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Message started by Coleiosis on 10/02/18 at 14:19:40

Title: PS1 Mini!
Post by Coleiosis on 10/02/18 at 14:19:40
Yes, it's official!
https://blog.us.playstation.com/2018/09/18/introducing-playstation-classic-with-20-pre-loaded-games/

Why are people not looking forward to seeing Twisted Metal on this thing?  That's something I'm REALLY hoping for!  Heck, I want to see TM1 and TM2 on here!

Then again, Sony is not Calypso.

Title: Re: PS1 Mini!
Post by MoshfieldAsylum on 10/02/18 at 19:11:11
100 dollars for 20 games... not a great deal. The nostalgia of the PS1 console/controller design & the HDMI port are the main selling points though, so I'm sure it'll sell.

There's 15 games unannounced so far, so there's probably only 1 Twisted Metal game among them. Maybe Jet Moto and/or Warhawk could be on it though.


Title: Re: PS1 Mini!
Post by Luis on 10/02/18 at 21:59:38
Not worth it all because of PSN and the PS3. I can play PS1 games on my PSP that I bought from PSN and the PS3 can already run PS1 discs in HD. If only one Twisted Metal game is gonna be there it will have to be TM2. There's no reason Tomb Raider 2 to be absent on it. That's one of the best.

Title: Re: PS1 Mini!
Post by Ripzsaur on 10/03/18 at 09:29:33
I think the mini trend is stupid. If this has Twisted Metal on it, I would want it ONLY as a collector’s piece. The only cool thing about the SNES mini was the fact its the exclusive way to actually own Star Fox 2.

I wonder if Croc and the Legend of the Gobbos makes an appearence. It ended up a Greatest Hits title. It’d be safe to bet on Gran Turismo 2 as well if the rights are in order.

Title: Re: PS1 Mini!
Post by †Adonael on 10/03/18 at 12:16:08
So far its a no for me.

And expecting me to preorder and only tell me 5 games? Insult my intelligence why don't you. None of the games mentioned so far are even rare or hard to come by so it's really hard too say yes to this thing at the moment.

also all the games shown in the 5 you can get for 5 bucks or less depending on the source.

Title: Re: PS1 Mini!
Post by MoshfieldAsylum on 10/03/18 at 19:50:13

†Adonael wrote on 10/03/18 at 12:16:08:

And expecting me to preorder and only tell me 5 games? Insult my intelligence why don't you. None of the games mentioned so far are even rare or hard to come by so it's really hard too say yes to this thing at the moment.

also all the games shown in the 5 you can get for 5 bucks or less depending on the source.


exactly. you can still buy a bunch of PS1 games on PS3's PSN Store for about 5 dollars each. So 100 dollars, not including tax, for 20 games... is basically 5 dollars per game. No deal at all from Sony for a bundle of games. Cheap bastards.

It's all about that vintage playstation design, which sony abandoned with ps2 & onwards. PS1 Mini is a cute novelty 90s nostalgia item that only has real value to people who never even played 20 ps1 games.

Title: Re: PS1 Mini!
Post by Malefactor on 10/04/18 at 10:34:53
The thing about the SNES mini, or NES mini, is the old methods of playing them wore out for me and the new device was nostalgic. Even then, I was seriously irritated they didn't give it a cartridge slot or at least the ability to download more games.

Now for the Playstation ... I still have my old one. There's my nostalgia. I also have a PS2, and a PS3.

Stick a disk reader on it (cheap tech these days) and I'll perk up.

Honestly, Sony needs to get its retro crap together. PS4 can't even play PS1 digital games I bought. Pisses me off.

Title: Re: PS1 Mini!
Post by Luis on 10/04/18 at 13:29:52
The main reason I bought the SNES Mini is so I can record SNES games in HD and have it full screen. I don't know how to do that with emulators. Also I can't use my real SNES anymore because one of the pins for the plug is bent and I can't reposition it so I can't turn on the SNES. The original Startfox is still best played on ZSNES 1.42 where the framerate is faster. I know Sony has a history of copying what Nintendo does but copying the Mini consoles is stupid when they have PSN and the PS3.

Title: Re: PS1 Mini!
Post by †Adonael on 10/04/18 at 13:56:10
I'd laugh if the only TM it had on it was TM 3.

Title: Re: PS1 Mini!
Post by Mr.SLaM on 10/04/18 at 14:48:13
Sony is honestly so clueless with their classic franchises, they probably would put TM3 or 4 in it.

