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11/09/16 at 13:28:13
 
When something gets busted you try to fix it, however if the damage is severe enough you give up and throw the item away.

I don't know how Donald Trump won, if he cheated nobody stopped him.

It doesn't matter how he won, I squarely blame our people for this and we will all pay for it.

I'm done with politics.

I have no faith in my people anymore and we will all pay for their ignorance.

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Reply #1 - 11/09/16 at 16:37:18
 
I've never been so ashamed of my country.

If you voted for Trump, Fuck you. Seriously. Fuck you.
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Reply #2 - 11/10/16 at 01:13:31
 
I wrote in Bernie Sanders, knowing I was on the losing minority. But I came out the winner, knowing I didn't vote for two trashy candidates who weren't going to piece this country back together.

Hillary was a pathetic, weak and shady candidate. She got the DNC on her back, she was shifting away from when the crosshair was on her and she didn't really sound convincing on her promises.

She better not fucking run in the future again. She got owned in 2008 and got owned harder this year. Bernie could've been a far better contender than that piece of corporate trash.
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Reply #3 - 11/10/16 at 02:39:44
 
I voted for Trump.

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Reply #4 - 11/10/16 at 05:27:23
 
NightShade wrote on 11/09/16 at 16:37:18:
I've never been so ashamed of my country.

If you voted for Trump, Fuck you. Seriously. Fuck you.


Well I voted for Trump so I guess fuck me then?

I would never tell someone who voted for Hillary to go fuck themselves but that's because I've been enlightened, I've been woke.

And this kind of stuff right here folks is why this year I decided to leave the Left and no longer refer to myself as a liberal. If only V-Wing could see me now.

So about me no longer being a liberal or wanting to have any association with the Left, this is actually something I've wanted to post or talk about for a while. I'll just plop down a brief facebook post I made a couple weeks ago to sum things up so I don't have to retype my thoughts:

Just thought it worth putting out there due to things that I might say or do moving forward that might trigger some of you or make you hide in your safe zone by removing me as a facebook friend that as of recently I would officially consider myself a disaffected left wing, liberal, democrat or anything having to do with that side. As I've looked around me over the past couple of years at the ridiculousness of the people who I once thought actually stood for something important and at least tried to hold the higher moral and political ground--standing for peace, justice, freedom, and the right to free speech and individual liberty--it became overwhelmingly apparent at a certain point that that was no longer the case on the left. The rise of Social Justice Warriors, Politically Correct Police, radical third wave feminists, Black Lives Matter, and the media and Hollywood's overbearing bias and rhetoric all telling me what to say, what to do, what to believe, how to act and how I'm supposed to feel ashamed of being a straight white male AND the fact that I have to be beholden to every single fragile snowflakes feelings eventually became absolutely insufferable.

This dangerous uprising culture of professional victim-hood, virtue signaling, and recreational outrage by every sexually confused or emotionally bored millennial with access to social media trying to dictate and pass in to law how we all speak and act will not be stood for, at least not by me. When you shout down, publicly shame, and refuse to respect your fellow man or woman because of their differences of opinion and instead ask the government and corporate entities to step in to regulate all of humanity's vocabulary and actions on behalf of your hurt feelings then I can no longer stand beside you.

The left liberal majority is nothing but a giant echo chamber of misinformation, fear mongering, regurgitated lies and propaganda, half truths, and false narratives that do nothing but confuse and misinform people about what's actually going on around them. I know because I was in that chamber for years and I've now seen how most of these liberal ideals can easily be torn down by anyone actually paying attention or taking the time to investigate the world beyond their thin shell and personal feelings force field.

Left-wing/liberals/democrats are usually genuinely good people with good hearts that mean well, but when everyone they've surrounded themselves with does nothing but reaffirm their beliefs and tells them they are morally and politically righteous all the time then at a certain point you just stop paying attention and engaging with the world around you which ultimately leads to being left behind mentally and educationally.

