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Re: State of the Alliance address - March, 2013
Reply #150 - 03/29/13 at 07:17:33
 
If you truly consider yourself loyal to TMA, now that HB is gone, you should be doing everything in your power, as someone that cares so much about TMA, to bring everyone back. That goes to all the admins and ex-staff that are over there now. Show me this was all about HB, and not me. Then I won't take it personally like I am right now. Is that really clouded judgment?

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Reply #151 - 03/29/13 at 11:48:09
 
So you are saying no more hellbent for a year or more?

Shit negro, that's all you had to say!

I know I don't post much anyway, because I tend not to post unless I can add something new to the thread, but no hellbent would make everyone happy.  I think.

And we need to be able to post whatever pictures we want, because some threads over at BOG are hilarious because we have no censorship over there.  Because none is needed.
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Re: State of the Alliance address - March, 2013
Reply #152 - 03/29/13 at 13:26:13
 
TMA is still a haven of Twisted that cannot be found anywhere else. And although I'm not a frequent poster (since I'm not a brawler), I feel it necessary to show my support for the community. A few Twisted Metals are and will always be either my favorite (TM2 & TM2PC) games of all time or damn close to it (TM1). While I don't yet find TMX as great as TM1 and TM2, I strongly feel that is mostly due to the manner in which it is popularly played (we need more quality unranked matches!).

I believe many of us know Mort's passion for TMA is fueled almost exclusively by TM, otherwise he wouldn't have named it TMA! As long as Mort still loves TM, I think he'll still love TMA. I also don't believe Mort has been treated fairly on this post by some, and it's quite unfortunate. After all, we are all still human even if we just see walls of text from each other... we all make mistakes. And personally, I view Mort's devotion to TMA 2.0 as plenty of evidence for still being loyal to the community.
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Reply #153 - 03/29/13 at 17:29:13
 
“I don't actually believe Xizor has control of 30 people, I'm just playing devil's advocate and just going with that as if it was truth since he says it with such pride; I'm entertaining his reality for arguments sake.”

No I am in control of them. They all wear electronic collars and if they don’t do what I say I electrocute the shit out of them.


“I haven't even been invited to BGA, how could my feelings not be hurt?”

OH! Look who wants to be a part of the Brawl/Cool crowd NOW! Look who’s the traitor NOW! Where is your loyalty to TMA NOW Mort?!


“If you truly consider yourself loyal to TMA, now that HB is gone, you should be doing everything in your power, as someone that cares so much about TMA, to bring everyone back. That goes to all the admins and ex-staff that are over there now. Show me this was all about HB, and not me. Then I won't take it personally like I am right now. Is that really clouded judgment?”

I feel you man and I’m sorry about all this but it is the way it is. Nothing is stopping anyone from posting on both sites. I’m pretty sure at least half the people over there will still check or post on TMA. Pretty much every time I log in to TMA I see at least two or three people that “left” logged in here and its hard to break the habit of 5-10 years of coming to TMA every day, believe me. But, we do have something good going on there right now and I want to see it through whether its just a fad that will fade and people lose interest or it becomes something really great.


“You don't think taking Alliance was in poor taste, and disrespectful to me? No one owns the word, but come on man, of all the words in the world you can use for your site (use a thesaurus), you take that one name from the place you just abandoned?”

It was homage to our roots. It’s a word. Don’t be a baby. Can we call it the Dented Steel Allegiance? Maybe the Crumpled Alloy Coalition? I sort of like The Bastards of Twisted Metal Alliance myself.  Cheesy


“Complete transparency? I gave you that now with this topic.”

Yeah, you gave it to us NOW. Where has it been for the last five years?


“I did chuckle when you said "redheaded step child of TMA", when you post in red.”

Dammit. I didn’t think anyone would pick up on that bit of irony.