Can we honestly say they know or care about our community at all? Probably not.

Although, if they were smart enough to put TM2 uo as a classic, maybe we'll get lucky.

Title: Re: PS1 Mini!
Post by MoshfieldAsylum on 10/04/18 at 19:48:51
They very well may put in TM III. That really would not surprise me.
It was commercially successful, a "greatest hits" title, and the first TM to be totally console-exclusive (since 1&2 had PC versions).
I'm almost kind of rooting for it to happen because that shit would be hilarious.

If Sony were smarter they would have included a PSN store on PS1 Mini where you could buy PS1 games, so people could add to the 20 already built-in.

and yeah, It's bullshit that it's not possible to play any PS1 games on PS4. I don't see why they don't add them to PS Now. It'd make that streaming app more popular if you could stream games from all playstation generations.

Title: Re: PS1 Mini!
Post by tmfan89 on 10/25/18 at 02:25:49

Luis wrote on 10/04/18 at 13:29:52:
The main reason I bought the SNES Mini is so I can record SNES games in HD and have it full screen. I don't know how to do that with emulators. Also I can't use my real SNES anymore because one of the pins for the plug is bent and I can't reposition it so I can't turn on the SNES. The original Startfox is still best played on ZSNES 1.42 where the framerate is faster. I know Sony has a history of copying what Nintendo does but copying the Mini consoles is stupid when they have PSN and the PS3.


I think you are missing who the audience for this is. Yes there are a ton of PS1 games you can buy on PSN if you own a PS3. But most people who will be buying this probably don't own a PS3 or PS4. This console is targeting older Playstation fans who have fallen off with gaming and would like something to play some of the old games on.

The hardest of the Hardcore Playstation fans will also buy this and the oldest generation of PS fans will buy up this thing. Sometimes people just want an easy way to play games they remembered playing 20 years ago. I think the fact that the previous "mini" consoles from Nintendo were hackable which helped provide value to people who can add hundreds of games to the system.

Sometimes people just want an easy way to play old games and these mini-consoles are designed for older gamers who don't have access to the PSN. This thing will sell well and I would be shocked to not see Twisted Metal 1 or 2 on the North American version of the console.

I would consider picking it up myself as I have 50 dollars in Best Buy credit and I have no clue what to spend it on so this might just make for either a good gift or something to put under the TV.

Title: Re: PS1 Mini!
Post by †Adonael on 10/25/18 at 16:31:00

tmfan89 wrote on 10/25/18 at 02:25:49:
I think you are missing who the audience for this is. Yes there are a ton of PS1 games you can buy on PSN if you own a PS3. But most people who will be buying this probably don't own a PS3 or PS4. This console is targeting older Playstation fans who have fallen off with gaming and would like something to play some of the old games on.


Most of us that have said we are not interested is that "older" PlayStation crowd. though most of us have at least ps3 if not a ps4 So I can't say any of us have completely fallen off gaming in the last decade.


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The hardest of the Hardcore Playstation fans will also buy this and the oldest generation of PS fans will buy up this thing. Sometimes people just want an easy way to play games they remembered playing 20 years ago. I think the fact that the previous "mini" consoles from Nintendo were hackable which helped provide value to people who can add hundreds of games to the system.


Hardest of the hardcore would buy Playstation branded shit logs if they were available  That demographic, which is known as the early adopters, is quite a small percentage, even though that is were advertisers and marketing tend to focus for some reason.


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Sometimes people just want an easy way to play old games and these mini-consoles are designed for older gamers who don't have access to the PSN. This thing will sell well and I would be shocked to not see Twisted Metal 1 or 2 on the North American version of the con
sole.



I don't agree with it being an easier way to play these games, but I do agree if hackers get into the system and learn things from it might get us better emulators, but that's all it really owns up to. Also with stores like V-stock, Ebay and Amazon you can get some of these games from 2-5 bucks. instead of spending 100 for a bunch of chaff you wont ever play.

Really what it is is them riding the coat tales of Nintendo and trying to cash in on nostalgia and hipster trends.


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I would consider picking it up myself as I have 50 dollars in Best Buy credit and I have no clue what to spend it on so this might just make for either a good gift or something to put under the TV.


See this I can agree with though. If you have it why not? Maybe we'll get surprised and some rare gems that are 100+ might be on there, but I don't think I'd get my hopes up.

If you do. Let us know how it is, and what games are on it. I'd like to hear some opinions on this from the people who do buy them.