For the record, and because apparently I have to state this up front as someone who is mostly on the right now: I do not hate or dislike anyone of any racial or sexual orientation. Quite the opposite. But truth, facts, individual freedom, and the the right to free speech are more important than someone's feelings, end of story. #FuckyourFeelings #DownwithSJWs


And this was my facebook post last night when it was clear Trump had won the election:

Take stock now liberals, democrats, and Lefties, this is what happens when you become unreasonably radical and try and sabotage free speech and attempt to silence those who have a different opinion by shouting them down and calling them racists, bigots, sexists, and xenophobes and pretend they are a lesser human being than yourself, betray the Constitution (specifically the first and second Amendment), and create media bias that should have by all rights been able to drag Hillary Clinton across the finish line despite the scandals and the fact that she's a terrible person.

Donald Trump is one of the worst candidates for President ever, and even though Hillary was as well in different ways, this is what happens, Lefties, when you lose sight of what this country is about and what actually matters and instead choose to push lies, false narratives and couch your logic in your feelings.

Trump was always a big fuck you to the establishment, one that hasn't been working for a while now, and while I don't think Trump is going to do much to fix this country, at the very least I hope this is a wake up call to all the hive minded morons on the Left that you need to get smart.

This is the pendulum swinging the other way and you can partially blame the PC police, constantly outraged millennials, and SJWs that created the Alt-Right and who pushed people like myself, who has always mostly been politically complacent and lazy, to start paying attention, do research, and get WOKE and start fighting for the side that isn't trying to take away individual freedoms and liberties.

If I'm being honest though, I look forward to drinking the delicious tears from the Left over the next four years even though that means bracing myself for even more overly dramatic feelings, crying and whining. Still, watching the Left have a mental break down trying to understand how this happened is going to be joyous because it embodies what Trump always stood for, "fuck you".

As for me, I'm off to grab some pussies in celebration.


Just to reiterate that point, when everyone on the Left from the young uninformed college kids to Hollywood, to the biased as fuck media continues to point their finger at middle America and the average blue collar worker and call them deplorable, racist, bigots, sexists, homophobes and xenophones eventually people just get tired of it and stand up and say fuck you and those people came out to vote in droves. So don't blame anyone other than yourselves for Donald Trump. You created that monster when you tried to pretend you were better than them and knew how to run the country better, told them how to feel and act, and how to behave. Any time you do that, there comes a push back, and boy did they push back.

If you need any more proof that the Left has lost their collective fucking minds and can no longer deal with reality just turn on the tv today and look at all the protests, flag burning, and refusal to just accept that Trump is going to be our next President. Go ahead, stand around holding signs and blocking traffic it won't change a thing. If it wasn't so funny I'd probably consider it sad.

Hopefully though, this is the wake up call liberals need to start paying attention to actual politics and stop just regurgitating baseless words like racist, bigot, homophobe, xenophobe, sexist, and rapist that no longer hold any meaning because of how much they get thrown around now. Those words literally have zero meaning, none!

You guys do realize that the Left is the new old Right, right? I mean there are radicals on both sides don't get me wrong, but honestly the Right is pretty punk rock these days. Remember when Obama got elected and people like V-Wing threatened to leave the country and endlessly cry about it? That's liberals now, that's you weak fucking baby millennials crying over a Presidential candidate that doesn't give a fuck about you.

In all honestly though, I don't understand why everyone is losing their minds over Trump getting elected. What do you think is going to happen now that's so bad? I'm honestly curious because all I'm seeing anyone say today, which isn't much at all other than typical boring liberals expressing their "hurt feelings", is just these outrageous fantasies about how Trump will bring about a nuclear winter, or how he's going to bring his army door and door searching for illegals so he can ship them all back to Mexico or wherever so if you are going to respond with that type of insane rhetoric then don't bother.

Other wise, if you want to have a real discussion or debate I will gladly hear you out and then point out why liberals are wrong about almost everything.

This transition away from my home on the Left has been hard for me as its all I've ever known. You'd be surprised by how much hate gets spewed at you from the side that's supposed to be the most compassionate when you "betray" them. So many people I've always liked, loved, and respected over the last 12-14 years as a liberal I just have to distance myself from now because of the shortsighted and unrealistic views of the world they possess that I've simply grown beyond. Therefore I've had to do a lot of soul searching, truth seeking, fact checking, and research in order to present my arguments and my new views, opinions, and facts in the best way possible to help others who may want out of the liberal party.

