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Reply #15 - 08/02/15 at 16:02:18
 
Okay, first, where did you get the idea that ESP was no longer in charge of keeping the game balanced?  That isn't how it works at all.  The company that made the game is in charge of such things throughout the game's life cycle.  It was ESP who didn't want to mess with that further, not Sony.

Every business is about making money.  Every assett they have is reviewed to see if it can be put to that regard.  When I refer to using it for fun, that's what I mean.  Creating a fun factor within the game players so that the assettt is doing SOMETHING.  Something is better than nothing.  You see it with Nintendo all the time.  They have tons of assetts they don't use anymore, and some they use rarely, but they all end up in "Super Smash Brothers" because then the copyright, the assett, is seen to be generating SOME money rather than nothing.

In regards to TM:2012, Sony Santa Monica clearly did nothing because they deemed the game unrepairable.  After spending in insane amount of time and money in the first five months trying to fix whatever ESP had broken they deemed it unrepairable and moved on.  Basically they cut their losses.  It's exactly what I would have done.  Every single other property they've ever had, including the almost as broke as TM "Driveclub," they have kept at it because the code starts to improve.  TM, patch after patch, continued to be a broken mess and with each month the sale continued to drop off a cliff.

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Reply #16 - 08/02/15 at 22:46:05
 
As stated, their maintenance contract ended in May. Afterwards, tweaks were no longer reported to us by Jaffe and were posted on the official forum by an SMS member. It's the norm for a dev to maintain a game through its life cycle if they're a first-party dev, or otherwise under contract with the publisher, but not otherwise. Do you realize how expensive it would be for Sony to keep ESP under contract, which was dismantling and stated they intended to move into mobile games before TM even released? That doesn't mean that I'm any less bitter that ESP didn't do more during the time it was around, but SMS dropped the ball as well for the long period that TM was their responsibility. When did they state the game was unrepairable? What proof do you have that they spent instance amounts of time and money? How are all those claims substantiated at all?

Making stuff up is so fun though.

You're speaking like having Sweet Tooth's head in a skateboarding game is something that would drive sales. As TM diehards, I highly doubt it inclines us any more to purchase Tony Hawk, since there hasn't been a single post along the lines up "I'll totally pick the game up now because of Sweet Tooth being there". I highly doubt that his head being included will be the tipping factor for anyone (and if so, very few), so why jump all the hurdles to get him licensed and in the game? Sure, there's a novelty about crossing characters from other games, but the vast majority of the time it's characters from active IPs that people are still talking about and excited for. Why get people talking and reminded about Twisted Metal? It's not like Super Smash Bros. or PlayStation All-Stars, where the core premise of the game is bringing together all these franchises, and those games wouldn't exist without their wide range of characters. Tony Hawk is nothing more with Sweet Tooth's inclusion, so why go to the effort? At least it gets me a little excited, since I believe things happen for a reason. What that reason is still unknown, but you can't blame me for being hopeful.
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Reply #17 - 08/03/15 at 00:23:38
 
Muddeh wrote on 08/02/15 at 22:46:05:
As stated, their maintenance contract ended in May. Afterwards, tweaks were no longer reported to us by Jaffe and were posted on the official forum by an SMS member. It's the norm for a dev to maintain a game through its life cycle if they're a first-party dev, or otherwise under contract with the publisher, but not otherwise. Do you realize how expensive it would be for Sony to keep ESP under contract, which was dismantling and stated they intended to move into mobile games before TM even released? That doesn't mean that I'm any less bitter that ESP didn't do more during the time it was around, but SMS dropped the ball as well for the long period that TM was their responsibility. When did they state the game was unrepairable? What proof do you have that they spent instance amounts of time and money? How are all those claims substantiated at all?

Making stuff up is so fun though.

You're speaking like having Sweet Tooth's head in a skateboarding game is something that would drive sales. As TM diehards, I highly doubt it inclines us any more to purchase Tony Hawk, since there hasn't been a single post along the lines up "I'll totally pick the game up now because of Sweet Tooth being there". I highly doubt that his head being included will be the tipping factor for anyone (and if so, very few), so why jump all the hurdles to get him licensed and in the game? Sure, there's a novelty about crossing characters from other games, but the vast majority of the time it's characters from active IPs that people are still talking about and excited for. Why get people talking and reminded about Twisted Metal? It's not like Super Smash Bros. or PlayStation All-Stars, where the core premise of the game is bringing together all these franchises, and those games wouldn't exist without their wide range of characters. Tony Hawk is nothing more with Sweet Tooth's inclusion, so why go to the effort? At least it gets me a little excited, since I believe things happen for a reason. What that reason is still unknown, but you can't blame me for being hopeful.


