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07/21/17 at 14:14:22
 
*To the developers of this site*

There's a Livestream I just listened to of Jaffe saying one of the main developers of this site in 2011 called his phone with rude comments of how he thought the game should be made, while Jaffe was with his father on his death bed in Alabama. 

He stated one of the reasons that he hasn't wanted to make a new Twisted Metal is because of how rude some of the fan base was on the development of the last game. (Particularly from this site)

I have NO respect for this site anymore.

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Reply #1 - 07/21/17 at 17:28:24
 
Lol k. It's a little less one-sided than that. Jaffe had plenty to say himself and the game was quite polarizing. But, I don't need to rehash an ancient argument. We can just look at the lasting fan base that TM2012 had. Oh wait. You're right, that's not a valid point, we can look at the quality online servers. Oh wait. No, we should look at how long the promised custom skins stayed online. Oh wait. It was polarizing because many fans felt betrayed and Jaffe didn't understand why and didn't really care. This game came after fans waited for 7 years. Some people on the site took the response to it out of hand, yes, but some of it was warranted. Some of it was just a lot of opinions. Some people LOVED the new game and defended it on this site. Your comment is uneducated and biased. Also, if one of the developers on our site had Jaffe's phone number and just called the dude up bitching him out on his dads death bed, I doubt Jaffe conveyed the situation he was in. I don't think anyone here would be that hot headed to the man. Even so, that's an individual not an entire site. Just think about that whenever you listen to someone's stories. Especially since Jaffe's stories are in retrospect and he hates the website now. He doesn't want to make a new TM not because of TMA, but because he is "burnt out" and he said so himself. The hardcore fans didn't like the game because it wasn't what they suggested he do, and he ignored major concerns.
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Reply #2 - 07/22/17 at 22:40:38
 
IscreamYOUscream wrote on 07/21/17 at 14:14:22:
*To the developers of this site*

There's a Livestream I just listened to of Jaffe saying one of the main developers of this site in 2011 called his phone with rude comments of how he thought the game should be made, while Jaffe was with his father on his death bed in Alabama. 

He stated one of the reasons that he hasn't wanted to make a new Twisted Metal is because of how rude some of the fan base was on the development of the last game. (Particularly from this site)

I have NO respect for this site anymore.

Link below. Skip to 24:24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fGdMf1hWOA



No one on this site was ever mean to Jaffe.  NO ONE. No one ever said anything bad about him, or the game developers.  NO ONE.

He did say bad stuff about us though, and his sole reason was that the majority of us couldn't stand his game.  He always does that though.  Just witness his reaction when the whole planet gave the finger to Drawn to Death.  He constantly blamed everyone but himself.

If you have a crush on Jaffe, fine, go send him love messages on Twitter.  No one is going to miss you.

As for another Twisted Metal - I pray to God every night Jaffe never attempts another one.


Edit:  By the way, the only person on this site that had a close connection to Jaffe is Mortimer, and Mortimer was 100% on board with the game up until its release in 2012.  Mortimer, though, does not have Jaffe's cell phone number, and I'll be damned if any of the rest of us do.  My God, in 2011 we all assumed it would be an awesome game.  No one on this site would have dared to lay into him . . . the guy was a God to us back then.
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Reply #3 - 07/22/17 at 23:04:25
 
To be fair to the guy, I went back to listen to his video and he did claim exactly that that an owner of this site laid into him by calling him up . . .

which again is just beyond belief to me. It's easy for me to ask though.

Honestly, if I'm just going to be non internet persona for a bit, I wish him no ill will.  He has a family, this is his livelihood, and I hope he starts to see more success because he hasn't had any for a while. I think he has some issues with his game development theory lately, and I am dead serious that I have no interest in him doing another Twisted Metal (and I will always be burned that he trashed all of us when all we did was trash his game), but hell, hope he has a great life.
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Reply #4 - 07/23/17 at 06:14:32
 
I didn't really want to post but I think I will. Time to beat the dead horse.

I think there are two sides to every story, and somehow I question the validity of his. Given my history with both parties.

As for the other stuff mentioned in the video, it is clear Jaffe still does. not. get. it.

"It wasn't exactly like Twisted Black" "They were looking for something different"
He still believes and regurgitates the same rhetoric we wanted a TMB clone. And he still thinks the gameplay was good in TMX and we wanted something different.

Man. We just wanted a game that was mechanically intelligent, not scaled back or watered down from the ocean we had before. We just wanted what TM always had. Deep, meaningful, layered, and varied combat. That's it. We didn't want DIFFERENT. We wanted something fun.