Its definitely pretty lonely on this side sometimes as I put my hand up to the glass wall separating me from the people who I once agreed with and wish how I could just go back to being that blissfully ignorant again, though honestly people are leaving the Left in droves based on my experiences as a recovering liberal and talking with others completely sick of the SJWs--the bane of my existence and who I'm really out to fight with and will not stop until they are completely eradicated from the face of the earth.

So, any topic is on the table for debate. Come at me bros.
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Reply #5 - 11/10/16 at 11:55:47
 
I voted. Does it matter because who I chose didn't win? No. Does it matter at all who won? I don't think it will.

We'll see. But never in my life have I ever seen in an election year such violence. This is the 1st time I've ever recalled violence in an election year, and if I'm wrong (because I'm not going to look for it ATM) fine. Even if it's the 2nd or 3rd time, it's a dangerous precedent to set for 2020.

Because if things in this country get worse, you can forget it. It's bad enough people will do whatever to try and get their way, and candidates that will say whatever people want to hear just to get elected.

Sheep is a pretty descriptive word. When the phrase "United we stand Divided we fall" is spoken, does anyone really understand what that means? Both parties and the government have done well in keeping The People divided against each other. There is no more compromise, there is no more understanding, there is no more discussion, there is no more tolerance for anything unless it's done how people want to see it, and fuck any other way.

That's not how it's supposed to work and funny enough, people can't figure out why shit is so fucked up. 
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Reply #6 - 11/10/16 at 15:20:11
 
XIZOR wrote on 11/10/16 at 05:27:23:
Well I voted for Trump so I guess fuck me then?

I would never tell someone who voted for Hillary to go fuck themselves but that's because I've been enlightened, I've been woke.

And this kind of stuff right here folks is why this year I decided to leave the Left and no longer refer to myself as a liberal. If only V-Wing could see me now.

So about me no longer being a liberal or wanting to have any association with the Left, this is actually something I've wanted to post or talk about for a while. I'll just plop down a brief facebook post I made a couple weeks ago to sum things up so I don't have to retype my thoughts...


I cut the quote down so it's not a wall of text stretching this reply.

I can actually get behind this. This is exactly why I'm not foaming at the mouth like everyone else was when Trump won. Sure, I bashed and made fun of the guy up until the last two weeks between October and November. As well as yes, I didn't directly vote for him because I allowed my beliefs and moral high ground to answer, playing it "safe". However, in the grand scheme of things, for the bigger picture - this is necessary.

If we as a country, cannot even learn from these results. Then we're truly, absolutely damned and rightfully so.

I actually lost a friend yesterday morning because she was trying to shame me for not picking Hillary. Tried to reason with her the same reasons but she just didn't want to accept it. Oh well.
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Reply #7 - 11/10/16 at 16:42:16
 
Admittedly, "fuck you" is probably not the most productive conversation starter, but neither is gloating about drinking the weak baby liberal tears of ignorant unenlightened liberals. Being that we've just elected either the stupidest president ever or a literal fascist (and I know how that sounds, I'll elaborate if you want), I'm not going to pretend this is like any other election where I can respectfully disagree because we have two competing visions about what's best for the country.

That said, you're my friend so I'll try my best. I'm happy to be respectful if you'll do the same. But I don't know how to have a discussion if we can't even agree on facts, what is and isn't true.

Do you believe that racism/sexism/religious discrimination exists in this country?

Do you think that Trump makes it better or worse?

If you don't agree with the "liberal media" and "propaganda", where do you get your information? If a candidate says something, where do you go to find out of it was a lie? They all lie, how do you find out what is a lie and what is true?

What individual liberties do you think are being taken away by the government?

What I'm gathering from your reply is that your vote was a protest at feeling like you weren't being heard? Like you were being told what to do? If that's true, what is it that you want to be heard? What of Trump's policies do you agree with? You didn't actually mention what it was that he offered that you liked, you just kind of lumped liberals into a group saying they're whiny bitches, and said your vote was a referendum on the existence of these particular liberals. What do you think Trump will do to make anyone's life better, or is this really about the conduct of the voters?
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Reply #8 - 11/10/16 at 17:50:32
 
For what it's worth, I agree that liberals have a huge problem with communicating/interacting/relating to people they disagree with. I've been guilty of this myself, obviously. This article does a great job of articulating it: http://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism

I'm doing my best to change my tone and be more understanding. I wish more people, myself included, had tried harder to do so before the election, because I'm genuinely terrified at what we're going to see in the next 4 years.
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Reply #9 - 11/10/16 at 18:57:30
 
"but neither is gloating about drinking the weak baby liberal tears of ignorant unenlightened liberals."

