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Re: State of the Alliance address - March, 2013
Reply #120 - 03/26/13 at 01:23:40
 
I'm kind of wondering if Mort let go of the leash to see how Hellbent would act in public with his eye in view. I hope he took notes, because that was Hellbent Lite as far as I'm concerned.
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Reply #121 - 03/26/13 at 02:04:28
 
@XIZOR

So you believe HB, the compulsive liar? You contradict so much of what you say. On one hand I'm not supposed to believe HB, or do, and you do, but don't, or do, I can't keep track when to believe HB. Why would anyone believe anything he says coming from me? If I have something to say, I say it; I don't say it through HB, or P7, or anyone. I never told him you would be banned for slandering TMX, besides, you didn't do that and you moved on, proving him wrong and you gullible. So if HB tried to threaten you something, using my name, like you used my name to attack him (that we are fuck buddies or something), it's all the same thing right?

So you're just bitter that I'm not your friend like I am other people here. I get that, but that's more a problem with you and not me. I can't force myself to be everyones friend, that would be disingenuous. Clearly you're cool enough to be a lot of peoples friends, but it's been a long bug up your butt that you aren't mine. If you'd just been more patient for 2.0, you would see I'd be making a more active part to get involved in the community, and maybe it could have started then. You never saw the old TMA, it had boards for mods & admins, and you'd have been a part of that. But oh well.

I thought everyone knew why old TMA went down because Monkey King had to pull the plug? He was so ashamed he didn't even give me a heads-up warning, but he apologised after. Thank god for Nightshade. The fact Temp TMA sprung up meant I was no longer rushing to get something up myself, so I could then instead spend more time making it a lot better... and better... and so much better it never made my own deadlines. But we still have Temp TMA, right? No, we just have more drama apparently, and people walking out.

Servers were a lot more expensive to run back in the old TMA days, now they're a lot cheaper. This one only costs $35 a month, old TMA was $100 a month. MonkeyKing offered to be the server treasurer, I accepted, and he did a great service keeping TMA online for year after year. He didn't want any credit, didn't want anyone to know how much he had spent on TMA (thousands) because of how people look down on people that donate too much, like they're trying to buy power. He never had any power, but he was respected, and I considered him a great friend. He never complained about donations, or that he was in trouble until it was too late.

I like how your last thought on some of my quotes is a joke (e.g. the Kickstarter thing), I see what you did there.

I handled everything on old TMA, Night was supposed to handle everything here. Did I do anything majorly wrong on old TMA? You cite some things, but nothing major. If your main problem is what happened here, it does fall on Night. But he clearly did not have the time for it, neither did I. The mistake clearly was that we did not put you in charge of things, so we'll both take full responsibility there. But seriously, if I did give you updates on 2.0, would that make you hate HB any less? Would that really change anything? You guys still wouldn't have liked TMX, you still wouldn't have wanted to play 360/PS3 games with him anymore. After all, he became a terrible person over the last 2 years, and that's Temp TMA.

I've been friends with HB since 2001, and I never read anything he posted on Brawl (and barely anything on TT because he didn't usually post on TM forums). You want me to correct everything he says? I correct him on AIM when he says things wrong, but it doesn't stop him posting his opinions. I can't control him, he doesn't kiss my ass. So you're saying his whole friendship with me is fake and he's just kissing my ass so he can get away with murder on TMA? It must really get under your goat that he's my friend and not you. What can I possibly see in the guy? I don't know, he's funny, and under all that bravado is a real person (that you probably don't see on TMA).

You don't think that was a good deal, the Blair thing? 3 months hosting, so he can have his own post that no one has to post in, the only post HE is allowed to post in. Controlled chaos, and you get 3 more months of great times with your best friends on TMA. If you want your own topic (you can have them for free btw), I'll give you one for just $100! So unless you donate $300 so Blair can't have that topic, you really can't talk. I put it out there many times we needed donations, and you aren't a stupid guy right? You can see the sidebar donation tallies, you can see how things don't add up. I try to help the site stay online by giving Blair his silly post, and it's "buying in". Ok... whatever, I'm the bad guy. But I do take full responsibility for that decision.

"You aren’t special aside from the fact that you can code and build cool as fuck websites"

Ah that's hilarious, thanks for that back-handed compliment. I hope one day you get to see what I'm working on and DO think I'm special. I'm losing sleep at the moment, it would really help.

"I do hope one day to have my name in the credits of a video game though. You’ve really inspired me to reach for the stars. I hope to one day be as cool as you are."

You're a funny guy. Hey, I also think HB is a funny guy. How do I choose?

"Because it hadn’t gotten that bad at that point, and to be honest, a lot of us were acting like jerks so banning one person when I myself and others were doing the same thing isn’t the answer."

This is what HB spins to me, that you guys do the exact same things he did and does, but you want him banned for it.

