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03/20/14 at 18:23:53
 
http://t.autos.msn.com/news/gm-recalls-154-million-vehicles


It's about time they start paying for the shit they make and poor designs. Some of which I think is even intentional. I can only imagine the true scope of the problem.
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Reply #1 - 03/20/14 at 20:53:31
 
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Reply #2 - 03/21/14 at 00:15:04
 
I've been the owner of a GM car for 9 years now. The one and only owner, brand new off the lot.

Now, before you say 9 years on a vehicle is a testament to it's reliability, I will say most of that is thanks to me and my tedious upkeep and maintenance of the vehicle, and Mobil1.

I can make a list of awful design flaws and needless downfalls of this vehicle, but I'm tired right now. Both that costs money and problems beyond routine maintenance. I'm a home mechanic btw, and have done all the repairs myself.

I have received three recall letters from GM concerning my year make and model. None of which wasn't even listed in the article. Two letters were for the tail lights-the drainage around the trunk flows directly over the back of them were the wiring is exposed. To think that a conference room of genius people getting paid millions to sit around and not notice that design flaw is ridiculous. It only leaves me to believe it was intended. And no it's not just the tail lights. Like I said I could make a list. I've owned it for 9 years. A car doesn't run on it's own for that long. Especially a GM. The next thing that always bothered me was the sealed transmission with no dipstick. This is how you check the fluid level-on level ground on a lift, there is a plug under the transmission that flows out sideways (not up or down) if the fluid flows out fast it's too much. If it doesn't flow, not enough. If it drips, it's just right. Tell me what sense does that make? About as much as it does being forced to take it to a garage because I don't own a lift. Ridiculous.

The third letter I can't remember so I won't guess at it.

I'm not a snot nosed brat with a Justin bieber haircut that saw an article and felt like picking on GM. This is coming from someone that has owned one for 9 years. Think I said that 3 times now, and maybe someone will say "but I've owned one for 20 years and it's never failed" and that's fine. I simply won't believe you unless you could accurately back it up.

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Reply #4 - 03/21/14 at 05:55:28
 
Pretty much every major auto manufacturer has it's dud car. Some more than others in any given year. I definitely fault the design engineers for some of the stupidest things they do with how they build cars.   

I was also a "backyard mechanic" at one time and even a minor one in a shop. The way they started designing cars pushed out people who can do it themselves. That was the point. Way the fuck back when, if it wasn't seriously major, you could do it yourself. Where is the money in that?

It'll get worse.
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Reply #5 - 03/21/14 at 09:15:57
 
Well said Magnum, and to be fair Obliverate there is 2 pros that come to mind with GM. The parts are cheap and common, and my sister's first car was a Cavalier. One of the few dependable and solid cars out there.

I still think GM is a piece of shit. I can't help it when I see things wrong with my vehicle that shouldn't be. Basic things that other cars don't have problems with
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Reply #6 - 03/21/14 at 09:36:37
 
WinkIf you want a good reliable car go German.

The issue with most things, not just cars, is they are all made to break eventually. Things are a lot more complex and the more complex the more that can go wrong.

Also, cars deteriorate at a faster rate depending on if you keep up with matnince and if you are a decent driver. Smoothly accelerating, taking corners with the least amount of Gs on the vehicle.

Also a big factor is new vs used. I feel I don't need to explain that.

So there are too many variables to believe GM is shit based off your personal opinion honestly.

Condemning a whole car company for one lemon is a bit silly. Unless its a grimilin.
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Reply #7 - 03/21/14 at 15:25:17
 
GM sucks because they shut down Pontiac.
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Reply #8 - 03/22/14 at 09:00:13
 
Funny Adoneal goes foreign for quality. I can tend to agree for the most part there. Honda and Toyota have the same issues as GM/Ford/Mopar. They have recalls. It's relative. It's a matter of what company makes the least amount's of turds is what gets people to buy.

Sure cars are meant to break. Look at how cars were more reliable back in "the good ol days" Manufacturers  can't have cars that live for long periods of time. That'd kill business. They need to break. And considering how I've seen so many cars on the road that are piles of shit because the people who own them don't take care of them, makes the problem worse.