“BTW I never held any animousity for you since you were demoted, I knew you wanted to get back on staff again, so I expected the best behaviour from you. So it seemed like with your replies to this topic you had not let go of a lot of your issues with me, and you feel I chose HB over you or something. Infact everyone feels like I chose HB over everything, despite outlining new rules to treat everyone equally, like the supposed democracy you left for.”

I never held any for you either. My statements in this thread were made on behalf of my friends and I and are the culmination of years of pent up feelings and opinions so it probably seems like I’m being aggressive just because I have so much to say all at once. It did kind of seem like you chose Hellbent over us and that you just didn’t care in general.


“HB will be gone at least until 2.0”

That right there is going to be a deal breaker to many people. You do realize that right? As we all know, he can’t help himself. I’m all for second chances but this guy has had thousands of second chances and never taken any of them.


“If everyone returns all will be forgiven. We can hold elections and elect new staff mods that will uphold the new rules. Since you're so popular, I'm sure you'll get elected. We can bring back brawl. The first ever TMA election! Dim Shades would love that, right? He's the politics guy. I also want to assign new commishes, and get that stuff going again before 2.0. I'm here now, I'm all ears, I want to get involved in the community more. We need to elect new mods & commishes. I'm all about democracy! But if you're just enjoying BGA too much right now (I understand it is the honeymoon period right now), and this is all bad timing, welcome to the club.”

Like I said before some of us are still here technically but I see no reason to make a huge push to come back right away. This place seems kind of dead and I think all of us are simply tired of the temp site at this point. For some reason things have almost never been right here and most of the Admins and Mods are tired of deleting spam bots every day. Keeping Brawl clean is like a full time job.

How about we just see if you’ll actually stick around this time and live up to your word first. I think that would be the first step in showing some good faith to the community.

I will however return and take an Admin position if possible at a later time. That way when Hellbent does come back and acts up I can ban him myself and not have to feel one bit of guilt in doing it. You know, to make the hard choices that need to be made so that others don’t have to make them. Because I’m the hero TMA deserves. But not the one it needs right now.


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Re: State of the Alliance address - March, 2013
Reply #154 - 03/29/13 at 18:26:20
 
XIZOR wrote on 03/29/13 at 17:29:13:
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Reply #155 - 03/29/13 at 18:29:03
 
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Re: State of the Alliance address - March, 2013
Reply #156 - 03/29/13 at 23:46:47
 
DARKFORCE wrote on 03/29/13 at 18:29:03:


I definitely listened to that from start to finish, and I'm not ashamed
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Reply #157 - 03/30/13 at 01:36:41
 
XIZOR wrote on 03/29/13 at 17:29:13:
Because I’m the hero TMA deserves. But not the one it needs right now.


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Reply #158 - 03/30/13 at 02:46:33
 
I'm one of those people that didn't want to delete their profile from here. This place has become like a second home to me, like it has for a lot of people here, and that's not something I can just easily get up and walk away from. Take it for what it is, but at the end of the day, I've been pretty damn loyal to this site. It might not look like it, but I've spent countless hours on TT, not just Brawl.. And not to mention late nights and a ton of time spent writing fanfics for the community to read (and hopefully enjoy). I did all this out of my love for Twisted Metal. I can't speak for everyone, but TM is and always will be the root reason for why I'm still here. Hence why when loyalties are being called out, I got pissed off and made some of the replies here. My reason for leaving was solely because of Hellbent. But it seems like you're finally coming around, or at least I'm hoping that's what the deal is. Now it's time to sit back and see how it pans out.
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Re: State of the Alliance address - March, 2013
Reply #159 - 03/30/13 at 04:14:56
 
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Welcome to the site, played with you many many times over the last year. ggs.

@Magnum

I didn't mean it like that, I meant for our staff that is currently participating over there (and that is most of them), now that HB is no longer here, I would hope you would be trying to get our old posters to return back, so we can rebuild brawl. Hellbent is not here to terrorize you all anymore, it's safe, you can once again sleep at night. The nightmare is over.

