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Reply #15 - 06/11/16 at 00:15:26
 
Late getting here, but...

This Death Battle disappointed me. I couldn't help but notice a bunch of things that didn't sit right with me, and both characters seemed to have some details overlooked.

Sweet Tooth/Needles Kane
-This got mentioned here already, but I'll say it anyway; they portrayed him as something of an average-intelligence brute, but forgot to mention that his cunning and intellect vary with each incarnation. Sure a few games gave him the typical IQ-level of a killer, but there were at least three versions of him that were smart enough to best Calypso, a powerful manipulator and reality-warper of sorts.
-They barely covered his combat skills. They even understated some of the feats he accomplished outside of the truck. (the hospital massacre in particular)
-Half of his arsenal wasn't even featured in the fight.
-Dark Tooth and Tower Tooth weren't even mentioned.
-His gang of followers in TM 2012 wasn't mentioned either.
-Even if they focused on the most recent versions of Sweet Tooth (which they seem to have), he most certainly would not have sat there and let The Joker talk. He doesn't care how people die; he just wants them dead. The only exception to that rule was Sophie Kane, and that was due to some sort of sentiment her death held to him at the time. And even then, she wasn't able talk herself out of it; she had to stab him in the eye.

The Joker
-His vehicle got taken out by the Laughing Ghost in one hit. Love the shit out of that weapon, but...no.
-They never mentioned the fact that, despite his amazing planning skills, he becomes fatally reckless whenever things aren't going his way. This...was important.
-Aside from saying 'He's fought toe-to-toe with Batman', they didn't really go into detail on his hand-to-hand skills.
-Much like Sweet Tooth, a huge portion of his arsenal wasn't even used in the fight. Why would they even mention the playing cards, explosives, rocket launcher and the cane sword if those weren't going to be used anyway?
-His gang wasn't mentioned either. Shame...

A ton of other questions that arose while I was watching:
-Why does Joker shoot a tommy gun at a car that clearly has armor on it?
-Why does the acid flower bother Needles so much when he's wearing a mask?
-Both characters' hand-to-hand skills are mentioned in the setup...So why was there no legitimate close-quarters combat in the fight? (the two of them wrestling over the wheel in Sweet Tooth's truck hardly counts)
-Sweet Tooth is a rather slow car by nature. How is it able to keep up with the Jokermobile going full speed?
-After Joker loses his vehicle, how come Needles tries to run him over instead of shooting at him?
-Similarly, why does Needles smack The Joker with the mech's minigun instead of shooting at him with it? Even someone who hasn't played Twisted Metal could tell you how erroneous that is.

I wasn't really looking to root for either side (I love both of the characters far too much for that), but the episode felt a bit lazy overall. The fight itself was short, neither of these characters were represented as well as they could have been, and the final product just seemed...lacking.

(VAs they got were top-tier, though)
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Reply #16 - 06/11/16 at 00:44:43
 
I was very disappointed by that video. Screw Attack made the Joker win that battle on purpose just because he is liked a whole lot more than Sweet Tooth.

Sweet Tooth is da man, 'cause when he does his killing business, he makes no fun with it!
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Re: Sweet Tooth vs The Joker (DEATH BATTLE)
Reply #17 - 06/11/16 at 01:46:48
 
Sir Isaac Nonsense wrote on 06/11/16 at 00:15:26:
Sweet Tooth/Needles Kane
-This got mentioned here already, but I'll say it anyway; they portrayed him as something of an average-intelligence brute, but forgot to mention that his cunning and intellect vary with each incarnation. Sure a few games gave him the typical IQ-level of a killer, but there were at least three versions of him that were smart enough to best Calypso, a powerful manipulator and reality-warper of sorts.
-They barely covered his combat skills. They even understated some of the feats he accomplished outside of the truck. (the hospital massacre in particular)
-Half of his arsenal wasn't even featured in the fight.
-Dark Tooth and Tower Tooth weren't even mentioned.
-His gang of followers in TM 2012 wasn't mentioned either.
-Even if they focused on the most recent versions of Sweet Tooth (which they seem to have), he most certainly would not have sat there and let The Joker talk. He doesn't care how people die; he just wants them dead. The only exception to that rule was Sophie Kane, and that was due to some sort of sentiment her death held to him at the time. And even then, she wasn't able talk herself out of it; she had to stab him in the eye.

