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Message started by Thumpy on 11/09/16 at 13:28:13

Title: Trump wins
Post by Thumpy on 11/09/16 at 13:28:13
When something gets busted you try to fix it, however if the damage is severe enough you give up and throw the item away.

I don't know how Donald Trump won, if he cheated nobody stopped him.

It doesn't matter how he won, I squarely blame our people for this and we will all pay for it.

I'm done with politics.

I have no faith in my people anymore and we will all pay for their ignorance.

EVERYONE PAYS THE PIPER!

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by NightShade on 11/09/16 at 16:37:18
I've never been so ashamed of my country.

If you voted for Trump, Fuck you. Seriously. Fuck you.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Toasty on 11/10/16 at 01:13:31
I wrote in Bernie Sanders, knowing I was on the losing minority. But I came out the winner, knowing I didn't vote for two trashy candidates who weren't going to piece this country back together.

Hillary was a pathetic, weak and shady candidate. She got the DNC on her back, she was shifting away from when the crosshair was on her and she didn't really sound convincing on her promises.

She better not fucking run in the future again. She got owned in 2008 and got owned harder this year. Bernie could've been a far better contender than that piece of corporate trash.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Thrillho on 11/10/16 at 02:39:44
I voted for Trump.


Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 11/10/16 at 05:27:23

NightShade wrote on 11/09/16 at 16:37:18:
I've never been so ashamed of my country.

If you voted for Trump, Fuck you. Seriously. Fuck you.


Well I voted for Trump so I guess fuck me then?

I would never tell someone who voted for Hillary to go fuck themselves but that's because I've been enlightened, I've been woke.

And this kind of stuff right here folks is why this year I decided to leave the Left and no longer refer to myself as a liberal. If only V-Wing could see me now.

So about me no longer being a liberal or wanting to have any association with the Left, this is actually something I've wanted to post or talk about for a while. I'll just plop down a brief facebook post I made a couple weeks ago to sum things up so I don't have to retype my thoughts:

Just thought it worth putting out there due to things that I might say or do moving forward that might trigger some of you or make you hide in your safe zone by removing me as a facebook friend that as of recently I would officially consider myself a disaffected left wing, liberal, democrat or anything having to do with that side. As I've looked around me over the past couple of years at the ridiculousness of the people who I once thought actually stood for something important and at least tried to hold the higher moral and political ground--standing for peace, justice, freedom, and the right to free speech and individual liberty--it became overwhelmingly apparent at a certain point that that was no longer the case on the left. The rise of Social Justice Warriors, Politically Correct Police, radical third wave feminists, Black Lives Matter, and the media and Hollywood's overbearing bias and rhetoric all telling me what to say, what to do, what to believe, how to act and how I'm supposed to feel ashamed of being a straight white male AND the fact that I have to be beholden to every single fragile snowflakes feelings eventually became absolutely insufferable.

This dangerous uprising culture of professional victim-hood, virtue signaling, and recreational outrage by every sexually confused or emotionally bored millennial with access to social media trying to dictate and pass in to law how we all speak and act will not be stood for, at least not by me. When you shout down, publicly shame, and refuse to respect your fellow man or woman because of their differences of opinion and instead ask the government and corporate entities to step in to regulate all of humanity's vocabulary and actions on behalf of your hurt feelings then I can no longer stand beside you.

The left liberal majority is nothing but a giant echo chamber of misinformation, fear mongering, regurgitated lies and propaganda, half truths, and false narratives that do nothing but confuse and misinform people about what's actually going on around them. I know because I was in that chamber for years and I've now seen how most of these liberal ideals can easily be torn down by anyone actually paying attention or taking the time to investigate the world beyond their thin shell and personal feelings force field.

Left-wing/liberals/democrats are usually genuinely good people with good hearts that mean well, but when everyone they've surrounded themselves with does nothing but reaffirm their beliefs and tells them they are morally and politically righteous all the time then at a certain point you just stop paying attention and engaging with the world around you which ultimately leads to being left behind mentally and educationally.