@lemmywinks

No censorship? I don't think TMA should be used as a place to post porn (if that's what you mean). I would expect it is offensive to the female posters we have (and have had/lost), and I wouldn't think this would be the right place for it. I haven't been around to police that when it happened here, but from this day forth I want absolutely zero porn on TMA. If BOG allows that then it does have a purpose after all (but again, there are tons of porn sites on the internet...).

@XIZOR

I was just making a point. Clearly there is some animousity against me because I was not invited, the whole thing was kept from me. P7 told me diddly squat, infact went out of his way to tell people NOT to tell me that he was involved. How do I not take this as disloyalty and a slam against me? We were supposed to be friends.

I like those names, good use of that thesaurus!

I'm here now, you can't keep harking back to the fact I wasn't here before as a defense to every argument. I'm trying to do the right thing now, I'm offering you elections, that democracy you love. I'm trying to make right. But you say this place just wasn't right anyway, but BOG is? (whatever that stands for now) So Temp TMA wasn't right without me, I'll take that as a compliment. Well, as I've said and I'll say it again, I'm here now.

On 2.0 HB will be on probation, even if that just means he is only allowed on the TM boards. If he goes back to his old ways then one of our new admins will do the right thing. I can assure you that HB will never be a problem again on TMA, because we are still friends and he understands what happened and his mistakes. He knows he went too far. He's really sorry he caused me all this headache, and I have to believe him. But I'm not giving him another chance if he fucks up again.

TMA is dead right now, because you guys orchestrated a swift exit lol. If you came back, it'll be alive again. As for the spam problem, we could tackle that with a combined effort of nuking all the spam accounts and not letting new ones register. People just have to put themselves up for nomination to be mods, and the elections can begin. Eventually we'd have no spam again, and then it won't feel like a full-time job. But if it just doesn't seem worth it, you can't say I didn't try and offer solutions.

Now you're making me feel like I'm on probation, that I need to prove myself. I haven't done enough already? HB is gone, I've outlined the direction of the site, I've offered elections, and I've been honest about everything. I've heard all your grievances, I've taken responsibility for my mistakes. But everyone here has made mistakes, hindsight is 20/20. It's about moving forward, and not moving away. I've extended the olive branch.

You sound like the perfect admin, where were you all this time? You could have simply banned HB and saved me all this headache. YOU'RE HIRED! It pays in dimes too so you'll like that.

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So are we cool now? I don't want to be your enemy, or anyones. I also felt like people felt I wasn't doing enough for the site because I wasn't here, when I was putting in 1000's of hours into 2.0. Time that at times I wanted back after seeing how I was being treated in my absense. But I'm over that now, I just want to move on.
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Reply #160 - 03/30/13 at 11:21:46
 
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I'm sure most would return to the site, but as the site is right now, it's broken.

We've put up with the spam for a while (not nearly as badly as the Mods have) and I think it's safe to say that, we would all rather the site be updated with new software. The site is nearly dead, why not take this chance to update before it becomes full of activity again?

1. New separate boards contained within TT: TMB/O, TMX, TM2 and other TMs

2: Bring BOTW back, I'm sure someone will chime in and say... "WE WANT OUR PORN"...lol.

Make BOTW a mature audience only board, like an "Not responsible for content" type area. There can be some rules, but I wouldn't take the rules to far. Require a minimum of 10 posts (quality, non spam, just to keep n00bs out) before you can post in BOTW.

3: Keep general discussion open for other purposes. New posters, "rule" posts. Anything non TM related, just like BOTW is, but sanitized.

As for mods, I nominate (in no particular order) Roadie, P7, Xiz, KillerGreen and myself....
Everyone listed loves TMA and some even love TM more than TMA.
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Reply #161 - 03/30/13 at 18:02:35
 
joe twisted wrote on 03/29/13 at 23:46:47:
I definitely listened to that from start to finish, and I'm not ashamed


You are not alone Joe so don’t feel ashamed. I think everyone is guilty of jock rocking their life from time to time with a good old 80’s movie montage style power ballad.