The Joker
-His vehicle got taken out by the Laughing Ghost in one hit. Love the shit out of that weapon, but...no.
-They never mentioned the fact that, despite his amazing planning skills, he becomes fatally reckless whenever things aren't going his way. This...was important.
-Aside from saying 'He's fought toe-to-toe with Batman', they didn't really go into detail on his hand-to-hand skills.
-Much like Sweet Tooth, a huge portion of his arsenal wasn't even used in the fight. Why would they even mention the playing cards, explosives, rocket launcher and the cane sword if those weren't going to be used anyway?
-His gang wasn't mentioned either. Shame...

A ton of other questions that arose while I was watching:
-Why does Joker shoot a tommy gun at a car that clearly has armor on it?
-Why does the acid flower bother Needles so much when he's wearing a mask?
-Both characters' hand-to-hand skills are mentioned in the setup...So why was there no legitimate close-quarters combat in the fight? (the two of them wrestling over the wheel in Sweet Tooth's truck hardly counts)
-Sweet Tooth is a rather slow car by nature. How is it able to keep up with the Jokermobile going full speed?
-After Joker loses his vehicle, how come Needles tries to run him over instead of shooting at him?
-Similarly, why does Needles smack The Joker with the mech's minigun instead of shooting at him with it? Even someone who hasn't played Twisted Metal could tell you how erroneous that is.


Many good points. I agree if the battle is pretty much TMX Sweet Tooth then why not have his gang involved? Would have been great to see Joker's gang versus "The Clowns".
I also agree SweetTooth (the vehicle) shouldn't have been able to take out the Jokermobile(/Batmobile) so easily. I'd say the Jokermobile by TM stats would have as much armor as lets say 400 HP. ST would have to hit him with several special missiles not just one, and ST would be a lot slower a vehicle. ST may have Turbo, but the Batmobile has an Afterburner as well. I think TMB SweetTooth would easily win the battle just by using cloak & ambushing the Jokermobile with his special barrage of missiles ("cones" in TM slang).
The whole battle really goes downhill after the Jokermobile explodes though, because SweetTooth is forced to go out of character to give Joker the win. They wanted to portray Joker's chaotic & manipulative side at the expense of ST like I think I might have said already.

And the reason Joker shoots the Tommy Gun at an armored car was probably just in reference to the scene from "The Dark Knight" film where Joker shoots at incoming traffic with a submachine gun as Batman was speeding towards him on his Batpod.
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Reply #18 - 06/11/16 at 22:06:51
 
MoshfieldAsylum wrote on 06/11/16 at 01:46:48:
And the reason Joker shoots the Tommy Gun at an armored car was probably just in reference to the scene from "The Dark Knight" film where Joker shoots at incoming traffic with a submachine gun as Batman was speeding towards him on his Batpod.

Damn, I forgot about that scene. (Haven't revisited TDK in a good while) That bit makes a little more sense when you put it that way...Now that I think about it, the scene with ST trying to run down Joker might've been a reference as well.

Still though, they could have done so much more with this episode. Even if we forget the exclusion of the gangs and the poor representation of the vehicles for a minute, there were still so many things that weren't given to either character. When even the victor seems like he's been nerfed in the fight, that's a really bad sign...
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Reply #19 - 07/11/16 at 22:08:31
 
Thought I'd throw this together just for the fun of it. Revenge is a sweet, sweet thing.

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Reply #20 - 07/13/16 at 00:57:47
 
You know...even with the gripes I mentioned a while back (half of which still haven't gone anywhere), seeing what happened in Mewtwo VS Shadow has made me appreciate what we got in this episode a little more. Seriously, all things considered, I'd much rather be a Sweet Tooth fan than a Shadow fan right now.

Swallowing my pride for a minute, I have to admit that they gave Tooth a decent showing in the fight. (even though it doesn't seem like it at first, given just how few hits either character ended up taking) Regardless of the breaks from character, he was still  kicking Joker's ass for most of the fight, what with him shooting down the Batmobile/Jokermobile, tanking the acid and joybuzzer with little more than annoyance as a side-effect, and still being able to drive with a shot tire and a mad clown throwing gag weapons at him. In fact, had it not been for the Joker Venom, he might have actually won.
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Reply #21 - 07/13/16 at 11:29:22
 
I agree. All things considered, our boy did fairly well. Joker does have other tricks, but his main trump card is honestly the gas. Which one might wonder if the gas would even be a big deal. I believe it's flammable, and Tooth's head is on fire, not to mention his mask might keep some of the gas out at the same time. I dunno...

