“So you believe HB, the compulsive liar? You contradict so much of what you say. On one hand I'm not supposed to believe HB, or do, and you do, but don't, or do, I can't keep track when to believe HB. Why would anyone believe anything he says coming from me? If I have something to say, I say it; I don't say it through HB, or P7, or anyone. I never told him you would be banned for slandering TMX, besides, you didn't do that and you moved on, proving him wrong and you gullible. So if HB tried to threaten you something, using my name, like you used my name to attack him (that we are fuck buddies or something), it's all the same thing right?”
You have a point there I’ll give you that. However, there was another reason why I was inclined to believe this was true at the time other than just Hellbent’s word but that was at least a year ago and I can’t remember what it was now.
“So you're just bitter that I'm not your friend like I am other people here. I get that, but that's more a problem with you and not me. I can't force myself to be everyones friend, that would be disingenuous. Clearly you're cool enough to be a lot of peoples friends, but it's been a long bug up your butt that you aren't mine.”
Honestly I’m really not butthurt about you not being my friend at all. If you were cool, we would have already been friends because I’m friends with everyone at TMA that’s cool. You’re friends with Hellbent so clearly you don’t have good taste in friends so it all makes sense that because I’m super fucking awesome we wouldn’t be friends.
OOOOOOOH SNAP!
“You never saw the old TMA, it had boards for mods & admins, and you'd have been a part of that. But oh well.”
I’m guessing you mean the back end of the site because obviously I’ve seen old TMA. You mean I could’ve hung out in the VIP section? Awww Mort, that’s so sweet. Just make sure and buy me a drink before you frisk me.
“I handled everything on old TMA, Night was supposed to handle everything here. Did I do anything majorly wrong on old TMA? You cite some things, but nothing major. If your main problem is what happened here, it does fall on Night. But he clearly did not have the time for it, neither did I. The mistake clearly was that we did not put you in charge of things, so we'll both take full responsibility there. But seriously, if I did give you updates on 2.0, would that make you hate HB any less? Would that really change anything? You guys still wouldn't have liked TMX, you still wouldn't have wanted to play 360/PS3 games with him anymore. After all, he became a terrible person over the last 2 years, and that's Temp TMA.”
Well, we knew Nightshade was sort of in charge here, obviously, but we always thought you were still calling the shots behind the scenes. Maybe if you would have MADE THAT CLEAR LIKE EVERYTHINGE ELSE YOU CHOSE TO TELL US FOUR YEARS LATER THERE WOULDN’T BE A PROBLEM NOW WOULD THERE?! So its Nightshades fault then, fine. FUCK YOU NIGHTSHADE YOU FUCKING LOSER! Is that better?
All joking aside, Nightshade has always been super approachable and understanding of how everyone feels and what they want and why. Maybe he can teach you how that works.
“I've been friends with HB since 2001, and I never read anything he posted on Brawl (and barely anything on TT because he didn't usually post on TM forums). You want me to correct everything he says?”
> I never read anything he posted on Brawl (and barely anything on TT because he didn't usually post on TM forums
> because he didn't usually post on TM forums
Finally! You confirm that he doesn’t know shit about TM. Thank you. Was that so hard?
No one man or woman has the time in his or her life to correct every stupid thing he says. You would need to hire an entire staff to try and handle that, and even then it would still be an insurmountable task. But you had to have seen some of the retardation coming from his replies and the simple notion that you, his friend, would call him out on his bullshit every now and again, would probably go a long way towards putting him in his place. You seem like you’d rather just ignore it and claim ignorance because you’re his friend. Whether that’s true or not, that’s what it seems like.
“I correct him on AIM when he says things wrong, but it doesn't stop him posting his opinions. I can't control him”
You mean the Webmaster doesn’t even have a ban or delete account button? Nightshade what the fuck dude, get this man a ban button please!
“It must really get under your goat that he's my friend and not you.”
I don’t have a goat but if I did I sure as hell wouldn’t let him lay on top of either of you.
“What can I possibly see in the guy? I don't know, he's funny, and under all that bravado is a real person (that you probably don't see on TMA)”
You seem to think that I don’t know the dude after ten years. What do I know? I know that underneath the Hellbent persona is a dude who can actually be funny and cool sometimes but the comedy is just a way to try and get people to like him because he’s really a sad, depressed, lonely dude who has no real friends where he lives so he clings to TMA for attention and acceptance. I’m no psychiatrist but I don’t need to be to see that. How many women who’ve come to TMA has he “fallen in love with”? Answer: all of them. Yeah, that’s sad. I’d almost feel bad for the guy but given his behavior towards all my friends and me I have no fucking sympathy for him.
“You don't think that was a good deal, the Blair thing? 3 months hosting, so he can have his own post that no one has to post in, the only post HE is allowed to post in. Controlled chaos, and you get 3 more months of great times with your best friends on TMA. If you want your own topic (you can have them for free btw), I'll give you one for just $100! So unless you donate $300 so Blair can't have that topic, you really can't talk. I put it out there many times we needed donations, and you aren't a stupid guy right? You can see the sidebar donation tallies, you can see how things don't add up. I try to help the site stay online by giving Blair his silly post, and it's "buying in". Ok... whatever, I'm the bad guy. But I do take full responsibility for that decision.”
I’m half way busting your balls on that one. Would I have done the same thing? Probably not. I’m of the mind of getting rid of worthless trash that brings down the entire site and community. But, I can see why you’d take free money. If I give you 300 dollars will you permanently ban Hellbent? Smell that cash Mort. You know you want it.