For the record, and because apparently I have to state this up front as someone who is mostly on the right now: I do not hate or dislike anyone of any racial or sexual orientation. Quite the opposite. But truth, facts, individual freedom, and the the right to free speech are more important than someone's feelings, end of story. #FuckyourFeelings #DownwithSJWs


And this was my facebook post last night when it was clear Trump had won the election:

Take stock now liberals, democrats, and Lefties, this is what happens when you become unreasonably radical and try and sabotage free speech and attempt to silence those who have a different opinion by shouting them down and calling them racists, bigots, sexists, and xenophobes and pretend they are a lesser human being than yourself, betray the Constitution (specifically the first and second Amendment), and create media bias that should have by all rights been able to drag Hillary Clinton across the finish line despite the scandals and the fact that she's a terrible person.

Donald Trump is one of the worst candidates for President ever, and even though Hillary was as well in different ways, this is what happens, Lefties, when you lose sight of what this country is about and what actually matters and instead choose to push lies, false narratives and couch your logic in your feelings.

Trump was always a big fuck you to the establishment, one that hasn't been working for a while now, and while I don't think Trump is going to do much to fix this country, at the very least I hope this is a wake up call to all the hive minded morons on the Left that you need to get smart.

This is the pendulum swinging the other way and you can partially blame the PC police, constantly outraged millennials, and SJWs that created the Alt-Right and who pushed people like myself, who has always mostly been politically complacent and lazy, to start paying attention, do research, and get WOKE and start fighting for the side that isn't trying to take away individual freedoms and liberties.

If I'm being honest though, I look forward to drinking the delicious tears from the Left over the next four years even though that means bracing myself for even more overly dramatic feelings, crying and whining. Still, watching the Left have a mental break down trying to understand how this happened is going to be joyous because it embodies what Trump always stood for, "fuck you".

As for me, I'm off to grab some pussies in celebration.


Just to reiterate that point, when everyone on the Left from the young uninformed college kids to Hollywood, to the biased as fuck media continues to point their finger at middle America and the average blue collar worker and call them deplorable, racist, bigots, sexists, homophobes and xenophones eventually people just get tired of it and stand up and say fuck you and those people came out to vote in droves. So don't blame anyone other than yourselves for Donald Trump. You created that monster when you tried to pretend you were better than them and knew how to run the country better, told them how to feel and act, and how to behave. Any time you do that, there comes a push back, and boy did they push back.

If you need any more proof that the Left has lost their collective fucking minds and can no longer deal with reality just turn on the tv today and look at all the protests, flag burning, and refusal to just accept that Trump is going to be our next President. Go ahead, stand around holding signs and blocking traffic it won't change a thing. If it wasn't so funny I'd probably consider it sad.

Hopefully though, this is the wake up call liberals need to start paying attention to actual politics and stop just regurgitating baseless words like racist, bigot, homophobe, xenophobe, sexist, and rapist that no longer hold any meaning because of how much they get thrown around now. Those words literally have zero meaning, none!

You guys do realize that the Left is the new old Right, right? I mean there are radicals on both sides don't get me wrong, but honestly the Right is pretty punk rock these days. Remember when Obama got elected and people like V-Wing threatened to leave the country and endlessly cry about it? That's liberals now, that's you weak fucking baby millennials crying over a Presidential candidate that doesn't give a fuck about you.

In all honestly though, I don't understand why everyone is losing their minds over Trump getting elected. What do you think is going to happen now that's so bad? I'm honestly curious because all I'm seeing anyone say today, which isn't much at all other than typical boring liberals expressing their "hurt feelings", is just these outrageous fantasies about how Trump will bring about a nuclear winter, or how he's going to bring his army door and door searching for illegals so he can ship them all back to Mexico or wherever so if you are going to respond with that type of insane rhetoric then don't bother.

Other wise, if you want to have a real discussion or debate I will gladly hear you out and then point out why liberals are wrong about almost everything.