Could you imagine the reactions if it ended in a tie? Like Tooth still gets gassed, but picks his machete back up (or just doesn't drop it to begin with) and plunges it into the Joker's chest or head, or picks him up by the head and snaps his neck, before finally succumbing to the gas. Or he could have just flat out stabbed him mid-sentence like he more likely would have done, but... I won't start all that again. Roll Eyes
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Reply #22 - 07/13/16 at 19:46:38
 
Varia31 wrote on 07/13/16 at 11:29:22:
I agree. All things considered, our boy did fairly well. Joker does have other tricks, but his main trump card is honestly the gas. Which one might wonder if the gas would even be a big deal. I believe it's flammable, and Tooth's head is on fire, not to mention his mask might keep some of the gas out at the same time. I dunno...

Could you imagine the reactions if it ended in a tie? Like Tooth still gets gassed, but picks his machete back up (or just doesn't drop it to begin with) and plunges it into the Joker's chest or head, or picks him up by the head and snaps his neck, before finally succumbing to the gas. Or he could have just flat out stabbed him mid-sentence like he more likely would have done, but... I won't start all that again. Roll Eyes

I actually thought that was where they were going with it at first, since the way things played out definitely made it seem like both characters were going to die. As it stands, his victory is still pretty bittersweet since he's obviously going back to Arkham. (or the hospital)

Looking back, I'm surprised S.T. even fought the Joker Venom for as long as he did. Unless Joker revises the formula to do otherwise, the effects are usually instantaneous. Him even attempting to choke out Joker after getting hit by it is a feat in itself...'Course, Tooth's always been something of a tank, so I guess we could just chock that up to his own durability.

Another thing that occurred to me: Tooth left the Sweet Bot running. What on earth is going to happen to the city if that thing winds up in Joker's hands?
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Reply #23 - 07/14/16 at 00:02:17
 
Really? Sounded like he shut it down to me. But even so, it'd be a big problem for Gotham in Joker's hands. Batman might even have trouble bringing that thing down with the Batmobile. He'll find a way to beat it, though. He always does. Even if the first attempt ends badly and he survives, he's gonna be prepared for the next encounter.
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Reply #24 - 07/14/16 at 03:05:35
 
Batman can take on a mecha Joker in the comics, I'm sure he can deal with Joker driving Sweet Bot. The reason SweetTooth can take out the Jokermobile wasn't because Kane's vehicle was superior but because he is more experienced with vehicular combat being a TM vet.

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Reply #25 - 07/14/16 at 04:11:17
 
MoshfieldAsylum wrote on 07/14/16 at 03:05:35:


When on earth did--

Y'know, I'm not even going to ask. Batman's been a running franchise for over 70 years. I should've expected something like this to have happened by now.
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Reply #26 - 07/14/16 at 06:29:33
 
MoshfieldAsylum wrote on 07/14/16 at 03:05:35:
Batman can take on a mecha Joker in the comics, I'm sure he can deal with Joker driving Sweet Bot. The reason SweetTooth can take out the Jokermobile wasn't because Kane's vehicle was superior but because he is more experienced with vehicular combat being a TM vet.

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That isn't Bruce Wayne. It's James Gordon in an alternate universe where he takes up the mantle of Batman. But... yeah, like I said, I'm sure Batman could beat the Sweet Bot. It just wouldn't be easy. You're right though, Needles is simply more experienced in vehicle combat since that's his schtick, really. I'm willing to bet Batman would likely have more trouble with Needles using his vehicle/mech than he would with Joker in it, especially since he knows completely how to use its abilities to their fullest. That, and... the 2012 game seems to imply he made it since he entered the contest seemingly for the first time, already having his truck, and then his followers made their own (albeit weaker) Sweet Bots. So... there's that.
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Reply #27 - 07/14/16 at 22:04:49
 
Varia31 wrote on 07/14/16 at 06:29:33:
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Oh man. Imagine how they're going to react once they find out their leader is dead.

A gang of armed, pissed off, Sweet Bot-piloting clowns showing up on Gotham's doorstep? The Bat Family is going to have their hands full.
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Reply #28 - 07/15/16 at 00:14:52
 
I actually hadn't thought about that, surprisingly. lol "The Carnival of Carnage is comin' to town, boys and girls!"
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