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Message started by IscreamYOUscream on 07/21/17 at 14:14:22

Title: NO respect for this site anymore *READ*
Post by IscreamYOUscream on 07/21/17 at 14:14:22
*To the developers of this site*

There's a Livestream I just listened to of Jaffe saying one of the main developers of this site in 2011 called his phone with rude comments of how he thought the game should be made, while Jaffe was with his father on his death bed in Alabama. 

He stated one of the reasons that he hasn't wanted to make a new Twisted Metal is because of how rude some of the fan base was on the development of the last game. (Particularly from this site)

I have NO respect for this site anymore.

Link below. Skip to 24:24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fGdMf1hWOA






Title: Re: NO respect for this site anymore *READ*
Post by Ripzsaur on 07/21/17 at 17:28:24
Lol k. It's a little less one-sided than that. Jaffe had plenty to say himself and the game was quite polarizing. But, I don't need to rehash an ancient argument. We can just look at the lasting fan base that TM2012 had. Oh wait. You're right, that's not a valid point, we can look at the quality online servers. Oh wait. No, we should look at how long the promised custom skins stayed online. Oh wait. It was polarizing because many fans felt betrayed and Jaffe didn't understand why and didn't really care. This game came after fans waited for 7 years. Some people on the site took the response to it out of hand, yes, but some of it was warranted. Some of it was just a lot of opinions. Some people LOVED the new game and defended it on this site. Your comment is uneducated and biased. Also, if one of the developers on our site had Jaffe's phone number and just called the dude up bitching him out on his dads death bed, I doubt Jaffe conveyed the situation he was in. I don't think anyone here would be that hot headed to the man. Even so, that's an individual not an entire site. Just think about that whenever you listen to someone's stories. Especially since Jaffe's stories are in retrospect and he hates the website now. He doesn't want to make a new TM not because of TMA, but because he is "burnt out" and he said so himself. The hardcore fans didn't like the game because it wasn't what they suggested he do, and he ignored major concerns.

Title: Re: NO respect for this site anymore *READ*
Post by Malefactor on 07/22/17 at 22:40:38

IscreamYOUscream wrote on 07/21/17 at 14:14:22:
*To the developers of this site*

There's a Livestream I just listened to of Jaffe saying one of the main developers of this site in 2011 called his phone with rude comments of how he thought the game should be made, while Jaffe was with his father on his death bed in Alabama. 

He stated one of the reasons that he hasn't wanted to make a new Twisted Metal is because of how rude some of the fan base was on the development of the last game. (Particularly from this site)

I have NO respect for this site anymore.

Link below. Skip to 24:24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fGdMf1hWOA


No one on this site was ever mean to Jaffe.  NO ONE. No one ever said anything bad about him, or the game developers.  NO ONE.

He did say bad stuff about us though, and his sole reason was that the majority of us couldn't stand his game.  He always does that though.  Just witness his reaction when the whole planet gave the finger to Drawn to Death.  He constantly blamed everyone but himself.

If you have a crush on Jaffe, fine, go send him love messages on Twitter.  No one is going to miss you.

As for another Twisted Metal - I pray to God every night Jaffe never attempts another one.


Edit:  By the way, the only person on this site that had a close connection to Jaffe is Mortimer, and Mortimer was 100% on board with the game up until its release in 2012.  Mortimer, though, does not have Jaffe's cell phone number, and I'll be damned if any of the rest of us do.  My God, in 2011 we all assumed it would be an awesome game.  No one on this site would have dared to lay into him . . . the guy was a God to us back then.

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Post by Malefactor on 07/22/17 at 23:04:25
To be fair to the guy, I went back to listen to his video and he did claim exactly that that an owner of this site laid into him by calling him up . . .

which again is just beyond belief to me. It's easy for me to ask though.

Honestly, if I'm just going to be non internet persona for a bit, I wish him no ill will.  He has a family, this is his livelihood, and I hope he starts to see more success because he hasn't had any for a while. I think he has some issues with his game development theory lately, and I am dead serious that I have no interest in him doing another Twisted Metal (and I will always be burned that he trashed all of us when all we did was trash his game), but hell, hope he has a great life.

Title: Re: NO respect for this site anymore *READ*
Post by RoaDiE on 07/23/17 at 06:14:32
I didn't really want to post but I think I will. Time to beat the dead horse.

I think there are two sides to every story, and somehow I question the validity of his. Given my history with both parties.

As for the other stuff mentioned in the video, it is clear Jaffe still does. not. get. it.

"It wasn't exactly like Twisted Black" "They were looking for something different"
He still believes and regurgitates the same rhetoric we wanted a TMB clone. And he still thinks the gameplay was good in TMX and we wanted something different.

Man. We just wanted a game that was mechanically intelligent, not scaled back or watered down from the ocean we had before. We just wanted what TM always had. Deep, meaningful, layered, and varied combat. That's it. We didn't want DIFFERENT. We wanted something fun.

Case in point: at the highest levels of play TM2 and TMB are near opposite play-style and pacing of games are so damn different. But both are sound and solid games mechanically. TMB or TM2 style, who cares. We just wanted something on par. We didn't get that.

We worshiped this man like a god for a decade and attributed him to all the good things the franchise had going for it in years past. And when the new game came out and we intelligently dissected and pointed out how and where it failed to impress - and how it needed to be better in some areas, we were met with instant hostility. I have never seen such a poor response from a development team in my life. There was no community interaction to get patches through or get any feedback whatsoever. It was labels of "elitist" being thrown around. Dev teams take note: this is the best approach if you want to kill a fan-base.

Title: Re: NO respect for this site anymore *READ*
Post by †Adonael on 07/23/17 at 16:52:27
Well, if you were here when this all went down, you pretty much know the story.

Having talked to mort, a bit. I don't know him personally like most of them, I couldn't ever see him being an asshole to Jaffe in the way he explains.

What I really think Jaffe needs is to be single for awhile. He's had a lot of shit happen in his life and I just think taking a break from game development might do him some good.

Am I going to stand up for a lot of his shit? No not really.

That's about all I gotta say. I really don't feel like rehashing the past.

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Post by The Truth on 07/23/17 at 16:57:29
This is just more Jaffe playing the victim instead of taking responsibility for his mistakes. I'd love to hear some more about this caller. I highly doubt Mortimer would of done something like that. Which means it is complete made up horse shit or Jaffe was talking to someone who he thinks ran the site. Would be hilarious if the caller was Blair.

It wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't even know who made the site. He is completely out of touch with what was TMA and the games themselves. He made a ton of statements about TMA/TM that are clueless and wrong. I love every time he gives the excuse "I don't know what the hardcore crowd wants and there is no way I can please them". It is such a load of shit, TMA was full of feedback. Including the most valuable feedback from the only people to ever play a deep combat TM(TM2PC/TMBO) in an online/competitive setting. Hell, some people even wrote very detailed stuff back when ESP was created on the ESP forum.

