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Anyone feel like playing still? I finally got it
09/05/15 at 23:05:22
 
Though, I play it off a flash drive using OPL so I might be a little delayed since the USB ports on the PS2 are kind of slow.

I also had to make an 8 MB VMC (Virtual Memory Card) and mount is with uLaunchElf and slap the Network Configuration files into it

I only own two 16 MB Memory Card's in my household and I don't see the need to buy an 8 MB for two games. (Black and Black Online)

Feel free to add me on Skype, if there's a group chat for TMBO, please add me to it as soon as possible. If there isn't, we could always make one.
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Reply #1 - 09/06/15 at 00:36:42
 
People are still down to play TMBO, usually happens on Saturday nights if there are enough people on (we need at least 6).
I'll pass your skype info down to the right person...
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Reply #2 - 09/06/15 at 11:38:35
 
Thanks man! It will be a splendid privilege to play with you all~! <3
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Reply #3 - 09/06/15 at 14:53:38
 
Yup, we still play. USB setup? While it is a stable setup, it is indeed slow, though I admit, ATM it is better than running TMBO from an HDD. :: Looks at Aced14 ::
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Reply #4 - 09/07/15 at 00:31:27
 
Boss, we need you to extract our intel team member who's being held as hostage!
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Reply #5 - 09/07/15 at 01:55:42
 
Kaz. Metal Gear? Metal Gear? Metal Gear? :3 Paaazzz~! ^w^
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Reply #6 - 09/07/15 at 20:10:56
 
I'm pretty much just repeating what DARKFORCE said with more context, but here it goes anyway.


If you're unable to run a physical TMBO disc on your PS2, IMO running it off a USB flash drive via OPL is your best option at this time. Despite the slow loading and stuttering FMVs, it's perfectly stable. I'm doing the same thing since my PS2's disc drive is broken. Btw to make it more bearable, I could provide hacks to skip TMBO's intro FMVs (and more) if you're using a version of OPL that has built-in PS2RD support.

As far as running TMBO off an HDD goes, it's prone to freezing at the end of loading screens or mid-game in certain levels (particularly Plant, Mini Junkyard and possibly regular Junkyard) if many players are present in a game room. It happens in both HDLoader and every version of OPL I've ever tried (up to R823 - which is less than a month old). Compatibility settings haven't helped in my case.

DARKFORCE has had similar problems to me on his HDD setup, but for some reason RoaDIE has never had any problems at all. I presume that the reason for it could be anything from my and DF's HDDs being substantially faster than RoaDIE's, to minor hardware differences between the PS2s and/or Network Adapters we're using.

On another note, OPL has a mode known as SMB. It can be used to read a PS2 game off a PC or network drive, via Ethernet. I've never tried it, but I presume it may be problematic in a game like TMBO. It may hurt online performance due to both the game data and online data coming in at the same time. Not to mention the possibility for conflicts between the game and OPL as to who "owns" the Network Adapter's Ethernet interface. On the other hand, I think the PS2's network adapter can transfer data over Ethernet at around ~2.5MB max, so if there aren't any conflicts and TMBO doesn't transfer giant amounts of game data, maybe it could work out.

At some point I might try reaching out to OPL's current developers to see if they'd be willing to look into improving HDD compatibility for TMBO.



Lastly, PCSX2 is compatible with TMBO, but is prone to serious online lag. 1vs1s aren't too bad, but lag becomes much more serious with many players. Check out this old YouTube video I made to see just how bad it can get: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOwYevE__jY.
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Reply #7 - 09/08/15 at 03:01:15
 
Aced14 wrote on 09/07/15 at 20:10:56:
DARKFORCE has had similar problems to me on his HDD setup, but for some reason RoaDIE has never had any problems at all. I presume that the reason for it could be anything from my and DF's HDDs being substantially faster than RoaDIE's, to minor hardware differences between the PS2s and/or Network Adapters we're using.



RoaDIE has had freezes, but they aren't as common as our crashes.
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Reply #8 - 09/08/15 at 03:40:52
 
I'm aware of the PS2RD bundled build of OPL, I just have to get it installed.

Yes, I would LOVE to get the FMV skip stuff. (Is it possible to maybe with PS2RD make it so you can skip cutscenes and such in MGS2 and MGS3? Tongue)

Anyway, I have some experience with this stuff. If you find the name DXBigBoss on anything related to SaveMGO, that's me. I'm one of their testers for the revival of the first Metal Gear Online.