Title: Re: PS1 Mini!
Post by tmfan89 on 10/26/18 at 04:16:29

†Adonael wrote on 10/25/18 at 16:31:00:
Most of us that have said we are not interested is that "older" PlayStation crowd. though most of us have at least ps3 if not a ps4 So I can't say any of us have completely fallen off gaming in the last decade.

Hardest of the hardcore would buy Playstation branded shit logs if they were available  That demographic, which is known as the early adopters, is quite a small percentage, even though that is were advertisers and marketing tend to focus for some reason.

I don't agree with it being an easier way to play these games, but I do agree if hackers get into the system and learn things from it might get us better emulators, but that's all it really owns up to. Also with stores like V-stock, Ebay and Amazon you can get some of these games from 2-5 bucks. instead of spending 100 for a bunch of chaff you wont ever play.

Really what it is is them riding the coat tales of Nintendo and trying to cash in on nostalgia and hipster trends.


I was more so talking about who the audience for the system in general is. I think often times fans who this isn't appealing to (like a lot of people on this board) can often forget the different audiences a product is trying to attract.

I know a lot of people on this board specifically have PS3's and PS4's and would just buy PS1 games on those systems. But there is a huge audience out there that fell off gaming with the PS2 or PS3 and no longer have those systems. The PS1 classic is $100 with the games already loaded onto there. That's way cheaper than buying a PS3 and buying all the games onto it.

It's cashing in on nostalgia for sure but there is a market for a simple way to play older games that people remember playing back in the day. The generation that was kids and teens/20 somethings when the PS1 was in its heyday are now in their late 20's to mid 40's. Now is the time to capture that audience's attention again. I don't think it is necessarily hipster either. Just more so hey we have this bigger audience that might have fallen off but still remember these games lets cash in like Nintendo did.

I have about 100 SNES games hacked onto my SNES mini and I pretty much play that more than I play my PS4 at this point. The plug and play nature of those systems, the original controllers they come with, and the fact that they are fairly affordable compared to buying a PS3/4 and the individual games which could cost more than double.

If the system is easily hackable and provides good overall emulation than I probably pick it up once the supply is easy to attain. I have a PS3 with Twisted 1, 2, and Black on there but if I can hack over 100 additional PS1 games onto there than I have basically everything I could have ever wanted to play on the PS1 on a plug and play system with original controllers.

And yes I know you can make a retro Pi. but having the original controllers to me makes a huge difference. Yes there are good retro knockoffs but nothing captures playing old games like playing them on their authentic controllers.

Title: Re: PS1 Mini!
Post by †Adonael on 10/26/18 at 16:42:09
You do realize I ment a ps1 right? Something you can get from anywhere to 25-50 bucks easy.

Title: Re: PS1 Mini!
Post by Luis on 10/27/18 at 04:23:05
Of course there's going to be people that will buy it because it's a new product. But the fact is the PS2, PS3 and PSP are the superior consoles because they all can play more than just PS1 games. The only downside to the PS2 and PSP is it's not HD. The PS2 can make PS1 games load faster and playing PS1 games while laying in bed with the PSP felt good. People can go ahead and pay $100 on a emulator box with 20 old PS1 games even though computers can run roms. I rather have a higher quality PlayStation that can do more than just play PS1 games. It's not the 90s anymore.


†Adonael wrote on 10/25/18 at 16:31:00:
Also with stores like V-stock, Ebay and Amazon you can get some of these games from 2-5 bucks. instead of spending 100 for a bunch of chaff you wont ever play.
Yeah I have the SNES Mini and there are some games on it that I'm not interested in playing. The games that I bought in the PSN were games that I actually wanted to play and beaten.

Title: Re: PS1 Mini!
Post by Devilbeast on 10/27/18 at 06:56:45

Luis wrote on 10/27/18 at 04:23:05:
Of course there's going to be people that will buy it because it's a new product. But the fact is the PS2, PS3 and PSP are the superior consoles because they all can play more than just PS1 games. The only downside to the PS2 and PSP is it's not HD. The PS2 can make PS1 games load faster and playing PS1 games while laying in bed with the PSP felt good. People can go ahead and pay $100 on a emulator box with 20 old PS1 games even though computers can run roms. I rather have a higher quality PlayStation that can do more than just play PS1 games. It's not the 90s anymore.

Yeah I have the SNES Mini and there are some games on it that I'm not interested in playing. The games that I bought in the PSN were games that I actually wanted to play and beaten.


