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State of the Alliance address - March, 2013
03/16/13 at 01:56:35
 
Greetings my fellow Twisters,

I'd just like to apologise for the extremely long delay in updates about the development of TMA 2.0. I won't be making excuses, but I will explain myself, and I hope you hear me out and understand I meant nothing but the best for TMA, always.

First off, there is nothing wrong with wanting to know or being curious about the whereabouts of TMA 2.0, in fact I appreciate the interest. Everyone here was more than welcome to hit me up on AIM or in email and ask, but no one here is entitled or privy to this info, nor entitled to TMA 2.0. I donít owe anybody TMA 2.0, in the formal sense, because TMA is 'purely' a hobby for me. I just thought I should make that clear. I wrongly assumed people realised this and wouldn't trash me behind my back because it isn't finished yet, and would be grateful for TMA as it is now even if I never finished 2.0 (but still keeping faith I would finish it). But don't get me wrong, I'm still extremely passionate about Twisted Metal (more so playing it), always have loved working on TMA and playing TM together (the latter which takes away time from the former)... so it caught me off-guard to find out there was this expectation that I owed everyone 2.0, and that it was late, and that people were acting 'entitled' to it, because I said it was coming a long time ago and it never came (some say I even 'promised' it). Even more perplexing is that 2.0's absense has become some kind of running joke; especially odd since most of TMA's veterans that care most about 2.0 don't even like the new Twisted Metal. For me the point of TMA 2.0 was to be a cool place to talk about the new Twisted Metal, setup games, clans, etc, that was my goal; which is now redundant, so I was no longer rushing to finish 2.0 anymore. See my predicament? But that's just me, you guys live here not me.

Even more shocking was the way TMA turned on ESP/David Jaffe, just because most people here didn't like the new Twisted Metal. It might be surprising, but finishing 2.0 was not supposed to facilitate being disrespectful jackasses to ESP on Totally Twisted, or myself on Brawl on the Wall. This is a Twisted Metal fansite, first and foremost. We're supposed to be fans, and respect for the creators of REAL Twisted Metal, and TMA, should be paramount. They are not 989 Studios; comparing TMX to TM3/4 is just unacceptable and these people clearly are taking that statement too lightly, and never understood that era. For this behaviour we may never be in any special thanks ever again; which is gutting. A lot of people should have been suspended or even banned, but due to their friendships with certain admins and cliques, and the general lawlessness around here, nothing happened. I feel TMA (even in this temporary state) has strayed too far away from our roots. A lot of what has been said around here over the last year might be considered 'free speech', but at TMA, I think it's pure blasphemy. This community needs to return to having the upmost respect for the developers/designers of TM's we love (Dave/ESP/Incog), for TMA, and ourselves. It's one thing to be disappointed in the new TM and express your issues, but it's quite another to treat Dave/ESP with such disdain and fallen grace, that he no longer thinks of us in the same positive light he once did anymore. The minority of people around here that liked the new TM were made to feel like outcasts, because we didn't agree with the veterans (a lot of new fans even driven away because this place was unwelcoming to them). TMA's long held reputation went down the drain in the process, and for what? Apologies all around wouldn't hurt.

If anything, I'm extremely sorry on a personal level for letting down David Jaffe, for not finishing 2.0 in time for TMPS3's launch... it just wasn't ready (same as TMPS3 wasn't ready but Sony has shareholders to please; game had to be released; TMA 2.0 I can hold off until it's ready). To have the MAN we once worshipped as a God, suddenly lose that love he had for TMA, and the respect and worship we gave him, really hurt, and I felt partly responsible (even though everyone here not liking his new game was not something I could control). He had even offered to pay a years hosting when I finish 2.0; now I know that is definitely not coming. How things turned out was the furthest from my expectations. I envisioned all of us playing the new Twisted Metal together for years to come, just like we did with TM2pc, and some of you have with TMBO (and still do to this day), and posting about it on 2.0. The reality is there is no 2.0 yet, and it's just me & Mosh playing on TMPS3 (and sometimes AfroDizziac aka Junior). I would never have believed that before the game came out that a year later it's just us few guys representing TMA. Thankfully I'm still having a lot of fun with the game and posting games on the Youtube channel; I've played lots of competitive adrenaline pumping games just this year, but that may not last forever if I start to feel even more lonely on TMX (in the sense no one else from TMA is playing with me; it's depressing). I may not have finished 2.0 yet, but for now I still fully support Twisted Metal by playing the game and running the Youtube channel in tandem. I hoped people would at least commend that.

