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Reply #15 - 02/18/18 at 15:30:04
 
Ripzsaur wrote on 02/18/18 at 13:11:15:
I'm gonna have to disagree with that.
In my area, all of my friends who had heard of the game were always fans of 3 and 4. I'm in that 19-25 area, so most of us grew up when TM3 and 4 were all over the stores for a low price. As a matter of fact, it wasn't until I found TMA that I even knew there was a disdain for TM3 and 4. The reviews don't lie, it wasn't reviewed well either. However, I think nostalgia is powerful, and would definitely sell these games. I'm not sure why they weren't on PS Classics. Buuuuut, I could just have no scope of the world and just be talking about my immediate area.

I think what they should do is what the Crash Trilogy did but break it up at the same time, like what they did with some of the PS2 HD Collections. Remaster all of the PS1 TM games and then release them all in a collection for $60. Then, offer each game for $15 a piece instead in addition to the bundle. That way,
new consumers could buy just one game, nostalgia would sell multiple different games and the hardcore fans would buy all five of them. If somebody buys one and likes it, they would likely buy all five of the games sometime in the future.

If it was marketed well, the commercial would be a really cool animated segment going through the different games, transitioning between them seamlessly starting with TM1. Then maybe TM1 Crimson would land in TM2 Paris and get blown up by Mr. Slam, who would fall into L.A. Ruins from TM3 and so on until a car is blown up at the end where a little kid watches the car skid on its side to a stop. The kid was standing on a street in his neighborhood driving a RC car and it shows him start to get an idea. End it with the screen fading to black while the TM HD Collection Logo is shot out of the screen with bullet holes and an explosion reveals it. Instant nostalgia and intrigue from new buyers.

I think it would be absolutely huge.

But I'd be okay with just TM2 and Small Brawl from the PS1 remastered with really tight game engines.


Well, for the reason they weren't PS3 PSOne Classics makes it hard for me to really know how popular TM3/4 are from a nostalgic standpoint, since ultimately it is Sony's decision not the fans/TMA's if those games will ever make it to the PSN store. Technically those games sold well enough to qualify as classics but Sony has never showed interest in bringing them into the store. I don't think the anti-989 fans would care if they were remastered in a collection. TM4's multiplayer was actually pretty fun with the multiplayer-only maps, so I could see people playing TM4 online. But yeah, a full priced remaster of all 5 PS1 Twisted Metal games works because it's a big nostalgic trip into the past and it's a great value. They could also throw extras into that package, like include the old, funny Twisted Metal commercials, and the limited Twisted Metal 2 comic book.
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Reply #16 - 02/20/18 at 15:30:33
 
Sony has to get the Rob Zombie license again.
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Reply #17 - 02/20/18 at 22:12:56
 
If Sony is going o do it. I think TM 1 through Small Brawl would be the best choice, but the same with Crash, it should have to be a remake more than a remaster. Make one engine that plays as close as TM2 (or Black) as possible, and use it for all five games, cause I can see reviewers and new players crapping all over TM3 physics.
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Reply #18 - 02/20/18 at 22:54:41
 
Richard -Dick- Biggs wrote on 02/20/18 at 22:12:56:
If Sony is going o do it. I think TM 1 through Small Brawl would be the best choice, but the same with Crash, it should have to be a remake more than a remaster. Make one engine that plays as close as TM2 (or Black) as possible, and use it for all five games, cause I can see reviewers and new players crapping all over TM3 physics.


yep. they'd have to remake the engine and the art assets. all that old data is unavailable. i guess back then no one envisioned a future of remakes.
what would be cool though is to see some DLC for a PS1 collection. How cool would it be if Darkside were made playable for TM2?
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Reply #19 - 02/23/18 at 19:08:43
 
They should absolutely make one game engine for the whole collection.

I don't think it would be an issue getting the licensed tracks back. It would be awkward though, because I could see a Sony exec being like, "Wow, a lot of these bands aren't relevant anymore. Lets replace them."
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Reply #20 - 02/23/18 at 21:11:10
 
I could see them cutting out all the licensed music period. Except for the fact I don't thing 3 or 4 had very many if any original soundtracks.
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Reply #21 - 02/24/18 at 13:34:26
 
†Adonael wrote on 02/23/18 at 21:11:10:
I could see them cutting out all the licensed music period. Except for the fact I don't thing 3 or 4 had very many if any original soundtracks.