Case in point: at the highest levels of play TM2 and TMB are near opposite play-style and pacing of games are so damn different. But both are sound and solid games mechanically. TMB or TM2 style, who cares. We just wanted something on par. We didn't get that.

We worshiped this man like a god for a decade and attributed him to all the good things the franchise had going for it in years past. And when the new game came out and we intelligently dissected and pointed out how and where it failed to impress - and how it needed to be better in some areas, we were met with instant hostility. I have never seen such a poor response from a development team in my life. There was no community interaction to get patches through or get any feedback whatsoever. It was labels of "elitist" being thrown around. Dev teams take note: this is the best approach if you want to kill a fan-base.
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Reply #5 - 07/23/17 at 16:52:27
 
Well, if you were here when this all went down, you pretty much know the story.

Having talked to mort, a bit. I don't know him personally like most of them, I couldn't ever see him being an asshole to Jaffe in the way he explains.

What I really think Jaffe needs is to be single for awhile. He's had a lot of shit happen in his life and I just think taking a break from game development might do him some good.

Am I going to stand up for a lot of his shit? No not really.

That's about all I gotta say. I really don't feel like rehashing the past.
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Reply #6 - 07/23/17 at 16:57:29
 
This is just more Jaffe playing the victim instead of taking responsibility for his mistakes. I'd love to hear some more about this caller. I highly doubt Mortimer would of done something like that. Which means it is complete made up horse shit or Jaffe was talking to someone who he thinks ran the site. Would be hilarious if the caller was Blair.

It wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't even know who made the site. He is completely out of touch with what was TMA and the games themselves. He made a ton of statements about TMA/TM that are clueless and wrong. I love every time he gives the excuse "I don't know what the hardcore crowd wants and there is no way I can please them". It is such a load of shit, TMA was full of feedback. Including the most valuable feedback from the only people to ever play a deep combat TM(TM2PC/TMBO) in an online/competitive setting. Hell, some people even wrote very detailed stuff back when ESP was created on the ESP forum.

Apparently he didn't think too much of TMA to begin with considering he completely ignored us. He was all over various forums/twitter. He literally could of spent 5 mins and made a thread here titled "Hey assholes, what do you like in TM? what kept you guys playing online so long?" I guess he assumed that whatever he put out that we were going to love it. His time was better spent getting feedback on dumb shit from people who only played TM2 single player story back in 1996. Seriously as a game developer making a sequel, you need to be more in touch with your hardcore fan base.

You also need to be more in touch with the damn games you created. Asking something like "What is dodging? How do you guys dodge?" when you are about to release a sequel is an absolute failure. I suppose we can't blame Jaffe for not knowing what the hardcore crowd wants, after all he didn't know that everyone wanted a working online game. Its hard for people to get into car combat in this day and age when they can't connect and play. Its especially hard when you drive away your hardcore base because you have no idea what you are doing.
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Reply #7 - 07/24/17 at 16:39:35
 
IscreamYOUscream wrote on 07/21/17 at 14:14:22:
*To the developers of this site*

There's a Livestream I just listened to of Jaffe saying one of the main developers of this site in 2011 called his phone with rude comments of how he thought the game should be made, while Jaffe was with his father on his death bed in Alabama. 

He stated one of the reasons that he hasn't wanted to make a new Twisted Metal is because of how rude some of the fan base was on the development of the last game. (Particularly from this site)

I have NO respect for this site anymore.

Link below. Skip to 24:24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fGdMf1hWOA







I'm not going to watch the video because Jaffe craves the attention but as a member of this site since the beginning I never knew of any TMA member, in particular Mortimer, having Jaffe's phone number, otherwise Mortimer would have called and told him to go fuck himself about 2 years ago or whenever it was when Jaffe decided to ignore the founder of TMA, the only TM fan site that's been around since the PS1 era of TM games. Jaffe pretended to be a friend but only cared about himself and he's had quite a losing streak lately that started around his shoddy PS2 port for Head-On, continued with Calling All Cars, TMX, & Drawn to Death. He is a has-been who is out of touch with reality. I bet he is exaggerating about someone from TMA having called him. It was probably an e-mail and he probably misinterpreted it because he was grieving at the time.
Jaffe is not a man of his word either. When TMX came out he had told Mortimer he would send free copies to the TMA members who were thanked in the Special Thanks & yet they never got copies of the game. When Head-On's PS2 port was being made I was in possession of a VHS tape with the Twisted Metal 1 cutscenes that was sent to me as a gift from Jaffe to TMA. I sent it back to him for the game when requested expecting to get a thank you but he wasn't grateful about it and he left out several TM1 story scenes from the extras so I was pretty disappointed with how rushed Extra Twisted came out. Couldn't be bothered putting in Online modes for the port either, & made up that fake story about TMB2 developers dying in a plane crash without even checking with them if they'd be cool with that joke.
Also, When Drawn to Death had a beta on PS4 I joined and found the game had many issues and got banned from the forum for venting & explaining the game's problems. Jaffe can't take criticism. I even got banned on PSN for 2 weeks, when all I did was give the game negative feedback on a forum that only accepted praise.
Jaffe is really the bully but likes to play the victim card. I don't know why Sony gives him so many chances but I'm sure he'll get yet another game despite Drawn to Death being a complete failure, although in his reality it was the bad reviews & internet trolls to blame. Guy has no guts. He still hasn't apologized for Twisted Metal 2012 being a barely working piece of shit. That's the least he could do considering it was Twisted Metal fans that gave this guy a career. Not that I'd ever want another Jaffe Twisted Metal game. 
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Reply #8 - 07/25/17 at 05:41:53
 