I understand the disappointment in the 2.0 delays, but what I wasn't expecting was all that talk behind my back and disrespect, even from people on staff, and even people I thought were friends and had played TM with over the years; a lot of people did not have my back. It was disheartening and discouraging; the fact I was still working on TMA 2.0, and having all this dissent in the place I created, from people who I thought respected all I had done for TM the last 13+ years, and who obviously have no idea how much time I have put into 2.0. Even though I could have stemmed that by giving updates, I don't believe I deserved the treatment I got for not doing so; and if anything it was interesting to see people show their true colors. Forgive me for not posting updates, but Iím just not the type of person who needs to get feedback along the way; I just wanted to WOW everybody when it was finished. So my priority was to just finish 2.0 and then post on it; that's why I never posted here for the longest time (I didn't allow myself to post until I finished 2.0... obviously I broke that rule; sue me!). Besides, what exactly is wrong with Temp TMA anyway? If Temp TMA was bad I'd understand, but it gives you all the ability to talk TM, just like old TMA, or 2.0 would.

With that all said and done, you're probably still wondering, "So where is TMA 2.0? Cut to the chase already!". Simple answer; because it's part of a much bigger project that is not finished yet. It was never solely about TMA 2.0, TMA would just have benefitted from said project I am working on (and that's why TMA is still just a 'hobby'). Essentially it's a 'concept' (similar to myspace at the time, and now more so facebook); lets just call it Project X to keep it easy from here on out. As -ScolD- kindly gloated it was 'revolutionary' at the time when he last saw it back in 2005 (or whenever that was), but that was before facebook arrived and took on a lot of those features. But I didn't give up, I just kept improving Project X to this day. So that is what caused the delay. TMA 2.0 would never come out until I finish Project X; until I was happy with it. I didn't intend for it to take this long, but as I kept improving it and adding more features, it just become a behemoth and thus TMA 2.0 got delayed further and further in the process. I hope to have it finished this year (but I'm not giving any ETA's), which would mean TMA 2.0 would come out not long after. I really hoped for TMA 2.0 to showcase the power and features of Project X. It might even take longer, so be prepared for that (it's not actually called Project X btw).

So why did I give those ETA's for when TMA would be back years ago? Apparently to some people I was lying, because 'estimating' the arrival of something and being wrong is lying. I won't be giving ETA's anymore, but I will explain why I did that. Those ETA's were not for 2.0 at all; initially I planned on just putting the old TMA back up, but I just couldn't stomach putting up that shit again. The code is bloated, the performance is poor, it's just a mess. I made the old TMA back in 2000/2001, and here I was in 2008 (or later I forget) and I'd been working on Project X for many years already, it was superior; I was ashamed to put that old crap back up based on what I was working on. So I decided to spend a month and clean up old TMA, fix some lingering bugs I never got around to fixing, and optimize some specific things that took the most server time; to improve performance of the old site. The old site now ran 10x faster, but it's still visually the same ugly site. I knew there were areas I could still optimize further, to make the site better for everyone. I converted most of the forum display code to javascript, cutting down the server's job even more. Before I knew it I had spent 3 months making the old site run lightning fast and clean, but I still had the same problem; it still looked like the same old ugly TMA. Compared to 2.0 it was just ugly. It just suddenly seemed like a waste of time, and Temp TMA seemed that it would do the job for now until I finish 2.0. So I canned the old TMA reboot, and kept working on 2.0 with the plan to just get it done before TMPS3 was launched. This is why the ETA's kept changing, then just went away.

