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Reply #90 - 05/12/12 at 22:18:36
 
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IMO - First, my stance above all has been its a fucking good game. So fuck whatever pussy reasons you have for not liking it. I never said dodging didn't exist I just refer to it as missing. Since no TM developer has ever acknowledged it as a tactic why the fuck should I? 'dodging' is purely a TMA strategy, and is now a fucking dead one. Good. I'm glad they took that pussy shit out. Not that it was ever intended in the first place. You can claim lack of skill and all that but how much skill do you have in the new TM? Your falling behind.


You keep throwing around "pussy" like it's some terrible insult, even though it's beyond obvious that you're only grabbing for the most offense word you can think of. Not only that, but you sound like a dipshit regardless. Especially saying that since the devs don't acknowledge dodging, you won't either. Way to think outside the box there, chief. That's probably why no one ever talks about how good you are at the new game, because you blend in with the rest of the average, or below-average hacks that no one gives a shit about. You're only glad that they took dodging out because if it was possible, you wouldn't be able to hit shit and would probably get raped every match because you wouldn't be able to figure out how to do it yourself. And so what if dodging was primarily used by TMA? They were the people who put in the time and dedication to figure out how to do it. They thought outside the box and went above and beyond the expectations of the developers. What have YOU done for the Twisted Metal community? That's right, not a fucking thing. These same people you bitch about are the ones who helped keep the TMA community rolling. The same community that ESP and Incog site and recognize as the best when it comes to the TM fanbase. Keep that in mind before you go around saying stupid shit like that.
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Reply #92 - 05/12/12 at 22:38:58
 
I know I haven't been here that long and I really do respect all Tma vets for their dedication. That doesn't mean that I'm going to look at the floor and walk away when they're calling me out. What started out as innocent and I thought funny cartoons Roadie turned into personal attacks. So he threw the first stone. I'm not sorry I picked it up and threw it back.
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Re: Dodging is an exploit! *video proof*
Reply #93 - 05/12/12 at 23:07:59
 
That's fine and dandy. Defend yourself until the cows come home. But for fuck's sake, some of the shit you say if fucking lame and retarded. Like saying that dodging isn't legit because it wasn't intended by Incog, so therefore, you won't acknowledge it. For one, have you personally been told this by an Incog dev team member? Is it proven anywhere that it was, in fact, not supposed to happen? Until then, your statement is is invalid. Not only that, you sound like a TM sheep saying that crap.

From what the original video tells me, dodging is very much doable just be being a talented driver and not exploiting any system faults. It looks fucking LEGIT. And that is, from what I can tell, the point that these guys have been trying to make for a month now, and the basis for what Roadie, Stitches, Kilrahi, Kilrgrn, and everyone else has a problem with the game, have been saying since the demo.

I don't even know why I'm bothering here. My problem with the game is on the tech side, not even about this shit. But I see their points clearly, and can side with them because dodging just opens up more doors for defense.

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Reply #94 - 05/12/12 at 23:52:40
 
Why is dodging bad but mashing buttons and getting instant damage isn't?  That's the craziest thing I've ever heard of.  Games hold your hand so much nowadays that the weapons need to be 100% undodgeable in a shooting game.  TMA may have been the largest gathering of people to talk about dodging, but I assure you I and many others enjoyed the ability to evade attacks in the past games.
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Reply #95 - 05/13/12 at 00:27:19
 
Dodging is intended.

In that video, im driving in a straight fucking line AND DODGING.

If you can drive left or right and have a fire missile miss you, guess what?! YOU'RE DODGING!

Every weapon has different homing parameters.

And yes, its been acknowledged by TM devs before. And plenty of the best players in the past were NOT from TMA. And they dodged too. This isnt some TMA-exclusive mystery secret. Despite whatever bs people want to spread. Its funny how you soak up "facts" from people who never played the games to begin with. How do you know this a TMA-exclusive "tactic"? Oh, did you read what P7 said? That no one outside TMA dodged? No offense to him, but he never played the games nor knew the players in those communities to even begin to have any understand of who dodged and who didn't.

This is the problem when you discuss things with people who haven't played the games. They don't know wtf they are even discussing!

Pussy shit? rofl. Dodging makes the games harder. Thats one of our biggest complaints. The game is too easy. Roll Eyes
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Reply #96 - 05/13/12 at 00:43:49
 
The Big Daddy C-Master wrote on 05/12/12 at 23:52:40:
Games hold your hand so much nowadays that the weapons need to be 100% undodgeable in a shooting game.


Street Fighter 4 Syndrome, sir.  While the casual-level players  of the Street Fighter community were certainly not the first to be unnecessarily coddled by the developers of their choice games, they stand out most vibrantly as the shining example of the un-deepening of the mechanics of competitive-level gaming; this, I say, due to the simple factor of the community's popularity re EVO (formerly Battle By The Bay and/or B3/B4).  

The foundation of the new engine is, in its entirety, geared toward "leveling the playing field", closing the gap between the scrub and the pro.  Quite literally, that was the mandate in going into the project to begin with:  make the game newcomer-friendly.  In that respect, they have succeeded as immensely as James Cameron's "Avatar" in that they expressly devoted their know-how toward the end of attempting to satisfy as wide of an audience as possible; quite frankly by way of exploiting the overt and permitting the game or film to do your thinking for you .  Much the same can be said of MvC3 and, quite possibly, Capcom as a whole in regard to saturating competitive-level play with comeback mechanics, the simplification of execution and the overall shallowness engendered by removing most of what only the pros put time and energy into mastering.

The point is, true high-level play is slowly being eased out of the equation by virtue of appealing to the LCD of any given demographic.  

This ideology to the effect of unknowingly embracing ignorance, mediocrity and sterility is not relegated simply to games, but rather becoming a world-wide culture all its own.  