Nothing I can't stand more than someone who doesn't take care of their car reasonably, and they call it a POS because they haven't changed the oil in it for 40,000 miles and the engine went. Don't get me started with the stupid fucking people that used to come into the shop with the most retarded fucking stuff. That was back in the 90's. I can only imagine how fucking stupid people are now.

I bought a used 99 Plymouth Grand Voyager for 7000 about 3 years ago, because my previous vehicle lost it's engine due to my own stupidity. (still HATE myself for it) It only had 70k on it for being 12 years old. It now has 111k on it and still runs new. I have to get her in the shop Monday and sink alot of money into it but, it's what I got to do.      

Condemning a whole car company is ussually what happens when someone gets stuck with a pile of shit. I'll never forget the 80 Grenada my Step father had. Also the 86 Cimmeron that was handed down to him, and was rated the absolute worst car in auto history.  The Plymouth E600 a good friend of mine had.

Ohh yea. My fucking 96 Neon. If it wasn't for the fact I took such good care of it, I would've had more problems than I did. I should've let it go. The dealership mechanic that replaced my head gasket at 75k couldn't believe how clean my engine was. The only reason I lost the head gasket at 75k instead of the 30-40 when they normally went up is the fact I took care of it. Fucking 1500 bucks.

Still a Mopar man though.   
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Reply #9 - 03/22/14 at 13:14:33
 
I copied and pasted some quotes from the article


"GM recalls
1.54 million vehicles
. Automaker preemptively recalls late-model vans, crossovers and sedans, although
2.9 million more cars under federal investigation
are not included. The approximately
1,546,900 models
unrelated to the ignition switch recalls that have led to at least 12 deaths and three separate federal and criminal investigations, have multiple problems."


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"GM will recall 1.18 million three-row crossovers for airbags that may not deploy in a crash. All Buick Enclave, Chevrolet Traverse and GMC Acadia models from 2010-2013 are affected, as well as some models from 2008-2009. The 2008-2010 Saturn Outlook is also included."

"The 2009-2014 Chevrolet Express and GMC Savana vans"

"Cadillac XTS sedans from 2013 and 2014"

"The three recalls don't address five current National Highway Traffic Safety Administration investigations into 2.9 million GM models, some of which have been ongoing since 2011. One of these investigations involves the 2004-2007 Saturn Ion -- one of the same models involved in the ignition switch recall -- for electric power steering that can fail and make the steering wheel difficult to turn. GM has received nearly 3,500 complaints on the issue. Another investigation involves 1.77 million full-size SUVs and pickup trucks from 1999-2003"

"GM and the NHTSA also received more than 1,300 complaints for brake light malfunctions on 2005-2008 Pontiac G6 models"

"GM is currently under a criminal investigation by the Department of Justice and under two separate investigations by the U.S. House of Representatives and the NHTSA for the company's recall of 1.62 million compact cars from 2003-2007. GM first knew about the problem -- in which the ignition switch can loosen and shut the car's engine off at any speed, thereby disabling all power assists for the steering and brakes and electronic safety features such as airbags -- at least 13 years ago on a preproduction Saturn Ion."

"GM later found the same problem on a 2005 Chevrolet Cobalt during the car's launch in 2004. By 2006, GM had approved a redesigned switch with a stronger spring to prevent the ignition key from slipping out of the "on" position and informed dealers of the change, but less than 500 cars were repaired and most car owners did not know there was a repair"








Way to set an example for 'made in America'

Yeah.. complete rip off so they can live like gods. The American way.

It is a bit unfair for me to look past all of GM's accomplishments and entirely condemn them over my experience with just 1 vehicle I'll admit, but I'll also admit It's not everyday you see a recall for millions of vehicles.



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I've had to change the fuel pump for my car 4 times in the last 9 years. Almost less than every 2 years. I've got to know quite a lot about this wretched fuel pump. It's one of those giant pos pumps that go into the tank from the top. So I have to drop the entire gas tank every time. Twice I've had to do it in the middle of the winter in the snow. It's an overly complicated, overly sensitive, and most of all, overly priced fuel pump ($269.00)

Why does it burn out so fast?? Could be the sensitive gaskets, sensitive filters, just the whole damn sensitive nature of the thing. What the shit?? What happened to the soda can fuel pumps that costs $60-$100? That never failed? In-line easy to change?

