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01/16/14 at 04:37:38
 
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Just like the Food, Music, and Movie Industries, the video game industry is headed towards the shit can.

I have been a serious gamer since 1979.

Games in the early eighties were never unfinished, rushed or broke.

In those days only true gamers bought video games, now everyone is in to it.

I woirk hard for my money and could always spend it on other things,

Bottom line is people are too tolerant and buy crap.
If you buy crap, the will continue to make crap.

Instead of buying a PS4 I'm more interested in buying several PS2 systems, with several cheap monitors and hosting TMBO games for the rest of my life.

The alcohol industry is getting better though, I don't drink very much but I'm seeing better brews in the stores all the time.

This industry does not care anymore and after 35 years I'm just about ready to walk away from it.
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Reply #1 - 01/16/14 at 04:49:50
 
Thumpy, I share your feelings on this subject, but...it's kind of off subject to the board.
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Reply #2 - 01/16/14 at 06:09:05
 
I've been a gamer for like 13 years so can't really say I got much of experience in what you may be speaking of, but based on that article I strongly agree with a few things.

Most importantly, Too Many of The Same
seriously, that's a real issue there we don't need a new Call of Duty game (for example) each year, and why is there two studios making Call of Duty series?

Products being rushed is also a great if not the greatest problem there, giving a thing its time is never a bad idea, but it has a risk of being even more hated and criticized if it's not as good as what fans expected, then they'll have another thing to whine about which can be quoted in "You took enough time to build a planet and you come up with this piece of shit? Worst studio/company ever!" 

I also agree with Paying for Online being an issue, no particular comments on it though.

Now what I can't understand is why DLC is an issue? it adds excitement and it shows who actually got a game to master it and who got it to chill around, it also shows a part of passion let's say in collecting, I don't see DLC being an issue.

Now about Broken Games.
Why would anyone make a broken game on purpose? Maybe videogames back then weren't broken because they were in a way simpler than modern games? Maybe the advanced technologies by offering better experiences also got a problem which is more room for mistakes, I can't fully agree with that because it's not fully the fault of the devs, they did what they could, they made a good game and nothing is flawless, better experience will logically be more risky.

No comments on Focus on Graphics, I don't have a stable opinion with or against this, and when I think about it it's a problem and a good thing in the same time, so I'll leave that one.

Of course all of that is only my opinion, the way I see stuff and I'm just saying.

About buying PS2's and hosting TMBO games, this IS an amazing idea, but will it really last much? and then what?

Sadly this is the truth of this world. The greatest thing we have is memories, we can try to revive them and live in 'em longer but in the end we'll have to wake up to the reality that everything is going down to a shit hole as an end. Then after that is a mystery, whether something better spawns, or it revives itself.
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Reply #3 - 01/16/14 at 12:04:02
 
I'm happy to allow the topic because I see what it's getting at and of course the situ with TMX is relevant to this topic as well.

As long as we can keep it reasonably civil I have no problem?

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Reply #4 - 01/16/14 at 13:00:14
 
Right there with ya on the broken games.

This past gen I probably purchased and played the most games I ever had in my life. And yet still think this gen was a giant let down. My biggest issue is just how babied and dumb games are. They are mostly a visual experience these days, and GAME-PLAY has taken a back seat. Uncharted was a big culprit in cinematic gameplay with zero substance (Though with Last of Us, Naughty Dog proved they can do good gameplay).

Most games these days are so watered down with hand holding and easy to beat,  that the games just don't have any sense of replay-ability.

This generation summed up: "I beat it, played for 2 weeks online, and then bargain binned it"

Developers in particular, many of which suck at their jobs, think that by making games more accessible and broaden their appeal so they can increase sales. This actually has an opposite effect for most games.

Hence, I mostly just play TMBO and Resident Evil Outbreak 1-2 online.

Thumpy wrote on 01/16/14 at 04:37:38:
Bottom line is people are too tolerant and buy crap.
If you buy crap, the will continue to make crap.


Bingo. Gamers HAVE NO BACKBONES. NONE.