I regret not giving small updates, but I didn't want to disappoint people and instead just chose to focus on finishing 2.0 (which should more than make up for my 'silence'). Sadly I got carried away with Project X and I was not able to finish it in time for TMPS3's launch. I also had a TMA 1.5 in the works in hopes of getting that done in time for TMPS3's launch (it was a hybrid of 2.0 and 1.0); because I knew I couldn't finish Project X in time, so I was balancing multiple projects, but that didn't happen either. So those features I added to 1.5 will crossover to 2.0 (consider 1.5 a lite version of Project X). I tried hard to get it finished in time, but it just didn't happen. I felt shit for letting down Dave, and I felt shit for letting down my true TMA friends and supporters; but it just didn't seem so bad with the way things turned out in the end (most of TMA not even liking the new TM; Dave leaving ESP; poor support from Sony; etc). Regardless, a lot of people are still taking this 'temporary' site for granted, and that does rub me the wrong way. I don't believe I deserved any of the backlash I received for a 'hobby'; Project X is the most important thing to me and it's still my highest priority, but I still love TMA and want it to be the best it can be. For those that still don't take this place for granted and respect all I've done, thank you... you just haven't been very vocal to notice.

So, what will TMA 2.0 be like when it does finally arrive? It'll bring back that old TMA feeling, I hope...

TMA 2.0 Features:
- There are site skins for every Twisted Metal (made by SolTakr)
- Edit Config 2.0 will debut, allowing you to keep unlimited configs and signatures for posting with; it's crazy
- Boards for every TM (including fully-featured search & sort engine); full bbcode support including custom tags just for TMA e.g. captioning images
- Quizzes for every TM (including global rankings)
- Everything will be real-time including chat rooms
- All the old TMA posts will return along with the temp TMA posts, all sorted into categories (multi-levels e.g. General Discussion -> Consoles -> PS3 -> Games)
- You can add users (and topics) to your watchlist and follow everything they do
- You can ignore users (and topics) so you never see anything from them on the site
- Slick sections dedicated to each TM with info and pictures/videos of all the cars/drivers/levels
- Weekly Awards will be back including a database that keeps a history of all the awards since the beginning of TMA (part of the reason TMA was special)
- Zero Spam

I also plan on a clan ladder system (and I plan on databasing all the youtube games I have posted so you can search for games with you in it); and so many other things I can't even think of right now. I'm using a fully-featured backend database, and javascript to render all displays, and AJAX to keep everything real-time where possible; all inside an 'optional' interface that is like another browser (I guess that was the 'revolutionary' part).

Now for the bad news; there will be some major changes with how people will be allowed to act & behave around here. We'll be enforcing a strict "no tolerance" policy for brawling/fighting on every board, resulting in immediate suspension for at least 7 days (if you ignore the PM warnings). These new rules will be enforced in 7 days, giving everyone time to read this post and not claim ignorance. Disrespect for ESP and any TM's besides TM3/4 will be against the rules and up for suspension. Brawl on the Wall will cease to exist; on 2.0 it will be moving to an archive. All the non-brawling topics will be moved to a general discussion board called Downtime; brawling will be retired (definition: slander/personal attacks/mob mentality). I can't do any of this on Temp TMA, so instead we'll just be renaming the board to General Discussion for now. On 2.0 there will once again be boards for every TM, so you can talk about each one separately and without insulting or fighting with other TM fans from other boards. TT will be and is for clean and respectful discussion of all TM's only, and future TM's. I want TMA to be a more user friendly and welcoming place to new users; even if they only ask stupid questions (we were all stupid once). Some of you may consider a lot of these changes as 'mainstreaming', and I agree (but not so far we'd ever support TM3/4). Everyone can keep to their respective boards on 2.0 and all will be happy; no need to beat endless dead horses, no more friction. Love the TM's you love!

In other news a Ghost Mod was instated to help deal with all the spam that the other mods have been slacking on (or taking a well-deserved break from). I'd just like to say I very much appreciate all the hard work our active admins Archminion/Magnum/Mosh have done with keeping spam at bay and welcoming new users. When I think of perfect admins, it's you guys. And a big thank you goes out to Wolfenhex for this server; without that there would be nothing. Donations have always been pertinent, but I understand the fact they dried up due to my lack of updating the community about the development of 2.0; that totally falls on me. That said, I can't guarantee Temp TMA will even remain online up until I finish 2.0.