Apparently he didn't think too much of TMA to begin with considering he completely ignored us. He was all over various forums/twitter. He literally could of spent 5 mins and made a thread here titled "Hey assholes, what do you like in TM? what kept you guys playing online so long?" I guess he assumed that whatever he put out that we were going to love it. His time was better spent getting feedback on dumb shit from people who only played TM2 single player story back in 1996. Seriously as a game developer making a sequel, you need to be more in touch with your hardcore fan base.

You also need to be more in touch with the damn games you created. Asking something like "What is dodging? How do you guys dodge?" when you are about to release a sequel is an absolute failure. I suppose we can't blame Jaffe for not knowing what the hardcore crowd wants, after all he didn't know that everyone wanted a working online game. Its hard for people to get into car combat in this day and age when they can't connect and play. Its especially hard when you drive away your hardcore base because you have no idea what you are doing.

Title: Re: NO respect for this site anymore *READ*
Post by MoshfieldAsylum on 07/24/17 at 16:39:35

IscreamYOUscream wrote on 07/21/17 at 14:14:22:
*To the developers of this site*

There's a Livestream I just listened to of Jaffe saying one of the main developers of this site in 2011 called his phone with rude comments of how he thought the game should be made, while Jaffe was with his father on his death bed in Alabama. 

He stated one of the reasons that he hasn't wanted to make a new Twisted Metal is because of how rude some of the fan base was on the development of the last game. (Particularly from this site)

I have NO respect for this site anymore.

Link below. Skip to 24:24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fGdMf1hWOA


I'm not going to watch the video because Jaffe craves the attention but as a member of this site since the beginning I never knew of any TMA member, in particular Mortimer, having Jaffe's phone number, otherwise Mortimer would have called and told him to go fuck himself about 2 years ago or whenever it was when Jaffe decided to ignore the founder of TMA, the only TM fan site that's been around since the PS1 era of TM games. Jaffe pretended to be a friend but only cared about himself and he's had quite a losing streak lately that started around his shoddy PS2 port for Head-On, continued with Calling All Cars, TMX, & Drawn to Death. He is a has-been who is out of touch with reality. I bet he is exaggerating about someone from TMA having called him. It was probably an e-mail and he probably misinterpreted it because he was grieving at the time.
Jaffe is not a man of his word either. When TMX came out he had told Mortimer he would send free copies to the TMA members who were thanked in the Special Thanks & yet they never got copies of the game. When Head-On's PS2 port was being made I was in possession of a VHS tape with the Twisted Metal 1 cutscenes that was sent to me as a gift from Jaffe to TMA. I sent it back to him for the game when requested expecting to get a thank you but he wasn't grateful about it and he left out several TM1 story scenes from the extras so I was pretty disappointed with how rushed Extra Twisted came out. Couldn't be bothered putting in Online modes for the port either, & made up that fake story about TMB2 developers dying in a plane crash without even checking with them if they'd be cool with that joke.
Also, When Drawn to Death had a beta on PS4 I joined and found the game had many issues and got banned from the forum for venting & explaining the game's problems. Jaffe can't take criticism. I even got banned on PSN for 2 weeks, when all I did was give the game negative feedback on a forum that only accepted praise.
Jaffe is really the bully but likes to play the victim card. I don't know why Sony gives him so many chances but I'm sure he'll get yet another game despite Drawn to Death being a complete failure, although in his reality it was the bad reviews & internet trolls to blame. Guy has no guts. He still hasn't apologized for Twisted Metal 2012 being a barely working piece of shit. That's the least he could do considering it was Twisted Metal fans that gave this guy a career. Not that I'd ever want another Jaffe Twisted Metal game. 

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Post by Ripzsaur on 07/25/17 at 05:41:53

MoshfieldAsylum wrote on 07/24/17 at 16:39:35:
That's the least he could do considering it was Twisted Metal fans that gave this guy a career. Not that I'd ever want another Jaffe Twisted Metal game. 

"We were kinda hanging by a thread. I mea-... We pissed off all the developers we worked with, we thought we knew everything, we knew absolutely nothing. And our boss called us in when he heard about these guys in Utah, working for the military. I remembe-- I remember this meeting, he's like-- he's like: 'Look, my feet are at the fire at this with you guys. It's like, this is kinda like your last chance, don't screw this up' "

"I said, 'I'm gonna start looking for a new job tomorrow, they're gonna fucking fire me cause this [Twisted Metal 1] is a disaster.' But it wasn't... We ended up with a game that a lot of people really loved to the point we were getting a lot of major awards for it [GOTY Electronic Gaming Monthly Magazine]."

-David Jaffe, "Twisted Metal: The Dark Past"

Title: Re: NO respect for this site anymore *READ*
Post by MoshfieldAsylum on 07/25/17 at 22:34:58

Ripzsaur wrote on 07/25/17 at 05:41:53:
"We were kinda hanging by a thread. I mea-... We pissed off all the developers we worked with, we thought we knew everything, we knew absolutely nothing. And our boss called us in when he heard about these guys in Utah, working for the military. I remembe-- I remember this meeting, he's like-- he's like: 'Look, my feet are at the fire at this with you guys. It's like, this is kinda like your last chance, don't screw this up' "

"I said, 'I'm gonna start looking for a new job tomorrow, they're gonna fucking fire me cause this [Twisted Metal 1] is a disaster.' But it wasn't... We ended up with a game that a lot of people really loved to the point we were getting a lot of major awards for it [GOTY Electronic Gaming Monthly Magazine]."

-David Jaffe, "Twisted Metal: The Dark Past"