This transition away from my home on the Left has been hard for me as its all I've ever known. You'd be surprised by how much hate gets spewed at you from the side that's supposed to be the most compassionate when you "betray" them. So many people I've always liked, loved, and respected over the last 12-14 years as a liberal I just have to distance myself from now because of the shortsighted and unrealistic views of the world they possess that I've simply grown beyond. Therefore I've had to do a lot of soul searching, truth seeking, fact checking, and research in order to present my arguments and my new views, opinions, and facts in the best way possible to help others who may want out of the liberal party.

Its definitely pretty lonely on this side sometimes as I put my hand up to the glass wall separating me from the people who I once agreed with and wish how I could just go back to being that blissfully ignorant again, though honestly people are leaving the Left in droves based on my experiences as a recovering liberal and talking with others completely sick of the SJWs--the bane of my existence and who I'm really out to fight with and will not stop until they are completely eradicated from the face of the earth.

So, any topic is on the table for debate. Come at me bros.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Magnum on 11/10/16 at 11:55:47
I voted. Does it matter because who I chose didn't win? No. Does it matter at all who won? I don't think it will.

We'll see. But never in my life have I ever seen in an election year such violence. This is the 1st time I've ever recalled violence in an election year, and if I'm wrong (because I'm not going to look for it ATM) fine. Even if it's the 2nd or 3rd time, it's a dangerous precedent to set for 2020.

Because if things in this country get worse, you can forget it. It's bad enough people will do whatever to try and get their way, and candidates that will say whatever people want to hear just to get elected.

Sheep is a pretty descriptive word. When the phrase "United we stand Divided we fall" is spoken, does anyone really understand what that means? Both parties and the government have done well in keeping The People divided against each other. There is no more compromise, there is no more understanding, there is no more discussion, there is no more tolerance for anything unless it's done how people want to see it, and fuck any other way.

That's not how it's supposed to work and funny enough, people can't figure out why shit is so fucked up. 

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Toasty on 11/10/16 at 15:20:11

XIZOR wrote on 11/10/16 at 05:27:23:
Well I voted for Trump so I guess fuck me then?

I would never tell someone who voted for Hillary to go fuck themselves but that's because I've been enlightened, I've been woke.

And this kind of stuff right here folks is why this year I decided to leave the Left and no longer refer to myself as a liberal. If only V-Wing could see me now.

So about me no longer being a liberal or wanting to have any association with the Left, this is actually something I've wanted to post or talk about for a while. I'll just plop down a brief facebook post I made a couple weeks ago to sum things up so I don't have to retype my thoughts...


I cut the quote down so it's not a wall of text stretching this reply.

I can actually get behind this. This is exactly why I'm not foaming at the mouth like everyone else was when Trump won. Sure, I bashed and made fun of the guy up until the last two weeks between October and November. As well as yes, I didn't directly vote for him because I allowed my beliefs and moral high ground to answer, playing it "safe". However, in the grand scheme of things, for the bigger picture - this is necessary.

If we as a country, cannot even learn from these results. Then we're truly, absolutely damned and rightfully so.

I actually lost a friend yesterday morning because she was trying to shame me for not picking Hillary. Tried to reason with her the same reasons but she just didn't want to accept it. Oh well.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by NightShade on 11/10/16 at 16:42:16
Admittedly, "fuck you" is probably not the most productive conversation starter, but neither is gloating about drinking the weak baby liberal tears of ignorant unenlightened liberals. Being that we've just elected either the stupidest president ever or a literal fascist (and I know how that sounds, I'll elaborate if you want), I'm not going to pretend this is like any other election where I can respectfully disagree because we have two competing visions about what's best for the country.

That said, you're my friend so I'll try my best. I'm happy to be respectful if you'll do the same. But I don't know how to have a discussion if we can't even agree on facts, what is and isn't true.

Do you believe that racism/sexism/religious discrimination exists in this country?

Do you think that Trump makes it better or worse?

If you don't agree with the "liberal media" and "propaganda", where do you get your information? If a candidate says something, where do you go to find out of it was a lie? They all lie, how do you find out what is a lie and what is true?

What individual liberties do you think are being taken away by the government?