So there you have it. I predict lots of boos, hisses, and maybe some cheers. Hopefully no backlash. I hope to post screenshots between now and launch (maybe even a youtube video; dunno yet). Just remember, 2.0 doesn't just make itself (it's not quite 'that' revolutionary). NightShade will be replying to this topic with another option to the situation.

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Re: State of the Alliance address - March, 2013
Reply #1 - 03/16/13 at 01:58:28
 
Mort and I talked about this for a while and we hope these measures we came up with can turn things around, but we are not blind to the reality of the situation.

In the past, I have argued vigorously against what I am about to talk about here, and I never thought it would come to this, but I want you to ask yourself something. Are you here because you enjoy having discussions with the community? Or are you here out of habit or loyalty?

What do you get out of TMA? Whoever you are, weigh in - a mod, a regular, a sporadic poster, a lurker, whatever. Do you need TMA to discuss gaming and other various subjects, and connect with people you don't talk to outside of the site? Do you need it to discuss and organize TM games? Do you need it to read and enjoy the posts of your favorite personalities? Do you need it because you actually enjoy these vicious arguments?

We've all forged what I hope are lifelong friendships here (I've personally been pretty shitty about maintaining them as of late, but that's neither here nor there), but in recent years, what used to be friendships have devolved into rivalries or hatred and the community has splintered.  The atmosphere has become so toxic, it's hard to have fun here anymore and a lot of people have already left. We used to be a united community, but this is no longer the case. We are not the same group of people we were a decade ago. I don't mean that in the sense that we've lost something, but we've changed.

Is it worth continuing to try to keep the community united, or is there anything that is even holding us together anymore? Would you rather we just let the community split naturally, with those that enjoy each others company communicating on Xbox Live, PSN, AIM, email, texting, Phone, Facebook, Twitter, etc. etc. in order to avoid having every discussion devolve into hate fueled diatribes with sworn enemies?

I don't want to do this, I never have. TMA has been an important part of my life for over a decade. I'm not even advocating this. But it was something I wanted to get out in the open for us to talk about.

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Reply #2 - 03/16/13 at 02:12:59
 
With these new rules all my grievances with other posters are resolved. I'll no longer antagonize anyone here. With these rules in place not only can't i participate in such behavior but the people who i dislike will no longer be capable of spreading their venom either.

I liked brawling and being able to just say what i want. But i can see why that isn't going to work very well. Especially with so few people left posting.

I'm perfectly happy with my art, videos, and totally twisted. As long as the rules are upheld i have no problems and i completely agree with them. So you have my word i won't cause anything to disrupt the peace. If something is out of hand i'll just send GhostMod or one of you guys a message with my grievance.

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Reply #3 - 03/16/13 at 03:13:50
 
Personally I have no problem with using the temp site as it is.

If and when TMA 2.0 comes that's fantastic but I'm more than happy to stick around on this site (especially now you've made some much needed rule changes).

I am ecstatic you have brought in the new 'ZT' rules.

This NEEDED to happen.

As a junior Admin I've always felt hesitant to ban or even warn long time posters who (in the past at least) have been productive and enjoyable members of the site,

For an analogy it's like the old guy who sits in the corner of the pub and has done so for years but he's a gossip and only ever buys one pint.
The landlord and regulars tolerate him because he's been there so long but in reality he's an arseole and a trouble maker and should have been kicked out a long time ago.

(just as any worthless rowdy kid who they'd never seen before would be within a minute of getting in the door).

I personally no longer feel the pressure to not kick anyone insulting ESP or the new game now.

Believe it or not but this matter nearly had me packing my bags and leaving the place just a few weeks ago...

I could understand some anger about the game's issues (I made that vocal myself near the beginning) but it is BETTER now and although this may have come to late to be really relevant anymore the game is PLAYABLE for those who just want to sit down and have a few laughs.