It does look bad that HB was indeed the GhostMod. Nice Of Mice & Men reference, (spoiler) hopefully I don't have to shoot him in the end. The timing was not great but it was never intended as giving you or anyone the middle finger or showing favoritism. It was simply a case of people complaining to me that Brawl was full of spam (this was a few weeks ago), and HB offered to clean up all the spam and I saw GhostMod as the best option. The spam problem was becoming a headache and I just wanted it dealt with so YOU GUYS could continue to enjoy brawl.

I still need help getting 2.0 ready, the problem is most of it is tedious tasks (e.g. databasing all the awards), which I have asked other people but they turned down. People not even in my all-elusive inner-circle. If you really care so much about TMA (and you clearly do else you would have gone ages ago), you'd still be loyal and I hope everyone would still feel like TMA is their home, and not orchestrate a walkout. It's sad it has come to this. I've assured you 2.0 is still coming, but that's not enough. I was mistaken to think it was. Night must also be greatly out of touch aswell because neither of us predicted this fallout. I underestimated the strength of your hate for HB. That ship has only sailed if you're on it. Sounds like you were on it starting exactly 3 weeks ago.

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Re: State of the Alliance address - March, 2013
Reply #122 - 03/26/13 at 02:20:27
 
@Roket

Long time no talk. A realist, thank you. At least someone is still loyal to TMA.

@RoaDiE

It's just amazing that Rabid somehow managed to avoid me for that first year (when pretty much everyone was just playing DM/relics/unlim), I played every day for months. I mean we were good friends back then too. I did come back years later (not exactly sure when but the server was still up) for a little stint when you guys were doing teams and Rabid played a few games then, but barely saw him. I know he played in those clans, that's when I went back to TM2pc because I just didn't care for clan matches (same with TMX). Reason I didn't think Rab was playing TMBO anywhere close to me is because he would have told me he was playing when he was online, because we were nearly always playing Zero Hour (that's why he signed on), over all else. Then the rest of the time we were playing TM2pc if AIC/JR/you were up for it. It was ZH, TM2, then a huge gap, then TMBO or whatever other game he might have played without me. Everyone talks about Rabid as being this TMBO god, seeing is believing. I wish he had let me see. I stand corrected.

I remember Vicente, there are guys like that even on TMX when you fire shit at them and nothing appears to hurt them, and then you die. I dunno how Rabid would combat that.

@XIZOR

Please stop rail-roading this topic with silly memes, take it to brawl. Oh SNAP!

@Obliverate

Harsh. Sorry I didn't know you either, don't take it personally.

@The_Dizaster_Child

Congrats on enduring the brawl hazing period, sorry you couldn't get my respect you so crazed. I know that every forum on the internet, every user expects and gets 100% attention and respect from the webmaster, especially if they get through the hazing. They knew each other on first name basis, but not at TMA because I'm on a high horse so high it's above the internets. So sorry I didn't know you either since I wasn't here. Also I never called you noobs. Reality checked.

BTW I never let HB off his leash, he was never on one. These theories some of you guys have are pure lunacy. HB does what HB wants, often on his own accord. You rile him up, you get a response.

@Zerathustra

Thanks for making me laugh, you are clearly a smart & funny guy and I'm not saying that with one ounce of sarcasm. This place isn't Cheers where everyone knows your name, I'm not the bartender.

@XIZOR

Speak for yourself. You're leaving why, because you're so butthurt? Kilrahi is leaving because he believes TM is dead and he never much cared for brawl either. Roadie is leaving because of everything. Some people are leaving because of HB staying, or the new rules, too much spam, or just because I have taken away the culture of brawl; which they've admitted was the only reason they ever stayed here to begin with. I'm not gonna fight to keep people here for everything but TM. You can take them elsewhere if they want to leave, but I'm not telling them to go, you're the ones leaving.

@Mecit

Sorry I wasn't timely enough, I just assumed people knew good things take time. Still wouldn't change the fact people hate HB, and they'd hate 2.0 with TMX being front & center. I'm not understanding your logic that Night isn't to blame for everything going wrong here, you can't say he gave you this place but it's not his fault he couldn't stop this HB problem happening here on his watch. I don't think it's fair to blame either of us actually, but that doesn't stop people blaming me, so with that logic I blame Night. Hey, this blame game is fun! The hypocrisy is monumental (disaster).

@The_Truth

I never gave HB permission to post in this topic, he was just restraining himself for his own good, but the bait got too strong and he bit. I don't control him, never did.

@XIZOR

Re: Your new site. Oh nice, so if this was in development 2-3 weeks ago, it meant all you guys were set on leaving anyway, and there was nothing I could have done or said to change it otherwise, and now everything you've said to this topic is just to justify your leaving. Nah, this doesn't look half as bad as when David Jaffe left ESP just before TMX came out. Such loyalty. Also, when your site is open to the public, please refrain from advertising it here on TT (especially not this topic), but Brawl is fine.

@DARKFORCE

I'd do all 3, but it seems like Xizor the union leader already had other plans to thwart that. Hellbent, look what you fucking did! EDIT: Hellbent just got suspended for rail-roading this topic, so that's 1/3. 2 & 3 now seem a whole lot easier.