What I'm gathering from your reply is that your vote was a protest at feeling like you weren't being heard? Like you were being told what to do? If that's true, what is it that you want to be heard? What of Trump's policies do you agree with? You didn't actually mention what it was that he offered that you liked, you just kind of lumped liberals into a group saying they're whiny bitches, and said your vote was a referendum on the existence of these particular liberals. What do you think Trump will do to make anyone's life better, or is this really about the conduct of the voters?

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by NightShade on 11/10/16 at 17:50:32
For what it's worth, I agree that liberals have a huge problem with communicating/interacting/relating to people they disagree with. I've been guilty of this myself, obviously. This article does a great job of articulating it: http://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism

I'm doing my best to change my tone and be more understanding. I wish more people, myself included, had tried harder to do so before the election, because I'm genuinely terrified at what we're going to see in the next 4 years.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 11/10/16 at 18:57:30
"but neither is gloating about drinking the weak baby liberal tears of ignorant unenlightened liberals."

True, but you have to understand that people like me have to listen to and eat their shit all day every day and so its really, really nice to see liberals not get their way for once. People are literally crying their eyes out because Hillary, a terrible person, wasn't elected. If that doesn't show you how emotionally unstable and unprepared for the real world these young people are in this country then nothing will.

"But I don't know how to have a discussion if we can't even agree on facts, what is and isn't true."

I deal in nothing but facts and truth now. That's what you HAVE to do when you oppose the Left now because its such an uphill fight that in order to gain any ground you have to be smarter.

"Do you believe that racism/sexism/religious discrimination exists in this country?"

Yes, and they always will. There are bad apples in every bunch but they don't exist on the scale that everyone thinks they do. I live in the south so I feel like I probably interact with more people from other races than most people do on a daily basis and all I ever see, and this is just my experience, is everyone just getting along and being respectful. Yet every time you turn on the news its some bullshit about Black Lives Matter and how all white people are racist and should be ashamed.

Sure, more than likely more racist people probably exist on the Right, but labeling an entire demographic of people who voted for Trump any one or all of those words is absurd and any time anyone disagrees with someone on a topic of, say, women's rights they just automatically get called sexist and shouted down. The reason why liberals do this is because they don't actually possess any facts or abilities to have a nuanced conversation so they shout buzz words at you, paint you out to be a villain, and then move on so that they never have to defend their point of view.

Racism, sexism, religious discrimination, or any of those other buzz words the liberals use we can talk about individually but covering them all in one shot would be a bit too broad so you can pick one and then we can go down the list if you'd like. We can start with racism if you'd like as that and the whole Black Lives Matter debacle are the easiest to tear down.

"Do you think that Trump makes it better or worse? "

I don't really know yet, but I do know that the media and liberals are the ones doing to most damage on a day to day basis when they keep shouting these words at every turn giving leverage to the Black Lives Matter movement and telling them that, yes, all white American's and cops are racist so you should protest, riot, and shoot back because all of you are being oppressed and treated unfairly. If there are racist people and organizations out there then actually show them to me and lets go kick their fucking teeth in, but just saying that something or someone is racist doesn't make it so.

I know there are other subjects like religious discrimination to lump in there as well but like I said, one thing at a time.

"If you don't agree with the "liberal media" and "propaganda", where do you get your information?"

Lots of places. I usually just see what a broad spectrum of people are talking and writing about, then filter it down through both people I like and tend to agree with and then also hear what liberals in similar positions are saying just so I'm aware of both view points.

I still read some traditional sites like The Huffington Post or the New York times or any of the more Left leaning sites just for perspective. I still watch Bill Maher and Last Week Tonight with Jon Oliver on occasion and the new daily Vice news show on HBO is pretty good and surprisingly unbiased considering how liberal Vice tends to lean as well as HBO in general.