"You aren’t special aside from the fact that you can code and build cool as fuck websites"
“Ah that's hilarious, thanks for that back-handed compliment. I hope one day you get to see what I'm working on and DO think I'm special. I'm losing sleep at the moment, it would really help.”
I have no doubts it will be an epic website. I hope I can post there from my retirement home one day when you finally get the site done while I bounce my great grandson on my knee and tell him about the great TMA wars.
"I do hope one day to have my name in the credits of a video game though. You’ve really inspired me to reach for the stars. I hope to one day be as cool as you are."
“You're a funny guy. Hey, I also think HB is a funny guy. How do I choose?”
Most people just choose me, but everyone makes bad decisions in life. We all learn from our mistakes.
"Because it hadn’t gotten that bad at that point, and to be honest, a lot of us were acting like jerks so banning one person when I myself and others were doing the same thing isn’t the answer."
“This is what HB spins to me, that you guys do the exact same things he did and does, but you want him banned for it.”
I was completely to blame for my part in what is referred to now as “The Great War of TMA”. I apologized and moved on, Hellbent did not.
“It does look bad that HB was indeed the GhostMod”
Glad you can admit that. When are you gonna make Blair a ghostmod?
“It was simply a case of people complaining to me that Brawl was full of spam (this was a few weeks ago), and HB offered to clean up all the spam and I saw GhostMod as the best option.”
I would have probably went with, oh, any other option on the planet but again, we all make mistakes. I would take 100,000 spam bots over Hellbent any day. Those can be deleted, Hellbent apparently cannot be.
"The TMA name means almost nothing from Jaffe all the way down to the hardcore community."
“That hurts. Do people really believe that?”
Sorry, that comment was made spur of the moment to further entice Hellbent to reply with more bullshit. I didn’t really mean that. Obviously TMA means a lot to a lot of people otherwise we wouldn’t be having this conversation. I apologize for that.
By the way, I know you saw all that because you’ve taken quotes from my replies that are no longer there. So, did you see how Hellbent acts first hand now? Do you see? DO YOU SEE?
“I think you're speaking for yourself again”
Some of the things I say I am only speaking for myself, but as far as the bigger issues I’m speaking for lots of people and some of those people have expressed those same thoughts and concerns in this thread as well so you have to know that my words carry actual weight beyond just my own opinion.
“Your new site. Oh nice, so if this was in development 2-3 weeks ago, it meant all you guys were set on leaving anyway, and there was nothing I could have done or said to change it otherwise, and now everything you've said to this topic is just to justify your leaving..”
First off its not MY new site, its OUR new site. No one claims ownership of anything. It’s a democracy, not a dictatorship like apparently TMA is now. When are you gonna update the banner with pictures of Hitler and swastikas?
Yes, the site was underway before you made this post and we were all unsure about whether leaving was a good idea but this thread seems to have solidified it for many of us. That site was made purely to get away from Hellbent since clearly no one here was going take care of that problem so it wasn’t about getting away from you. Just thought I’d clear that up.
“Nah, this doesn't look half as bad as when David Jaffe left ESP just before TMX came out.”
Leave what exactly? They sure as shit never posted here, even back when everyone was friendly and excited for TMX. I think maybe you should reevaluate whether ESP and Jaffe were ever loyal to this site pre-TMX launch. We tried to get them to come here forever, but they were always too good for that.
“Now that Hellbent is suspended, Night can just as easily rename Brawl back, we can revise the rules, and make those new forums that DARKFORCE suggested. Your move Xizor, are you really loyal to TMA or do you prefer your new role as union leader?
I have to admit. I do like being the public face of the TMA rebellion. I can get use to this leadership thing. I seem to be pretty good at it. Maybe I can be Governor of TMA? Moses of TMA? I can reach across the isle and bring our two parties together.
“If no one comes back then clearly people have an issue with me and that's unfortunate. I never meant any ill-will on to people here, I always kept out of drama.”
I think we’re just gonna post up elsewhere for the time being and then when 2.0 rolls around we’ll see what’s up. I can’t speak for everyone though. Clearly anyone is free to post here or there but I think that maybe this community needs some time to heal. This place has been toxic for a while now and we all need to breathe some fresh air. Some of us will still be around from time to time but its really just depressing being here for the most part. None of us want this but until things can be put back in order I think this is for the best. I will say though, that no one will come back here as long as Hellbent has anything to do with this place. I think we can all put aside our feelings about how you’ve chosen to run, or not run, this website in the past, but again, I can’t speak for everyone. We will not stand for any more bullshit from Hellbent though.
“I still need help getting 2.0 ready, the problem is most of it is tedious tasks (e.g. databasing all the awards), which I have asked other people but they turned down. People not even in my all-elusive inner-circle. If you really care so much about TMA (and you clearly do else you would have gone ages ago), you'd still be loyal and I hope everyone would still feel like TMA is their home, and not orchestrate a walkout. It's sad it has come to this. I've assured you 2.0 is still coming, but that's not enough. I was mistaken to think it was. Night must also be greatly out of touch aswell because neither of us predicted this fallout. I underestimated the strength of your hate for HB. That ship has only sailed if you're on it. Sounds like you were on it starting exactly 3 weeks ago.”
I’d be down with helping archive TMA just because that would be in service to the history of TMA, which I was a part of a lot of it, and to its community. I’ll get in touch with you on AIM or something.
XIZORTMA: hi Mort it’s XIZOR
Mortimizer2000:
XIZORTMA: Mort, hey its me, what’s up dude
Mortimizer2000:
XIZORTMA: Mort you there?
Mortimizer2000:
XIZORTMA: Can we be friends dude?
Mortimizer2000:
XIZORTMA: Guess I’ll try back next year.
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