@XIZOR

"The TMA name means almost nothing from Jaffe all the way down to the hardcore community."

That hurts. Do people really believe that? I think you're speaking for yourself again. It meant so much to you for 12 years but now suddenly nothing? Ok... it'll always mean more than you when it's in the special thanks 4 times. I don't know why you continue to keep attacking TMA, something you supposdely loved for so long. Then you use the crazy analogy that I'm like the dead beat father that beats his children and abandons them or some crap. How are you any different? You're being a total asshole to the TMA name with most things you've said.

UPDATE: Now that Hellbent is suspended, Night can just as easily rename Brawl back, we can revise the rules, and make those new forums that DARKFORCE suggested. Your move Xizor, are you really loyal to TMA or do you prefer your new role as union leader? Because clearly I've been a bad leader. But everyone else can speak for themselves, If no one comes back then clearly people have an issue with me and that's unfortunate. I never meant any ill-will on to people here, I always kept out of drama.

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Re: State of the Alliance address - March, 2013
Reply #123 - 03/26/13 at 02:46:17
 
I've just been told that I've upset a lot of the people I don't know, for not knowing their names, or what they contributed to this community. I'm sorry, but I just simply was not here to learn about who anyone was. It's just a fact. It doesn't mean I hate you all or don't care, it's just the simple fact I wasn't here to learn your names. Back on old TMA I remember everyones name, I could list 100 people. Infact while working on 2.0, I see their names all the time. None of them are these new people.

Let me make it clear: I appreciate new posters, that is how any site grow. I apologise if I come across like I'm just dismissing you or disrespecting you for all the time you've been here in my absense, I appreciate you keeping the site alive. I just simply don't know your names or anything about you, or your origin.

You can go to any website on the planet and it's highly unlikely the webmaster would ever know who you are, and I don't think anyone is taking offense from that, so please don't here. I will learn all your names in time, especially if you were still here on 2.0, because this is just a small community. I meant no disrespect, just stating facts. It's hard for me to remember so many people, that's why I don't let everyone be my friend on AIM like Xizor (laugh please).
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Reply #124 - 03/26/13 at 10:15:39
 
XIZOR wrote on 03/26/13 at 01:10:58:
Just for the record, I was keeping that going as long as possible to prove my point (all of which has since been deleted so this won't really make sense to anyone but me and Kilrgrn).This is literally what every thread on TMA has devolved into over the last couple years; people having a discussion and then Hellbent coming in and derailing it with stupidity and personal attacks on other members until everyone just quits. I may have come off like a dick in this thread and honestly I don't really care because I have nothing to lose here and I've said what needs to be said.



I had a chance to read that shit last night before it got deleted. Entertaining to say the least.

I don't take personal info into account and usually forget it right away. I know some things were said but I forgot about who and what.
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Reply #125 - 03/26/13 at 10:44:28
 
Dear Mort,

TMA is the only community I've been part of, for that long. (Since July 2005, this year marks my 8th year on TMA -- Note that I had started using the internet in the last week of June 2005. Twisted Metal was one of the first things I googled and that's how I eventually found TMA). I'd still love to be part of TMA. I've been a member of a lot of community sites over the years but this place has always been a place for me to consider "home". I know I haven't contributed much to TMA and it contributed a lot to me. I made great friends on here and all. Hell, the site we moved to wouldn't even have existed if we didn't have TMA, in the first place.

I'm also well aware of the fact that I'm in no position to criticize you or anyone else. I respect you and your work. I respect TMA and whoever put effort to keep TMA running. (BTW, quite frankly, I don't see why you're getting flamed for taking Blair's money and letting him post in one thread, only. In your position, I'd do the same, too). I also want you to know that I personally never blamed you for the delay of TMA 2.0. I even defended you when you were called lazy in the TMA Status Update thread. I know creating a site from scratch is overwhelmingly time and effort consuming. So, calling you lazy is just obnoxious. That's probably the only thing I agree with Hellbent on. Though, you see, the real reason you're getting stormed by the posters is that you were never ever around that it looked like you didn't even care about TMA (or the community, to be more accurate), anymore. You cannot really blame people for thinking so. Now, you could say NightShade has always been in charge on this temp site but you know what, people were expecting a word from you, since you're the one who created TMA. No matter we're on the temp site or not, this is basically your reign as the creator, right? When we state this simple fact, Hellbent emerges and asks "is Mort your daddy?". Hellbent's behavior has been a great obstacle in the way of arguing things (mostly, TMA's situation) reasonably. I never thought I -or anyone else- would one day say that but you really did a huge favor to TMA by suspending Hellbent.


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The fact Temp TMA sprung up meant I was no longer rushing to get something up myself, so I could then instead spend more time making it a lot better... and better...


I'm a web designer and developer, myself (my area of expertise being PHP) and I completely understand what you mean. I know how it feels. You create something but then you think you can do something better. And then something better than that. You know, there's this funny thing with web development; there's no end to "better". You could work on a project for ten years and at the end, you'd still have quite a bunch of things to improve or get better. Not to mention the web technologies change with tremendous speed, every new day. What you write today might be considered obsolete, tomorrow.