Yeah I remember him saying this and I was surprised at how little faith he had in Twisted Metal 1. He was looking at things from a selfish point-of-view. Did he say what Mike Giam thought of the final product? No, he didn't. The cutscenes were a failure so Jaffe's movies were taken out of the game and replaced with text endings. That may have been unfortunate for him but TM1 was a good game, I don't know why he didn't believe in it. Back in those days getting a video game award in a magazine was a big deal, although the game was not universally accepted either. IGN gave both TM1 & 2 an average score of 7, and Japan could have cared less that there was a PC port of the game at the time.
It was the TM fans dedication that allowed the series to survive. TMA was founded when 989 delivered its 2nd failure of a TM game and the need to return the series to its roots was what was called for, and that involved bringing back the old TM team, which Jaffe was lucky to have been on. if fans did not buy and suffer through those shitty 989 games there would have been no TM revival for PS2, & the success of TM Black gave Jaffe the opportunity to do the first God of War, which evolved into a successful series (that didn't need him after the first game) - so he was pretty lucky how things worked out considering. and TMAlliance once got mentioned in a major magazine in a TMB preview so it was no secret that the fans helped him succeed. successes aside Jaffe had no faith in the first game, ditched the series after the 2nd game, came back after 989 couldn't succeed, ditched the series then came back to make a bad port & a TM reboot that most people felt sucked (I'll acknowledge a minority enjoy it), and has re-quit on the series as of 2012. if anyone still has faith in Jaffe making the great successor to TM2 & TMBlack in the future then that person is a fool because most of the fans aren't that stupid and aren't expecting or wanting it out of him and whatever studio he is temporarily involved with at the time. look at Drawn to Death, where the fans at? where is its Game of the Year award?
As long as TM fans are still alive and not yet dead from old age the series will live on somehow, some way, through TMBO, TM2 PC, TMX, PS All Stars, or however, and maybe some other studio can make a TM game that the fans can enjoy, but the career of Jaffe is over. Once he disrespected the TM fans and pissed the media off he screwed himself over.

Title: Re: NO respect for this site anymore *READ*
Post by Magnum on 07/26/17 at 21:41:15
It's interesting to hear a comment an opinion from someone who made a profile here roughly 4 years ago, with 4 comments to the site. I know alot of people lurk but, just to come to this site with a post like this is amusing really. Especially to someone like Mosh who is arguably a "founder" of TMA. The man has literally been here from the beginning in 2001. It's also a little insulting to alot of us here who have been at this site in it's "Golden Age" so to say. If there was any example on how to kill your biggest fan base, this site was it as Road said. If you were not here for it, you wouldn't understand. The only idea that you could possibly get is to go back in the sites post pages, and dig through them. Most people don't like research so, that always goes by the way side.   

Like Mosh said, I don't even have to watch the video to know that has to be some kind of bullshit. If anyone had Jaffe's phone number it would be Mort but, from as long as I have known him he was only able to e-mail to him as the most direct way of contact. It's actually no ones business really the hows or why's Mort could get into contact with him, and I very highly doubt Mort would do such a thing. I haven't seen or heard from him here in over 5 years (i think) and I still don't think he would do something like that. 

Blair FTW BTW.....but I strongly believe even he wouldn't be that stupid.

I do have to chuckle at someone who has only made 4 comments on this site to make one of his 4 "no respect for this site" That's ok because it's not like you were here a whole lot to even give it any in the 1st place, and give some meaningful/relevant/thoughtful  input. We can definitely take criticism here really well can't you see?

It's how busy this site is that shows it!!!  ::)

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Post by Mr.SLaM on 07/27/17 at 01:26:52
I think a lot of the users on here already gave great responses that should suffice, however, I'll have to give my two cents.

I've been on here since the late 2000's. Back when TMA was on the old site. The community was really rich and thriving leading up to the release of Twisted Metal PS3. After that game released, it ripped this place apart. People were not happy with the piss poor product they got. Regardless of gameplay and story, it suffered from instability and online connectivity issues. Then on top of that, you had a really half baked singleplayer and characters, which turned the community off even more. I had my nastolgic eyed fun with the game for a few weeks, but when nothing improved, it really just left me dissapointed. When someone waits almost a decade for an installment of their favorite series, and they get handed shit, it's bound to not end well.

Jaffe cannot take any constructive critisism. I have been following his Twitter for years, and his blog. The older I get, and the more I persue game development as a career, I dislike him more and more. Jaffe is a big reason why I'm a game designer, and I really wanted to work with him, but after D2D, it was apparent he was not the man I held on that metaphorical pedestal. He's a lesson of what not to do as a game developer.
If he said from the beginning he wanted to make the Twisted Metal game he wanted, I think he would have had a lot more acceptance. However, the fact that he made it seem like he was asking for community feedback, but was too stupid to look for it, and make use of it, rubbed a lot of us the wrong way. Don't ask us for help, and then give us the finger when we give you feedback.
I highly doubt any owner or mod at this site called Jaffe up and bitched at him. That is extremely far fetched, and the people who run this site are top notch.

The most controversial thing to come out of this site was my stupid racist middle schooler remarks I made towards the music that should be in TMPS3. Which fun fact, I'm probably responsible for NWA being in the game, and I love NWA.

This has been beaten to death. What's done is done. Whoever gets to make a new TM game should hopefully be a passionate fan of the series, and for the love of god, I can only hope I could get my hands on it.

Sorry in advance for spelling. 

Title: Re: NO respect for this site anymore *READ*
Post by Malefactor on 07/27/17 at 03:30:08
I've never shared this particular Jaffe story and since it's part of Twisted Metal's history, and this thread has gained life (so thank you for giving this site energy for a bit), I'm going to share it.  Since it's a Jaffe story it's relevant too.

First, I used to correspond with him occasionally.  Not like we were buds or anything, but he knew me from TMA, knew my TMA name, etc. I was very supportive of some of his more controversial changes. For example, removing all but three characters, doing full motion video - I was willing to keep an open mind and he seemed to appreciate it.  He gave me a free game once where I was in the credits.  Awww memories.

He kept asking us for feedback.  I gave him mountains of feedback, particularly on his ESP site where he said it was all being archived and stored. He claimed he was at least reading it, though he was under no obligation to follow it (which I understood). 

Then a few weeks before the game's release he asked us what we meant by dodging and my world was shaken up. How could you have not understood my core complaint about TMHO? Did you actually read any of what I'd written? That stuff took HOURS AND HOURS to write and put in an organized form . . . There's more stuff that happened too but this really isn't that story . . .

It's the story of a meetup I had with him about a year later, in 2013.

Back then Jaffe's blog was more active, and he would occasionally host chats there.  For some reason he was hosting a chat, and I entered it.  By then I was certain that if I used the name he knew me from he'd kick me from the chat, so I went in as a no name.

I told him that I had a question. He told me to go ahead and ask. The following is a reenactment of the conversation, paraphrased, but I think pretty fair and accurate to both parties:

Malefactor: We always praised you and your teams as Gods. Even when the new game came out and the majority of the hardcore fan base vehemently rejected it, we still said great things about you, but you completely cut your ties and scorned us.  Why?

Jaffe: I certainly didn't mean to criticize everyone, or everybody, but this was our baby.  We put tons of time and money into it and the reaction was painful. I don't hate all the fans, I love most of the fans and appreciate their support.

Malefactor: I can understand where you're coming from and even think I'd have a lot of the same feelings, but you're reading a hardcore fan site. It's going to have strong opinions, that's what a fan site is.  We're not writing the stuff thinking about how you will feel about it. Passion is what a fan site is built on.