But the sites I visit for an alternative point of view are:

http://www.theblaze.com/news

http://www.dailywire.com/

http://www.breitbart.com/

People's who's opinions I tend to agree with the most:

Ben Shapiro: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaeO5vkdj5xOQHp4UmIN6dw/videos

Steven Crowder: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIveFvW-ARp_B_RckhweNJw

Dave Rubin: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJdKr0Bgd_5saZYqLCa9mng

Gavin McInnes: https://www.compoundmedia.com/show/the-gavin-mcinnes-show/

"If a candidate says something, where do you go to find out of it was a lie? They all lie, how do you find out what is a lie and what is true?"

For the most part I just go on my gut feeling a lot of times. When Trump says something stupid like "I'm gonna build a wall" any reasonable person knows that isn't true or possible. Then getting down to the more nitty gritty stuff, well, it gets a bit more complicated. You have to have a basic understanding of what most politicians need to typically say if they are going to run under the banner of Republican or Democrat like anti-gay marriage shit from the Right, or pro-choice pro-abortion stuff on the left. What you will find though is that honestly most candidates on both sides will agree on gay marriage, transgender rights, and whether or not abortion should be a thing but they just try and avoid those topics so not to be pigeon holed by the other side.

If you really go back and look at things Donald Trump has said, not just throughout his campaign but throughout his public life, he actually supports a lot of liberal views its just that he needs to carry that Republican banner now so he has to pretend hes on the side of traditional conservative views.

This is why I don't actually believe illegal immigrants are going to be deported, gay marriage is going to be abolished, and racist ideas will flourish under this Presidency.

You also just have to believe in the system we have in place. We have checks and balances in place just for this reason so if you think suddenly Roe v. Wade is going to be overturned and abortion is going to become illegal overnight, you don't know how the government works.

But I digress, if you are just trying to find if every little thing a person says are true or false there is no one single place to go for that definitive information. You just sorta have to do your own leg work and trust your instincts.

"What individual liberties do you think are being taken away by the government?"

The right to free speech is being silenced every day now by liberals shouting down the other side. This is the front I'm mostly fighting on myself against the fucking SJW's. Comedy is being silenced. You can't make a joke any more without someone being offended. Most stand up comedians don't even bother doing college campus tours now because of the SJWs that get offended by everything.

Transgender people trying to make it illegal to not use their made up words and pronouns. I don't have a problem with anyone of any sexual orientation, but you don't get to dictate my vocabulary, sorry. Then you have the liberal elite and media elite making it out like these people are so oppressed and abused when they really aren't because to speak out against them is basically social, political, and financial suicide.

Instead we are just supposed to sit here and have the Left tell us who can go into what bathroom and how we are just supposed to feel about it. I don't care what bathroom you want to use myself, but the liberals and the government doesn't get to dictate that.

We need less government in our lives not more. But these cry baby liberals and SJWs every time they get their feelings hurt they want to sue someone, publicly shame them, get them fired, and ask corporations and the government to step in and make laws to protect their feelings. We already gave up our rights to privacy in this country when we let the government openly spy on us for our "own protection", and now we want them telling us how to speak and act? Where does it end?

"What I'm gathering from your reply is that your vote was a protest at feeling like you weren't being heard?"

My vote was partially a fuck you to liberals, SJWs, and the establishment, but it was also more than that and I will elaborate in a minute.

"Like you were being told what to do?"

Yes, liberal America has now taken hold and it wasn't the bright future we thought it would be. We were told what to do, and that was to vote for Hillary or you're a fucking idiot.

"If that's true, what is it that you want to be heard? What of Trump's policies do you agree with? What do you think Trump will do to make anyone's life better, or is this really about the conduct of the voters?"

What I want to be heard is the other side of every argument, not just the liberal side.

What I'm hoping is accomplished by a Donald Trump presidency and a Republican controlled House and Senate is first and foremost an attempt at overturning Obamacare. Healthcare for everyone sounds great on paper but put in to practice is an absolute nightmare for everyone. Taking health care away from the free market and placing it into government control means that not only is not having healthcare basically illegal (you get fined out the ass for not having it) but the care on offer is less than ideal for most people. And because now that all healthcare programs are forced to cover everyone we will ALL have to pay more for it and now that its essentially law, we will be charged more for basic, less than ideal healthcare year over year now. Get ready from premiums to rise by at least 25 percent unless something is done to stop it. Again, this is just more government control.


Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Thrillho on 11/10/16 at 18:58:27
The DNC's exposed corruption made it impossible for me to abstain from voting this cycle. I did it to send a message. Play dumb games, win dumb prizes. Enjoy Trump.

On a side note the tipping point was Hilary joking about drone striking Julian Assange. So on the psychotic murderer scale I'd rate her slightly higher than "kill the families of terrorists" Trump.

Especially considering how drone strikes only increased under Obama's term, and I can't find anything about him talking about murdering anyone.

Finally. The turnout for democratic voters was about half of what it was during Obama's first election. So my contribution didn't mean much. It was mostly people on the Democratic end not participating. I think all the reporting on how the election was in the bag made people cocky.

Or perhaps Hilary turned off half the people who liked Obama. Wouldn't surprise me. The DNC also funded Trump clandestinely thinking he'd be an easy person to beat. After they cheated Bernie out of the nomination.

If you want to be angry at anyone for President Trump. Blame the DNC for their corruption. Hilary for turning off Democratic voters. Also the Media for lying and acting as if it were an easy win.

Also calling every god damn thing racist, sexist, bigoted, and xenophobic when it doesn't fall in line with a very narrow worldview is probably what gave trump that extra 5% that gave him the win. Even with Hilary turning off voters from even going out. Poking the hornets nest for a year straight was a shitty strategy.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 11/10/16 at 19:01:40
Sorry, ran out of space on that last reply.

Continued from above:

Obama also put into place a lot of systems that crush small businesses. I know because I've helped open and run some myself and its very hard to pay people a reasonable wage for fair work when you are being taxed out the ass. This combined with stricter labor laws all but ties the hands of small businesses and stifles any real growth and expansion.

This, combined with the Obamacare stuff means that some places can't even offer their own employees benefits through their workplace. My last job couldn't even afford to give me any type of health or dental benefits. I had to fend for my own, which wasn't a good option.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by NightShade on 11/10/16 at 20:07:54
I live in Texas. I have to eat their shit from Republicans all the time. And again, for us to have this discussion, I'd really appreciate if you'd stop saying things like "liberals don't have any facts", or refer to them not living in "the real world" or call them "cry baby liberals" - if you don't want to be condescended to, don't condescend to me.

I didn't label all people that voted for trump racist/sexist. I can't control what other people say or do on either side or how they argue their points, and I'm not going to argue on their behalf. For example, a lot of people who call themselves part of "Black Lives Matter" conduct themselves poorly and are uninformed, much like lots of people on both sides. And some don't do that. Same with "SJWs" and Transgender people. They're not a branch of the government. Voting doesn't control them. If anything, a Trump presidency will probably just make them even more intolerable to you because they're going to be even more active. Honestly I don't know how to respond to much of this because you're arguing against a strawman.

I'll address a few things though - a problem with racism is that they're not all in "organizations" as such. Well, barring KKK. Instead, individual racist people are in lots of organizations, and a beyond that, a lot people, probably all people, have implicit bias. Nothing deliberate, but it's there. There are some biased and racist police officers. Not all of them, probably a small percentage of them, but they exist. That's a problem, and pretending that all police officers are infallible is not going to fix it. No person or group is infallible, they all have shitty people in them.

The system we have in place is the 3 branches of government, and Republicans control 2, and soon will control 3. The supreme court used to be a much more unbiased thing, but now both sides have prerequisites for nominating people, so it'll be as partisan as anything else. So no, I don't have faith in the system we have in place. They will have what they need to push through all sorts of extreme stuff.

I suspect this discussion will stall pretty quickly though because if we can't agree on what is and isn't true because "gut" comes into it, it'll be pretty pointless. The implication alone that Hillary is a terrible person as a contrast to Trump is probably going to be a sticking point. I guess the bottom line is that you don't believe the things Trump said in the campaign are things he actually believes. I really, really hope you're right about Trump just trying to appeal to the Republican base. Even if that's true though, if you don't think he'll do anything he says, what do you think he will do? He's taken so many positions on everything - how do you choose which one you think he really believes? Gut?