Being an old school Resident Evil fan is the most dissapointing thing ever. You have fellow "hardcore fans" who claim to hate RE4-5-6, and yet everytime Capcom makes a new RE game, they BUY IT?!?! WHY? Does Capcom care about anything other than sales? No. They only listen to dollar signs....

Seriously? What other industry is like this?

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Potential Buyer: HI! I'd like to buy a new 2014 Ford Pinto! My old one was horrible! It exploded, killed my family, and well... it was a nightmare.

Dealer: Well then you're in for a real treat, all your problems are solved with the new remodel!

Potential Buyer: Hmmm... you screwed me last time... but OK sounds like a plan! Where do I sign?!

Yeah ^^^^, this would NEVER happen anywhere but the gaming industry. Fucking pathetic. I have boycotted Capcom since RE5, and havent given them a dime, and never will, until they actually change.

Thumpy wrote on 01/16/14 at 04:37:38:
Instead of buying a PS4 I'm more interested in buying several PS2 systems, with several cheap monitors and hosting TMBO games for the rest of my life.


Well, you might be happy to know... that we have some surprises in the future. Possibly a recreated fan-made TMBO server. No more XLink Kai, just a real server that people can play on, with no mods/cheat devices needed to play.

Mr.DooM wrote on 01/16/14 at 06:09:05:
About buying PS2's and hosting TMBO games, this IS an amazing idea, but will it really last much? and then what?


Many of us still own PS2s or backwards compat PS3s. True, it wont last forever... but what in life does? It's a chance to relive better times, and we would have the server, no one would pull the plug. It would just depend on player interest and how long that lasts.

And a hell of a lot of fun to be part of something that brings other people some joy. Its taking something back that was lost and certainly cannot be found in today's gaming landscape. So many people are interested in this that I think it could be pretty big Smiley
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Reply #5 - 01/16/14 at 16:19:01
 
The game industry is a goddamn joke. Becoming nothing but a money grab. What is most to blame is the obsession with fucking graphics. As they try to make shit look better and better, the development cost skyrockets. In return they do whatever they can to make as many people buy it as possible even if that means putting out an inferior game.

Speaking of graphics, I remember some retard on this board refusing to play previous TMs because of graphics. I don't even know why these kinds of people play games at all. If graphics are that important don't even waste money on games. Just take your eyes off the tv. Go walk and look around at the best graphics you will ever see while jizzing in your pants every few mins. Of course though games are catered to these types of people instead of gamers.

All I have in my head right now is the xbox one reveal. They show watching tv for a GAMING system reveal. Then comes the earth shattering reveal of the call of duty dog. OMFG look at those few more polygons! Look at that fur! LOOK! LOOK AT HIM! LOOK AT HIM NOW! This is the future! Rofl and as I type this a commercial for xbox one comes on showing it's tv watching abilities! It doesn't get any better than this!

I especially love the people who refuse to play games based on art style or that it looks cartoonish. For some maybe its a pride thing and they think they will be called a kid. Which is kinda good because who the fuck in their right mind wants to be old?  Nintendo games probably get this complaint the most. I swear if they made everything turn in to bloody mess when mario jumps on it. Then they made mario whip out his big italian cock and fuck the shit out of the princess at the end. Sales would skyrocket, well maybe not cause OMFG graphics!

Btw any of you guys remember that developer that released a broken game. Then when asked why it didn't do well said "people just aren't in to car combat"? What a funny guy that was and when I say funny, i mean funny like a clown.
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Reply #6 - 01/16/14 at 17:34:21
 
Yes I recall that "needs better graphics" garbage.

Since Outbreak has come back, one person's reply to the news on some website was "Oh I love this game so much, id kill to play it... but im so used to having unified friends lists now, ps2 feels so ancient, don't think I can do this or bother"

Oh waaah. That's a deal breaker right there.

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Reply #7 - 01/16/14 at 20:18:01
 
I want to say that I totally agree with the money grabbing point with developers in the game industry. I love the fucking disc dlc they have, and I absolutely love when they try to sell in game currency. It's sad what developers are doing now.