Jaffe:  I understand that, but I think you could be more self aware about how the people who made this product you care about are reacting to your comments.  You can choose to be more diplomatic about it when you know that we are reviewing it and when you claim to care about us as people.

Malefactor:  Do you remember how strongly you reacted online to Kingdom of the Crystal Skull?

Jaffe: Yeah, but I don't think Steven Spielberg was reading it either. I think if he had been I would have been more gentle.

Malefactor: But don't you think he read a Jaffe like comment somewhere from someone numerous times?  He's not oblivious to the reaction to his movie, and isn't that a good thing? Notice he hasn't come out against the fans?

I just think that you are probably right in a just world we would temper our feedback because of the feelings involved . . . But I think people like Spielberg rightly recognize that that feedback, however harsh, is essential to getting it right the next time. I'm worried your approach is going to come back to bite you in the long run.

****END STORY****

At that point I exited the chat before he could boot me . . . Not saying he would have . . . But I felt like I was on borrowed time as it was and my point had been made, and he'd done a good job of explaining his views.

Honestly, I think he has a point, and I do often look back and feel bad that feelings were hurt with how much I said the new homing missiles sucked, and on and on and on. I met the vast majority of the team who worked on the new Twisted Metal in person.  For many of them it was their first project, and they were excited to work on a legendary series and probably hoped it would lead to career sucess (as we've all felt at times in our careers).  All of us know how much those failures hurt, and I bet they felt backstabbed because it probably seemed like all of our praise was fake (it wasn't - it's just that the love of the product always hinged on the condition of quality). Numerous bridges were burned in 2012.

Yet, as much as I empathize with those feelings and understand them, I think at the end of the day Jaffe's idea simply can't work and if he tries to fight against it he loses a bigger battle. I am the consumer of Twisted Metal. I'm the one who dropped the $60 and I'm the one who actually plays a role in keeping the franchise alive through word of mouth. History shows time and time again that if you come out against the fans and claim they're just dead wrong you're product eventually stalls and dies.

Look at recent history. Mass Effect's recent release was much maligned, and the designers didn't come out in huge scorn against the fans. They still have a chance to get it right. Same thing happened to Dragon Age, and they followed up with a third installment that was much beloved. Diablo 3 was completely re shaped to be a much more successful product after Blizzard realized the fans did have some valid points. Disney's Marvel Universe movies that largely, and for the most part, listen to fans have done far better than the DC Universe which hasn't made that part of its paradigm (except for Wonder Woman which DID start to listen - and it's the most successful one yet).

Games, movies, even music where designers rage against everyone for not "getting it" fade out of existence.

Which, so far, is exactly what Drawn to Death ... and Twisted Metal ... is doing.

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Post by Malefactor on 07/27/17 at 05:00:50
So I asked Mort in AIM. He responded and said, "No, that's very much fake news."

Again, doesn't have his cell number, and he agreed that even if he did he would never be so obtuse and arrogant too think he can demand Jaffe's time.

The only person on this site who I can ever see doing that is Blair, who is not mentally all there, and certainly never ran this site.

Also hopefully Jaffe never gave him his cell. Hopefully no one else ever gave Blair their cell either.  That's just suicide.

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Post by Muddeh on 07/29/17 at 11:47:10
Jaffe's response:

https://twitter.com/MuddyMaestro/status/889968753282121728

Blunt response is blunt.

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Post by Thumpy on 07/29/17 at 16:34:09
I hope I don't die of old age before the next great TM comes out.

For the last 3-4 years I predicted there would be a new TM announcement at the 2017 E3 show.

So much for my physic powers.

So Jaffe got a rude phone call....that's about all I got out of this post, I knew everything else and I do agree with all the comments everyone made except for the person who started this post from the beginning.







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Post by Malefactor on 07/29/17 at 17:32:59

Muddeh wrote on 07/29/17 at 11:47:10:
Jaffe's response:

https://twitter.com/MuddyMaestro/status/889968753282121728

Blunt response is blunt.


Ugggh . . .  as usual Muddeh you don't seem on point. I don't feel like you asked him a legitimate version of what we were saying. It doesn't even seem all that on topic (slandered - that word doesn't even apply).

His answer is blunt though.  Still wish you hadn't of asked it.

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Post by The Truth on 07/29/17 at 21:28:39
Wow, I really don't want to be mean but Muddeh your comprehension is atrocious. I knew it was bad from the various threads over the years but I was not expecting this. Your question to him was way off and on top of that asked in way that he could easily weasel out of it.

However it really doesn't matter though I expected a blunt answer or silence no matter what was asked. We already know that one of the following is true. He either didn't really know who he was talking to which would make him look like a moron. He made it up to take a jab at TMA especially at Mortimer and downplay his failures which makes him a scumbag. Mortimer himself even asked him wtf he was talking about on the youtube video. I guess hes too much of a coward to address it, I'm sure he'll play victim some more in future streams/interviews.


Malefactor wrote on 07/27/17 at 03:30:08:
I've never shared this particular Jaffe story and since it's part of Twisted Metal's history, and this thread has gained life (so thank you for giving this site energy for a bit), I'm going to share it.  Since it's a Jaffe story it's relevant too.


Some day Jaffe's going to tell his version of this story and it will be a little different....

"I remember one time this crazed asshole fan called me up and was going off on me about how he wanted twisted metal made. I made it pretty clear to him that I was in the middle of giving an eulogy at my dad's funeral. After berating me some more he finally hung up. Not but 5 minutes go by and I see someone come charging into the funeral home. It was the same asshole on the phone and he then REALLY started giving me shit about wanting to dodge machine gun fire or some shit. Finally before he walked out he slapped me across face then knocked the coffin on the floor. I knew at that point that I was never going to please the hardcore crowd."


Malefactor wrote on 07/27/17 at 05:00:50:
So I asked Mort in AIM. He responded and said, "No, that's very much fake news."


Well its good to know that if Jaffe's game making career comes to an end that he'll have a promising career at CNN.

Seriously though Jaffe could take like 10 minutes to make an account and post more details here if this really happened. I and I'm sure everyone else would like to know exactly what went on if anything and who he was talking to. However since he never bothered to post here when he was working on the game then there is no way he will now.

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Post by Muddeh on 07/29/17 at 23:28:00

Malefactor wrote on 07/29/17 at 17:32:59:
Ugggh . . .  as usual Muddeh you don't seem on point. I don't feel like you asked him a legitimate version of what we were saying. It doesn't even seem all that on topic (slandered - that word doesn't even apply).

His answer is blunt though.  Still wish you hadn't of asked it.

slan·der

verb

1. make false and damaging statements about


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OP's post was about the phone call which Jaffe seemed to pull out of his ass, or otherwise greatly hyperbolized. Jaffe didn't like how fanbase received the game and can't justify the fact he didn't listen to the fans, so he slandered them to play the victim. So yes, it is an appropriate word to use.