Perfection has no limits.

Am I implying you just should do a sloppy job? No. Nor do I imply that you should haste things and launch the new site, already. However, you eventually need to decide on what's enough and be done with your project. You know, focus on what's necessary. Facebook, for example, provides thousands of features but 90% of people don't even use them or aren't even aware of them.


Finally, a few things on what happened to TMA and why it happened:

I'm not sure if you know about it, but TMA had one of its biggest brawls like two years ago in Night's "TMA Status Update" thread. It was not nice. Things have never been the same after that fiasco. I believe it was the breaking point for TMA. Everyone involved then is now to blame for what's going on. "Belligerents" (yes, it was a war) were far from being mature. A lot of good posters left or took a break. Apologies (can't say they were sincere ones since the same shit kept going on for about two years) were made later, but the damage had already been done. It was also when Hellbent decided to go down the path of "i'm gonna make TMA hell for you all".


So, Mort, your biggest mistake was to not step in when you were getting all smeared and the whole TMA was starting to dissolve day by day. Yes, you have a life and priorities which is perfectly understandable but giving a bit of feedback from time to time wouldn't be much of a bother, I do believe.
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Re: State of the Alliance address - March, 2013
Reply #126 - 03/26/13 at 11:45:15
 
For the record mind I don't know who deleted what HB wrote.

It wasn't me and I was at work last night so by the time I'd managed to check the post update it must have already gone?

I was asked to let this topic play out and I've been doing just that.

So I don't know what was said that was so bad to have another admin (webmaster?) step in.

It definitely seems to be getting worse for all parties involved so if at any point I'm meant to step back in please do say someone...

Still been one helluva read though Wink
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Reply #127 - 03/26/13 at 18:25:28
 
“So you believe HB, the compulsive liar? You contradict so much of what you say. On one hand I'm not supposed to believe HB, or do, and you do, but don't, or do, I can't keep track when to believe HB. Why would anyone believe anything he says coming from me? If I have something to say, I say it; I don't say it through HB, or P7, or anyone. I never told him you would be banned for slandering TMX, besides, you didn't do that and you moved on, proving him wrong and you gullible. So if HB tried to threaten you something, using my name, like you used my name to attack him (that we are fuck buddies or something), it's all the same thing right?”

You have a point there I’ll give you that. However, there was another reason why I was inclined to believe this was true at the time other than just Hellbent’s word but that was at least a year ago and I can’t remember what it was now.


“So you're just bitter that I'm not your friend like I am other people here. I get that, but that's more a problem with you and not me. I can't force myself to be everyones friend, that would be disingenuous. Clearly you're cool enough to be a lot of peoples friends, but it's been a long bug up your butt that you aren't mine.”

Honestly I’m really not butthurt about you not being my friend at all. If you were cool, we would have already been friends because I’m friends with everyone at TMA that’s cool. You’re friends with Hellbent so clearly you don’t have good taste in friends so it all makes sense that because I’m super fucking awesome we wouldn’t be friends.

OOOOOOOH SNAP!


“You never saw the old TMA, it had boards for mods & admins, and you'd have been a part of that. But oh well.”

I’m guessing you mean the back end of the site because obviously I’ve seen old TMA. You mean I could’ve hung out in the VIP section? Awww Mort, that’s so sweet. Just make sure and buy me a drink before you frisk me.


“I handled everything on old TMA, Night was supposed to handle everything here. Did I do anything majorly wrong on old TMA? You cite some things, but nothing major. If your main problem is what happened here, it does fall on Night. But he clearly did not have the time for it, neither did I. The mistake clearly was that we did not put you in charge of things, so we'll both take full responsibility there. But seriously, if I did give you updates on 2.0, would that make you hate HB any less? Would that really change anything? You guys still wouldn't have liked TMX, you still wouldn't have wanted to play 360/PS3 games with him anymore. After all, he became a terrible person over the last 2 years, and that's Temp TMA.”

Well, we knew Nightshade was sort of in charge here, obviously, but we always thought you were still calling the shots behind the scenes. Maybe if you would have MADE THAT CLEAR LIKE EVERYTHINGE ELSE YOU CHOSE TO TELL US FOUR YEARS LATER THERE WOULDN’T BE A PROBLEM NOW WOULD THERE?! So its Nightshades fault then, fine. FUCK YOU NIGHTSHADE YOU FUCKING LOSER! Is that better?

All joking aside, Nightshade has always been super approachable and understanding of how everyone feels and what they want and why. Maybe he can teach you how that works.


“I've been friends with HB since 2001, and I never read anything he posted on Brawl (and barely anything on TT because he didn't usually post on TM forums). You want me to correct everything he says?”

> I never read anything he posted on Brawl (and barely anything on TT because he didn't usually post on TM forums
> because he didn't usually post on TM forums

Finally! You confirm that he doesn’t know shit about TM. Thank you. Was that so hard?