The policy stuff is where I think we'll probably find common ground, or at least areas to agree to disagree. Domestic surveillance was touched on, which I agree with you on, but aside from that repealing Obamacare is the only thing in your reply that I can find that is actually about the candidates. Even that is just taking something away. Do you think he'll replace it with something, or just let it go back to how it was? I agree that it's a shitty system - my insurance went up too - but what we had before was shitty too, and at least this covers people with preexisting conditions. If he does what he says here, I'm on board, I've always wanted single payer: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/28/trump-pushes-single-payer-healthcare-tax-increase-on-wealthy/

Re: tax stuff - tax breaks are great, but money has to come from somewhere. I don't think we should highly tax small businesses either - I think large corporations and rich people should pay a disproportionately high amount, and Trump's tax plan doesn't do that.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Thrillho on 11/10/16 at 21:09:47
This is too black and white. Yes there are bad cops. Yes there are criminals. Don't forget the cops who shoot innocent people. But even here in Texas a sniper killed several police. So it's not easy to just blame the police over it.

They should be investigated and the problem should be rooted out. The "fuck white people" mentality and violent protests solve nothing.

People need to vote. They barely cared enough to vote in this election to stop Trump. I can tell they don't vote in other elections either. They complain about not being represented. But they don't choose people to represent them.

If people were as eager about voting as they are going out in the streets. They'd have representatives who would help them. But it's more fun to tweet and have a block party in the middle of downtown than it is to keep track of elections and vote.

I firmly believe the main issue is the lack of voting. The Trump election proved there isn't any serious rigging going on. Otherwise Clinton would have won with all the strings they were pulling. You can vote and fight the establishment if you dislike it.

But are people going to really do that? Hopefully this election serves as a wakeup call. That whining on the internet and doing crybaby protests doesn't change anything. It just agitates your opposition and emboldens them.

They have to vote. They won't get change just by dicking around on the internet. Acting smug and telling people to commit suicide isn't going to work.

Hell one of the first things told to me when I mentioned I voted for Trump on twitter was a person telling me to kill myself. It didn't make me feel sad. Just happy I voted how I did.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 11/10/16 at 21:29:34
"I live in Texas. I have to eat their shit from Republicans all the time. And again, for us to have this discussion, I'd really appreciate if you'd stop saying things like "liberals don't have any facts", or refer to them not living in "the real world" or call them "cry baby liberals" - if you don't want to be condescended to, don't condescend to me."

Right now I'm just trying to express my general opposition and distaste for liberals and the Left so that you and others have a broad sense of where I'm coming from. I'm not being condescending to you or attacking anyone other than the people and ideas I see every day on tv, social media, youtube, and gaming websites, which is all the stuff I described in my replies. These people, the ones we see in a more public light that claim to "represent" the Left side--whether anyone actually appointed them spokespersons for the Left side, the fact remains that they aren't being told to shut up or stop--typically can't argue, debate, and don't have facts. You yourself might as I assume based on knowing you as I have, that you are different so nothing I've said pertains to you specifically. We can just talk man to man if you'd like but I fear its impossible not to make broad generalizations about one side or the other at times in some ways when talking about such large topics that effect so many people.

"Same with "SJWs" and Transgender people. They're not a branch of the government. Voting doesn't control them."

They might as well be a branch of the government at this point given all the liberal media--and until Donald takes office, liberal government--backing that caters to their feelings. Sure, they don't actually make the laws, but they are fighting to get things made into law that actually do nothing but hurt their cause and infringe on other people's individual rights.

"Honestly I don't know how to respond to much of this because you're arguing against a strawman."

Almost all of the liberal, SJW, and democratic view points are all based around strawmen. I'm arguing against real people saying very real things that are in fact false, but we can get into that with more specifics.

"I'll address a few things though - a problem with racism is that they're not all in "organizations" as such. Well, barring KKK. Instead, individual racist people are in lots of organizations, and a beyond that, a lot people, probably all people, have implicit bias."