Before I either knew of, or they ever released the OPL version with PS2RD bundled. I first ran the hacked Metal Gear Online via PS2RD and the disc. Then I eventually caught on to OPL and such.

If you wanted to play MGO1 with a flash drive, all you had to do is install it to it (of course) and then you would launch PS2RD via uLaunchElf and make sure the ELF launched by PS2RD was of course, OPL.elf or whatever you name it.

But you of course still had to enable cheats. Unfortunately unlike running it from the disc with PS2RD, you can't just skip straight to Online Mode this way. You have to navigate through all the intro stuff, and then go to Online Mode yourself.

Still, nice if your disc drive sucks, or you want to preserve your copy(ies) of your games.
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Reply #9 - 09/13/15 at 02:04:24
 
Big Boss wrote on 09/08/15 at 03:40:52:
I'm aware of the PS2RD bundled build of OPL, I just have to get it installed.

Here's how to obtain and set it up Smiley:
  1. Download a known working version of OPL+PS2RD. I'd recommend R789 from the bottom of the first post in PSX-Scene's OPL "Nightly" Releases thread. After extracting "OPL - 789 (commit d871920 Uncompressed).zip", use the ELF from the "VMC GSM PS2RD" folder. Unfortunately that download doesn't come with a PS2RD-only build of OPL. Certain latter versions have severe HDD and USB compatibility problems with TMBO.
  2. Create a "CHT" folder at the root of your USB drive.
  3. Create a file called "SCUS_971.96.cht" (NTSC-U) or "SCES_514.80.cht" (PAL) in the "CHT" folder.
  4. Copy and paste your desired codes into the aforementioned file. The first line should be the the game's name and ID in quotes. All other lines should contain codes.
  5. Start up your PS2 with your USB drive connected and launch OPL.
  6. In OPL's main menu, go to "Cheat Settings" and ensure the following settings are set:
    • Enable PS2RD Cheat Engine: On
    • PS2RD Cheat Engine Mode: Auto-select cheats
  7. Launch TMBO from your USB drive.


Note 1: To use hacks with HDD games in OPL, it's a similar process. Just need to create a "+OPL" HDD partition in uLaunchELF, then create a "CHT" folder in it and place your ".cht" file(s) within.

Note 2: I'm currently using a version of OPL R822 I compiled without any USB problems. But I suspect R823-824 might be super sensitive to USB fragmentation, which could make it harder to run TMBO properly via that interface.


Big Boss wrote on 09/08/15 at 03:40:52:
Yes, I would LOVE to get the FMV skip stuff.

Both OPL and PCSX2 have built-in options to skip most FMVs, but TMB/O are unusual cases. Both games' main menus use FMVs extensively. Every time you go from one menu screen to another, a short transition FMV plays. Car/Level select screens also use FMVs. Each menu screen's background image is the result of the game freezing the final frame of the last FMV that played. So using the aforementioned options for the purpose of skipping intro FMVs would have unintended consequences. It would turn all your menu backgrounds black.

With all that in mind, creating purpose-built hacks to completely skip playback of all of TMBO's intro FMVs wouldn't be ideal. When the game is started up, the car panning FMV leads into the title screen (close-up of Sweet Tooth's face). So preventing that FMV from playing would turn the title screen black. Luckily, a super fast title menu transition screen is present in the game. If you get any major online errors (e.g. network error, disconnect, etc), the game brings you over to an error screen. Once you press X, a < 1 second FMV plays to bring you back to the title screen. That FMV is a quick "blur" animation that uses the title screen's background as its last frame.

So what I did was prevent the copyright/logo FMVs from playing, prevent an annoying blip sound and replace the car panning FMV with the fast title screen transition. It works perfectly in practice Smiley.


