If someone started a PS4 Community that was a Petition for TMBO - maybe that could work.

Sony for whatever reason has expressed no interest, which is a bit disrespectful to the TM community considering its a first generation PS online game.

Giving fans TMB on PS4 with not very many trophies & laggy shareplay multiplayer isn't enough. It's not even among the more popular PS2 on PS4 titles. Even TMBs brother War of the Monsters seems to be more popular.
I do however think TMBO on PS4 would be much more successful and would bring back a lot of players.
I don't think Sony sees it that way though. They would think that TMB offline would sell better than TMBO based on it was TMB making them money in the past, whereas TMBO was never officially sold by itself. They don't realize the potential, and a petition with 100 something signatures may not mean anything to them. They don't even see the series as all that viable anymore, only the character of Sweet Tooth.

Glad you asked DARKFORCE, I have been discussing the matter with a few new hardcore players (who have played TMPS3) over the last several days.
I will be sending them copies of TMBO over the next couple of months and if the game meets their standards they will be joining us sometime in the fall.
Some of my old clan members will be coming back as well, (all of them hopefully).

So it looks like 'Devastation Inc' will be making a comeback around Sept with around 5-7 players.

And I agree with everything you said Mosh (Mort's friend I assume), its a shame TMB did not do well on PS4. TMBO on PS4 looks dim but I would not rule it out, maybe Sony is just milking it, I would not be surprised.


As for E3, like I have said over the last three years that E3 2017 is going to the year a new TM will be announced and if not I will not expect another for a very long time if ever.

Looking on the bright side we will always have our TMBO 

Malefactor wrote on 06/20/16 at 00:11:19:


I agree TMB being packed with TMX was probably over concern for TMX's quality, so that bundle made it seem worth the full price of a game.
It was odd for Sony to wait so long to release the PS3 version of TMB though - and there was somehow a problem with unlocking SweetTooth in War of the Monsters on PS3 because WotM couldn't identify the TMB ps3 save file. I am much happier with PS4 TMB (than the PS3 version) but the lack of TMBO gives the game so much less replay-ability that it ought to have. I figure the primary reason is money, for the server and the fixes it'll need, but I think players would be likelier to spend more on TMBO than what they paid for TMB ps4. 10 dollars for TMB ps4 is fair but not a great deal if you've already played through the game. 15 (max 20) dollars for TMBO ps4 is a bargain if it were HD, had trophies, and a better server. I do however see absolutely no problem with leaving in the Chat Code tbh. PSN already offers text & voice chat, so even if a lot of players don't know the chat code, they could still communicate through PSN's features.
And I don't know about gameplay tuning for noobs - I don't think Sony would care, anyone can practice enough to get good, dumbing down gameplay doesn't dumb down the vets. Sony didn't seem to mind allowing TMX to launch with all its unbalanced gameplay problems either, and that was a full priced game. I don't see what Sony would gain by alienating hardcore TM fans either. That's something Capcom gets away with financially because they can live off past clout, but it would backfire if done with TM. Without the hardcore fans, TM would not have gone anywhere as a series. TM releases within the past decade or so (TMB for ps4/ps3, TMX, Head On: Extra twisted edition, TM1/2 on ps3)... pretty much all of them were released out an obligation to the fans. I am sure Sony is proud of Twisted Metal, but I do not think they understand the fans or truly care for them outside of their money. They know the hardcore fans exist and will buy re-releases and incomplete TM games (TM Lost, TM2012), but when they are asked about the future of Twisted Metal, they respond with silence.

What Archminion said. A PS4 remaster of TM2 would be brilliant. Could you imagine if it had online play, too? Part of TM2's charm is that it is still dark, but also colorful and comical, making it appeal to a bit of a wider audience rather than being simply more violent and edgy, not to mention it has a lot of characters and stories. A remaster might be a good way to bring in new players and experience what Twisted Metal's golden days were like back on the PS1, just brought it and tuned up for a new generation.

That said, I would love to have a release on TMBO on the Store. I'd buy it and play a lot of it. I had a blast on TMX's multiplayer, so I'm sure TMBO would be a great experience.

I think it hurts TM's sale and status tremendously to be a horror/gore fest game.

The thing that marketers/business peeps/game designers/hell everyone forgets is that violence is not equal accross the board.  Even an M rated game like "Call of Duty" will feel like a COMPLETELY different game than an M rated game like Twisted Metal.

I know countless parents who will buy their 9 year old kid Call of Duty (I don't think they should, but they do), but WOULD NOT EVEN CONSIDER TM 2012 with its severed heads and constant "fucks" dropped all over the place. Call it a double standard or whatever, but one simply feels more hardcore than another.  We can claim it's done in a comedic sense, but that dark humor is completely lost on a nine year old.

I had at least ten friends who had fond memories of TM:2 and playing it wth their families who simply refused to buy TMB or TM:2012 precisely because they didn't see any point in buying a multiplayer game they couldn't play with the rest of the family.  I'm a perfect example too.  Even though I love TMB I have yet to play it with my kids. 

Now contrast that with TM2.  It was edgy but it certainly wasn't dark.  Even then it walked a line, but most of the time people never experienced that side of it (cut scenes).  I have CLEAR memories of playing it with cousins, aunts, uncles, and everyone watching the game play out and think it was fun.  That gets word of mouth going, excitement going, that sells MORE copies.  How many of you had experiences like that with TMB or TM:2012?  I bet you're hearing crickets right now.

Finally, people assume that because some M rated games really blow up (Grand Theft Auto, Call of Duty) that those are the most popular games, but that's a very limited scope.  The success of the mobile market casual games (Plants vs. Zombies, Angry Birds, etc.) proves that the games that actually have the largest mass appeal are much more accessible games.  The console audience is actually a very narrow slice of the pie and it's arguable the powers that be have been making decisions that limit its size.  People who like fun/lighthearted games can't turn to consoles anymore unless they want to buy indie projects (which is probably why the indie world is doing so well on consoles right now, it's a break of fresh air from all of the doom and gloom games).

End of speech.

The PS2 emulator on the PS4 seems to have the network adapter disabled. This could strictly be for technical issues since we all know how the dev9 plugin on PCSX2 has issues. So that's why I think Sony has decided to remove the network function all together, and no online PS2 games on the PS4 (TMBO, SOCOM 2).

If you guys have also been following the PS3 hack scene, the PS2 Classic Manager hack for the PS3 also has the network function disabled on online games like Socom 2. This hack basically encrypts any PS2 ISO to the format used on the PSN PS2 classics. Useful for PS3 slim and later revision models that don't have backwards compatibility.