No one man or woman has the time in his or her life to correct every stupid thing he says. You would need to hire an entire staff to try and handle that, and even then it would still be an insurmountable task. But you had to have seen some of the retardation coming from his replies and the simple notion that you, his friend, would call him out on his bullshit every now and again, would probably go a long way towards putting him in his place. You seem like you’d rather just ignore it and claim ignorance because you’re his friend. Whether that’s true or not, that’s what it seems like.


“I correct him on AIM when he says things wrong, but it doesn't stop him posting his opinions. I can't control him”

You mean the Webmaster doesn’t even have a ban or delete account button? Nightshade what the fuck dude, get this man a ban button please!


“It must really get under your goat that he's my friend and not you.”

I don’t have a goat but if I did I sure as hell wouldn’t let him lay on top of either of you.


“What can I possibly see in the guy? I don't know, he's funny, and under all that bravado is a real person (that you probably don't see on TMA)”

You seem to think that I don’t know the dude after ten years. What do I know? I know that underneath the Hellbent persona is a dude who can actually be funny and cool sometimes but the comedy is just a way to try and get people to like him because he’s really a sad, depressed, lonely dude who has no real friends where he lives so he clings to TMA for attention and acceptance. I’m no psychiatrist but I don’t need to be to see that. How many women who’ve come to TMA has he “fallen in love with”? Answer: all of them. Yeah, that’s sad. I’d almost feel bad for the guy but given his behavior towards all my friends and me I have no fucking sympathy for him.


“You don't think that was a good deal, the Blair thing? 3 months hosting, so he can have his own post that no one has to post in, the only post HE is allowed to post in. Controlled chaos, and you get 3 more months of great times with your best friends on TMA. If you want your own topic (you can have them for free btw), I'll give you one for just $100! So unless you donate $300 so Blair can't have that topic, you really can't talk. I put it out there many times we needed donations, and you aren't a stupid guy right? You can see the sidebar donation tallies, you can see how things don't add up. I try to help the site stay online by giving Blair his silly post, and it's "buying in". Ok... whatever, I'm the bad guy. But I do take full responsibility for that decision.”

I’m half way busting your balls on that one. Would I have done the same thing? Probably not. I’m of the mind of getting rid of worthless trash that brings down the entire site and community. But, I can see why you’d take free money. If I give you 300 dollars will you permanently ban Hellbent? Smell that cash Mort. You know you want it.


"You aren’t special aside from the fact that you can code and build cool as fuck websites"


“Ah that's hilarious, thanks for that back-handed compliment. I hope one day you get to see what I'm working on and DO think I'm special. I'm losing sleep at the moment, it would really help.”

I have no doubts it will be an epic website. I hope I can post there from my retirement home one day when you finally get the site done while I bounce my great grandson on my knee and tell him about the great TMA wars.


"I do hope one day to have my name in the credits of a video game though. You’ve really inspired me to reach for the stars. I hope to one day be as cool as you are."


“You're a funny guy. Hey, I also think HB is a funny guy. How do I choose?”

Most people just choose me, but everyone makes bad decisions in life. We all learn from our mistakes.


"Because it hadn’t gotten that bad at that point, and to be honest, a lot of us were acting like jerks so banning one person when I myself and others were doing the same thing isn’t the answer."


“This is what HB spins to me, that you guys do the exact same things he did and does, but you want him banned for it.”

I was completely to blame for my part in what is referred to now as “The Great War of TMA”. I apologized and moved on, Hellbent did not.


“It does look bad that HB was indeed the GhostMod”

Glad you can admit that. When are you gonna make Blair a ghostmod?


“It was simply a case of people complaining to me that Brawl was full of spam (this was a few weeks ago), and HB offered to clean up all the spam and I saw GhostMod as the best option.”

I would have probably went with, oh, any other option on the planet but again, we all make mistakes. I would take 100,000 spam bots over Hellbent any day. Those can be deleted, Hellbent apparently cannot be.


"The TMA name means almost nothing from Jaffe all the way down to the hardcore community."

“That hurts. Do people really believe that?”

Sorry, that comment was made spur of the moment to further entice Hellbent to reply with more bullshit. I didn’t really mean that. Obviously TMA means a lot to a lot of people otherwise we wouldn’t be having this conversation. I apologize for that.

By the way, I know you saw all that because you’ve taken quotes from my replies that are no longer there. So, did you see how Hellbent acts first hand now? Do you see? DO YOU SEE?


“I think you're speaking for yourself again”

Some of the things I say I am only speaking for myself, but as far as the bigger issues I’m speaking for lots of people and some of those people have expressed those same thoughts and concerns in this thread as well so you have to know that my words carry actual weight beyond just my own opinion.


“Your new site. Oh nice, so if this was in development 2-3 weeks ago, it meant all you guys were set on leaving anyway, and there was nothing I could have done or said to change it otherwise, and now everything you've said to this topic is just to justify your leaving..”

First off its not MY new site, its OUR new site. No one claims ownership of anything. It’s a democracy, not a dictatorship like apparently TMA is now. When are you gonna update the banner with pictures of Hitler and swastikas?