True, but you have to understand that people like me have to listen to and eat their shit all day every day and so its really, really nice to see liberals not get their way for once. People are literally crying their eyes out because Hillary, a terrible person, wasn't elected. If that doesn't show you how emotionally unstable and unprepared for the real world these young people are in this country then nothing will.


"But I don't know how to have a discussion if we can't even agree on facts, what is and isn't true."

I deal in nothing but facts and truth now. That's what you HAVE to do when you oppose the Left now because its such an uphill fight that in order to gain any ground you have to be smarter.


"Do you believe that racism/sexism/religious discrimination exists in this country?"

Yes, and they always will. There are bad apples in every bunch but they don't exist on the scale that everyone thinks they do. I live in the south so I feel like I probably interact with more people from other races than most people do on a daily basis and all I ever see, and this is just my experience, is everyone just getting along and being respectful. Yet every time you turn on the news its some bullshit about Black Lives Matter and how all white people are racist and should be ashamed.

Sure, more than likely more racist people probably exist on the Right, but labeling an entire demographic of people who voted for Trump any one or all of those words is absurd and any time anyone disagrees with someone on a topic of, say, women's rights they just automatically get called sexist and shouted down. The reason why liberals do this is because they don't actually possess any facts or abilities to have a nuanced conversation so they shout buzz words at you, paint you out to be a villain, and then move on so that they never have to defend their point of view.

Racism, sexism, religious discrimination, or any of those other buzz words the liberals use we can talk about individually but covering them all in one shot would be a bit too broad so you can pick one and then we can go down the list if you'd like. We can start with racism if you'd like as that and the whole Black Lives Matter debacle are the easiest to tear down.


"Do you think that Trump makes it better or worse? "

I don't really know yet, but I do know that the media and liberals are the ones doing to most damage on a day to day basis when they keep shouting these words at every turn giving leverage to the Black Lives Matter movement and telling them that, yes, all white American's and cops are racist so you should protest, riot, and shoot back because all of you are being oppressed and treated unfairly. If there are racist people and organizations out there then actually show them to me and lets go kick their fucking teeth in, but just saying that something or someone is racist doesn't make it so.

I know there are other subjects like religious discrimination to lump in there as well but like I said, one thing at a time.


"If you don't agree with the "liberal media" and "propaganda", where do you get your information?"

Lots of places. I usually just see what a broad spectrum of people are talking and writing about, then filter it down through both people I like and tend to agree with and then also hear what liberals in similar positions are saying just so I'm aware of both view points.

I still read some traditional sites like The Huffington Post or the New York times or any of the more Left leaning sites just for perspective. I still watch Bill Maher and Last Week Tonight with Jon Oliver on occasion and the new daily Vice news show on HBO is pretty good and surprisingly unbiased considering how liberal Vice tends to lean as well as HBO in general.

But the sites I visit for an alternative point of view are:


http://www.theblaze.com/news

http://www.dailywire.com/

http://www.breitbart.com/



"If a candidate says something, where do you go to find out of it was a lie? They all lie, how do you find out what is a lie and what is true?"

For the most part I just go on my gut feeling a lot of times. When Trump says something stupid like "I'm gonna build a wall" any reasonable person knows that isn't true or possible. Then getting down to the more nitty gritty stuff, well, it gets a bit more complicated. You have to have a basic understanding of what most politicians need to typically say if they are going to run under the banner of Republican or Democrat like anti-gay marriage shit from the Right, or pro-choice pro-abortion stuff on the left. What you will find though is that honestly most candidates on both sides will agree on gay marriage, transgender rights, and whether or not abortion should be a thing but they just try and avoid those topics so not to be pigeon holed by the other side.

If you really go back and look at things Donald Trump has said, not just throughout his campaign but throughout his public life, he actually supports a lot of liberal views its just that he needs to carry that Republican banner now so he has to pretend hes on the side of traditional conservative views.

This is why I don't actually believe illegal immigrants are going to be deported, gay marriage is going to be abolished, and racist ideas will flourish under this Presidency.