The Truth wrote on 07/29/17 at 21:28:39:
Wow, I really don't want to be mean but Muddeh your comprehension is atrocious. I knew it was bad from the various threads over the years but I was not expecting this. Your question to him was way off and on top of that asked in way that he could easily weasel out of it.

Go ahead and tweet Jaffe "why'd you make up a lie to cover your ass for fucking over TM and its fans" and see what kind of response you'll get. Actually, I'll tell you the answer. You'll get none. It's exceptionally rare he responds to anything accusatory on Twitter, and there's hardly a way to ask him without inferring guilt upon him. If you want to get into laundry list of fuck-ups that were discussed later in the thread, message him yourself. I tweeted him specifically regarding OP's accusations, and got a response.

Besides that, the bluntness of the message is very telling. Jaffe is an impassioned man and is more than willing to write multi-tweet posts discussing social issues and things that correlate with how he views the world. The fact that he didn't ignore the tweet and shrug it off shows its relevant to him, but at the same time the fact he may have just posted his shortest tweet of 2017 along with dodging the question speaks volumes. Hell, ironically if you apply his answer to the actual question, you could interpret as him not at all being able to set the record straight and having lied. Obviously it's more likely his response was whether he was intentionally slanderous, but it's funny Freudian slip nontheless.

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Post by Malefactor on 07/30/17 at 06:12:32
A lot of word usage is the cultural customary context.  Generally slander or libel is used in association with written or video reporting, and has a strong legal tone.

You can force it here, but it makes the conversation take on a much more formal legal tone than is clearly intended by us.

Finally, your question frames it as if he slandered the entire fan base, or that we feel he did, which is way over the top of what either him or we are saying. He even says "some," and we all know he says "some."

How can he slander the entire fan base with the word "some?" He can't, and if that's our position we're dumbasses. It's, of course, not our position which is part of the problem with your question. You make us look dumb.

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Post by RoaDiE on 07/30/17 at 08:45:30
I get what Muddy was trying to say, it's all good lol. I don't think we could ask any questions of Jaffe that would get a proper response, or a fair one. Poor Mort though, I see his comment in the video.

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Post by Luis on 07/30/17 at 09:37:10
I still remember Jaffe getting pissed off by someone in TMA that didn't like the music he was using for TMPS3. Said the music was garbage or something. I think that was part of the reason why he doesn't like this site. Some of the feedbacks were too harsh.

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Post by Muddeh on 07/30/17 at 10:09:42
The word choice was fine. Yes, it carries a more formal tone so it doesn't come off as a personal attack on his character, which he wouldn't respond to. If I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt he would respond no matter what I said to him, then I would have phrased it differently, but considering he doesn't even respond to most of his fanfare, it was fortunate to even get a response out of him.

And sure, if you take the tweet entirely out of context then it would appear to be a broadly encompassing all TM fans. But the link is given and the tweet is left as an open-ended question so he would have to read further in order to respond properly. If I had mentioned just the hardcore fans, he wouldn't have responded, and I knew I would have to feed him clickbait in order for him to feel he had any stake in the matter.

For all intents and purposes, an attack on "some" of the most avid fans who have the greatest knowledge of the genre and wanted only to make TM the best game possible is an attack on the fanbase as a whole.

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Post by Spag on 07/30/17 at 13:04:34
Eh, it's alright Muddeh. I get what you were asking, but as it was already said Jaffe isn't one to give answers lol.

I find it ridiculous that he would make up some bullshit on a stream just for pity though.

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Post by Malefactor on 07/30/17 at 15:45:58

Muddeh wrote on 07/29/17 at 23:28:00:
The fact that he didn't ignore the tweet and shrug it off shows its relevant to him, but at the same time the fact he may have just posted his shortest tweet of 2017 along with dodging the question speaks volumes.


Damn I'll say.  Even Jaffe loves dodging. 

So WTF was his deal with 2012?! ;)

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Post by RoaDiE on 07/30/17 at 21:08:02

Malefactor wrote on 07/30/17 at 15:45:58:
Damn I'll say.  Even Jaffe loves dodging. 

So WTF was his deal with 2012?! ;)



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Post by The Truth on 07/30/17 at 22:11:20

Malefactor wrote on 07/30/17 at 15:45:58:
Damn I'll say.  Even Jaffe loves dodging. 

So WTF was his deal with 2012?! ;)


My guess is that the during the "call", the "guy who ran the site" told him that we did not want dodging and to get rid of it.

I'm looking forward to the next stream someone posts here where Jaffe talks about how big of assholes we are for calling him out on his bogus story.

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Post by Varia31 on 08/01/17 at 09:57:54
Well, Jaffe is now apologizing about what he said on the stream. Specifically about the "call" he supposedly received. He's basically clearing up that it was actually emails rather than a phone call.
Four tweets about it.
-Part 1: https://twitter.com/davidscottjaffe/status/890944773686607872
-Part 2: https://twitter.com/davidscottjaffe/status/890944975852118018
-Part 3: https://twitter.com/davidscottjaffe/status/890945111093239808
-Part 4: https://twitter.com/davidscottjaffe/status/890945316177850368

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Post by MoshfieldAsylum on 08/01/17 at 14:55:03

Varia31 wrote on 08/01/17 at 09:57:54:
Well, Jaffe is now apologizing about what he said on the stream. Specifically about the "call" he supposedly received. He's basically clearing up that it was actually emails rather than a phone call.
Four tweets about it.
-Part 1: https://twitter.com/davidscottjaffe/status/890944773686607872
-Part 2: https://twitter.com/davidscottjaffe/status/890944975852118018
-Part 3: https://twitter.com/davidscottjaffe/status/890945111093239808
-Part 4: https://twitter.com/davidscottjaffe/status/890945316177850368


;D I called it

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Post by The Truth on 08/01/17 at 16:19:12
Awesome, didn't think Jaffe would say anything else. Looks like TMA's yearly action gets to keep going!

His apology is pure bullshit. He PURPOSELY said it was a call and said in such a way for maximum impact. Made it sound like whoever he was talking to was a ruthless asshole who called him while he knew hes with his dying dad in the hospital or something. There is no way you can confuse a phone call with emails. Getting emails on a cell phone or being under a tough situation doesn't cause you to just make up shit. You would distinctly remember talking to someone that was causing emotional distress especially while you were already going through a tough time in your life.

We'll have to see what Mort has to say in regards to emailing if it was even him. As far as I'm concerned what whatever Mort says is what happened now as Jaffe lost all his credibility when he made up the "call".

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Post by Malefactor on 08/01/17 at 18:35:44
Awwww yes . . . aggressive e-mails.  Quite possibly the most difficult thing for people to deal with during a trying time in your life because, as we all know . . .