Yes, the site was underway before you made this post and we were all unsure about whether leaving was a good idea but this thread seems to have solidified it for many of us. That site was made purely to get away from Hellbent since clearly no one here was going take care of that problem so it wasn’t about getting away from you. Just thought I’d clear that up.


“Nah, this doesn't look half as bad as when David Jaffe left ESP just before TMX came out.”

Leave what exactly? They sure as shit never posted here, even back when everyone was friendly and excited for TMX. I think maybe you should reevaluate whether ESP and Jaffe were ever loyal to this site pre-TMX launch. We tried to get them to come here forever, but they were always too good for that.


“Now that Hellbent is suspended, Night can just as easily rename Brawl back, we can revise the rules, and make those new forums that DARKFORCE suggested. Your move Xizor, are you really loyal to TMA or do you prefer your new role as union leader?

I have to admit. I do like being the public face of the TMA rebellion. I can get use to this leadership thing. I seem to be pretty good at it. Maybe I can be Governor of TMA? Moses of TMA? I can reach across the isle and bring our two parties together.


“If no one comes back then clearly people have an issue with me and that's unfortunate. I never meant any ill-will on to people here, I always kept out of drama.”

I think we’re just gonna post up elsewhere for the time being and then when 2.0 rolls around we’ll see what’s up. I can’t speak for everyone though. Clearly anyone is free to post here or there but I think that maybe this community needs some time to heal. This place has been toxic for a while now and we all need to breathe some fresh air. Some of us will still be around from time to time but its really just depressing being here for the most part. None of us want this but until things can be put back in order I think this is for the best. I will say though, that no one will come back here as long as Hellbent has anything to do with this place. I think we can all put aside our feelings about how you’ve chosen to run, or not run, this website in the past, but again, I can’t speak for everyone. We will not stand for any more bullshit from Hellbent though.


“I still need help getting 2.0 ready, the problem is most of it is tedious tasks (e.g. databasing all the awards), which I have asked other people but they turned down. People not even in my all-elusive inner-circle. If you really care so much about TMA (and you clearly do else you would have gone ages ago), you'd still be loyal and I hope everyone would still feel like TMA is their home, and not orchestrate a walkout. It's sad it has come to this. I've assured you 2.0 is still coming, but that's not enough. I was mistaken to think it was. Night must also be greatly out of touch aswell because neither of us predicted this fallout. I underestimated the strength of your hate for HB. That ship has only sailed if you're on it. Sounds like you were on it starting exactly 3 weeks ago.”

I’d be down with helping archive TMA just because that would be in service to the history of TMA, which I was a part of a lot of it, and to its community. I’ll get in touch with you on AIM or something.


XIZORTMA: hi Mort it’s XIZOR

Mortimizer2000:
XIZORTMA: Mort, hey its me, what’s up dude

Mortimizer2000:
XIZORTMA: Mort you there?

Mortimizer2000:
XIZORTMA: Can we be friends dude?

Mortimizer2000:
XIZORTMA: Guess I’ll try back next year.

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Reply #128 - 03/26/13 at 20:10:50
 
Mortimer wrote on 03/26/13 at 02:20:27:

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Congrats on enduring the brawl hazing period, sorry you couldn't get my respect you so crazed. I know that every forum on the internet, every user expects and gets 100% attention and respect from the webmaster, especially if they get through the hazing. They knew each other on first name basis, but not at TMA because I'm on a high horse so high it's above the internets. So sorry I didn't know you either since I wasn't here. Also I never called you noobs. Reality checked.


See, this is where you'e completely in your own little world. I've never craved yours, or anyone's respect or attention on any internet forum. Ever. If that was the case, I'd have hung myself years ago since Dave, the guy who built The J-Body Organization (car enthusiast forum) has yet to know my name after 13 years of membership. And get this, he's an active member of his own site! I just don't worry about shit like that. Enduring the harshness was for me, since looking through old threads made it apparent that that's just how Brawl went. It had zero to do with you. I mean fuck, looking through those old threads, I don't recall even seeing a post from you, which told me that you just ran the place, didn't participate. Saying what you said made you look like a condescending douche canoe, and don't think I'm the only one who noticed. The good thing about it, though, is that you obviously think it hurt my feelings or something. It just tells me the kind of person you really are. Honestly, I preferred you when you were just a name.
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Reply #129 - 03/26/13 at 21:10:55
 
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You only got internet in 2005? Damn. It's nice to get some understanding from someone in the industry. I didn't know this big blowup happened 2 years ago? I thought it was a year ago, that's when it got so bad it got to me that staff was fighting and being disrespectful to me, so something had to be done. I did step in then, in the sense I talked about it with Night and we came to a resolution. It really just sounded silly all this drama going on in my absense (on brawl of all places /sarcasm), I hoped people would be more understanding of the fact my time is better spent working on 2.0. My biggest crime seems to be I didn't get it finished in time to nip all of this drama in the butt. And people getting angry at me for not updating the community, I admit that was wrong and I regret that now, but at the time I was in my own bubble; I was focused and determined to finish 2.0, for TMA, and in time for TMX and the influx of new people (little did I know the fallout coming my way). My friends could get that info from me and relay it here, the answer being, "I don't know when 2.0 will be ready, but I'm still working on it, and yes I still care about TM and TMA.".