I mean that was the intention of the whole series I believe??

It also irritated me how it was pretty much the same argument running on a loop like Groundhog Day.

If certain people just fancied a brawl here on TT they knew exactly how to start one up...

Anyway this is a breath of fresh air Mort and I also appreciate the nice shout out for myself.

I can promise I will be upholding these new rules to the letter as in my opinion this is how it should be.

I don't want to see potentially great new posters instantly turned off from the site (the game?) because a tiny minority can't just behave or leave if they do not like the way things are.

I'll continue to keep an eye on spam and I am actively checking out the Brawl forum for spam as well now since I know Night, Mags and the other admins/mods have their handfuls.


I think there is only one way to end this post don't you think?


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Re: State of the Alliance address - March, 2013
Reply #4 - 03/16/13 at 04:16:13
 
the TMA 2.0 features bring back that old TMA feeling. I agree the place needs less trolling/drama, and better TM discussions, but temp TMA isn't all that bad. Who would know about tm1pc & tm2pc, the tm2 comic book, how to play TMBO using xlink kai, etc. if temp TMA wasn't around? There are also pretty creative fanfics and fanart on the site. We all tend to focus on the bad over the good here because there's a lot of bad (including the annoying spam). Argumentative threads get the most replies, and it makes the place look like a degenerate social cub rather than the best Twisted Metal fansite as it ought to be known as. Removing 'Brawl' from the site seems the best solution for that. Anyway, I have no problem with the new guidelines. Hopefully none of the TM vets decide to leave because of the new rules.
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Reply #5 - 03/16/13 at 04:18:55
 
This thread could have and should have been made long ago and it would have prevented a lot of the fallout we've all seen go down over the last few years. All those people who voiced disdain for the direction of TMA, myself at the forefront, made those cries out of sheer desperation for a place that we all once held near and dear to our hearts and we felt like we were not being heard so much like a needy child begging for attention we made a scene so to speak.

There was a time when we first moved to temp TMA when there were less than 20 of us keeping the site alive, always hoping that 2.0 was right around the corner, building up momentum because Mort had never failed us before and we trusted him to deliver. Then, after three years here and not a single post, reply, or word, we all assumed the worst. Sorry, but in my opinion, as a creator/webmaster of a such a popular niche fan site as TMA, that just isn't how I would go about it. And to say that you've always been available on AIM or wherever else isn't completely true. I know myself and several others have tried to contact you numerous times throughout the last three or four years but because we aren't in your inner circle we don't matter or get a response.

Whether or not you cared about the site or the community outside of just playing and discussing Twisted Metal, the reality is that those of us who continued to log in everyday, day after day, when you did not, were coming here for something more than just Twisted Metal even though that is what brought us all here in the first place. The unique inviting yet hilariously harsh atmosphere combined with an unbreakable sense of loyalty, comradery, community, good old fashioned rivalry, and friendships forged throughout what most of us considered some of the best times of our lives (depending on when you joined and what TM you associated your time at TMA with) are what you fail to see as the real foundation of TMA beyond it being simply a Twisted Metal fan site.

Now, I'm not telling you (Mort, Night) or anyone else how to run this website, but when there isn't clear leadership and feedback, people just start to assume you don't care and take matters into their own hands. No one ever, at least to my knowledge, felt we deserved TMA 2.0. We just wanted to know what was up with it and to know that you still cared not just about building a flashy new website but about us as a community. That's it. It was always just that simple. Instead, we got nothing but complete silence. Most of us were fine with temp TMA as it served the same purpose, but we were expecting heaven and pure nirvana given how amazing the old TMA was only it never came and we just wanted to know why. We kept asking mama Nightshade why daddy Mort left and wasn't coming back but sweet ol' Nights just had no answer.

Most of us felt the idea and purpose of TMA had also been abandoned long ago, especially by those who helped built it and maintain it and those of us that had been around for ages did the best we could to try and keep the spirit alive by posting and replying and keeping things flowing with minimal instruction, direction, or clear purpose. Sadly, almost none of it was handled well and we've all, from top to bottom, had a hand in the downward spiral TMA has become. Everyone is to blame. Every single Admin, Moderator, and veteran all the way down to the spam bots.