You also just have to believe in the system we have in place. We have checks and balances in place just for this reason so if you think suddenly Roe v. Wade is going to be overturned and abortion is going to become illegal overnight, you don't know how the government works.

But I digress, if you are just trying to find if every little thing a person says are true or false there is no one single place to go for that definitive information. You just sorta have to do your own leg work and trust your instincts.


"What individual liberties do you think are being taken away by the government?"

The right to free speech is being silenced every day now by liberals shouting down the other side. This is the front I'm mostly fighting on myself against the fucking SJW's. Comedy is being silenced. You can't make a joke any more without someone being offended. Most stand up comedians don't even bother doing college campus tours now because of the SJWs that get offended by everything.

Transgender people trying to make it illegal to not use their made up words and pronouns. I don't have a problem with anyone of any sexual orientation, but you don't get to dictate my vocabulary, sorry. Then you have the liberal elite and media elite making it out like these people are so oppressed and abused when they really aren't because to speak out against them is basically social, political, and financial suicide.

Instead we are just supposed to sit here and have the Left tell us who can go into what bathroom and how we are just supposed to feel about it. I don't care what bathroom you want to use myself, but the liberals and the government doesn't get to dictate that.

We need less government in our lives not more. But these cry baby liberals and SJWs every time they get their feelings hurt they want to sue someone, publicly shame them, get them fired, and ask corporations and the government to step in and make laws to protect their feelings. We already gave up our rights to privacy in this country when we let the government openly spy on us for our "own protection", and now we want them telling us how to speak and act? Where does it end?


"What I'm gathering from your reply is that your vote was a protest at feeling like you weren't being heard?"

My vote was partially a fuck you to liberals, SJWs, and the establishment, but it was also more than that and I will elaborate in a minute.


"Like you were being told what to do?"

Yes, liberal America has now taken hold and it wasn't the bright future we thought it would be. We were told what to do, and that was to vote for Hillary or you're a fucking idiot.


"If that's true, what is it that you want to be heard? What of Trump's policies do you agree with? What do you think Trump will do to make anyone's life better, or is this really about the conduct of the voters?"

What I want to be heard is the other side of every argument, not just the liberal side.

What I'm hoping is accomplished by a Donald Trump presidency and a Republican controlled House and Senate is first and foremost an attempt at overturning Obamacare. Healthcare for everyone sounds great on paper but put in to practice is an absolute nightmare for everyone. Taking health care away from the free market and placing it into government control means that not only is not having healthcare basically illegal (you get fined out the ass for not having it) but the care on offer is less than ideal for most people. And because now that all healthcare programs are forced to cover everyone we will ALL have to pay more for it and now that its essentially law, we will be charged more for basic, less than ideal healthcare year over year now. Get ready from premiums to rise by at least 25 percent unless something is done to stop it. Again, this is just more government control.


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Reply #10 - 11/10/16 at 18:58:27
 
The DNC's exposed corruption made it impossible for me to abstain from voting this cycle. I did it to send a message. Play dumb games, win dumb prizes. Enjoy Trump.

On a side note the tipping point was Hilary joking about drone striking Julian Assange. So on the psychotic murderer scale I'd rate her slightly higher than "kill the families of terrorists" Trump.

Especially considering how drone strikes only increased under Obama's term, and I can't find anything about him talking about murdering anyone.

Finally. The turnout for democratic voters was about half of what it was during Obama's first election. So my contribution didn't mean much. It was mostly people on the Democratic end not participating. I think all the reporting on how the election was in the bag made people cocky.

Or perhaps Hilary turned off half the people who liked Obama. Wouldn't surprise me. The DNC also funded Trump clandestinely thinking he'd be an easy person to beat. After they cheated Bernie out of the nomination.

If you want to be angry at anyone for President Trump. Blame the DNC for their corruption. Hilary for turning off Democratic voters. Also the Media for lying and acting as if it were an easy win.

Also calling every god damn thing racist, sexist, bigoted, and xenophobic when it doesn't fall in line with a very narrow worldview is probably what gave trump that extra 5% that gave him the win. Even with Hilary turning off voters from even going out. Poking the hornets nest for a year straight was a shitty strategy.
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Reply #11 - 11/10/16 at 19:01:40
 
Sorry, ran out of space on that last reply.