I'd take the PS2 out of there due how many bugs and glitches it has while trying to play PS1 games. Some Slim models do not even play those games at all, and most PSX titles have some kind of errors in the shape of audio glitching, cutscenes skipping, game-breaking bugs (the classic example of Mortal Kombat Trilogy being unplayable due to the game crashing once you reach "Shao Kahn's Lost Treasures") amongst other things.

If anything, people that have PSPs and PS3s should be more than happy that they can play PS1 games (heck, even the PS3 has had some infamous moments with faulty 'PSX emulation', due to the console actually emulating the games in a not-so-reliable, 100% accurate way). There's always Xebra/Mednafen/Medgui for PC users. Me myself I still have my PSX and it feels different in a good way to play in a real console rather than through emulation.

Title: Re: PS1 Mini!
Post by Malefactor on 10/27/18 at 09:04:19

Paraphernalia wrote on 10/27/18 at 06:56:45:
I'd take the PS2 out of there due how many bugs and glitches it has while trying to play PS1 games. Some Slim models do not even play those games at all, and most PSX titles have some kind of errors in the shape of audio glitching, cutscenes skipping, game-breaking bugs (the classic example of Mortal Kombat Trilogy being unplayable due to the game crashing once you reach "Shao Kahn's Lost Treasures") amongst other things.

If anything, people that have PSPs and PS3s should be more than happy that they can play PS1 games (heck, even the PS3 has had some infamous moments with faulty 'PSX emulation', due to the console actually emulating the games in a not-so-reliable, 100% accurate way). There's always Xebra/Mednafen/Medgui for PC users. Me myself I still have my PSX and it feels different in a good way to play in a real console rather than through emulation.



I never had my PS2 cough on a single PS1 game. Far as I could tell it played them better. What's more, it had an actual Playstation in it. It wasn't done through software emulation.

Title: Re: PS1 Mini!
Post by Devilbeast on 10/27/18 at 17:11:30

Malefactor wrote on 10/27/18 at 09:04:19:
I never had my PS2 cough on a single PS1 game. Far as I could tell it played them better. What's more, it had an actual Playstation in it. It wasn't done through software emulation.


For some reason, it was my trusty PS3 that gave me the least problems when it came to PS1 games. I had a fat PS2 and it would read PSX games whenever it wanted to, and my new slim ps2 does the same and runs them like shit.

The PSX I bought this year cost me like 45 bucks and it is a beauty to behold. I lost my faith in SCPH-1001 models, regardless of its legendary 'RGA audio' and whatnot, I don't trust the power supply being so near the disc drive. The SCPH-5001, which is the one I purchased earlier this, still has the parallel IO port intact and a great disc drive.

Title: Re: PS1 Mini!
Post by tmfan89 on 10/29/18 at 01:18:06

†Adonael wrote on 10/26/18 at 16:42:09:
You do realize I ment a ps1 right? Something you can get from anywhere to 25-50 bucks easy.


Buying all those original PS1 games are way more expensive than just having an emulator box that can have hundreds of PS1 games pre-loaded onto it. Not to mention the PS1 classic is a plug and play, low maintenance (those old CD drives tend to be unreliable 20 years later,) and it has an HDMI out something a PS1 doesn't. Not to mention a lot of people hate having to store physical media.

The PS1 classic provides an easy way to play PS1 games that is plug and play and fairly affordable considering what original systems/games or PSN able systems would cost.

I don't get the hate for the product. Yes, you can create your own Rasberry Pi but some people don't care to put in that effort and want the original controllers to go along with something cute to put under their TV.

Title: Re: PS1 Mini!
Post by tmfan89 on 10/29/18 at 01:33:55

Luis wrote on 10/27/18 at 04:23:05:
Of course there's going to be people that will buy it because it's a new product. But the fact is the PS2, PS3 and PSP are the superior consoles because they all can play more than just PS1 games. The only downside to the PS2 and PSP is it's not HD. The PS2 can make PS1 games load faster and playing PS1 games while laying in bed with the PSP felt good. People can go ahead and pay $100 on a emulator box with 20 old PS1 games even though computers can run roms. I rather have a higher quality PlayStation that can do more than just play PS1 games. It's not the 90s anymore.

Yeah I have the SNES Mini and there are some games on it that I'm not interested in playing. The games that I bought in the PSN were games that I actually wanted to play and beaten.