Unfortunately all this is too little to late for some of us. This site has been left to its own devices for far too long and it has eaten itself from the inside out. TMA is the twin towers or hurricane Katrina and you two are the George Bush and Dick Cheney who chose not to act to prevent the catastrophe before or after the fact until it was too late.

I'm not saying I myself or tons of others won't check in or post from time to time, but I've steadily watched good people leave year after year until I myself don't even want to be apart of this place any more and that breaks my heart more than anything because TMA has been a constant in my life for over a decade. However, some of us have decided to move on.

I also feel like since were clearing the air that I need to say what I, and many others, believe has been the worst thing about TMA recently and for a very, very long time outside of the Jaffe/ESP hate and that is Hellbent. I won't sit here and act like I'm not guilty of doing some damaging things myself, especially during the brief time I was a Moderator, but no one has caused more unwanted grief and unnecessary bullshit on the back-end of this site than him and its a shame that his atrocious behavior was tolerated this long and at all.

Just thought I'd clear all that up and speak my mind since maybe powers that be might actually read it and care what I have to say for once. If not, that's fine to because there are other places that offer what TMA used to.†
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Re: State of the Alliance address - March, 2013
Reply #6 - 03/16/13 at 10:24:35
 
I will say that I appriciate the praise and mention. I know I'm not the best guy for Admin stuff because I'm only on here once a day in mornings. I will give serious props to Archminon for caretaking TT, and DSB for being a certified Jesus in trying to stem the tide of spam.

I also want Mort and Nightshade to know I never expected or felt I was entitled to 2.0 or whatever. The temp site was fine by me. The only thing I have to say is that when I was ever asked about it, of course I wouldn't know. That's not you guys fault because quite frankly, everyone knows I don't use AIM, and the only ways of communication for me is here or E-mail for those that know it. I'm not a reachable dude. If you get 2.0 up and running and are willing to have me there, I'll join. †

I'll never claim I'm the best at doing this sort of thing because quite honestly, I am a terrible manager. I can hardly manage my own real life shit. So yea...I'm a pussy because I won't nuke people I consider friends. I'm honestly window dressing really. So TMA falling into disrepair is also on me too because I freaking didn't have a clue/guts to really make hard choices. Arch discribed it perfectly. †

I obviously don't come to TMA to talk/schedule TMX games. I say it's for the comeradierie but, that's not around much anymore. It is more out of habit now that I come here, and also out of loyalty because I'm logging in to just make sure the boards are deleted of spam posts.

I don't want to see anyone leaving TMA but, I feel that if there is no reason for them to stay in there minds, I belive they should be allowed to leave if they choose, or stay so long as they're not disruptive. I have no problems with the rules Mort or Night lay down as this is their site to run, and they should have sway over what goes and what doesn't. I will always back that.

I just feel that at anytime if you guys feel that I'm not good enough for this position as an Admin, all you have to do is tell me, and I'm good with that. I can survive being a "regular" poster. Like I said before, I can't play referee. I'm not good with that. The straitfoward shit is stuff I can handle.

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Reply #7 - 03/16/13 at 11:23:41
 
Disclaimer:  I was an early member of this site back when TMBO was in its prime, but left and did not post for years, due to a personal tragedy.  I missed alot of what happened on this site for about 8-9 years.

I also did not care for the new TM game.

With that being said, I agree with the comment that we have all changed.  I was 20-21 years old, with a part time job when I first joined this site.  Now I am 31, with a full time job, fiance and all the other shit that comes with being 31.  All of us are 10 years older, but only some of us are more mature.  I also do not have the time for games that I used to, so I am much more selective about what I play.

I would enjoy the site and post much more, if it were not for the constant negativity and "trolling".  (btw, call me an old fucker, but I HATE that trendy term, it is called being an idiot or an asshole, not a "troll".)  You can scan down the list of post topics and see the last person to reply to each one.  Hellbent.  Even though he has never personally done anything to me, it is painfully clear the large majority of his posts are negative and unneeded.  It is like he posts just for the sake of posting, with nothing to contribute.  With so few posters left, constantly seeing his negative or unneeded replies to each and every post on here really stands out.