MoshfieldAsylum wrote on 07/24/17 at 16:39:35:
That's the least he could do considering it was Twisted Metal fans that gave this guy a career. Not that I'd ever want another Jaffe Twisted Metal game. 

"We were kinda hanging by a thread. I mea-... We pissed off all the developers we worked with, we thought we knew everything, we knew absolutely nothing. And our boss called us in when he heard about these guys in Utah, working for the military. I remembe-- I remember this meeting, he's like-- he's like: 'Look, my feet are at the fire at this with you guys. It's like, this is kinda like your last chance, don't screw this up' "

"I said, 'I'm gonna start looking for a new job tomorrow, they're gonna fucking fire me cause this [Twisted Metal 1] is a disaster.' But it wasn't... We ended up with a game that a lot of people really loved to the point we were getting a lot of major awards for it [GOTY Electronic Gaming Monthly Magazine]."

-David Jaffe, "Twisted Metal: The Dark Past"
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Reply #9 - 07/25/17 at 22:34:58
 
Ripzsaur wrote on 07/25/17 at 05:41:53:
"We were kinda hanging by a thread. I mea-... We pissed off all the developers we worked with, we thought we knew everything, we knew absolutely nothing. And our boss called us in when he heard about these guys in Utah, working for the military. I remembe-- I remember this meeting, he's like-- he's like: 'Look, my feet are at the fire at this with you guys. It's like, this is kinda like your last chance, don't screw this up' "

"I said, 'I'm gonna start looking for a new job tomorrow, they're gonna fucking fire me cause this [Twisted Metal 1] is a disaster.' But it wasn't... We ended up with a game that a lot of people really loved to the point we were getting a lot of major awards for it [GOTY Electronic Gaming Monthly Magazine]."

-David Jaffe, "Twisted Metal: The Dark Past"


Yeah I remember him saying this and I was surprised at how little faith he had in Twisted Metal 1. He was looking at things from a selfish point-of-view. Did he say what Mike Giam thought of the final product? No, he didn't. The cutscenes were a failure so Jaffe's movies were taken out of the game and replaced with text endings. That may have been unfortunate for him but TM1 was a good game, I don't know why he didn't believe in it. Back in those days getting a video game award in a magazine was a big deal, although the game was not universally accepted either. IGN gave both TM1 & 2 an average score of 7, and Japan could have cared less that there was a PC port of the game at the time.
It was the TM fans dedication that allowed the series to survive. TMA was founded when 989 delivered its 2nd failure of a TM game and the need to return the series to its roots was what was called for, and that involved bringing back the old TM team, which Jaffe was lucky to have been on. if fans did not buy and suffer through those shitty 989 games there would have been no TM revival for PS2, & the success of TM Black gave Jaffe the opportunity to do the first God of War, which evolved into a successful series (that didn't need him after the first game) - so he was pretty lucky how things worked out considering. and TMAlliance once got mentioned in a major magazine in a TMB preview so it was no secret that the fans helped him succeed. successes aside Jaffe had no faith in the first game, ditched the series after the 2nd game, came back after 989 couldn't succeed, ditched the series then came back to make a bad port & a TM reboot that most people felt sucked (I'll acknowledge a minority enjoy it), and has re-quit on the series as of 2012. if anyone still has faith in Jaffe making the great successor to TM2 & TMBlack in the future then that person is a fool because most of the fans aren't that stupid and aren't expecting or wanting it out of him and whatever studio he is temporarily involved with at the time. look at Drawn to Death, where the fans at? where is its Game of the Year award?
As long as TM fans are still alive and not yet dead from old age the series will live on somehow, some way, through TMBO, TM2 PC, TMX, PS All Stars, or however, and maybe some other studio can make a TM game that the fans can enjoy, but the career of Jaffe is over. Once he disrespected the TM fans and pissed the media off he screwed himself over.
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Reply #10 - 07/26/17 at 21:41:15
 
