Since I notice some of the same things coming up about the TT wars. I'll elaborate on my involvement on the matter.

When the game first came out I was obviously very displeased with it, and for a WIDE variety of reasons.... I tried to play it but it really wouldn't stick. I felt it was an inferior gameplay experience, and obviously could articulate very well as to WHY and HOW this was the case. I had played TMBO and TM2PC for eons and know how the depth works in those games, and this one just didn't even hold a candle.

After voicing my opinions, it became apparent very quickly that some others took bits and pieces of my issues and condensed them into slanderous and outright incorrect pieces of information.

HB, P7, and Tyrant were the big three back then, and some threads they OR OTHERS would mention things like:

"Oh the ones who dislike the new game hate the homing missiles" or
"they wanted TMBO 2"...

So imagine reading that in some random thread, after having taken EXTREME TIME and care to detail how and why i felt the new game wasn't up to par gameplay wise? It was infuriating to be misquoted and tarred as some hater for reasons that were completely false. I had to jump in and correct these false and slanderous statements. How is it wrong to defend one's self. And not to mention nothing was done about this constant slander thrown around. So i had to do something.

Sadly, correcting this shit never solved anything, HB and crew KEPT REPEATING THIS SHIT. The mods I reached out to to stop this slander from happening time and time again, didnt really do much.

Prime examples of shit i had to deal with every fucking thread, and slander at its finest:

HB: "people who dislike the new game just want TMBO style missiles"
ME: "No, I want missiles that act and behave how TM has always had missiles...TMX missiles are generally too fast, spammy, and undodgeable... I want unique and deep missiles like it was in all the games of series, tmb included"
HB: "nah you just want TMBO missiles"
ME: "no..."
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HB: "you want to be able to have lots of dodging, like in TMBOl"
Me: "dodging was in EVERY SINGLE TM game, TMB/O included. TMBO didnt invent dodging to the series..."
HB: Rinse repeat same slander statement in another thread.
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HB: "You are a TMBO fanboy and just want a TMBO sequel and hate change"
ME: "No i played TM2PC for 8 years, it was my favourite, and I didn't mind change from TM2 to TMB one bit"
HB: Rinse repeat same slander sentence in another thread
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Notice the trend of TMBO that i never bring up but apparently is my core issue?

And the damage that this sort of shit does is catastrophic.

"Ignore it" you say? Well not so fast.

Noobs and people who dont really understand my concepts or my explanations cling to these statements and regurgitate them like clockwork.

Pretty soon the entire board was filled with the notions that we hated silly little things here and there and having entirely WELL THOUGHT OUT AND SMART points reduced to "they want TMBO style homings" was awful.

This helped fuel the entirely fake "TMBO fanboys hate the new game" and imaginary/make believe concepts that we hated TMX for no reason. Pretty shitty.

So really what do I do? Allow this shit to take place... hell no, I wont.

Another important piece to note, and this is of no offense whatsoever:

If you never played the older games like I did, then you wont have a fucking inkling of a clue as to wtf i was talking about when i was dissecting the gameplay of the new game (HB, P7, Tyrant)... so its easy to just make up your own assumptions as to WHAT I AM SAYING when you have zero understanding of the subject matter.

Its like someone attending and listening to a seminar on quantum physics when you haven't made it past the 8th grade in science.

Im the type of person that will not stand back and watch myself and my friends opinions be warped and maligned into something they are not. And especially not when its being told im being disrespectful. When I am clearly not. Like ive said before, just because someone screams something at the top of their lungs a million times, doesnt make it true.

If I see incorrect information about anything TM in general, or blatant lies... I would jump in and defend what is true. Im sorry folks, but the game didnt really function at launch, and YES we had people here who literally said we were making it up. I was called a liar countless times for this.

This website in its prime, used to stand for intelligent discussion and very deep thinking about TM games in general. Gameplay concepts and depth were discussed in the utmost length. Most of these members that participated are gone, as its been years since the older games have been around... and really all thats left are mostly non-TM vet people and a bunch of forum vets. Back then we would shut down any misinformation very quickly, and we took pride on being informed and educated (awards were dealt for intelligent and thoughtful posts to which i had numerous). If you didn't know wtf you were talking about, you didn't have much place to voice an opinion, or lie. If you did, you were reprimanded for that.

Ten years later however, we have people spreading lies, and tarnishing what is factually accurate and correct.

You have people like Hellbent talking straight outta their ass about stuff he hasn't got an ounce of experience in: the online Twisted Metal games. (Or at least not even close to enough experience to justify his opinions)

Hell you guys might have seen some of the quotes he has put out that are just so far from being right they arent even wrong. They're far past being wrong to the point where one's intellect is damaged should they read it.

Holy shit we even had people CLAIM that dodging in previous TM games was a glitch and an exploit. And that homing parameters for weapons were just accidental.

Guess what guys? Some things arent opinions. Theyre facts. Sorry that hurts anyone's feelings. But if there is enough evidence to suggest something, it just might be the case. You can argue till the cows come home that Spectre sucks in TM2PC, but you'd be wrong. Dead wrong.