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Twisted Metal: Black Online (NTSC-U) [SCUS-97196]
"Twisted Metal Black Online /ID SCUS_971.96"
Mastercode
902A38B0 0C0A8DD4
Skip Intros
201CEFB4 00000000 //0C08882E - Skip "MOV/COPYRT.PSS" and "MOV/INCOG.PSS"
101CEFD8 00000000 //24050001 - Prevent an annoying blip sound
101CEFDC 0000F7F8 //2484F7E0 - Play "MOV/TITLE.PSS" (fast transition animation to title screen) instead of "MOV/INTROPIB.PSS"

Twisted Metal: Black Online (PAL-M5) [SCES-51480]
"Twisted Metal Black Online /ID SCES_514.80"
Mastercode
9030CFF0 0C0C33A4
Skip Intros
201CB74C 00000000 //0C08882E - Skip "MOV/COPYRT.PSS" and "MOV/INCOG.PSS"
101CB770 00000000 //24050001 - Prevent an annoying blip sound
101CB774 0000BDE0 //2484BDC8 - Play "MOV/TITLE.PSS" (fast transition animation to title screen) instead of "MOV/INTROPIB.PSS"


Big Boss wrote on 09/08/15 at 03:40:52:
(Is it possible to maybe with PS2RD make it so you can skip cutscenes and such in MGS2 and MGS3? Tongue)

Anyway, I have some experience with this stuff. If you find the name DXBigBoss on anything related to SaveMGO, that's me. I'm one of their testers for the revival of the first Metal Gear Online.

Regarding skipping in-game cutscenes in MGS2/3, it should be possible, but probably isn't worth the effort. Aren't they already super easy to skip by pressing Start? I vaguely recall having been able to do it in MGS2 without any hacks.

Regarding MGS3S' disc 2 intro FMVs, I tried taking a quick look earlier but don't have a good feeling about it. I spotted two ELF files on the disc. The main one looks hollow. It's probably redirecting to executable code stored in a data file somewhere. I've never seen anything like that in any other PS2 games I've hacked. The second ELF file is just a generic utility for managing PS2 network profiles. DNAS may also not play nicely with the hacks. Unfortunately I don't think I'll be able to help Sad.


Big Boss wrote on 09/08/15 at 03:40:52:
Before I either knew of, or they ever released the OPL version with PS2RD bundled. I first ran the hacked Metal Gear Online via PS2RD and the disc. Then I eventually caught on to OPL and such.

If you wanted to play MGO1 with a flash drive, all you had to do is install it to it (of course) and then you would launch PS2RD via uLaunchElf and make sure the ELF launched by PS2RD was of course, OPL.elf or whatever you name it.

But you of course still had to enable cheats. Unfortunately unlike running it from the disc with PS2RD, you can't just skip straight to Online Mode this way. You have to navigate through all the intro stuff, and then go to Online Mode yourself.

Still, nice if your disc drive sucks, or you want to preserve your copy(ies) of your games.

I remember having a similar experience using PS2RD and OPL separately.

I started out with PS2RD GUI (lets you manage exactly which hacks you want to enable). Was kind of annoying to use in conjunction with OPL. Had to launch PS2RD, select cheats (it doesn't remember what you previously enabled), then select OPL's ELF, launch OPL, select a game and then finally play.

At some point I surpassed PS2RD's 100 line code limit in certain games, which lead me to transition to ps2rdmod (500 line limit). Unfortunately it didn't support enabling individual cheats.

When OPL eventually got an integrated version of PS2RD, its line limit was initially set to 100. I ended up sending a pull request to increase it to 250. It doesn't currently support enabling specific cheats, either.
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Reply #10 - 09/17/15 at 04:57:45
 
Thanks a bunch, your dedication to his masterpiece is astounding. I'll try this when I get the time. I'll be looking forward to be playing with everyone who wishes to play with us. :3
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Reply #11 - 09/21/15 at 01:17:25
 
Big Boss wrote on 09/17/15 at 04:57:45:
Thanks a bunch, your dedication to his masterpiece is astounding. I'll try this when I get the time. I'll be looking forward to be playing with everyone who wishes to play with us. :3



We plan on playing this Tuesday at 9PM EST. Feel free to join us if you can, we sure as hell are gonna need people.
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Reply #12 - 09/26/15 at 00:27:39
 
Oh, sorry about that. I was up in the mountains until yesterday.
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Reply #13 - 09/26/15 at 01:23:57
 
Big Boss wrote on 09/26/15 at 00:27:39:
Oh, sorry about that. I was up in the mountains until yesterday.


Oh no it's fine! We actually ended up playing on Monday instead and I forgot to edit my damn post. With that said, WE should be playing this Saturday night.  Wink
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Reply #14 - 09/26/15 at 05:03:11
 
I'll be checking around all day on Saturday, then.
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