YOU HAVE TO READ AN E-MAIL RIGHT WHEN YOU GET IT, and the worst part is YOU CAN'T DELETE THEM UNTIL YOU'VE READ THEM.

I can't tell you how many penis implant e-mails I've had to suffer through in the last year alone.   :-[

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Post by Magnum on 08/02/17 at 09:09:08
I don't think we need to find out anything from Mort. Call, e-mail, snail mail, or text I still don't believe Mort would even do that.

And where the hell is this dude that started this post with his 4 post record over the course of 4 years? 1st off,
thanks for smacking the hornet nest again. It's given us something to talk about. And 2ndly, WTF you got to say for yourself since Jaffe backtracked and basicly,
kinda, sorta, maybe a little bit

fucking lied?

Ohhh......that's right! I guess I got to wait another year for you to answer!

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Post by MoshfieldAsylum on 08/02/17 at 15:01:52

Magnum wrote on 08/02/17 at 09:09:08:
I don't think we need to find out anything from Mort. Call, e-mail, snail mail, or text I still don't believe Mort would even do that.

And where the hell is this dude that started this post with his 4 post record over the course of 4 years? 1st off,
thanks for smacking the hornet nest again. It's given us something to talk about. And 2ndly, WTF you got to say for yourself since Jaffe backtracked and basicly,
kinda, sorta, maybe a little bit

fucking lied?

Ohhh......that's right! I guess I got to wait another year for you to answer!



Yeah, it's obvious the OP is not an actual TMA visitor in any capacity ("to the developers of this site" lol who says that).
You would think by what the OP said & by his poster name that he is a butthurt Twisted Metal fan looking to blame TMA for Jaffe not making another Twisted Metal. I do not think this is the actual case, that just sounds a little odd doesn't it? I think he is a butthurt Drawn to Death fan who thinks too highly of Jaffe and was trying to score points with him by disrespecting TMA. totally backfired though, the OP accidentally exposed Jaffe as (more of) a liar & gave this forum far more attention than the Drawn to Death forum.

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Post by Malefactor on 08/02/17 at 20:30:25
There is, of course, a lot of crap that rises out of this thread. The most obvious is that Jaffe is willing to significantly exaggerate a story if it serves his purposes. In the original story, the caller is an aggressive douche who won't take no for an answer and insists on going on and on about how the unreleased Twisted Metal could be better (and since they can't have played the game, it makes them look like even more of a jerk).

In the new version, it's an unassuming e-mail.  An e-mail can be ignored, deleted, blocked . . . there's nothing overtly offensive about just receiving one, even if it has suggestions for the game, AND even if you receive it as a member of your family is dying. Nevertheless, in his new story he is still somehow offended by it.

It gets worse though when you really think about it.  I don't have Jaffe's e-mail.  Do you?  It's not something that can just be looked up, and I'm willing to bet it's not something that he will just give to you if you ask for it.  So IF it's true that there was an e-mail, then it's almost certainly true that Jaffe gave it to this person in order to give him feedback.

IF he gave it to him though, then why the hell would he be surprised and/or upset if he suddenly received an e-mail?  He ssure as hell shouldn't be unless they're calling him "bitch momma" in the e-mail.  He ought to be expecting an e-mail.

Based on these changes though, there's really no reason to even believe the new e-mail story.  It just doesn't add up, and since the story has already had a significant change all of the details are suspect.

I'm starting to wonder if what he really did was take all of the Twisted Metal fan correspondence over the years that he now finds annoying, and channeled it all into a daydream where we're one big bastard who calls him and annoys him as his dad was dying.  Seems plausible.

What's really frustrating is his perception of the fanbase.  I've seen for many franchises when fans get upset they say cruel things to the developers. They harass them. They make death threats.  We waited over ten whole years for a worthy sequel only to get a glitched out, buggy, and watered down piece of shit. We didn't trash him or his team though. We argued with each other, and then went back to our lives and playing the old games.

In return he ran our names through the mud, permanently wrote us off, and now makes up bullshit about us being abusive assholes when someone's Dad is dying.

Real classy.

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Post by MoshfieldAsylum on 08/02/17 at 21:02:04

Malefactor wrote on 08/02/17 at 20:30:25:
  In the original story, the caller is an aggressive douche who won't take no for an answer and insists on going on and on about how the unreleased Twisted Metal could be better (and since they can't have played the game, it makes them look like even more of a jerk).   


Yeah, his timeline of events make no sense. Jaffe and Mort talked after TMX came out & in Jaffe's Twisted Metal contest in 2012 two of the three winners were TMA posters (myself & Kilrgrn). Jaffe even shared one of Mort's TMX youtube videos on Twitter... and that was like about 2 years after the game came out.

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Post by Mr.SLaM on 08/02/17 at 22:00:29

Malefactor wrote on 08/02/17 at 20:30:25:
What's really frustrating is his perception of the fanbase.  I've seen for many franchises when fans get upset they say cruel things to the developers. They harass them. They make death threats.  We waited over ten whole years for a worthy sequel only to get a glitched out, buggy, and watered down piece of shit. We didn't trash him or his team though. We argued with each other, and then went back to our lives and playing the old games.

In return he ran our names through the mud, permanently wrote us off, and now makes up bullshit about us being abusive assholes when someone's Dad is dying.

Real classy.


I agree with this. The TM community was a very passionate bunch, but I feel like we are all fairly down to earth people. Like I said, the most inappropriate thing to come out of this site was my childish comments about the music, and that was before TMPS3 even came out.

After a rocky release, we sort of had trust in these developers, and bickered among ourselves. When no fixes came of it, we sort moved on. So I'm not sure why we get such a bad wrap. We're the most patient group I've ever seen.
Maybe the other forums were a bit more harsh? I can't help but beat a dead horse. At least it's something to talk about. I also recommend the modding thread to lurkers reading this as well. TM2 is making some great progress in terms of modding after 21 years.

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Post by Archminion on 08/03/17 at 14:31:43
I'm still waiting for my signed copy... :(

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Post by Manta Ray on 08/04/17 at 01:13:09
You guys are acting like fans of things can't be annoying cunts at inappropriate times. The guy was grieving, does it matter the medium the message was sent on? Clearly he was bothered by it otherwise he wouldn't have recalled the story on a random live stream. If he doesn't want to go back to the series that's his business, I'd be bored by it too.

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Post by MoshfieldAsylum on 08/04/17 at 05:12:44

Manta Ray wrote on 08/04/17 at 01:13:09:
You guys are acting like fans of things can't be annoying cunts at inappropriate times. The guy was grieving, does it matter the medium the message was sent on? Clearly he was bothered by it otherwise he wouldn't have recalled the story on a random live stream. If he doesn't want to go back to the series that's his business, I'd be bored by it too.