God bless GM and all it's splendor





Quality replies here from you guys. I'm not disagreeing with any of it. As far foreign goes I have my sight set on a Nissan or Mitsubishi for my next vehicle. Should also get a classic carburetor. No cpu, pcm, or any alphabetical computers. And yeah about people that don't take care of their cars. I see the same year/make/model as my car driving around town sometimes and it looks god awful. They got major rust in the rust prone areas and an exhaust system dragging behind them. I imagine that's what mine would look like if I didn't treat it like gold.
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Reply #10 - 03/22/14 at 15:03:59
 
Chrystler brands eh Mags? Might wanna stay away from the early 2000 sebring. Bad transmissions in those things.

Toyota gets stuck accelerator. Now that's dangerous.

Volkswagen has bad automatic trans. Manual is better anyway.

Dodge Neons have so many issues it isn't funny.

Honda accords have issues with leaking oil and     issues with the front end.

All cars have issues if you do research. ALL major manufactures have had recalls and lives lost because of it.

At least its not baby cribs. Seeing as you are going to be sleeping in one with all this fucking whining.
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Reply #11 - 03/23/14 at 08:44:34
 
I was kinda asking for that this time. I was also trying to see if there is any car people here.
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Reply #12 - 03/23/14 at 09:43:41
 
Well, considering you have all this information about the recalls, it seems GM should be getting sued to the ground and put out of existence. With what was said in all that, they shouldn't be able to see the light of day if a hungry lawyer can get enough pissed off greedy people. Looks like a good case to me. If the NTSB is involved, I don't see how there couldn't be a case. They got my Government bailout quite a few years ago. I say I own a little something out of them don't you? Heh.

Like I said before. The parts and everything else related to cars now is about making money, turnover, and manufacturers cannot do that if their cars are on the roads for years with no breakdowns. Shit parts, shit designs, and shit work help keep the machine rolling. Not all manufacturers are like that though. They still have some issues because that's just the car buisness. But when you get into the millions of multiple different models across multiple years, that's a disgrace.

If I lost a family member and found this information out, I'd be suing for more money than God because that is the American way too.   

And the only cars truly, fully made in America are foreign brands. The "American" brands have their shit mainly made or put together in Mexico and Canada.   

Anyway, I'd go Nissan. I like the Altima or the Maxima personally.   

There are car guys at this site who aren't here anymore. I was a car guy until I had to leave the business. I needed tools to make money, to fix cars, to make money, to buy tools, to fix cars, to make money, to buy tools, to fix cars to make money to buy tools to fix cars to make.....yea. I never made enough money fixing the fucking things because of their designs, so I couldn't buy the right tools to fix them properly. I was not about to be indebted to the tool man for thousands, ten's thousands like I knew some guys were. Fucking ridiculous.
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Reply #13 - 03/23/14 at 09:59:12
 
I'm only partially a car guy. I'm not obsessed with it and couldn't roll out every spec and engine size and the diameter of every piston.

I like cars based on what I see and feel. The actual performance you get when you have the peddle to the floor than all that mumbo jumbo.
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Reply #14 - 03/29/14 at 20:42:07
 
Most cars will have problems. If you haven't paid attention to the news over the years, then you've missed it.

Recalls will happen. It is unfortunate, but don't buy those cars and you won't have to deal with it. If you already own one, go with the recalls and get it fixed, or get rid of it.

I had a Kia Optima when I was younger, it looked mint. But I could feel the transmission slipping on me. I traded that shit in immediately and got a new Silverado. If your car sucks, get rid of it.

And before anyone says money, I struggle but theres always places to get decent cars (used) that are good.

I personally have always liked Chevy/GM, and this recall won't change my opinion.

Ultimately, the reason why most cars break faster is how the owner takes care of them. As well as where you live. Snow, salt, and poor road conditions kill cars faster up here. Poor cars!
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