It's interesting to hear a comment an opinion from someone who made a profile here roughly 4 years ago, with 4 comments to the site. I know alot of people lurk but, just to come to this site with a post like this is amusing really. Especially to someone like Mosh who is arguably a "founder" of TMA. The man has literally been here from the beginning in 2001. It's also a little insulting to alot of us here who have been at this site in it's "Golden Age" so to say. If there was any example on how to kill your biggest fan base, this site was it as Road said. If you were not here for it, you wouldn't understand. The only idea that you could possibly get is to go back in the sites post pages, and dig through them. Most people don't like research so, that always goes by the way side.   

Like Mosh said, I don't even have to watch the video to know that has to be some kind of bullshit. If anyone had Jaffe's phone number it would be Mort but, from as long as I have known him he was only able to e-mail to him as the most direct way of contact. It's actually no ones business really the hows or why's Mort could get into contact with him, and I very highly doubt Mort would do such a thing. I haven't seen or heard from him here in over 5 years (i think) and I still don't think he would do something like that. 

Blair FTW BTW.....but I strongly believe even he wouldn't be that stupid.

I do have to chuckle at someone who has only made 4 comments on this site to make one of his 4 "no respect for this site" That's ok because it's not like you were here a whole lot to even give it any in the 1st place, and give some meaningful/relevant/thoughtful  input. We can definitely take criticism here really well can't you see?

It's how busy this site is that shows it!!!  Roll Eyes
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Reply #11 - 07/27/17 at 01:26:52
 
I think a lot of the users on here already gave great responses that should suffice, however, I'll have to give my two cents.

I've been on here since the late 2000's. Back when TMA was on the old site. The community was really rich and thriving leading up to the release of Twisted Metal PS3. After that game released, it ripped this place apart. People were not happy with the piss poor product they got. Regardless of gameplay and story, it suffered from instability and online connectivity issues. Then on top of that, you had a really half baked singleplayer and characters, which turned the community off even more. I had my nastolgic eyed fun with the game for a few weeks, but when nothing improved, it really just left me dissapointed. When someone waits almost a decade for an installment of their favorite series, and they get handed shit, it's bound to not end well.

Jaffe cannot take any constructive critisism. I have been following his Twitter for years, and his blog. The older I get, and the more I persue game development as a career, I dislike him more and more. Jaffe is a big reason why I'm a game designer, and I really wanted to work with him, but after D2D, it was apparent he was not the man I held on that metaphorical pedestal. He's a lesson of what not to do as a game developer.
If he said from the beginning he wanted to make the Twisted Metal game he wanted, I think he would have had a lot more acceptance. However, the fact that he made it seem like he was asking for community feedback, but was too stupid to look for it, and make use of it, rubbed a lot of us the wrong way. Don't ask us for help, and then give us the finger when we give you feedback.
I highly doubt any owner or mod at this site called Jaffe up and bitched at him. That is extremely far fetched, and the people who run this site are top notch.

The most controversial thing to come out of this site was my stupid racist middle schooler remarks I made towards the music that should be in TMPS3. Which fun fact, I'm probably responsible for NWA being in the game, and I love NWA.

This has been beaten to death. What's done is done. Whoever gets to make a new TM game should hopefully be a passionate fan of the series, and for the love of god, I can only hope I could get my hands on it.

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Reply #12 - 07/27/17 at 03:30:08
 
I've never shared this particular Jaffe story and since it's part of Twisted Metal's history, and this thread has gained life (so thank you for giving this site energy for a bit), I'm going to share it.  Since it's a Jaffe story it's relevant too.

First, I used to correspond with him occasionally.  Not like we were buds or anything, but he knew me from TMA, knew my TMA name, etc. I was very supportive of some of his more controversial changes. For example, removing all but three characters, doing full motion video - I was willing to keep an open mind and he seemed to appreciate it.  He gave me a free game once where I was in the credits.  Awww memories.

He kept asking us for feedback.  I gave him mountains of feedback, particularly on his ESP site where he said it was all being archived and stored. He claimed he was at least reading it, though he was under no obligation to follow it (which I understood). 