People also assumed I wasn't interested in TMX because I wasn't posting about it, but I talked about it with my friends, however because I was in the loop now I could no longer post about it. I was super pumped for TMX, I was closely monitoring development, and working on 2.0. But because I never gave the community a heads-up, I'm now paying the price. I wrongly assumed people would be perfectly happy with Temp TMA, I know I was as it gave me more time to perfect 2.0. People like Roadie, Night, SolTakr, etc, all know I talk to Dave, and they know exactly what's up with me not posting, I told them why. You won't believe how much I knew about TMX before it came out, and how pumped I was. Keeping tight-lipped was hard. Little did I know of all the resentment that was brewing for me... it was disheartening to say the least.

@XIZOR

The basic gist of all your replies is everything I did wrong and how you would have done it better, endling in zingers. It's not exactly a fair argument because everything for you is hindsight 20/20 right. You don't think that comes across as obnoxious and arrogant? People like that are not usually my friends. One of your friends thinks you might just be trolling me and exaggerating everything (and that's why they don't defend me vs you), so silly me for thinking we were actually having a serious dialogue on some level (which you lacked with me elsewhere), but it's clearly gone off the rails. I thought I had more friends here, but apparently I don't as they're being awfully quiet and just letting you continue to roll. So I kinda feel like I was wasting my time replying to all your gripes and grievances, as if they were legit, as it sounds like you were already set in your ways and made up your mind on things long before I got here. Everything is just a laugh for you now and OH SNAPs.

I regret not updating the community what was going on, but I've already explained why and you can't accept my reasons. I was not pulling things behind the scenes, I didn't even have an account here. It's just endless assumptions, because I wasn't here and that is my fault to stop all those assumptions from even being made in the first place, but it's your fault if you're gonna act based on them without talking to me first or someone that does talk to me. A lot of your beef seems to be lack of communication between us, you feel I owed you that. What I wrongly assumed is people would be understanding of my position, especially my friends who can talk to me any day they like about anything. I like how you say Night was super approachable when he was never even barely here, just like me. But you got to play games with him? Well guess what, I played games with people too from here, you just weren't in that group. I barely ever even saw Night on AIM, because you know what? He was busy with his own life.

But I will say one more thing, and that's about again, the assumption that Dave doesn't or didn't care about us because he didn't post. I asked him exactly why that was, and here is why. He already has our support, we're gonna be in the special thanks. He spent his community time trying to get new people interested in TM, like gamefaqs, neogaf, his blog & twitter. He talked of doing exclusives with TMA. Do I think he should have posted here anyway just to say hi and give us some tidbits etc? Absolutely, but he didn't. But I can't talk. You can assume he didn't care about us, but he did, he put us in special thanks and dedicated a trophy to us (because we're hardcore!!!!!!!!!!!). He might also have been waiting for 2.0 before he posted, but that's just me speculating. Maybe he was intimidated by all you guys? Who knows.

I'd reply to everything else you said but clearly you're just taking the piss right now. Have fun at the Bastard Gaming Alliance. I like how you took the Alliance part, I see what you did there. Couldn't think of your own name? How about the Bastard Gaming Rebellion! Oooo, that sounds cool. I'm gonna register that domain right now...

Also, your convo is fake, I wouldn't have even replied with nothing. /zing
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Re: State of the Alliance address - March, 2013
Reply #130 - 03/26/13 at 21:23:53
 
The Dizaster Child wrote on 03/26/13 at 20:10:50:

See, this is where you'e completely in your own little world. I've never craved yours, or anyone's respect or attention on any internet forum. Ever. If that was the case, I'd have hung myself years ago since Dave, the guy who built The J-Body Organization (car enthusiast forum) has yet to know my name after 13 years of membership. And get this, he's an active member of his own site! I just don't worry about shit like that. Enduring the harshness was for me, since looking through old threads made it apparent that that's just how Brawl went. It had zero to do with you. I mean fuck, looking through those old threads, I don't recall even seeing a post from you, which told me that you just ran the place, didn't participate. Saying what you said made you look like a condescending douche canoe, and don't think I'm the only one who noticed. The good thing about it, though, is that you obviously think it hurt my feelings or something. It just tells me the kind of person you really are. Honestly, I preferred you when you were just a name.


