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Kilrahi
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Twisted Metal: Harbor City
07/08/12 at 20:15:38
 
I was surfing the net today and came accross something I'd never seen before (I mean, I saw a clip of it in the documentary, but this is a bit more).  Check it out:

http://vimeo.com/31755961

What do you guys think?  It looks like the opening video of TMB2 but without really knowing more it's hard to know if it's that or just a fan film.  There are more here:'

http://vimeo.com/user8991185/videos/rss

Based on the fact it shows TMHO's intro in its entirety without any changes it indicates the TMB2 video might be exactly what it appears to be. 

Then there is this video which I don't know what to connect it to:

http://vimeo.com/31755595

Or this:

http://vimeo.com/31755695


It does appear that a guy by that name works at Sony:

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/ron-padua/5/b94/21b


Kind of cool stuff.  Makes my heart ache a bit.
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Re: Twisted Metal: Harbor City
Reply #1 - 07/08/12 at 20:30:57
 
Hmm... thanks for the info, it's too bad the game was never completed. Sad
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Reply #2 - 07/08/12 at 20:37:42
 
I'm pretty confused by what you found. That first video, like you said, had a clip in TMHO. The thing is, that's the same truck from TMHO, and the video is in the same cell-shade-y look as the TMHO intro.

Second one doesn't work.

Third one looks like very early story ideas, basically an animated storyboard.

Last one... I don't know. It's got cell shading going on, but looks like TMB.
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Reply #3 - 07/08/12 at 20:59:25
 
Cool find.
I wonder if the first one was meant to be promotional only, because it looks like a commercial.
At the end it flashes some interesting credits
"Twisted Metal Harbor City starring Needles, Mr. Grimm, Axel, Calypso, Miranda" Who the fuck is Miranda?
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Reply #4 - 07/08/12 at 21:13:33
 
MoshfieldAsylum wrote on 07/08/12 at 20:59:25:
Cool find.
I wonder if the first one was meant to be promotional only, because it looks like a commercial.
At the end it flashes some interesting credits
"Twisted Metal Harbor City starring Needles, Mr. Grimm, Axel, Calypso, Miranda" Who the fuck is Miranda?


Was Miranda the driver of Twister in TMHO?  I can't remember.   

Obliverate, none of those vids are working for you?  The basic links are all at:

http://vimeo.com/user8991185/videos/rss


They all worked for me.
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Reply #5 - 07/08/12 at 21:19:52
 
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Was Miranda the driver of Twister in TMHO?  I can't remember.  


Ah, yeah, that's right, Miranda Watts drove Twister in TMHO.

Hmm..
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Reply #6 - 07/08/12 at 21:23:43
 
MoshfieldAsylum wrote on 07/08/12 at 21:19:52:
Ah, yeah, that's right, Miranda Watts drove Twister in TMHO.

Hmm..


Maybe someone can tweet Dave and ask what these things are.  Someone he likes responding to.

You're up Mosh!
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Reply #7 - 07/08/12 at 21:31:18
 
Double post but it's relevant.  I found out some more on the guy.  Check it out:

http://www.paduadesigns.com/

There's some more stuff from Twisted Metal worth seeing.
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Reply #8 - 07/08/12 at 21:43:16
 
Very, very interesting stuff. I've been wondering if any of this stuff would ever show up.

That link you posted, Kilrahi, just gives me a bunch of scrambled characters. The other three, I was able to see the videos in them.
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Reply #9 - 07/08/12 at 21:48:17
 
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Was Miranda the driver of Twister in TMHO?  I can't remember.  

Obliverate, none of those vids are working for you?  The basic links are all at:

http://vimeo.com/user8991185/videos/rss


They all worked for me.  

Only the second link didn't work.

This one is titled, "Calypso's Car"

...

So Calypso was a driver. Okay.

Grimm.

...

Looks like TMHO.

Sweet Tooth.

...

Looks like TMHO.



Okay, now stick with me here, this might be too crazy of an idea but...








TMHO is what TMB2 turned in to, and TMB2 was cancelled because Sony wanted a TM game on the PSP to sell it, and couldn't do TMB2 because then TMB would be on PS2 and TMB2 would be on PSP, so they took what they had of TMB2 and turned it into TMHO.
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Reply #10 - 07/08/12 at 21:50:00
 
Calypso Car concept is a bit underwhelming
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Reply #11 - 07/08/12 at 23:24:47
 
Obliv-

I can see that happening.  I always felt that TMHO had some very TMBish elements to it- from Calypso, to ST Truck, to Grimm.  Makes alot of sense.