 



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Reply #97 - 05/13/12 at 00:51:28
 
[TMA]InnatelyGestaltist wrote on 05/13/12 at 00:43:49:
Street Fighter 4 Syndrome, sir.  While the casual-level players  of the Street Fighter community were certainly not the first to be unnecessarily coddled by the developers of their choice games, they stand out most vibrantly as the shining example of the un-deepening of the mechanics of competitive-level gaming; this, I say, due to the simple factor of the community's popularity re EVO (formerly Battle By The Bay and/or B3/B4).  

The foundation of the new engine is, in its entirety, geared toward "leveling the playing field", closing the gap between the scrub and the pro.  Quite literally, that was the mandate in going into the project to begin with:  make the game newcomer-friendly.  In that respect, they have succeeded as immensely as James Cameron's "Avatar" in that they expressly devoted their know-how toward the end of attempting to satisfy as wide of an audience as possible; quite frankly by way of exploiting the overt and permitting the game or film to do your thinking for you .  Much the same can be said of MvC3 and, quite possibly, Capcom as a whole in regard to saturating competitive-level play with comeback mechanics, the simplification of execution and the overall shallowness engendered by removing most of what only the pros put time and energy into mastering.

The point is, true high-level play is slowly being eased out of the equation by virtue of appealing to the LCD of any given demographic.  

This ideology to the effect of unknowingly embracing ignorance, mediocrity and sterility is not relegated simply to games, but rather becoming a world-wide culture all its own.  



Shit . . . and with that big rant I suddenly havea  horrible sinking feeling I'm going to be disapointed by Diablo III.
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Reply #98 - 05/13/12 at 01:01:27
 
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Shit . . . and with that big rant I suddenly havea  horrible sinking feeling I'm going to be disapointed by Diablo III.



Well, while it's apparent that you hardly seem the type to permit lowered expectations to sway your objective reception of a game, there is still something to be said for it---even if only for the temporary hope-against-hope it tends to inspire, since expectations are always subconsciously high despite that we delude ourselves into claiming we can accept less than amazeballs. 


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Appealing to a larger audience yes. It's almost like when George Lucas made Star Wars appealing to children. Sure it pissed a lot of fans off, but in return he has attracted yet another generation to the franchise. It's genius really.
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Yes, indeed, children just love learning about Hyperdrive physics, Coruscant politics, trade route disputes, midichlorians and genocide.  GENIUS!
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Reply #101 - 05/13/12 at 02:13:57
 
RoaDiE wrote on 05/13/12 at 00:27:19:
Dodging is intended.

In that video, im driving in a straight fucking line AND DODGING.

If you can drive left or right and have a fire missile miss you, guess what?! YOU'RE DODGING!

Every weapon has different homing parameters.

And yes, its been acknowledged by TM devs before. And plenty of the best players in the past were NOT from TMA. And they dodged too. This isnt some TMA-exclusive mystery secret. Despite whatever bs people want to spread. Its funny how you soak up "facts" from people who never played the games to begin with. How do you know this a TMA-exclusive "tactic"? Oh, did you read what P7 said? That no one outside TMA dodged? No offense to him, but he never played the games nor knew the players in those communities to even begin to have any understand of who dodged and who didn't.

This is the problem when you discuss things with people who haven't played the games. They don't know wtf they are even discussing!

Pussy shit? rofl. Dodging makes the games harder. Thats one of our biggest complaints. The game is too easy. Roll Eyes


Its clear dodging is likely a intended thing (And if it wasn't that really doesn't matter its still present in the game). Hell even in TMX you can dodge fire missiles and a lot of other weapons with homing capabilities.

Its not possible with particular weapons (Unless you have a change in elevation, environmental aid, or a couple other factors using the environment or other cars) in TMX but its still present in the game and why wouldn't it be the same way in TMB?

I am a big time TMX supporter but this argument about TMB makes little sense to me.
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>implying Jar Jar Binks was a good thing.
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Reply #103 - 05/13/12 at 03:07:35
 
tmfan89 wrote on 05/13/12 at 02:13:57:
Its clear dodging is likely a intended thing (And if it wasn't that really doesn't matter its still present in the game). Hell even in TMX you can dodge fire missiles and a lot of other weapons with homing capabilities.

Its not possible with particular weapons (Unless you have a change in elevation, environmental aid, or a couple other factors using the environment or other cars) in TMX but its still present in the game and why wouldn't it be the same way in TMB?

I am a big time TMX supporter but this argument about TMB makes little sense to me.


Thank god someone knows wtf they are talking about.

Yep, you can dodge plenty of weapons in TMX. Its just there are far too many where you can't. And yes, its the same way in TMB/2/3/4/every game where buildings and elevation and objects get in the way of missiles landing. Our problem is dodging just has very little place in this game.

Believe me, when someone tries to refute dodging as being immaterial, and then changes it into "dodging is exploiting" or that the developers accidentally made weapons with different homing parameters... I think my heart literally wants to stop beating because it can't stand the thought of living in this world any longer.

Its like saying the developers accidentally made each car have different acceleration speeds and different handling.

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Reply #104 - 05/13/12 at 03:10:13
 
@Obliverate - Ehhh, I don't think that's what he's saying.  He's more or less respecting the marketing which permeated pretty much every province of the films.  

In the sense that it was "genius", though, he is amazingly wrong.  Genius, in the respect of appealing to both adults and children alike would be, for instance, "A.I." or "Wall E.".  

The Star Wars prequels are polarizing in terms of how the individual films develop.  One minute serious, the next minute, stupid as fuck.  

In "genius"-level films, that barrier is often transcended to the extent that children can relate to the adult material, and adults can relate to the material intended for children.  

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