I've been bitching at the people complaining about money hacking in GTA Online, they are so blind to see they are getting fucked by Rockstar who is forcing players to grind for high priced items in the game.
It's like playing a game to people now is grinding doing the same boring shit for some ridiculous upgrade.

Back in the day you used to play a game for the fun of it and fully unlock items, not sit for hours on end getting bored and frustrated, gaining an inexplicable amount of weight as my arteries clog, and have my arms recess into a roll with only my fat chode fingers left to grip the controller. I have a life, and I'd like to live it.

I'd like to point out that Sony tried doing this for GT6 having  lowered all credits won from races, and adding buyable credits. So what do the fans do? Find a glitch that reward the maximum credits, and shut Sony right the hell up. They didn't even address the glitch as far as I know, so I've been enjoying my huge garage of cars. Free of any grinding bullshit, so let's hope they learned their lesson.

I feel like I'm going to get screwed having just applied to a few schools for game design. I bet they'll just teach me how steal money from people instead of showing me how to make a good product.



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Reply #8 - 01/17/14 at 10:15:17
 
I think the worst thing that could happen to the gaming industry is if they make it like arcade games where you'd have to constantly pay money just to have the "right" to play a game for a limited time. I think it would mean the end of gaming as we know it if it came to the point where you had to pay a monthly fee just to play your games. I'm of the belief that once I buy my games, I should be allowed to do whatever I want with them from then on. In other words, I wanna BUY my games, not rent them. I don't mind downloadable content if they enhance/debug games but I certainly wouldn't like having to be required to be online all the time just to play them.

On the other notes, I honestly haven't been active much throughout this past generation (probably because I've become more "adult" now and thus have more "adult" responsibilities to have much time for games these days) but from what I've seen I can agree that it's become oversaturated with games that are all show and no substance. It became like this when video games started to become more popular. Thumpy stated that in the beginning of video games you had to be a true gamer to even buy games. Since then, they've went from being a kids toy/niche activity to another form of electronic media. It's become such a large-scale industry that you now have too many businessmen trying to make a quick buck from it.

But every cloud has a silver lining. If the 1983 crash leading to the NES is of any reliable indication, the current situation of the game market might eventually lead to another collapse that might just make all the greedy businessmen go away enough to make room for real developers to start churning quality games in an effort to revive the market. One can only hope.

Now to get to the topic of the TM franchise, but before I get into that, lemme mention that the Sonic franchise has also largely fallen from grace. With games like Sonic 2006, it made you wonder if Sega/Sonic Team even cared anymore (though thankfully the franchise has gotten a bit better with the recent games). Sometimes the games by the developers just don't cut it and it's left up to the fans themselves to start providing themselves with quality Sonic games. The result: romhacks. There are plenty of romhacks of the classic Genesis Sonic titles that have given them new life and many of them are a blast to play like Sonic Megamix. Some fans have even went the extra mile and made their own Sonic games like Sonic After the Sequel.

This leads me to think what could be possible for fans like us to help bring new life to Twisted Metal. It's cool that we're already thinking of making our own TMBO servers, but what if we hacked/made our own TM games? If fans can mod the PC versions of modern 3D Sonic games, I don't see why we couldn't do something ourselves. Okay sure, we don't have the source code of the original TM games, but then why not start from scratch? Many fan-made remakes have been done from scratch such as the aforementioned Sonic After the Sequel, Super Mario Bros. X and Streets of Rage Remake. TM is a game with cars so I don't see why we couldn't just get a racing game engine that's closest to TM1/2's engine and made some tweaks to make it a car combat game. The question is, are there any TM fans out there who specialize in game modding?
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Reply #9 - 01/18/14 at 04:39:35
 
This idea of 'pay money just to have the "right" to play' is something I find disturbing.
A lot of the little money I made in high school when to arcades in the early eighties and I thought I saw the end of this 30 years ago.
I started seeing this with Tekken revolution.

Lets just face it, the are taking more and giving less.

I'm glad to see you guys talking about a TMBO server, its great to know you guys are still out there, I'll help if I can.

If one or two great video games come out in a year that would be good enough for me and I'll buy the new system.