Don't read my apology then. Generally when people snap at you out of nowhere, they're mad/hurt at something you said. Didn't you complain about the fact I didn't know who you were, that you'd spent ages here and I didn't know your name? But now you say you didn't care about that (and listing an example why), but clearly you do because you snapped at me for it, and are judging me as a person based on what I've said. I apologised, if you can't accept it that's on you. I'd say more but it won't do any good as I'm a condescending douche canoe.
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Reply #131 - 03/27/13 at 02:43:05
 
No, I complained about what appears to be a complete lack of appreciation for Brawl, and the people who kept it rolling over the years. The fact that you dismissed me and Obliverate as a couple of new people that you couldn't even distinguish between the two didn't bother me like you seem to think, and my "snapping" at you must've come off more harsh than intended. All I've done is state facts that you clearly missed in your absence. Let me clarify here: I never expected or felt that 2.0 was owed to me, especially after the rest of the crew had been waiting a lot longer than I had. I never said you were lazy, or any of the other insults that got hurled at you. The only thing I might -MIGHT- have said was that I wouldn't hold my breath on TMA 2.0 ever coming to fruition if it hadn't already, especially after the TM2012 debacle. I honestly expected to be come here that day the game released, and finding a post saying that 2.0 had arrived. I found it odd when that never happened. I mean, you can't really blame or be pissed at me for not believing that we'd see 2.0. It wasn't a slight at you, or your work ethic. It was just me looking at reality.

That said, I can't and won't speak for anyone else involved, but I haven't taken anything you've said to heart, or personal. The thing that got me was that after years of hearing about the great Mort, the guy that built this place and led the rebellion against 989, makes a post like the one that kicked off this very thread. I'm in the same boat as the people that walked when it comes to how it was perceived. That it was a giant "fuck you for fucking everything up". First impressions are a motherfucker.

Oh, and The Truth.... In your reply that got deleted, you gave Hellbent way too much with grammar and spelling.
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Reply #132 - 03/27/13 at 03:11:23
 
Can someone post a link to the forum, that Xizor mentioned?
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Luis wrote on 03/27/13 at 03:11:23:
Can someone post a link to the forum, that Xizor mentioned?


Kilrgrn that's your cue to send him an invite, assuming he's cool enough for the BGA.
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Reply #134 - 03/27/13 at 09:33:51
 
The Dizaster Child wrote on 03/27/13 at 02:43:05:
No, I complained about what appears to be a complete lack of appreciation for Brawl, and the people who kept it rolling over the years. The fact that you dismissed me and Obliverate as a couple of new people that you couldn't even distinguish between the two didn't bother me like you seem to think, and my "snapping" at you must've come off more harsh than intended. All I've done is state facts that you clearly missed in your absence. Let me clarify here: I never expected or felt that 2.0 was owed to me, especially after the rest of the crew had been waiting a lot longer than I had. I never said you were lazy, or any of the other insults that got hurled at you. The only thing I might -MIGHT- have said was that I wouldn't hold my breath on TMA 2.0 ever coming to fruition if it hadn't already, especially after the TM2012 debacle. I honestly expected to be come here that day the game released, and finding a post saying that 2.0 had arrived. I found it odd when that never happened. I mean, you can't really blame or be pissed at me for not believing that we'd see 2.0. It wasn't a slight at you, or your work ethic. It was just me looking at reality.

That said, I can't and won't speak for anyone else involved, but I haven't taken anything you've said to heart, or personal. The thing that got me was that after years of hearing about the great Mort, the guy that built this place and led the rebellion against 989, makes a post like the one that kicked off this very thread. I'm in the same boat as the people that walked when it comes to how it was perceived. That it was a giant "fuck you for fucking everything up". First impressions are a motherfucker.

Oh, and The Truth.... In your reply that got deleted, you gave Hellbent way too much with grammar and spelling.


I did this topic that you object to so much 'after' the fact BGA was setup behind my back to be a replacement forum for Brawl (so you can all get away from HB). I consider that an act of betrayal and a stab in the back from people I thought were loyal not only to me, but TMA. It was just very convenient to blame my post or the new rules as to why you're leaving, or the fact HB hadn't been banned yet. Lets cut the BS for a minute here.

Now where did I blame you all for fucking up the place? You're blaming me, I've been read my rights and crucified for everything I apparently did wrong, fallen from grace (you said the same thing basically). Well guess what, I'm still the exact same person that started TMA, I'm no different now than I was back then. I didn't post on brawl then, and not often on TM forums. I kept away mostly, I was more likely playing TM2pc than being at TMA, or working on new features for TMA (or whole new TM sites that I was planning). I did lead the rebellion against 989 and won, and I'm proud of that, and no one can take that away from me.

Back on old TMA I was the ideas man, I came up with ways to improve the community. I came up with the commish idea, we had weekly awards on both TT and Brawl for the best posts to encourage everyone. We had many commishes over the years, I knew them all. X-Man, CodeMatt, Reaper, SolTakr, BrianEvol, Hellbent, -SCoLD-, Magnum, it was fun, and every week people looked forward to them. Once they retired they became Admins. If the commishes were late I'd get people IM'ing me "where are the awards?!". Sometimes we had guest commishes if the commish was too busy or needed a break. Brawls were my idea, the Brawl on the Wall name was my idea, belts were my idea, everything was my idea.

But if you want to base your whole opinion of me based on this topic (which lets be honest, you were leaving anyway), that really was just about dealing with a crisis (which is never easy), thanks a lot for your understanding and support. Don't forget the good times.

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