I agree that Calypso's car isn't very cool.  I don't like Calypso being a contestant.  Ever.  I honestly wish Sweet Tooth wasn't a contestant either.  Think of how much more badass he would be if he just drove around and killed all of the contestants, but never bothered to show up for his prize.
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Reply #12 - 07/08/12 at 23:34:32
 
Obliverate wrote on 07/08/12 at 21:48:17:
Only the second link didn't work.

This one is titled, "Calypso's Car"

http://cache.krop.com/ronpaduadesigns-4ec2133bf1d2f2.jpg

So Calypso was a driver. Okay.

Grimm.

http://cache.krop.com/ronpaduadesigns-4ec21332f1d2ed.jpg

Looks like TMHO.

Sweet Tooth.

http://cache.krop.com/ronpaduadesigns-4ec21343f1d306.jpg
Looks like TMHO.
Okay, now stick with me here, this might be too crazy of an idea but...
TMHO is what TMB2 turned in to, and TMB2 was cancelled because Sony wanted a TM game on the PSP to sell it, and couldn't do TMB2 because then TMB would be on PS2 and TMB2 would be on PSP, so they took what they had of TMB2 and turned it into TMHO.


I was actually thinking pretty much the same thing and it's cool to see that you had the same idea.  Clearly when TMHO was started 3/4 of the way through TMB2 they already had some ideas about the story of TMB2 and how it was going to go down.  It's likely a lot of that bled over into TMHO.  Hell, Black is even referenced in that game.

Based on the vids, it looks like the first vid, where Sweet Tooth slashes the screen, was a test to get a feel for the universe and such.  It's called a "style case study." 

The Becker's Island video is really odd.  It's labelled a "storyboard" sequence which typically means it's not done, just a rough artists rendition of how a storyboard sequence in the game might have looked.  It also starts with text saying the last enemy has been destroyed, which would imply it's an ending sequence.  Could it have been Sweet Tooth's proposed ending from Harbor City? 

It seems plausible.  It's certainly disturbing for the black universe.

The mask test is really odd too.  Clearly Sweet Tooth is sitting on a pile of masks just like the one he always wears.  He also, for whatever reason, seems to be yanking them off only to find another one.

This seems like it could be an example of a wish gone bad with Calypso.  So . . . that would be an ending too, but . . . two endings?

Could it be that what we thought was a new idea for TM2012 (i.e. only a few characters) but with MULTIPLE endings have actually been thought of clear back in 2004 with TMB2? 

Fun to think about, but we'll probably never know.
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Reply #13 - 07/09/12 at 01:54:36
 
Well, every once in a while I go hunting to see if there's more info out there.  To a Twisted Metal: Black fan like me, any new tidbit of TMB2 is like a holy grail of "what ifs."  The game was pretty much done, and then it was buried.  How can that not put a stake through your heart?  Today's info was awesome to run into.

I did learn one other thing.  This is probably small potatoes from a sane perspective, but I hadn't noticed something on this page before:

http://kevinpulleyart.blogspot.com/2008/10/sony-computer-entertainment-of-americ...

One thing that always pissed me off about TMHO, and the TM that followed, is how many of Black's critically acclaimed ideas were buried and forgotten as if they were embarrassed about them or something.  Particularly one of Black’s most awesome ideas, skill weapons was forgotten.

I’ve never been able to figure out if Harbor City would have kept the skill weapons, which would indicate it was closer in spirit to Black, or ditched them like TMHO did, and among other things, embrace a more “good luck dodging this sucker” idea that TMHO ushered in. 
However, in some of the above pics, you clearly see the “zoomy” weapon listed.  That could be a sign it really was true to form with Black. 

Well, one final link for now.  These have probably been seen before too but it is worth repeating:

http://mileswoodsart.blogspot.com/2008/09/twisted-metal-black-2.html

I’m always struck by how proud of the game the team was.  At least in regards to those who worked on it for eighteen months, they felt it was a special game that should have been completed.  I 100% think that when they, at the eleventh hour, stuck in grand theft auto elements they fracked it all to hell, but I can’t help but feel the game was probably awesome before that happened.

Admit it, doesn’t it bug some of you to know sitting in a vault or on a shelf somewhere is a playable build of TMB2?  That will always drive me nuts.   I often wish when ESP did their $20 port of TMHO (which I loved) they had also just decided to pull TMB2 out of mothballs and slap it on there, unfinished or not.  Maybe they could have pasted the seams together and made it semi-workable.  I mean, it was clearly a fan effort anyway, why not?  Not like it would have hurt sales . . . money and time maybe . . . what if it’d helped sales though? 

Oh well.   That’s the neat part about being a fan.  You stay alive on “what ifs” and forever un-baked dreams.   
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Reply #14 - 07/09/12 at 02:31:05
 
I would compete in a real life Twisted Metal for that copy of TMB2.
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