I know Jaffe/Scott have the talent to make a great game but over the last 18 years I wonder if they ever made anything is which the game companies said, "Hey this game is too good, we want you to lower the quality of it cause its making our other games look like garbage and it would force us to raise the standard of all our games in the future.

On a brighter note it would not surprise me if we see a TM Ps4 announcement soon.
A TM that could have been started even before the release of TM PS3.
Remember TM PS3 was supposed to be a downloadable game and the Eat Sleep Play team has been quite lately.
And like a said before "Twisted Metal is this team's 'Crown Jewel', I don't believe anyone would give that up.
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Reply #10 - 01/18/14 at 08:46:22
 
RoaDiE wrote on 01/16/14 at 13:00:14:
Right there with ya on the broken games.

This past gen I probably purchased and played the most games I ever had in my life. And yet still think this gen was a giant let down. My biggest issue is just how babied and dumb games are. They are mostly a visual experience these days, and GAME-PLAY has taken a back seat. Uncharted was a big culprit in cinematic gameplay with zero substance (Though with Last of Us, Naughty Dog proved they can do good gameplay).

Most games these days are so watered down with hand holding and easy to beat,  that the games just don't have any sense of replay-ability.

This generation summed up: "I beat it, played for 2 weeks online, and then bargain binned it"

Developers in particular, many of which suck at their jobs, think that by making games more accessible and broaden their appeal so they can increase sales. This actually has an opposite effect for most games.

Hence, I mostly just play TMBO and Resident Evil Outbreak 1-2 online.


Bingo. Gamers HAVE NO BACKBONES. NONE.

Being an old school Resident Evil fan is the most dissapointing thing ever. You have fellow "hardcore fans" who claim to hate RE4-5-6, and yet everytime Capcom makes a new RE game, they BUY IT?!?! WHY? Does Capcom care about anything other than sales? No. They only listen to dollar signs....

Seriously? What other industry is like this?

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Potential Buyer: HI! I'd like to buy a new 2014 Ford Pinto! My old one was horrible! It exploded, killed my family, and well... it was a nightmare.

Dealer: Well then you're in for a real treat, all your problems are solved with the new remodel!

Potential Buyer: Hmmm... you screwed me last time... but OK sounds like a plan! Where do I sign?!

Yeah ^^^^, this would NEVER happen anywhere but the gaming industry. Fucking pathetic. I have boycotted Capcom since RE5, and havent given them a dime, and never will, until they actually change.


This right here. Along with Thumpy's and The Truth's statement as well.

When I 1st started playing video games, it was all about the gameplay. Why? Because back then, all you had was coin-op. If your game sucked it wouldn't do well. I don't know WTF people now a days would've done for games's like Asteroids, Pac-Man, Super Mario or Donkey Kong that are the very foundations, and the seeds of what games have become today. Noone bitched about graphics back then. It was because it was FUN.

The really popular games would have quarters lined up on the bottom right hand corner of the screen indicating how many people had next game. If you walked over to a game like Double Dragon, it would have 5 quarters on it, meaning 5 people were next. You could be playing a game, and if someone wanted next, they'd put their quarter up.

Sometimes the panel would work loose, so you'd warn the person to put it somewhere else because it'd fall into the box of the cabinet. LOL! I lost a few quarters that way. 

There really are times when I have took small moments with games like Skyrim, GTA5, RE4, and so on....and tell my oldest son (who had played Atari 2600 games) it astounds me what I see today compared to what I was playing when I was his age. Amazing really. Almost makes me cry with joy. Alot of gamers don't get how beautiful it really is, when the games today are awesome.

And some of them were difficult too. Quarter suckers. Sinistar, Gauntlet, Space Ace, Centipede.....I could go on. Another aspect of games that has seriously dropped off in the industry. Why?

Because people don't have the intelligence, and/or the patience anymore. Why the fuck would anyone want to try and figure out RE1 today? That shit's to hard! We'll complain! It angered me RE3 was so fucking easy, and was made that way because people cried RE2 was to hard. So they bitch again when 4 is fucking epic, and again when 5 is a turd.

God dammit don't get me started.