1-Nobody is acting like that in this thread, what/who are you talking about? Fans of anything can be cunty, no shit, it's a universal truth, but professionals should be held accountable for their mistakes as well, so you're coming off as a Jaffe apologist...

2-Yes, facts matter actually. Ask most people if a phone call and an e-mail make a difference in an argument and most people would say an argumentative phone call is a far more stressful situation than receiving an argumentative e-mail. Also, evidence matters. there is no proof of his story... he can make up whatever shit he wants & assholes will believe it without proof, because he worked on Twisted Metal & God of War so he'd never lie  ::) ::) ::)

3- All due respect but him recalling a family tragedy from years ago on a livestream isn't healthy, he should be a big boy and not dwell on that & do positive things with his life instead of bitching about President Trump on Twitter all the time. Nobody at TMA minds that he is done with Twisted Metal. We're fine with that. It's the few ass-kissers he has on Twitter that bitch to him about making another Twisted Metal (because they don't know any better).

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Post by Archminion on 08/04/17 at 06:02:23
I did finally listen to the stream and he is oddly specific as well about the individual who supposedly contacted him.

I could understand why Mort would not be happy with this.

I went through a period where I was in fairly constant contact with Mort and I do not believe he would behave like this at all.

So since it appears Jaffe could not have been certain of who he was talking to (in an email we now understand) then I believe he should not have made the comments.

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Post by Ripzsaur on 08/05/17 at 23:35:05
Hey, it's all good. At least we had another active topic on TMA. Oh the excitement. If only TMA had a necromancer, I miss the activity on this place.

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Post by The Truth on 08/06/17 at 02:05:31

Manta Ray wrote on 08/04/17 at 01:13:09:
I'd be bored by it too.


Clearly not bored enough if you are posting on the series's fan forum blindly defending Jaffe who is making up shit for sympathy.

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Post by Manta Ray on 08/06/17 at 16:21:29

The Truth wrote on 08/06/17 at 02:05:31:
Clearly not bored enough if you are posting on the series's fan forum blindly defending Jaffe who is making up shit for sympathy.
I'm not blindly defending anyone. I don't understand the negative reception for the guy. I'd argue there are people in this thread who are blindly defending the nameless staff member here. WHO CARES? Both instances are believable, and considering none of us know Jaffe on a personal level, maybe we should stop with the needless speculation.

And the context of what I said was if I were Jaffe I would be bored too..(I'm assuming you have a grade school education at least to understand that last bit.)

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Post by Malefactor on 08/06/17 at 22:26:45

Manta Ray wrote on 08/06/17 at 16:21:29:
I'm not blindly defending anyone. I don't understand the negative reception for the guy. I'd argue there are people in this thread who are blindly defending the nameless staff member here. WHO CARES? Both instances are believable, and considering none of us know Jaffe on a personal level, maybe we should stop with the needless speculation.

And the context of what I said was if I were Jaffe I would be bored too..(I'm assuming you have a grade school education at least to understand that last bit.)


You completely ignored all of the evidence and defended a guy who was caught in a story that can't possibly be true.  The story can't even be close to true.

Then when this was pointed out you basically said, "Facts don't matter and/or alternative facts."

You shouldn't be insulting people about their education.  You're the one who needs to go back and read about logic and cause and effect.

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Post by Manta Ray on 08/06/17 at 23:38:43

Malefactor wrote on 08/06/17 at 22:26:45:
You completely ignored all of the evidence and defended a guy who was caught in a story that can't possibly be true.  The story can't even be close to true.

Then when this was pointed out you basically said, "Facts don't matter and/or alternative facts."

You shouldn't be insulting people about their education.  You're the one who needs to go back and read about logic and cause and effect.

You sure got me! SO MUCH EVIDENCE. A guy reflected on an event that happened to him five years ago on a random stream and didn't state the series of events to your liking..he's truly the worst person now. It's stuff like this that makes me loathe fan communities. Like this guy owes you something. You are so butt hurt this guy broke up with you and your video games you hang onto his every word. Move on.

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Post by Malefactor on 08/06/17 at 23:49:30

Manta Ray wrote on 08/06/17 at 23:38:43:
You sure got me! SO MUCH EVIDENCE. A guy reflected on an event that happened to him five years ago on a random stream and didn't state the series of events to your liking..he's truly the worst person now. It's stuff like this that makes me loathe fan communities. Like this guy owes you something. You are so butt hurt this guy broke up with you and your video games you hang onto his every word. Move on.


There's tons of evidence and it's all I this thread.

You haven't even tried to give a counter argument. You've just raged a lot.

You aren't even representing our position. You're just creating a strawnan argument.

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Post by Manta Ray on 08/07/17 at 00:03:28
I'm not arguing who is right and who is wrong. That's some petty bullshit. Obviously something happened, whatever that is doesn't matter either way. There's no reason to attack this guy with the amount of vitriol you guys are coming with. Maybe he left this community because the majority of you are miserable cunts. Plenty of evidence of that throughout this very board. I just read a thread where you specifically ran off a new member fairly recently. I've for sure heard Jaffe reference the negative and often times racist aspects of this forum in the past.

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Post by The Truth on 08/07/17 at 00:19:25

Manta Ray wrote on 08/06/17 at 16:21:29:
I'm not blindly defending anyone. I don't understand the negative reception for the guy.


Hes making up shit to deflect blame for his shortcomings and make other people look like a piece of shit? Did they teach you that is ok where you got your grade school education? What the hell is so hard to understand? Do I need to get my crayons and draw pictures for you? You notice you are the only moron here defending the guy right? What does that tell you?


Manta Ray wrote on 08/06/17 at 16:21:29:
I'd argue there are people in this thread who are blindly defending the nameless staff member here.


Don't know if it is possible for you to look like even more of a jackass but I'd love to see you argue it.


Manta Ray wrote on 08/06/17 at 16:21:29:
WHO CARES?


Apparently you care a great deal as you went out of your way to defend someone who is in the wrong. Look, if David Jaffe is your lord and savior then just say so.

EDIT:

Manta Ray wrote on 08/07/17 at 00:03:28:
Maybe he left this community because the majority of you are miserable cunts. Plenty of evidence of that throughout this very board. I just read a thread where you specifically ran off a new member fairly recently. I've for sure heard Jaffe reference the negative and often times racist aspects of this forum in the past.


Yep, I knew it. You are hungry for some Jaffe dick. You can find him on twitter. Might be busy social justice warrioring or having stroke over Trump though.

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Post by Manta Ray on 08/07/17 at 00:26:57
Have fun rage lords. I'm sure you're fun at parties.