So your official position is that no third party supports its game for years after launch?  Are you really prepared to debate that?

If not I'll supply evidence that Sony couldn't fix it.  That's pretty easy to do. 

Your final paragraph seems to imply you've never held a nine to five job in your life since you seem to have no conception of what I was talking about at all.
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Reply #18 - 08/06/15 at 01:26:48
 
You haven't responded yet so I'll just add this addendum which I would have said if you'd responded.

Your position on the last point is self refuting.

You are trying to say I am wrong by asking if I REALLY believe that adding Sweet Tooth to releases makees money.  First, it doesn't matter what I believe, or even what the truth is, it matters what Sony AND the third party believes.

Clearly in pretty much every one of these cases they are spending the time and money to add him in the first place (which a business does NOT do unless they think it makes money) AND they are BLATANTLY bragging about it.

This proves that yes, they do BELIEVE that they are using a nonperforming asset (Twisted Metal) and having it perform in a moderate way . . . which is what I was saying. Particularly in the case of a dead series (which I'm not saying Twisted Metal for sure is, just that I think it is) this is exactly what a company would want because the assett is doing SOMETHING.

So there.  Did you understand any of that?
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Reply #19 - 08/07/15 at 01:07:46
 
No, that's not my position. I simply said it's expensive. Seeing that a first-pary studio (SMS) collaborated on the project and should have been capable enough to maintain the servers, what financial sense would it make for Sony to keep ESP under contract? In theory, the game should have been balanced and stable by the time the contract expired, but ESP dropped the ball and they weren't. In the same regard, SMS dropped the ball and proved they weren't capable of balancing a vehicle combat game by the poor choices they made while tweaking the game during in the months that followed.

You're associating false cause to Sweet Tooth's presence. You're basically stating Sony's a business that attempts to make money, and because Sweet Tooth's appearing in the games, he's generating money for that title. You haven't provided evidence that it generates money for a specific title, nor have you directly refuted that his purpose could not be to get people talking about the series and build up speculation for a title that could be in the works, with the goal being to profit from the increased hype they generate. I'm not saying that your own view is wrong, but you haven't proven or disproven anything. Heck, I'm not even saying my theory is right either, as I'm just spectating myself.

Since when does my socio-economic status have anything to do with this? I work ten hour shifts and attend university during the winter. Have some respect. I'd rather not waste my time with these debates, but if you're going to pounce on every second post I make on this forum for the sake of challenging me, I gladly will. Just cool off and stop taking my disagreement personally. Smiley
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Reply #20 - 08/19/15 at 06:00:58
 
Muddeh, do you know what logic is?  I can tell you're the kind of person who needs an official "quote" in order to know something.  That's not logic though my friend.

My argument was simple.  Sweet Tooth as DLC is a simple attempt to use the assett of Twisted Metal since it is currently non performing.

My proof of this is that they brag about said DLC.  That proves the conclusion.  Clearly Sony and the makers of Rocket League believe that Twisted Metal is helping the said product or they both WOULDN'T DO IT or they wouldn't brag about it.

It's as simple as that.  There is NO other conclusion.  That's logic. 

I don't know what you do when you think but it's something else.

I also don't pounce on everything you say, but you say some pretty messed up stuff.  So from time to time, yeah, I take you to task for it.  You don't connect the threads in your writing and it drives me nuts. Here, let me break down the threads for you:

1. Businesses are primarily driven and act upon the desire to make money.
2.  Therefore actions businesses take show that they at least believe it has a good chance of making them money.
3.  Therefore businesses review all assets, including non performing, in order to find ways for them to make them money.
4.  Twisted Metal is currently a nonperforming asset (no new games, old sales are slow).
5.  Therefore, because of point one, Sony is looking for ways for this asset to make money.
6.  Sony is licensing this asset to third parties and bragging about its use and is definitaly being paid for said use - therefore making money.
7.  Other company is advertising said use of Twisted Metal as a positive in its commercials.
8.  Because other company also adheres to point one above, its sole purpose, and all actions, are about making money.
9.  In conclusion, both Sony and third parties above BELIEVE that using Twisted Metal in this way is making money, which is better than a dead asset doing nothing.