Twisted Metal 4’s Intro music AND Main Menu music was even licensed. Both by One Minute Silence, being “South Central” and “A More Violent Approach” respectively.

Edit: Half the soundtrack is either some iteration of Zombie or One Minute Silence.
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Reply #22 - 02/24/18 at 16:40:58
 
I don't see why they'd have to cut out licensed music. Honestly 3&4 soundtracks are not really that bad, it was the least of those game's problems. The lack of made-for-game music bothered me sure except TMIII had a few songs by the guys who worked on TM1&2's soundtrack which was cool. The thing is I find instrumental music to work better with Twisted Metal because you can loop the song in a map without it getting annoying. once you add vocals to the equation it can get irritating hearing a song in a loop for 15 minutes. TMX tried to remedy that by shuffling the songs of the soundtrack randomly but by doing that it took away the coolness of pairing a song with a map... sometimes the mix of song & map works perfectly like Paris TM2 where both song/map share a theme. In TMIII/4 there is no real marriage between map and song beyond TM4s Carnival stage having a White Zombie song that samples carnival/circus music. But even still, those soundtracks could have been a lot worse. There are just enough good songs on them to save the soundtracks from being total trash.
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Reply #23 - 02/06/18 at 05:34:26
 
I think the Minion's Maze music really adds to the whole tone of the level, gothic and dark, but colorful. But otherwise I could do without the music, or with new instrumental music, that's even better, TM2 has the best ost for me, Black is good but I don't remember any song, only when playing.

MoshfieldAsylum wrote on 02/20/18 at 22:54:41:
yep. they'd have to remake the engine and the art assets. all that old data is unavailable. i guess back then no one envisioned a future of remakes.
what would be cool though is to see some DLC for a PS1 collection. How cool would it be if Darkside were made playable for TM2?


As a kid, I could only beat the game with Minion on medium difficulty and when I watched the credits and read "Axel's Father," I thought that was a secret vehicle to use. So I pictured a huge Axel with two wheels each side, spikes and everything. I would like that too.
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Reply #24 - 02/14/18 at 17:11:04
 
Looks like another popular franchise is getting a remaster.

Might not be officially confirmed, but it's interesting. Sadly, both of these properties are owned by Activision and doesn't have bearing on TM, but this will mark the second trilogy remaster on PS4. Along with MediEvil, there have been a pretty healthy amount of PSOne remasters. Maybe Sony will take notice if the next two are successful as well.

Really, take a look at the playing field. Pulling up the list of best-selling PSOne games shows that a ton of them are being remastered currently or have already been remastered.

  • Resident Evil 1 - March 22nd,  2002 then re-released on PS4 in an HD collection.
  • Resident Evil 2 - WIP
  • Final Fantasy VII - WIP
  • Oddworld New N' Tasty - July 22nd, 2014
  • Parappa the Rapper - Released
  • Crash Bandicoot Trilogy - Released
  • Spyro Trilogy - WIP
  • MediEvil - WIP


So looking at the list of whats left, there are only a few more viable franchises ahead of TM2. Gran Turismo won't get a remaster because why would it? The gameplay is dated and while the cars are amazing, Gran Turismo 6 had almost if not all of the cars from both of the first two games in them. The gameplay is too dated and if anything, Gran Turismo needs a complete reboot.

Final Fantasy VIII and IX would be a valid argument but those won't even be considered until after Final Fantasy VII is completed.

The Tekken series would probably be ripe for a remaster, but with so many different games in the series I don't know how high up on the chain that would be. I'm not too familiar with Tekken so I can't say much about it, but I know in recent memory there were several Tekken games on the PS3 alone.

Tomb Raider would be a great trilogy for a remaster and will likely be looked at due to the success of the reboot.

Spider-Man is currently getting rebooted for PS4 consoles, and Tony Hawk was rebooted (poorly) as well.