Most of the times I just let shit go by. I can understand that the industry is a buisness that needs to make money but, unfortunately the customer base for this industry is so fucking fickle, it really hurts what really matters. GAMEPLAY.

You trade off a possible hard game, because people would cry it's to hard. You trade gameplay for graphics, because it's not fucking pretty enough. I would rather play Spy Hunter all day on my 2600, than to try and play through RE5 on Expert again. I don't give a flying fuck how pretty your fucking game is. If it's a gameplay turd, you fail. Aliens Colonial Marines??? Yea....choke a dick.

What Road said is the absolute truth. Don't fucking buy the shit. End of story. I also have not purchased a RE game since 5 either. Though it killed me to know there have been....what? 2 RE games made after it, that I refuse to give Capcom my money. I'm am unfortunately sad to say that I am in that boat with TM as well. I do not want to have that debate/argument crop back up here again but, that is just how I feel and is my POV.

The industry is going to continue to do whatever it needs to to make money unfortunately. It has become more of the corporate, money grab, do what it takes to make a profit, type attitude. With DLC, to digital. If it can turn a buck, and gamers are willing to pay it, why stop doing it? If I was able to make a dollar every time I said the word "fuck", I'd keep doing it no matter how many FUCKING people complained. I know alot of car models I could take to heart with Roadie's comments. It's so true.   

"We don't care if it sucks and is broken! Our shareholders need results now and needs to be released 'x' date or your all fucking fired!"

Extreme? Sure. Far off base? Maybe not. I don't much care for what direction the industry is going. All I know is that I will still speak with my wallet, and if that isn't good enough, My money will unfortunately have to go elsewhere.       

:::::EDIT::::: LOL @ the off topic board comment. As slow as it is at the site right now, I'm also agreed that it's a discussion worth having. Some rules can be bent every now and then.

I guess....... Roll Eyes

::::::EDIT 2:::::: The gaming industry owes me 12 "fuck" bucks.
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Reply #12 - 01/18/14 at 17:36:35
 
I must heavily agree. Video Games back in the 8-bit to 16-bit eras were unforgiving in difficulty. You HAD to be good at a certain game. They were fun as much as they were challenging. Graphics mattered mildly, gameplay mattered more and making it a experience anyone will remember as long as they can remember it. Hence why they're forever classics.

I can tell the next gen is practically dead. Because I saw a X-Box One commercial. Where it advertised all the media features of it's console. Where was the gameplay? Did it showcase any video games being played on it? Did it even care about the consoles capabilities of playing games? No, no it didn't. It just showed a bunch of people partying or someone sitting at their home watching Netflix and browsing through their X-Box home page.

That's what the industry has shifted towards. It shifted towards how fast you can access your friends list than giving a shit about how well a console played a game. That's what mostly everybody is talking about, how they can watch their Netflix just on something that plays games.

I think honestly the more media that is crammed into a console, the more focus on the console's sole purpose to do one job just becomes irrelevant, barely. Which is why I still have some respect for Nintendo's decisions to make consoles that are made to play games, not just do a million other things on the side. Although sometimes they kinda bend towards that too.

When you played well-made games, you were the one that sucked. Not the game. Nowdays, people will blame just about anything other than their skill when playing a certain game.
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Reply #13 - 01/19/14 at 00:24:01
 
Just a heads up, this thread should really be moved to Brawl. And if you can't handle the heat then get outta the kitchen. Anyways...

Video games today are awesome. Video game consoles are awesome. If you asked me to pick between the 2013 Xbox 360 with games, DVDs, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, etc. streaming services, music such as Last.FM and whatever the Xbox Music thing is, or the 2005 Xbox 360 with games, DVDs, that's about it, I'd pick the 2013. A console is not 'bad' because it supports more than just games. It's fucking great!

Nobody wants to own 'just' a gaming console these days. I'm sorry your Atari didn't come with Laserdisc support but if you honestly think that the end of gaming is a continuation and evolution of multimedia options that existed in the previous systems then that tells me you're just a moron of monolithic proportions. I don't need an Xbox One commercial to show me games because A), those games have their own commercials, and B), they aren't selling it to me. I know what the Xbox One is, I know what it does and what it is. But your average Joe might see the name Xbox and think games, then they see a commercial with all this not-game stuff and hey, they just realized it does more than games.