I am absolutely thrilled that a new "zero tolerance" rule we be in effect, and that Brawl on the Wall is no more.

As far as how the site looks, as long as it functions, and the community is good, it does not matter to me.  I prefer substance over style any day, and the current set up works fine.  I was not aware there was "drama" over when the new site would be up.

I think the problem with the site is us.  We are not the same people.  We don't like the same things we did ten years ago.  I would like to see this site evolve into a more mature, less hateful place.  We all need to act our age.  We are not in high school or college any more.  I bet most of us are 30 or approaching 30, some may be older.

Lets start acting like it when we address each other.
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Re: State of the Alliance address - March, 2013
Reply #8 - 03/16/13 at 11:27:38
 
I feel there's a bit of a disconnect here. TMA isn't a site anymore. It's a community of players with real relationships. We all appreciate what Mort, Nightshade and anyone who has had power/influence over the site in the past has done, but this is a monster that's out of your control. Nobody has been policing the site and laying down the law, which is why it's become what it is. None of you get to say what TMA is or should be simply because you're the creator or you've been paying the bills. It may sound disrespectful, it's not meant to be, but that's my opinion. We've all had a hand in building this community. The current condition of Temp TMA is proof you have little sway. A responsible parent doesn't let their kids run wild, only to scold them later.

The rules I just read above, if they were enforced in the future, are too late to implement with such an aged community. You're going to have to start over with new members. Allowing the vets back in is asking for trouble because we're a "clique", as you say. Bad blood will still exist and most of us don't want to be censored - we're adults here.

Our relationships continue to exist outside of TMA because we've moved on from Twisted Metal. TM brought us together, but it's not what sustained us. We've been gaming together for years and that's something we can all get behind. I respect almost all the veterans here, but those relationships came from interaction outside of this site.

I don't feel bad for playing my part in this continuing drama. I don't feel in the wrong at all and I'm an overly just individual to boot. It is what it is. We all have opinions and emotions.

Thanks for taking the time to address the current state of things, but I feel it's much to late and something I won't be a part of. Best of luck with Project X. Lord knows you deserve the pay off for all the hard work you've put into it.
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Reply #9 - 03/16/13 at 12:17:26
 
One more thought: Trying to turn TMA into a PG, family friendly site to appease outside sources (Ex. Jaffe) is going to be an uphill battle. Like I said, you will need to purge the community (which, to your favour, has actually happened on it's own) and start from square one. Best of luck.


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Reply #10 - 03/16/13 at 13:36:21
 
Mortimer wrote on 03/16/13 at 01:56:35:

Even more shocking was the way TMA turned on ESP/David Jaffe, just because most people here didn't like the new Twisted Metal.


While its no secret most didn't like the new Twisted metal. It had more to do with constant network errors/crashes at launch. Even with most not liking it, people would of at least spent a lot more time with it and less time bitching if online worked.

If it was true TMA turned on dave jaffe/esp †because they did not like it. Then everyone would of turned on them back when TMHO came out. Especially when you spent a lot more money just to play TMHO. There was no uproar over it though because it worked. Not to mention people in the "TMBO crowd" played it a good amount including kilrahi who played it at least a year. Yea, the guy that you believe is leading the TMBO2 crusade.

I don't think TMA truly turned on dave jaffe/ ESP. Most still respect them as game devs and would have faith in them if they did another Twisted Metal. You can't blame people for being upset at the time. After TMHO not being what most hoped it would be and waiting so long for true console TM. It was heart breaking to see gameplay elements that made Twisted Metal so fucking awesome gone but to top that off the online connection error/crash mess that completely killed the game. It was sad to realize this is how Twisted Metal is going to go out without ever having a real shot at online play.