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Post by MoshfieldAsylum on 08/07/17 at 00:32:12

Manta Ray wrote on 08/06/17 at 16:21:29:
I'd argue there are people in this thread who are blindly defending the nameless staff member here. WHO CARES? Both instances are believable, and considering none of us know Jaffe on a personal level, maybe we should stop with the needless speculation.

And the context of what I said was if I were Jaffe I would be bored too..(I'm assuming you have a grade school education at least to understand that last bit.)


Jaffe is bored because he is on Twitter all day and night and hasn't had a successful game in over a decade.

As for the "nameless staff member" - the Webmaster of TMA - he does have a name & he is my friend, & has been a friend for like, 17 years. When someone mistreats a friend I will stand up for them. Jaffe & "nameless staff member" known each other for years as well and I know what happened between them & it's not the bullshit Jaffe is saying.


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Post by The Truth on 08/07/17 at 00:35:56

Manta Ray wrote on 08/07/17 at 00:26:57:
Have fun rage lords. I'm sure you're fun at parties.


Ooooooohhhhh, looks like the "miserable cunts" strike again! Sorry if we ran you off for being a dumbass blindly defending Lord Jaffe. Go home to mommy!

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Post by Ripzsaur on 08/07/17 at 00:36:18
Hmmmm everyone has their opinions. I understand the issue against Jaffe the way he worded it in his stream. Why? Because it caused someone to come on the site quoting him saying that they have lost all respect for the place. However, consistently roasting him either way isn't constituted by his actions from this particular stream, but as a whole there is some merit. He doesn't owe us anything as a community, he owed the community as a game developer. The development team owed the community something when they sold the product for $60. If I buy a brand new pair of Beats tomorrow and they break when I plug them in, damn right I'm going to believe that they owe me another pair of headphones, or a free fix on my pair. It's about customer service, product quality and longevity. Jaffe or others in the development team don't owe us because some of us disagreed with design elements, but a product that isn't 100% functional should be agreed upon that it is their responsibility to fix it. Some people said hurtful things, but even if that is 25% of the community, there's still 75% of the community that purchased the game and deserve a product. Just my two cents, it's kinda dumb to be fighting over.

Edit: Also second what Mosh said below, I don't think anyone here wants another TM game from Jaffe, we don't give a fuck about that. Keep in mind that Jaffe is the one that mentioned us again in his stream.

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Post by MoshfieldAsylum on 08/07/17 at 00:43:10

Manta Ray wrote on 08/06/17 at 23:38:43:
You sure got me! SO MUCH EVIDENCE. A guy reflected on an event that happened to him five years ago on a random stream and didn't state the series of events to your liking..he's truly the worst person now. It's stuff like this that makes me loathe fan communities. Like this guy owes you something. You are so butt hurt this guy broke up with you and your video games you hang onto his every word. Move on.


Hilarious. Your reading comprehension skills are piss poor. Let me clarify this again for you - NOBODY CARES WHAT JAFFE DOES WITH HIS LIFE. NOBODY.
We don't want him to make another Twisted Metal/related video game EVER AGAIN, he's a bum! We've all moved on except him. He needs to bring TMA up in a livestream because he is a failure seeking attention and pity, and needs to blame "nameless staff member" because Jaffe will never take responsibility for his own failures - it's always someone else's fault. Like Drawn to Death - he can't own up to that being a mistake, he needs to blame bad reviews.  ;D

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Post by MoshfieldAsylum on 08/07/17 at 00:46:42

Manta Ray wrote on 08/07/17 at 00:03:28:
I've for sure heard Jaffe reference the negative and often times racist aspects of this forum in the past.


And you're an idiot for believing him.
There are no racist aspects to the forum. There are several TM related boards & a general discussion board. There isn't a KKK board. fuck racists. Don't make shit up.


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Post by The Truth on 08/07/17 at 00:57:05

MoshfieldAsylum wrote on 08/07/17 at 00:43:10:
he needs to blame bad reviews.  ;D


Specifically IGN even though a lot of other reviewers agreed and gave similar reviews as well.


MoshfieldAsylum wrote on 08/07/17 at 00:43:10:
There are no racist aspects to the forum. There are several TM related boards & a general discussion board. There isn't a KKK board. fuck racists. Don't make shit up.


Unfortunately in this day and age when someone has no argument it is best to just call the other person/people racist.

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Post by Malefactor on 08/07/17 at 05:11:04
There is absolutely a few things Jaffe owes us. They are honesty, respect, and dignity.

He didn't do that so we're rightfully pissed.

Also, I'm just okay at parties.

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Post by RoaDiE on 08/07/17 at 10:28:57
And just FYI but this "Email situation" didn't happen 5 years ago when TMX came out. Probably closer to like 2 years ago.

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Post by Magnum on 08/07/17 at 17:32:36
Hey! I take exception to being called a racist cunt!

Not like my Spic ass hasn't insulted ANYONE on BOTW for fun mind you. We can't do that anymore OMFG.....

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Post by Archminion on 08/10/17 at 22:47:08
One of Jaffe's latest tweets is a bit odd:

https://twitter.com/davidscottjaffe/status/893185958455107584

I don't know if he's just messing or not but that artwork was created back in the 989 days for TM4.
I spoke with the original artist and former owner of this piece (and several others). You can even see the TM4 design of ST clearly visible.

http://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=664679

I also own it.

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Post by Mr.SLaM on 08/11/17 at 08:55:58
Ripzaur, I agree with you 100%.

Regardless of personal opinion on the man, that is the truth.

Also Manta, you sort of just had a hissy fit after we gave a lot of solid reasonings, and you dug yourself into a hole.

Pulling the racist card was also just stupid.

I'm going to shill that TM2 modding post on here again though. Check it out lurkers. Cool shit is happening soon.

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Post by The Truth on 08/11/17 at 09:23:06

Archminion wrote on 08/10/17 at 22:47:08:
One of Jaffe's latest tweets is a bit odd:

https://twitter.com/davidscottjaffe/status/893185958455107584

I don't know if he's just messing or not but that artwork was created back in the 989 days for TM4.
I spoke with the original artist and former owner of this piece (and several others). You can even see the TM4 design of ST clearly visible.

http://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=664679

I also own it.


Seen this when he put it up and immediately knew it was from TM4. Was very obvious however the people who don't know any better will eat it up. It appears they have after seeing the replies to him. However it looks like a few people may have caught on "That looks exactly like TM 4's Sweet Tooth truck." lol. Its amazing that he is so tired of TM and the asshole hardcore crowd but will tweet stuff like this. Really just Jaffe looking for more attention.

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Post by The Deadite on 09/03/17 at 12:10:34
I don't get it, just because one person was an ass to him you got enough of the whole forum?
That's pretty childlish, don't put everyone on the same bag.

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