“No censorship? I don't think TMA should be used as a place to post porn (if that's what you mean). I would expect it is offensive to the female posters we have (and have had/lost), and I wouldn't think this would be the right place for it. I haven't been around to police that when it happened here, but from this day forth I want absolutely zero porn on TMA. If BOG allows that then it does have a purpose after all (but again, there are tons of porn sites on the internet...)”

We don’t just post straight up porn but we had a thread here and have one at BoG where Playboy level pictures and links only to anything controversial are posted in it. We try and keep it classy even though it doesn’t matter at BoG but to be honest, it’s a pretty popular thread. Nightshade always allowed it here as long as we weren’t crossing the line and we always tried to respect that. Female posters aren’t offended by this, or at least not Nina, and Roadie is always free to post sexy dudes in it to keep things equal.
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“Clearly there is some animousity against me because I was not invited, the whole thing was kept from me. P7 told me diddly squat, infact went out of his way to tell people NOT to tell me that he was involved. How do I not take this as disloyalty and a slam against me? We were supposed to be friends.”

Come on man. Do you really think anyone wanted to be the one to hurt your feelings and tell you we started another site made up almost entirely of ex-TMA members from the regulars all the way up to the staff? Of course they didn’t. And you can be mad at P7 all you want for what seems like stabbing you in the back but to be honest he was just looking out for the community because we all thought TMA was just a lost cause at that point in time.

Again, you are making it seem like the point was to get away from you when you clearly know better. You weren’t invited for what should be a plethora of obvious reasons, but the main one is simply that, like you’ve admitted, you were never concerned with being apart of the Brawl crowd. You haven’t posted on Brawl in an eternity. What on earth would make any of us think you would suddenly be interested in joining the group other than to just poke around and see if anything was being said about you at the other site?

And that last line “we were supposed to be friends”. Yeah, we WERE supposed to be friends. A few people here are your friends, but most of us are just your “friend” by association and don’t really know you all that well, especially the newer posters. Let me put it to you this way. Have you ever had a good friend who you didn’t talk to for many years, and then when you see them again later on down the line you’re like “oh, hey, what’s up man” and you respect each other and the history you shared together, but its not quite the same. You’ve both probably changed and you’ve been out of touch for so long that you don’t really know how to properly relate any more? That’s sort of what this is like if that makes any sense. The Brawl crowd has changed a bit since you last remember it. Different people, different vibe, new posters that you don’t know and a whole four year history of things that you don’t have a clue about from inside jokes, to important events that shaped us into what we’ve become. So to expect everyone to be your best friend just because you showed up suddenly is a bit unrealistic. Again,  please, please don’t think I’m being an ass. I’m not saying that to be mean at all. Just trying to give you a different perspective on it.


“I'm here now, you can't keep harking back to the fact I wasn't here before as a defense to every argument.”

We don’t mean to keep harking back to that, but it is a perfectly reasonable argument that is the root cause of almost all these problems. We’ve squashed that at this point I think and we understand that you regret that you weren’t around, but admitting it doesn’t change the fact.

And to be honest, personally, I don’t find your reason/excuse to be completely foolproof. I mean, I understand you were working hard on 2.0 all this time, but didn’t you ever just take a break and make a sandwich and think, “you know, I’m working on this new TMA thing, I wonder what the actual TMA is up to”? No? Never? You never had a single minute of free time just to pop in ever? No one can refute how hard you were working on 2.0 or Project X because we don’t really know, but to say you NEVER had time to post here? Come on. That’s ludicrous.


“TMA is dead right now, because you guys orchestrated a swift exit lol.”

OH! Look who is right on the cusp of admitting who is the real lifeblood around here. Go on. Tell us how pretty we all are and how much you love us. I myself am not above flattery Mr. Mort.