Then a few weeks before the game's release he asked us what we meant by dodging and my world was shaken up. How could you have not understood my core complaint about TMHO? Did you actually read any of what I'd written? That stuff took HOURS AND HOURS to write and put in an organized form . . . There's more stuff that happened too but this really isn't that story . . .

It's the story of a meetup I had with him about a year later, in 2013.

Back then Jaffe's blog was more active, and he would occasionally host chats there.  For some reason he was hosting a chat, and I entered it.  By then I was certain that if I used the name he knew me from he'd kick me from the chat, so I went in as a no name.

I told him that I had a question. He told me to go ahead and ask. The following is a reenactment of the conversation, paraphrased, but I think pretty fair and accurate to both parties:

Malefactor: We always praised you and your teams as Gods. Even when the new game came out and the majority of the hardcore fan base vehemently rejected it, we still said great things about you, but you completely cut your ties and scorned us.  Why?

Jaffe: I certainly didn't mean to criticize everyone, or everybody, but this was our baby.  We put tons of time and money into it and the reaction was painful. I don't hate all the fans, I love most of the fans and appreciate their support.

Malefactor: I can understand where you're coming from and even think I'd have a lot of the same feelings, but you're reading a hardcore fan site. It's going to have strong opinions, that's what a fan site is.  We're not writing the stuff thinking about how you will feel about it. Passion is what a fan site is built on.

Jaffe:  I understand that, but I think you could be more self aware about how the people who made this product you care about are reacting to your comments.  You can choose to be more diplomatic about it when you know that we are reviewing it and when you claim to care about us as people.

Malefactor:  Do you remember how strongly you reacted online to Kingdom of the Crystal Skull?

Jaffe: Yeah, but I don't think Steven Spielberg was reading it either. I think if he had been I would have been more gentle.

Malefactor: But don't you think he read a Jaffe like comment somewhere from someone numerous times?  He's not oblivious to the reaction to his movie, and isn't that a good thing? Notice he hasn't come out against the fans?

I just think that you are probably right in a just world we would temper our feedback because of the feelings involved . . . But I think people like Spielberg rightly recognize that that feedback, however harsh, is essential to getting it right the next time. I'm worried your approach is going to come back to bite you in the long run.

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At that point I exited the chat before he could boot me . . . Not saying he would have . . . But I felt like I was on borrowed time as it was and my point had been made, and he'd done a good job of explaining his views.

Honestly, I think he has a point, and I do often look back and feel bad that feelings were hurt with how much I said the new homing missiles sucked, and on and on and on. I met the vast majority of the team who worked on the new Twisted Metal in person.  For many of them it was their first project, and they were excited to work on a legendary series and probably hoped it would lead to career sucess (as we've all felt at times in our careers).  All of us know how much those failures hurt, and I bet they felt backstabbed because it probably seemed like all of our praise was fake (it wasn't - it's just that the love of the product always hinged on the condition of quality). Numerous bridges were burned in 2012.

Yet, as much as I empathize with those feelings and understand them, I think at the end of the day Jaffe's idea simply can't work and if he tries to fight against it he loses a bigger battle. I am the consumer of Twisted Metal. I'm the one who dropped the $60 and I'm the one who actually plays a role in keeping the franchise alive through word of mouth. History shows time and time again that if you come out against the fans and claim they're just dead wrong you're product eventually stalls and dies.

Look at recent history. Mass Effect's recent release was much maligned, and the designers didn't come out in huge scorn against the fans. They still have a chance to get it right. Same thing happened to Dragon Age, and they followed up with a third installment that was much beloved. Diablo 3 was completely re shaped to be a much more successful product after Blizzard realized the fans did have some valid points. Disney's Marvel Universe movies that largely, and for the most part, listen to fans have done far better than the DC Universe which hasn't made that part of its paradigm (except for Wonder Woman which DID start to listen - and it's the most successful one yet).

Games, movies, even music where designers rage against everyone for not "getting it" fade out of existence.

Which, so far, is exactly what Drawn to Death ... and Twisted Metal ... is doing.
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Reply #13 - 07/27/17 at 05:00:50
 
So I asked Mort in AIM. He responded and said, "No, that's very much fake news."

Again, doesn't have his cell number, and he agreed that even if he did he would never be so obtuse and arrogant too think he can demand Jaffe's time.

The only person on this site who I can ever see doing that is Blair, who is not mentally all there, and certainly never ran this site.

Also hopefully Jaffe never gave him his cell. Hopefully no one else ever gave Blair their cell either.  That's just suicide.
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Reply #14 - 07/29/17 at 11:47:10
 
Jaffe's response:

https://twitter.com/MuddyMaestro/status/889968753282121728

Blunt response is blunt.
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