Cars/Maps at $10 with, make another million or so.


One possible issue is do they still have the source code from Twisted Metal 2? I remember hearing back a few years after Twisted Metal Head On came out that they originally wanted to build off of the source code from TM2 but the source code has been lost. I could be misremembering this so I could be wrong, I hope that isn't the case.

But I wouldn't count on online features that are anything basic. Although I certainly do like the idea of a tiered tournament mode with 4 player battles, winner goes to the next round.

Just give me up to 4-8 players for deathmatches and give some decent customization options for the structure of death matches (timed battles, stock lives, damage done maybe.) For a 20$ remake with online play I don't expect there to be robust online but a functional online that is balanced with decent basic options would be fantastic.

I also wouldn't expect DLC unless the game is massively successful (In which case Darkside and Yello Jacket plus some TM1 maps would be a great addition.)

I think there is money to make on an affordable remake. It's not a complicated game and there is a big following for that game, toss in a lot of PS1 nostalgia going on and a Twisted Metal fan can only hope.
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Reply #41 - 02/19/18 at 09:31:31
 
tmfan89 wrote on 02/19/18 at 06:58:59:
One possible issue is do they still have the source code from Twisted Metal 2? I remember hearing back a few years after Twisted Metal Head On came out that they originally wanted to build off of the source code from TM2 but the source code has been lost. I could be misremembering this so I could be wrong, I hope that isn't the case.

But I wouldn't count on online features that are anything basic. Although I certainly do like the idea of a tiered tournament mode with 4 player battles, winner goes to the next round.

Just give me up to 4-8 players for deathmatches and give some decent customization options for the structure of death matches (timed battles, stock lives, damage done maybe.) For a 20$ remake with online play I don't expect there to be robust online but a functional online that is balanced with decent basic options would be fantastic.

I also wouldn't expect DLC unless the game is massively successful (In which case Darkside and Yello Jacket plus some TM1 maps would be a great addition.)

I think there is money to make on an affordable remake. It's not a complicated game and there is a big following for that game, toss in a lot of PS1 nostalgia going on and a Twisted Metal fan can only hope.†

Iím fairly certain they donít have the source code. Iíve been operating under the assumption they donít.
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Reply #42 - 02/19/18 at 10:24:11
 
Even if the source code still existed I wonder what kind of licensing issues it would have. Even open-source projects have licenses.
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Reply #43 - 02/19/18 at 10:57:25
 
Sorce code for a lot of singletrac originals were lost. Jet moto, twisted and warhawk being among them.
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Reply #44 - 02/19/18 at 20:03:04
 
I still don't see how TM1 having online would split the community. TM1 fans are TM2 fans anyway, and World Tour's online wouldn't be hurt because it'd remain the more popular option among that group of fans. For every 80 players playing TM2 there would be 20 players playing TM1 at most.
Without online TM1's return would be pointless since it's multiplayer would go to waste. the only thing they could do to make an offline TM1 interesting would be to redo the text endings to match TM2's comic book style of endings. and to add a challenge mode.

TMBO and TM2's online modes existing at the same time on PS4, that'd split the community most likely. It is not easy deciding which is the better option because each have their own merits and it would be hard to give each equal time. An argument can also be made that TM4 & Head-On might steal away TM2/B players a situation where those games had online multiplayer too, although those games returning is not happening, as are the chances for Small Brawl, TMIII, & TMX. Sony already decided that TM1, 2, and Black are the only games they can make any money on, although I don't think they are necessarily right. They could also try and do like the Marvel Ultimate Alliance 1&2 remasters -- release a bundle of a couple remasters that you could buy individually rather than as a bundle... for example, have a TM1+2 Remaster for about 30 dollars & a TMB+TMBO Remaster also for around that price, & you could buy them individually to save money or buy them as a slightly discounted bundle. That way people have the option of saving money and picking their chosen poison since not everyone who loved TM1/2 necessarily loved TMB/TMBO (just like how not everyone who loved Ultimate Alliance 1 loved Ultimate Alliance 2). And if one happened to be more successful than the other... then it could influence the direction that the series goes in the future.
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