“You sound like the perfect admin, where were you all this time? You could have simply banned HB and saved me all this headache. YOU'RE HIRED! It pays in dimes too so you'll like that.”

Uh….I was here, fighting Hellbent in the trenches like the rest of us but I didn’t have the power to strike the final blow. And I sound like the perfect Admin? Duh. That’s because I would be.
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I also feel like DARKFORCE’s terms are pretty reasonable and agreeable.


“Now you're making me feel like I'm on probation, that I need to prove myself.”

That’s right Mortimer. YOU’RE ON MODERATION SUCKA!

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Re: State of the Alliance address - March, 2013
Reply #162 - 03/30/13 at 18:45:47
 
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Now stfu and stay here. I haven't even read your post yet but will in 2 minutes.
Flit between both sites but help keep TMA alive please.

Hoping that the last few replies from peeps have helped clear the air and rekindle old friendships?*






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Reply #163 - 03/31/13 at 02:19:56
 
@DARKFORCE

I've been planning on upgrading YABB to the latest version and hope that fixes the spam problem, but I won't be changing the forum system itself between now and 2.0 (e.g. to whatever you're using at BOG). Why? Because I don't particularly want to have to convert forum posts from 2 seperate forums (yabb is pretty simple txt file system) to 2.0, especially if you had another more professional forum system in mind to replace this (which uses mysql or something then things get a lot more complicated to convert forums).

1. We will be doing that.

2. Mature audience... hmmm... because brawl was so immature. Gotcha!

3. That's a good idea, I didn't think to do that initially. So we keep Gen Disc as is, then Brawl as the spin-off board for mature content that has stricter admittance (with someone acting as a bouncer), and we can move all those brawl topics over from gen disc. I'll talk it over with Night IF HE WAS ONLINE.

I'd accept your nominations if everyone returns and leaves the new site, because I want this place to serve all your needs like it did before. BOG is redundant now if you all come back and we get these elections started. I don't see the point you guys going back and forth between 2 sites serving the same purpose, do you? Especially if I make all these changes for you. But you might all still need more time to make that decision.

@XIZOR

I'm fine with that as long as things were kept classy, but at the same time I don't want to offend people. Some religous people, the pope, and plenty of the gays/ladies don't want to look at that shit, just like we don't want to look at 'sexy dudes'. But if they're super progressive and don't have a problem with it, I'm fine. Especially if Brawl becomes a 'basement' type forum with stricter admittance.

I don't have any hard feelings for you guys that left, you were just escaping to a place free of HB. But when you are the guy (P7 in this case) that provides this place, and you're good friends and respect the guy that founded the place you left, the least you could do is let him know first so it doesn't hit him like a bus. P7 had a responsibility to let me know and he chose not to. Infact he still hasn't explained anything to me. What does that say?

I was talking about P7 & myself were friends. Sure I'm friends with everyone here by association, and the fact we're all TM fans. You're all my twisted motherfuckers! But myself & HB, like myself & P7, have more of a personal relationship, and I just expected more from P7. Especially after all I've done for him, but whatever he's made his bed I've made mine.

::eats sandwich:: Reason for no updates wasn't about lack of time, I'd already made the decision I had to finish 2.0 before I posted. So much time passed that TMX came out, so I had to post or it would look even worse. Once you make a committment to something, a decision, you have to stick by it. Not everything people do in this world requires some huge explanation, sometimes the simple ones are the most truthful. ::eats another sandwich:: I'm not gonna make up some big elaborate bunch of excuses to get more understanding, it was just a bad call controlled my by focus and determination to finish 2.0 as my return. ::eats last sandwich:: I also didn't even think I was that important to TMA as a poster, but obviously I was mistaken. I was happy to let you guys run the roost, and if anyone needed me for anything I'm only a keystroke away. I didn't realise people wanted more from me than just finishing 2.0.