Continued from above:

Obama also put into place a lot of systems that crush small businesses. I know because I've helped open and run some myself and its very hard to pay people a reasonable wage for fair work when you are being taxed out the ass. This combined with stricter labor laws all but ties the hands of small businesses and stifles any real growth and expansion.

This, combined with the Obamacare stuff means that some places can't even offer their own employees benefits through their workplace. My last job couldn't even afford to give me any type of health or dental benefits. I had to fend for my own, which wasn't a good option.
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Reply #12 - 11/10/16 at 20:07:54
 
I live in Texas. I have to eat their shit from Republicans all the time. And again, for us to have this discussion, I'd really appreciate if you'd stop saying things like "liberals don't have any facts", or refer to them not living in "the real world" or call them "cry baby liberals" - if you don't want to be condescended to, don't condescend to me.

I didn't label all people that voted for trump racist/sexist. I can't control what other people say or do on either side or how they argue their points, and I'm not going to argue on their behalf. For example, a lot of people who call themselves part of "Black Lives Matter" conduct themselves poorly and are uninformed, much like lots of people on both sides. And some don't do that. Same with "SJWs" and Transgender people. They're not a branch of the government. Voting doesn't control them. If anything, a Trump presidency will probably just make them even more intolerable to you because they're going to be even more active. Honestly I don't know how to respond to much of this because you're arguing against a strawman.

I'll address a few things though - a problem with racism is that they're not all in "organizations" as such. Well, barring KKK. Instead, individual racist people are in lots of organizations, and a beyond that, a lot people, probably all people, have implicit bias. Nothing deliberate, but it's there. There are some biased and racist police officers. Not all of them, probably a small percentage of them, but they exist. That's a problem, and pretending that all police officers are infallible is not going to fix it. No person or group is infallible, they all have shitty people in them.

The system we have in place is the 3 branches of government, and Republicans control 2, and soon will control 3. The supreme court used to be a much more unbiased thing, but now both sides have prerequisites for nominating people, so it'll be as partisan as anything else. So no, I don't have faith in the system we have in place. They will have what they need to push through all sorts of extreme stuff.

I suspect this discussion will stall pretty quickly though because if we can't agree on what is and isn't true because "gut" comes into it, it'll be pretty pointless. The implication alone that Hillary is a terrible person as a contrast to Trump is probably going to be a sticking point. I guess the bottom line is that you don't believe the things Trump said in the campaign are things he actually believes. I really, really hope you're right about Trump just trying to appeal to the Republican base. Even if that's true though, if you don't think he'll do anything he says, what do you think he will do? He's taken so many positions on everything - how do you choose which one you think he really believes? Gut?

The policy stuff is where I think we'll probably find common ground, or at least areas to agree to disagree. Domestic surveillance was touched on, which I agree with you on, but aside from that repealing Obamacare is the only thing in your reply that I can find that is actually about the candidates. Even that is just taking something away. Do you think he'll replace it with something, or just let it go back to how it was? I agree that it's a shitty system - my insurance went up too - but what we had before was shitty too, and at least this covers people with preexisting conditions. If he does what he says here, I'm on board, I've always wanted single payer: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/28/trump-pushes-single-payer-hea...

Re: tax stuff - tax breaks are great, but money has to come from somewhere. I don't think we should highly tax small businesses either - I think large corporations and rich people should pay a disproportionately high amount, and Trump's tax plan doesn't do that.
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Reply #13 - 11/10/16 at 21:09:47
 
This is too black and white. Yes there are bad cops. Yes there are criminals. Don't forget the cops who shoot innocent people. But even here in Texas a sniper killed several police. So it's not easy to just blame the police over it.

They should be investigated and the problem should be rooted out. The "fuck white people" mentality and violent protests solve nothing.

People need to vote. They barely cared enough to vote in this election to stop Trump. I can tell they don't vote in other elections either. They complain about not being represented. But they don't choose people to represent them.

If people were as eager about voting as they are going out in the streets. They'd have representatives who would help them. But it's more fun to tweet and have a block party in the middle of downtown than it is to keep track of elections and vote.