My Xbox playing Netflix is not a problem though. I mean really, how can you complain about the choice between A), playing games or watching Netflix, or B), only games? It's more! What is there to complain about? I'm sorry but I'm fucking sick and tired of the crotchety-old circlejerk by a ragtag-group of gen-x assholes that complain about everything that the crazy 'new kids' do. Music today isn't bad, food isn't bad, movies aren't bad, games aren't bad. Are there bad bands? Yeah, but it wasn't like 1990 arrived and suddenly bad music was created. Food is great, there's all sorts of crazy-ass fusion-ass mixin'-and-matchin' bullshit with ethnic cuisines and shit. It's cool. Movies are great too, and yes I've seen a lot of terrible pre-1990 movies. They exist, Paranormal Activity 4 isn't a summary of modern film and The Godfather isn't a summary of the 70's. And I know, you're frothing at your dentures because you once saw a picture on Facebook of some kid with low pants and a snapback and I'm sure he had SWAGYOLO tattoed on his arms and I'm sure he spit on your '83 Chrysler LeBaron and gosh darn are you excited for the pure thrill of behind-back internet bitching! Look at you man, I mean shit he basically keyed that cherry red baby by not looking towards its geographic location in that picture! Just think what that stupid fucking generation-Y babyfaced prick almost did to the LeBaron! Your baby should be treated like a queen man, now stop shaking because you might spill your ovaltine on the fuzzy insides of her and that would be terrible because yes, the carpets match the drapes and goddamn if you had a brown stain on the carpets... oh man! I mean shit you used to be cool man, yeah, before these fucking new kids on the block rolled up. You could pull outside the In-N-Out in your cherry LeBaron and man you were cash money! The babes rolled right up and then when they were in your sites, bam! Down the top goes! That's right you opted for the convertible because you take life by the fucking horns man! There's a reason you got the 2.2 and not the 2.5, and sure a modern day hoodlum might scoff at the 0.3 liter difference but you know that the turbocharger was worth it and yeah, the years haven't been kind on old Betty but shit man even with the lag that turbo still brings the seniors to your yard and with them packing the place the fucking peacoat-wearing twenty-first century ruffian assholes don't have any place to loiter. These assholes wouldn't know the time of the day but thanks to the old ticker in Betty you know it's 9:52 PST and shit man, NCIS is almost on some channel, so you better put all hundred and fifty horses to the pedal and when the engine starts roaring you'll hear the knock knock knockin' and you're putting off taking old Betty in but you know you should, what with the age and whatnot, and truthfully you'll suck it up and pull her into Meineke's and they'll tell you the brakes are fine and off to some backroad car doctor you go, and he'll turn around and say, well truthfully I don't care. Just because consoles and video games do a lot of things today and the old ones didn't isn't a bad thing. And you know what?

Old games suck. There I said it. Fuck me because I want a 20 hour cinematic experience. Instead I should ask for some good old sidescrolling combat where it's so difficult it takes me 20 hours to complete because even though the total length is one hour at most I die so much it elongates it. Guess what, that's the secret to old games. Of course I'm talking pre-3d but hey, I guess since we're all being fair and rational I should dabble into the jumpy z-fighting experience of early 3D and the blubby, blurry mess of PS2-era games.

I've played a lot of terrible games on both systems. Just because you saw a headline for an article about a quote about the repairment of Battlefield 4's buggy code does not mean modern games bad old games good. It's ignorant and naive to think that modern games are 'bad' because they are too easy or too cool for school. Go play Dark Souls, go play I don't know, Volgarr the Viking or something. Just because you want your digital love in the BDSM genre doesn't mean I shouldn't have a good time going shoot shoot bang bang.

Modern games are rad you old cretins.


And yes, I know, it's just your opinion and this is mine. But your opinion is wrong.
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Re: Downward Trend
Reply #14 - 01/19/14 at 01:36:02
 
Meh.

Its only natural you wouldn't miss what you never experienced. All those features are great, but ya didn't really respond to much in particular.
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