Croc the Legend of Gobbos, please make this happen.

Mortal Kombat: Trilogy could definitely be viable and sell well, although I'm not familiar with the fanbase enough to know if thats something they would want.

Crash Bash and Crash Team Racing could probably do well in an HD Remaster advertised-as-party-games pack, but I DO NOT think that would happen. If anything, I think CTR would get a budget remaster as a PSN only release.

Metal Gear Solid 1 would be a good one.

So ignoring licensed games, the only real games left on the list as contenders for getting remasters are Dino Crisis, Syphon Filter, Parasite Eve, Silent Hill, Final Fantasy Tactics, and of course---Twisted Metal.

Twisted Metal 1-4 sold over 5 million copies combined. So looking at the list of Dino Crisis - Tactics and their respective series, the games average somewhere between 1.9 million and 4 million, none having more combined sells than Twisted Metal 1-4. Tomb Raider sold exponentially more than Twisted Metal, as did Tekken and Final Fantasy. So arguing these points, if Sony took interest and ignoring the reboot, Tomb Raider would be next, potentially followed by Tekken. IF the Final Fantasy VII reboot does well (and it will) FFVIII may happen, but I don't believe IX will. By that logic, I think the odds are actually kind of in our favor of a reboot sometime in the future.

The only real contenders ahead of it, in my opinion, would be:

  • Tomb Raider
  • Metal Gear Solid (if Konami doesn't fuck around - good luck)
  • CTR
  • Silent Hill (fuck Konami)
  • maybe Tekken


This post is of course ignoring third-party rights and things like that. Games owned by Square Enix/Konami/whoever-the-fuck-else could be remastered on their own terms. However, in the interest of talking from the perspective of Sony seeking out arrangements, this is what I've came up with. Another possible alternative with Spyro and Crash could be a trend of platformers. Then we could see games like Gex and Croc. Crash got a timed-exclusivity release on PS4, although I wouldn't expect the same from an IP like TM. That's the only real difference, TM would be completely at Sony's mercy as opposed to the other games being made by 3rd-Party companies. Admittedly, that's a big difference. However, it is interesting to see from a numbers stand-point where that would be Sony in the event of them looking to make some quick and easy cash off of remasters.


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Reply #25 - 02/14/18 at 18:49:40
 
Spyro is piggybacking off of crash bandicoots success. Don't think of that one as a trend.

Dino crisis was mentioned by Masachika Kawatan as a game he would like to remake, but capcom has no plans what so ever to touch that series again.

Resident Evil 2 is only seeing a remake because of what the fans did. Plus resident evil has always been extremely popular. Re-releasing any of those games is like releasing a Mega man game for capcom.

Same goes for FF7.

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Now your spitballing about franchises you see getting a remaster is extremely based on opinion alone and not enough information to back up those claims.

You picked a few popular franchises (MediEvil being more of a CULT classic) but you are missing a massive chuck of titles that were way more successful than twisted metal 2.

Most companies now are focusing on a world wide market than local markets. This main reason is the cost of production.

300 million or more to make a AAA game now makes it hard to make your money back on a local level.

Now you wanna convince me twisted metal will make a come back, show me some charts that prove the relevance of car combat in 2018.

Did you ever think that part of the reason we even ended up getting TMX was because of death race.
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Reply #26 - 02/14/18 at 19:50:43
 
The franchise list from potential remasters was from a list of games that have sold the best on the PS1. I didn’t pick them from the top of my head (e.g. Tomb Raider, CTR, Tekken) and the opinion that it wouldn’t happen is based on instances like you stated about Dino Crisis. I can’t argue that car combat has relevence now, but remastered games (and nostalgia) does. Granted, I have no evidence from developers etc stating that these games would be produced next, but that wasn’t my point. I was speaking in the theoretical interest of Sony looking at sales numbers and public interest. All of those games sold better than Twisted Metal when the games released. I do not think Twisted Metal will ever get a full blown AAA remaster. Do I see a remaster of Twisted Metal 2 for release on PSN? Maybe. My point of the post, in short, was that using the logic of numbers and public interest, TM (likely TM2 in particular) would pop up in conversation (of PS1 remasters) based on the fact its:

A.) a Unique-exclusive franchise

B.) Sold well and the games I named in the potential remaster list were most of the non-sports/licensed games that sold above it

C.) Has fan demand, even at cult-classic status.