I firmly believe the main issue is the lack of voting. The Trump election proved there isn't any serious rigging going on. Otherwise Clinton would have won with all the strings they were pulling. You can vote and fight the establishment if you dislike it.

But are people going to really do that? Hopefully this election serves as a wakeup call. That whining on the internet and doing crybaby protests doesn't change anything. It just agitates your opposition and emboldens them.

They have to vote. They won't get change just by dicking around on the internet. Acting smug and telling people to commit suicide isn't going to work.

Hell one of the first things told to me when I mentioned I voted for Trump on twitter was a person telling me to kill myself. It didn't make me feel sad. Just happy I voted how I did.
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"I live in Texas. I have to eat their shit from Republicans all the time. And again, for us to have this discussion, I'd really appreciate if you'd stop saying things like "liberals don't have any facts", or refer to them not living in "the real world" or call them "cry baby liberals" - if you don't want to be condescended to, don't condescend to me."

Right now I'm just trying to express my general opposition and distaste for liberals and the Left so that you and others have a broad sense of where I'm coming from. I'm not being condescending to you or attacking anyone other than the people and ideas I see every day on tv, social media, youtube, and gaming websites, which is all the stuff I described in my replies. These people, the ones we see in a more public light that claim to "represent" the Left side--whether anyone actually appointed them spokespersons for the Left side, the fact remains that they aren't being told to shut up or stop--typically can't argue, debate, and don't have facts. You yourself might as I assume based on knowing you as I have, that you are different so nothing I've said pertains to you specifically. We can just talk man to man if you'd like but I fear its impossible not to make broad generalizations about one side or the other at times in some ways when talking about such large topics that effect so many people.


"Same with "SJWs" and Transgender people. They're not a branch of the government. Voting doesn't control them."

They might as well be a branch of the government at this point given all the liberal media--and until Donald takes office, liberal government--backing that caters to their feelings. Sure, they don't actually make the laws, but they are fighting to get things made into law that actually do nothing but hurt their cause and infringe on other people's individual rights.


"Honestly I don't know how to respond to much of this because you're arguing against a strawman."

Almost all of the liberal, SJW, and democratic view points are all based around strawmen. I'm arguing against real people saying very real things that are in fact false, but we can get into that with more specifics.


"I'll address a few things though - a problem with racism is that they're not all in "organizations" as such. Well, barring KKK. Instead, individual racist people are in lots of organizations, and a beyond that, a lot people, probably all people, have implicit bias."

Unless you can point to who and where these racist people are I can't help you fight them. This is the crux of the problem. Please, let's work together and find these people, but until you can point them out I can't help end racism. I do believe that all people have implicit bias when it comes to race, so where does that leave us then?

There are some racist police officers out there, no doubt, but again, show them to me and they will be punished. Those who have been found to have unjustly killed black people have and will be punished by a the court of law, but until all the facts are in and we can say for sure that someone acted out of line, condemning all police officers and calling them racists doesn't help.

Just like how this whole Black Lives Matter thing started. The Hands Up Don't Shoot thing was a complete lie, but no, its too late for facts, the media just ran with the narrative that Michael Brown was unjustly killed by racist cops and that black people need to defend themselves.


"I suspect this discussion will stall pretty quickly though because if we can't agree on what is and isn't true because "gut" comes into it, it'll be pretty pointless."

Well you have to pick a topic or specific talking point. We all have a pretty balanced moral understanding of right and wrong and we can research and discuss individual facts and cases so it just comes down to what we are actually referring to.


"The implication alone that Hillary is a terrible person as a contrast to Trump is probably going to be a sticking point."

We can go point to point and why both are bad. I'm not saying one is better than the other, I'm just saying that the media bias against one was unfair and unreasonable. There is nothing saying we can't discuss the cons of both and how we feel on each one of those and why they are more or less important to ourselves and the country at large. You just have to pick a starting point.


"I really, really hope you're right about Trump just trying to appeal to the Republican base. Even if that's true though, if you don't think he'll do anything he says, what do you think he will do? He's taken so many positions on everything - how do you choose which one you think he really believes? Gut?"

Well I picked Obamacare and tax breaks as a starting point. We can talk about that or something else. Again, I'll let you take lead and I'll follow. Whatever subjects you want to discuss let's do it.

I wanted to say more but I'm running short on time for now.

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