Screw you guys, I'm going home.
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Reply #164 - 03/31/13 at 02:54:39
 
Mortimer wrote on 03/31/13 at 02:19:56:
@DARKFORCE

I've been planning on upgrading YABB to the latest version and hope that fixes the spam problem, but I won't be changing the forum system itself between now and 2.0 (e.g. to whatever you're using at BOG). Why? Because I don't particularly want to have to convert forum posts from 2 seperate forums (yabb is pretty simple txt file system) to 2.0, especially if you had another more professional forum system in mind to replace this (which uses mysql or something then things get a lot more complicated to convert forums).

1. We will be doing that.

2. Mature audience... hmmm... because brawl was so immature. Gotcha!

3. That's a good idea, I didn't think to do that initially. So we keep Gen Disc as is, then Brawl as the spin-off board for mature content that has stricter admittance (with someone acting as a bouncer), and we can move all those brawl topics over from gen disc. I'll talk it over with Night IF HE WAS ONLINE.

I'd accept your nominations if everyone returns and leaves the new site, because I want this place to serve all your needs like it did before. BOG is redundant now if you all come back and we get these elections started. I don't see the point you guys going back and forth between 2 sites serving the same purpose, do you? Especially if I make all these changes for you. But you might all still need more time to make that decision.

@XIZOR

I'm fine with that as long as things were kept classy, but at the same time I don't want to offend people. Some religous people, the pope, and plenty of the gays/ladies don't want to look at that shit, just like we don't want to look at 'sexy dudes'. But if they're super progressive and don't have a problem with it, I'm fine. Especially if Brawl becomes a 'basement' type forum with stricter admittance.

I don't have any hard feelings for you guys that left, you were just escaping to a place free of HB. But when you are the guy (P7 in this case) that provides this place, and you're good friends and respect the guy that founded the place you left, the least you could do is let him know first so it doesn't hit him like a bus. P7 had a responsibility to let me know and he chose not to. Infact he still hasn't explained anything to me. What does that say?

I was talking about P7 & myself were friends. Sure I'm friends with everyone here by association, and the fact we're all TM fans. You're all my twisted motherfuckers! But myself & HB, like myself & P7, have more of a personal relationship, and I just expected more from P7. Especially after all I've done for him, but whatever he's made his bed I've made mine.

::eats sandwich:: Reason for no updates wasn't about lack of time, I'd already made the decision I had to finish 2.0 before I posted. So much time passed that TMX came out, so I had to post or it would look even worse. Once you make a committment to something, a decision, you have to stick by it. Not everything people do in this world requires some huge explanation, sometimes the simple ones are the most truthful. ::eats another sandwich:: I'm not gonna make up some big elaborate bunch of excuses to get more understanding, it was just a bad call controlled my by focus and determination to finish 2.0 as my return. ::eats last sandwich:: I also didn't even think I was that important to TMA as a poster, but obviously I was mistaken. I was happy to let you guys run the roost, and if anyone needed me for anything I'm only a keystroke away. I didn't realise people wanted more from me than just finishing 2.0.

Screw you guys, I'm going home.


I dont know what you are talking about. I replied to your long ass email where you told me you were disgusted by me and told me you no longer wanted me to be your friend. I replied to that and havent had a response from you in almost 3 days. I figured didnt reply because you actually came to your senses or was actually ashamed, didnt bother coming up with a reply, or cooking up some huge ass email for me to read again.

Either way, it does not matter. The community still exists. You wouldnt believe me if I told you 100 times that you were not available when I wanted to discuss with you. So, what do I do? If you want to keep playing the blame game, it isnt going to work. I refuse to get shit on at TMA again. TMAers were jumping ship before BoG was even created. That is a fact. If you want me to continue, please keep throwing my name under the bus. but what you said to me Mort in that email of yours was horrible. Absolutely horrible. My stomach was in knots from your heartless words for hours.

Just read what I sent you days ago. I replied to your email. Mod perl.
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