A lot of internet boards talking about PS1 remasters mention Twisted Metal 2. Im not a Sony exec, I likely don’t know what they do. I’m simply pointing out that, from the process of elimination, TM2 would be in the running.

Oddworld is considered a cult classic and it sold well. Parappa the Rappa is a cult classic that sold well. Twisted Metal is also considered a cult classic and it sold well. A triple A trend? Maybe not. But with the indie/retro market exploding like it tends to do, remasters have a place. The point of the spitballing was to show how several franchises had remasters, to moderate success, and remasters are being worked on that have tremendous hype behind them. People are buying nostalgia.

Unlike Dino Crisis, its not like Sony has completely forgotten about Twisted Metal. Sweet Tooth might be their advertising bitch right now, but Twisted Metal was used as the Valentines sale advertisement a couple of years ago, was found in Rocket League, had the Twisted Metal sale for TMB, 1, 2 and PS3, had TMPS3 given out as a Playstation Plus title, chose TMB for one of the first PS2 titles on PS4, a Sweet Tooth mask in Payday 2 etc. Granted, some of those points could be easily explained WHY TM was used, but again, the list is more about making a point of commercial use of Sweet Tooth as a recognizable character and how Sony knows it incites reactions.

PS2 remasters are successful currently (not full blown remasters, basically just HD upscaled) such as the Kingdom Hearts remasters, but I did not account for PS2 franchises. I’m talking exclusively about Playstation 1 and it’s recent increase in remasters. We had almost no Playstation 1 remasters on the PS3 generation, so one could say it is a trend on the PS4 exclusively in relative comparison.

You might be right about Death Race. I don’t know. I’m definitely not saying you’re wrong, but the Dark Past came out in February 2008, with the code announcing TMPS3, and Death Race didn’t release till August 22nd, 2008. Maybe the relative success of Death Race stopped it from getting cancelled, as it wasn’t OFFICIALLY announced until E3 2010. I don’t know, just spitballing.

I’m not saying this is definitely happening. It is just speculation. What I’m saying is it’s not IMPOSSIBLE, nor too farfetched, that Sony would show interest in this at some point in time. Yes, Twisted Metal tanked in Japan. The world market is questionable. But, with several remasters that have been brought to moderate success, and compared to other franchises, it would make absolute sense that it could happen sometime in the future. I believe the North American market alone could turn a profit on TM2 remaster by a third-party developer sanctioned by Sony. It wouldn’t need to be a 300 million dollar game. If it took 10 million dollars to make the game, at $20 a piece, and 1/2 of the 1.7 million people who bought TM2 bought it again, theyd make seven million dollars in profit.

Again, not proof. Speculation.

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Reply #27 - 02/15/18 at 12:50:10
 
MoshfieldAsylum wrote on 02/24/18 at 16:40:58:
TMIII had a few songs by the guys who worked on TM1&2's soundtrack which was cool.


Would you be able to tell me who these people are and where I can hear more of their stuff?  I constantly have TM1, 2, 3, Small Brawl, Head on, and symphony soundtracks on rotation.  I would love to hear more of their material.
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Reply #28 - 02/15/18 at 12:52:56
 
†Adonael wrote on 02/14/18 at 18:49:40:
Did you ever think that part of the reason we even ended up getting TMX was because of death race.


I would say Death Race and Twisted Metal have hyped eachother up, although, not lately.  2017 had Death Race 2050, a direct sequel to Death Race 2000. 2018 will have Death Race Beyond Anarchy, the latest sequel to the newer franchise.
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Reply #29 - 02/15/18 at 15:57:59
 
Chuck E. Myers and the Pinnacle Group did the music for Jet Moto 1 and 2 as well as Twisted metal 1 and 2. As far as there being a few tracks by them in Twisted three I'm not sure I don't have a verified source on that.
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