Just to give a great example of fans turning on someone, look at Diablo 3 that released a few months later. While it didn't have the big connection/crash problem TMX did, It did remove the gameplay elements that made Diablo 2 so good. Almost all fans of the Diablo series were heart broken and they really showed an example of turning on someone. Their own Blizzard forums were filled with nothing but the most hateful shit you can think of. People wanted Jay Wilson(d3 game director) dead and still do to this day. That is a real example of turning on someone, we were no where even close to that. In fact I only remember a few people saying really disrespectful stuff towards dave jaffe/esp and they weren't even long time TMAers.

The worst part and most damaging was having Hellbent and P7 completely turn TT into a warzone with their nonsense. Its great that they love the game but there was no need to not respect people's opinions and act like they were noobs that don't know what they are talking about. That shit including anything really disrespectful towards dave jaffe/esp should of been put to a stop a year ago when it really mattered.

As for TMA 2.0, I don't know anyone that thinks you owe us 2.0. †You can't really blame people that were really looking forward to 2.0 for losing hope in 2.0 coming. After all Its been a very long time since it was rumored you started working on it. Obviously as year after year goes by, people are going to start to think it doesn't exist.
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Re: State of the Alliance address - March, 2013
Reply #11 - 03/16/13 at 14:17:10
 
It was probably, oh, five years ago that I found myself here. Interestingly enough, I came here because of a link in the External Links of the Twisted Metal 2 Wikipedia page. That link is no longer there, but what brought me was Twisted Metal. I goddamn loved the series and hated 3 and 4, and imagine my luck when I found a community of people that felt the same.

But I didn't stay for the Twisted Metal, I stayed for, well, the community. Some of the greatest experiences I've had were on Brawl.  I stayed for Brawl. And well, if Brawl is out then I am as well.

I know I won't be alone, but Brawl is seriously what has kept this site alive. TMX gave it a jolt of energy but that dissipated quickly. I personally don't see this site surviving as the PG TM-only site you would like it to be, because that's not what the site is. TM is too much of a niche series, too small and too weak to sustain a level of activity that is even close to being called stable. The goddamn Gamefaqs board gets more action than TT, and the only reason that thing is alive is because they've essentially created their own TMA over there. Nobody on Gamefaqs actually checks that part of the site besides that little community, so they are surviving. There isn't some dated leadership coming in and trying to change the site into what they want.

If you do that then you are pulling the plug on TMA. I'd hate to see such a site go, but it's essentially dead now and will be DOA whenever this '2.0' drops. TMA 2.0 is Duke Nukem Forever and it will only receive a small kickstart of energy from the fact that it has TMA and 2.0 in the title. The problem is that it WON'T be TMA. It will be a heavily-moderated rated-PG be-nice-only graveyard.
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Re: State of the Alliance address - March, 2013
Reply #12 - 03/16/13 at 15:34:02
 
'PG'

Heavily moderated'

Because thats exactly what was said.

You guys need to really take some reading lessons.
The negativity on the forum has come from a small group of people regarding an almost constantly repeated topic.

It is not interesting any more.

It was when it was an actual problem for the people who play but its old news now.

So constant criticism of certain games. People or even devs is not adding anything interesting to TMA.

If any of you guys can't get that then sadly i have to say you won't be missed by me at least.
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Reply #13 - 03/16/13 at 15:46:51
 
I was speaking about BOTW. Or the lack thereof.
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Re: State of the Alliance address - March, 2013
Reply #14 - 03/16/13 at 15:58:38
 
Archminion wrote on 03/16/13 at 15:34:02:
'PG'

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Because thats exactly what was said.


This is exactly what's being said. 95 percent of the vets (who are probably 95 percent of the activity at this site) posted on Brawl on a daily basis and they got along. We talked about anything and everything. BOTW existed for that sole purpose. It didn't have to be about Twisted Metal, wasn't supposed to. Yet, when we have differing opinions about TM, developers, what have you, they become marked for death for speaking. Tough. That's life. Now all that is being canned? Sounds PG to me.

This calm water paradise that's being dreamt up isn't going to happen, certainly not for the reasons that are being stated. We won't be missed? Nobody wants to be here, so ditto.
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