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Weird TMB A.I Activity
09/17/09 at 23:11:21
 
So I'm playing TMB right now, and, I'm playing as Sweet Tooth and in the Suburbs against Manslaughter. Everything was going fine until I ran into the church and decided to take cover there from fire due to low health. Nothing happened for a couple minutes. I turn around, and he's sitting out there on the other side of the wall, doing nothing but facing me with the wall between us. And he wouldn't move, and I know the only way to make him move is to attack, obviously.

Same thing happened before this match, I was Grimm facing Sweet Tooth in Minion's Stadium. I was running all over the place, usual shooting and whatnot. I go to the far left of the stadium, to get some weapons. Sweet Tooth doesn't even follow me. I turn around, and he's over at the far right of the stadium, sitting there and doing nothing.

What the hell is going on? Never seen such behavior, usually they're giving me a ton to deal with.
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Reply #1 - 09/18/09 at 02:13:43
 
Yeah, I've seen the enemy AI in TMB get lazy or weird a few times before. In Snowy Roads, I always try to set a trap near the edge of the level with the hill below and wait right there. The enemy approaches but as soon as they come near they pace back and forth right along the edge.

I can understand the AI is probably programmed to not be fooled into hitting you off the edge, but can't decide when to take risks. AI can only be programmed to do so much.


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Reply #2 - 09/18/09 at 08:07:51
 
Yeah,

I've seen the same thing with all of the incog/singletrac car combat games (inc RT).

I have a feeling it's sort of deliberate- like a psyche out.

Like a quick draw or something?

It's actually pretty cool to be in the middle of that and then to have another car come along with all hell breaking loose as you panic about if you should attack and which one first.

If it is a little AI quirk its one I've always liked.


EDIT: just wanted to add an AI quirk of my own from TM2: Notice how you can never knock Dark Tooth off the pier in truck mode because he won't drive down there while you're there (has anyone managed to do it?)

But when he's the head it's quite easy to push him off the edge with ricos, very satisfying, probably not really a quirk but deliberate actually.
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Reply #3 - 09/19/09 at 02:17:26
 
Never tried it, but it's fun as hell to get him stuck in the subways, sometimes stuck hanging somewhere. Sometimes he is stuck in place and the only weapons to get him out are Ricos. Or sometimes he even gets stuck transporting back and forth from the temple.
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Reply #4 - 09/19/09 at 10:32:57
 
Hey Toasty,

Can you actually get him into the subway as the truck? not just at the entrance?

I'll try that for a laff and see what happens.

We've got nothing else to do or talk about at the minute.

I wish Jaffe was still around so we could analyse his little blog teases...

EDIT: Hell I was so bored the other day I fired up Black just to see how many tanker trucks I could push of  Warhawks rooftop.

I think I'm going crazy, like those bouncing bears in captivity

EDIT of the EDIT: I remember something else crazy from TM1: Having ST stop fighting and just go into a perpetual super fast donut.

I seen most of the cars do this at some point.

It brought a smile to my face.

Toasty can we not just make this the crazy comedy AI report post?

God I need some light relief...
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Reply #5 - 09/20/09 at 21:36:06
 
Archminion wrote on 09/19/09 at 10:32:57:
Hey Toasty,

Can you actually get him into the subway as the truck? not just at the entrance?

I'll try that for a laff and see what happens.

We've got nothing else to do or talk about at the minute.

I wish Jaffe was still around so we could analyse his little blog teases...

EDIT: Hell I was so bored the other day I fired up Black just to see how many tanker trucks I could push of  Warhawks rooftop.

I think I'm going crazy, like those bouncing bears in captivity

EDIT of the EDIT: I remember something else crazy from TM1: Having ST stop fighting and just go into a perpetual super fast donut.

I seen most of the cars do this at some point.

It brought a smile to my face.

Toasty can we not just make this the crazy comedy AI report post?

God I need some light relief...


Yes you can get him stuck on the subway, but it's by glitch. He can even come in the subway as a truck, I've seen it done before. It really takes awhile, and I recommend you fighting him on Hard. It won't work the first time, I'm sure. But I don't have a TM2 copy anymore to bring it to full light  Sad

But you just have to really lure him in the subway, somehow.
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Reply #6 - 09/21/09 at 07:14:39
 
I'll go try that.

Will use god mode so he can't kill me, might be fun.
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Reply #7 - 09/22/09 at 04:44:24
 
Archminion wrote on 09/18/09 at 08:07:51:
Yeah,

I've seen the same thing with all of the incog/singletrac car combat games (inc RT).

I have a feeling it's sort of deliberate- like a psyche out.

Like a quick draw or something?

It's actually pretty cool to be in the middle of that and then to have another car come along with all hell breaking loose as you panic about if you should attack and which one first.

If it is a little AI quirk its one I've always liked.


EDIT: just wanted to add an AI quirk of my own from TM2: Notice how you can never knock Dark Tooth off the pier in truck mode because he won't drive down there while you're there (has anyone managed to do it?)

But when he's the head it's quite easy to push him off the edge with ricos, very satisfying, probably not really a quirk but deliberate actually.


I took him there once but he will just slide down the slope and he won't go through the other side.

A long time ago, I played TM2 and got to Dark Tooth and he had jumped over the train bridge and jumped again and that had sent him over the rail and he just died instantly. I was just taken by surprise and dissappointment.
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