Unfortunately Hellbent has such a problem with being corrected that he thinks its an issue of ego, or that I am disagreeing just because of who he is. He doesnt really know me, or many other people who played the games, so to his credit its understandable why he might jump to that conclusion.

However back in the day, when someone with experience was talking, you listened and learned how and why you are wrong. Not in this man's case. He started wars simply because he couldn't accept simple facts from people who played the games and knew wtf they were talking about. Unfortunately when someone yells the loudest usually they win out, and as such the noobs and lesser minds somehow believed his BS time and time again.

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So for me, my part, I jump in when I see something wrong. And back then, it was mostly slander directed at me and others. Tarred and feathered for doing things we didnt do, and hating the new games for reasons that were not correct. Defending one's self and one's opinoins apparently is pretty bad, and means im starting shit right?

And im just as guilty? Gimme a break.

After seeing what shitheaps of lies and crap can do, and how it goes unpunished... it became clear to me that this site is no longer for me.

EDIT: And its a known fact people used to bash the fuck out of TMBO and constantly spew lies (gee could that be hellbent again?) and even come onto TMBO general to do such. Nothing was ever done about that back in the day.

A few notes. Again, just on the Brawl side of things:

You guys keep saying we're punishing everybody for HB's behavior. No. We're punishing anybody that partakes in that behavior, HB or not. It's stupid to make a rule that only applies to one person. Are you stirring shit? Probably not - so it doesn't apply to you. If you decide to stay, keep on doing whatever you're doing on the General Discussion forum, talking about games, music, TV, movies, whatever uninterrupted.

Also, before I get lynched, I want to clarify that I HAVE talked to Mort about HB and his behavior in the past on numerous occasions.

Manta Ray wrote on 03/17/13 at 22:08:17:

*Raises hand*

By the way, I agree with the vets. I never seen a forum where the mods were not allowed to fix a problem by banning someone and if they do, their mod status gets removed.

NightShade wrote on 03/17/13 at 21:28:29:




If you decide to stay, keep on doing whatever you're doing on the General Discussion forum, talking about games, music, TV, movies, whatever uninterrupted.

XIZOR wrote on 03/18/13 at 00:18:25:



I don't get why the name matters so much, but if you all care so much I don't see why we can't switch it back. The name is nothing to me, I just thought it might make it more clear to people that are new here to keep it a little civil. I feel like we've all moved past the "brawling" for sport thing - or at least want to - so it seems outdated.

As for shit disappearing, I don't know what the fuck happened. I didn't touch anything. Could be somebody tried to un-sticky them and they got eaten by one of the numerous glitches around here? Dunno.

And again, I get it. As I said in my first post in this thread, TMA looks to me to be virtually dead at this point. With the community leaving, all that's left is a virtual statue. Just figured it might be worth trying something new before shutting the doors.

I don't blame you or anybody else for being pissed and not trusting me, I know I should've been more present around here, but I haven't for a plethora of reasons and for that I apologize. But the whole point of these rules was to make it a more civil and enjoyable place to be for people that hate the current discourse around here so much. And I have every intent on enforcing them.

I do hope I can keep in touch with you all that are leaving, at least through XBL, PSN etc. The friendships I've forged here are what have kept me around for as long as I have been around (again, I know I've been AWOL in recent times, but I was consistently active on TMA for at least a decade).

And for the record, I'm certainly not blaming vets for the problems around here.

I've been on TMA since the olden days of past yonder, but I really can't see a huge problem with the temp TMA except for the fact that every damn thread turns into a fucking brawl.
An intelligent argument is completely fine and honestly people who hold an intelligent conversation on this forum is very limited. I'm sure many other people would participate if it wasn't really boring and if people didn't feel like they would be blasted down if they posted (how I feel at times)
Also by the time I venture into any thread there's already a fight going on between HB and Roadie. So why comment when it gets overshadowed?
So hopefully this sequel to TMA (2.0) breaths new life and energy to a very deserving video game franchise we call Twisted Metal.

I've been posting here for close to 11 years.  I'll be brief.

-To deny that Brawl is what held TMA together through the dark ages is an argument so weak, it's almost laughable.  I barely post at Brawl, but I read it pretty regularly.  It's culture is unique, and to destroy it would be a disaster and a huge "fuck you" to the community.  I would argue that to remove Brawl would destroy the community.

-TMA is a Twisted Metal fansite first and foremost.  Love of Twisted Metal (and hate of TM3/4) is the only thing that unites us.  However, we should recognize and accept that each of us is going to have different preferences among the titles.  That should be okay, since TM1 and TMX are VERY different games.  So long as nobody tries to compare TMX to TM3, we should all be cool.

-The lack of TMA 2.0 has always been disappointing, but I've never felt anger or resentment towards Mort.  People grow and change, and keeping a fansite up is a huge commitment.  I think being angry with Mort for the delays in getting TMA 2.0 up is unrealistically demanding of a guy who owes you nothing.

-By the time we see a new Twisted Metal I will likely be in a very different point in my life.  I hate to see TMA go away, as I've always identified strongly with it, but we are entering into a new dark age- a gap between games.  The TMA community stands sharply divided, much more so than we were between TMB and TMHO, and TMHO and TMX.  I hope it survives.