While the PS2 and PS3 might offer you a better more complete gaming experience but it doesn't offer the same convenience and cost-effectiveness. The audience for this is people who fallen off with gaming and just want an easy way to play the old games they remember. It also is for older retro gaming fans who want to hack the system and be able to revisit the complete PS1 library while being able to use the original controllers.

Title: Re: PS1 Mini!
Post by -Kilrahi- on 11/04/18 at 06:28:01

tmfan89 wrote on 10/29/18 at 01:33:55:
While the PS2 and PS3 might offer you a better more complete gaming experience but it doesn't offer the same convenience and cost-effectiveness. The audience for this is people who fallen off with gaming and just want an easy way to play the old games they remember. It also is for older retro gaming fans who want to hack the system and be able to revisit the complete PS1 library while being able to use the original controllers.



Hey, if that's enough for you, kudos. It's just not enough for me. To be honest it feels like a complete rip off for $100.


NOW, if they'd given it a cheap modem and an SD slot with the ability to download more PS1 games off of the PSN store, yeah, I'd be all over that.


They didn't though, so for me, it's garbage. We'll have to see how it does in the market to see which group there are more of.

Title: Re: PS1 Mini!
Post by tmfan89 on 11/06/18 at 14:33:20

-Kilrahi- wrote on 11/04/18 at 06:28:01:
Hey, if that's enough for you, kudos. It's just not enough for me. To be honest it feels like a complete rip off for $100.


NOW, if they'd given it a cheap modem and an SD slot with the ability to download more PS1 games off of the PSN store, yeah, I'd be all over that.


They didn't though, so for me, it's garbage. We'll have to see how it does in the market to see which group there are more of.


I get that it might not be enough for some people. I honestly do. However I think a lot of people not understanding who would want this are missing who the intended audience for this is.

Also if you want more than 20 PS1 games on this thing it is likely that you will be able to easily hack this thing and put hundreds of PS1 games on it fairly easily. The SNES and NES mini's were easily hackable (I was able to hack my SNES Mini and the process was simple enough to the point where I think my dad could do it.) I have about 85 additional SNES games on my SNES Mini and there was enough memory to add a lot more.

So if you want something that can play those 20 games and be something you can add more to I would see how easily hackable the system is because you might be able to basically have any PS1 game you ever had any interest in playing on it for free.

This thing is going to do well in the market. The nostalgia for the PS1 is as strong if not stronger than the SNES and NES. If this thing is easily hackable then you have an appeal to a lot more people who will basically see this thing as a PS1 machine.

Title: Re: PS1 Mini!
Post by Malefactor on 11/13/18 at 18:17:51
I have to say, choosing to have the original Twisted Metal over World Tour is just dumb.

Title: Re: PS1 Mini!
Post by Psycho Se7eN on 11/14/18 at 07:20:32
Why not add both TM games? Why just one?

This mini is garbage.

Title: Re: PS1 Mini!
Post by Luis on 11/28/18 at 13:31:35
The only good thing about this mini is it will help introduce TM to people that never heard of this series. Other than that this mini is only worth buying if you can hack it because most of the games that are in it are bad choices. Puzzle Fighter over Street Fighter Alpha 3? Crap.

Title: Re: PS1 Mini!
Post by SynthR on 11/28/18 at 18:50:32
I agree with half the games on there, but the other half...they could have done better. Seriously. There are much better games that represented the Playstation, even games that I didn't particularly like but are synonymous with the brand.

Crash Bandicoot, Gran Turismo, Tomb Raider, Tony Hawk, Wipeout. FUCKING WIPEOUT! Like come on.

I'm a huge RPG nut and they could have made a version with 20 of the best RPGs the system had. It was an RPG beast.

I think they missed the mark on this one. Jumping Flash? A piece of shit launch title. Driller? Super Puzzle Fighter? Womp, womp. Destruction Derby 1 when it should be 2? Ugggggh.

Title: Re: PS1 Mini!
Post by Twisted912 on 12/12/18 at 14:17:12
TM2, Crash Bandicoot, Grand Turismo 2000, NASCAR 2003 And Tomb Raider should have been on this mini.

Title: Re: PS1 Mini!
Post by Luis on 01/15/19 at 17:29:03

-Kilrahi- wrote on 11/04/18 at 06:28:01:
They didn't though, so for me, it's garbage. We'll have to see how it does in the market to see which group there are more of.

The majority of people aren't buying it to the point stores are now selling the PS1 classic at a lower price just to get it off the shelves.

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