That's real proof.  Not a goddamn fucking quote, real proof.
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Reply #21 - 08/19/15 at 09:04:27
 
Malefactor wrote on 08/19/15 at 06:00:58:
My proof of this is that they brag about said DLC.  That proves the conclusion.  Clearly Sony and the makers of Rocket League believe that Twisted Metal is helping the said product or they both WOULDN'T DO IT or they wouldn't brag about it.

It's as simple as that.  There is NO other conclusion.  That's logic.

Do you even bother reading what I post? Again, your argument is literally "Because Sony's promoting Sweet Tooth, and Sony is a corporation that aims to make money, his presence holds no other purpose besides immediately making money from that title". What you're trying to convey is flawed from the start from a faulty syllogism. In no way do you prove your end result, let alone disprove that there could be additional meaning behind rising number of appearances in the last year. You simply state because you're right, I'm wrong. You can't even directly refer to what I post and tell me why I'm wrong, regardless that you keep referring back to similar points I've refuted, but you continue to ignore.  I could go through your list and point out multitudes of fallacies and inaccurate presumptions, but I don't see why I should bother, since you'll respond the same way. You'll simply tell me I'm wrong, because you're right. A debate is pointless if either party isn't willing to be influenced, and it's clear you take no interest in what I'm saying, and are only attempting to make me change my views. So, all we can do is agree to disagree, since continuing is clearly a waste of both of our time.
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Reply #22 - 08/19/15 at 16:02:51
 
Sony has the rights to use Sweettooth however they want, just like Namco has the rights to use Splatterhouse characters however they want.  Namco puts the Terror Mask in a few games, nods to the series, etcetera; yet has publicly said they are not continuing with the franchise.  So, that brings everything back to the beginning.  It means they could be seeing if there is a big enough fanbase to continue with another TM game or it could be because some creators like the character.
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Reply #23 - 08/20/15 at 06:10:03
 
Muddeh wrote on 08/19/15 at 09:04:27:
Do you even bother reading what I post? Again, your argument is literally "Because Sony's promoting Sweet Tooth, and Sony is a corporation that aims to make money, his presence holds no other purpose besides immediately making money from that title". What you're trying to convey is flawed from the start from a faulty syllogism. In no way do you prove your end result, let alone disprove that there could be additional meaning behind rising number of appearances in the last year. You simply state because you're right, I'm wrong. You can't even directly refer to what I post and tell me why I'm wrong, regardless that you keep referring back to similar points I've refuted, but you continue to ignore.  I could go through your list and point out multitudes of fallacies and inaccurate presumptions, but I don't see why I should bother, since you'll respond the same way. You'll simply tell me I'm wrong, because you're right. A debate is pointless if either party isn't willing to be influenced, and it's clear you take no interest in what I'm saying, and are only attempting to make me change my views. So, all we can do is agree to disagree, since continuing is clearly a waste of both of our time.


No, you're not taking that easy way out kid.

If you're going to drop a word like "syllogism" then you'd better prove you even know what that is.  I created a logical argument of if/thens.  A few of the structures were left out on account of lazyness, but it's still pretty much there.

So attack it like any good logic/philsophy/class would require and state which part of the argument is flawed and why.

Go ahead.  I dare you.
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Reply #24 - 08/23/15 at 13:56:31
 
Sony owns Sweets.
Sony is exclusive for Rocket League.
Sony makes money from both.
No plans for new TM.

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Reply #25 - 08/26/15 at 00:48:12
 
Sup everyone, been a while since I'v been on , any news about TM?
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Reply #26 - 08/29/15 at 19:59:34
 
From what I gather, unconfirmed rumors of Twisted Metal for PS4, and Sweet Tooth getting shilled out unfortunately. Thanks $ony!
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Reply #27 - 09/02/15 at 01:41:05
 
ICYMI: Twisted Metal PS3 will be a free download for PlayStation Plus subscribers for the month of September.
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