Unless you can point to who and where these racist people are I can't help you fight them. This is the crux of the problem. Please, let's work together and find these people, but until you can point them out I can't help end racism. I do believe that all people have implicit bias when it comes to race, so where does that leave us then?

There are some racist police officers out there, no doubt, but again, show them to me and they will be punished. Those who have been found to have unjustly killed black people have and will be punished by a the court of law, but until all the facts are in and we can say for sure that someone acted out of line, condemning all police officers and calling them racists doesn't help.

Just like how this whole Black Lives Matter thing started. The Hands Up Don't Shoot thing was a complete lie, but no, its too late for facts, the media just ran with the narrative that Michael Brown was unjustly killed by racist cops and that black people need to defend themselves.

"I suspect this discussion will stall pretty quickly though because if we can't agree on what is and isn't true because "gut" comes into it, it'll be pretty pointless."

Well you have to pick a topic or specific talking point. We all have a pretty balanced moral understanding of right and wrong and we can research and discuss individual facts and cases so it just comes down to what we are actually referring to.

"The implication alone that Hillary is a terrible person as a contrast to Trump is probably going to be a sticking point."

We can go point to point and why both are bad. I'm not saying one is better than the other, I'm just saying that the media bias against one was unfair and unreasonable. There is nothing saying we can't discuss the cons of both and how we feel on each one of those and why they are more or less important to ourselves and the country at large. You just have to pick a starting point.

"I really, really hope you're right about Trump just trying to appeal to the Republican base. Even if that's true though, if you don't think he'll do anything he says, what do you think he will do? He's taken so many positions on everything - how do you choose which one you think he really believes? Gut?"

Well I picked Obamacare and tax breaks as a starting point. We can talk about that or something else. Again, I'll let you take lead and I'll follow. Whatever subjects you want to discuss let's do it.

I wanted to say more but I'm running short on time for now.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by NightShade on 11/10/16 at 23:24:38
"The Left" and "Liberals" are comprised of multitudes of people who subscribe to all manner of different beliefs and go about expressing them all manner of different ways. Whether they're protesting, or on TV, or on gaming channels makes no difference. There are plenty of people on the right that fit the profile you're talking about and I'm not going to hold you to what they say. It is absolutely possible to not make broad generalizations, and to continue to do so is a cop out. You're arguing against something I'm not arguing for. That is the definition of a strawman. As a matter of fact, saying that liberals are arguing against strawmen is itself a strawman. The reason I'm hung up on this is that I think it's the only way to have this debate without getting heated.

My argument was more that police departments themselves should be actively recognizing the problem and working to improve their training. Or really, there should be an independent investigation into their training. I have heard great things about police body cameras though.

My "starting point" will be those last questions - what do you think he will do, and how do you discern when he's saying what he actually believes?

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Thrillho on 11/10/16 at 23:49:32
Apologies for butting in since this isn't my debate.

Trump will probably handle police violence the same as Obama did. Give a few speeches on how it's bad. Then do nothing because a lot of it is handled on a state level. A very small portion of the population vote on a state or county level. So those in office will probably continue to take donations from corporate prisons and continue the cycle of over policing minorities. Since they won't be voted out.

All a president can do about that is either ignore it or give speeches on how it's bad. Reforming all of the police in the country on a federal level using executive power sounds extremely hard. It'd have to be his sole focus. Hence why Obama didn't solve the problem within his 8 year term.

Though if you want my opinion on it. Obama and Hilary received money from corporate ran prisons. So it'd be against their financial interests for less people to go there. A move to reduce the amount of arrests would mean less money in their pockets.

Hence why Obama allowed the FBI to raid weed shops and has made it extremely difficult to sell weed even in states where it is legal. It goes against his financial interests to keep people out of prison.

As far as Trump goes. I don't think he has donations from the prison industrial complex. But it wouldn't surprise me. Still even if he didn't. That is more of a problem for the states to solve.

The president could order more investigations from the FBI on individual cases. But if that were simple to do. I imagine Obama would have done it. Unless even the Democrats don't care about that issue if they have enough donations in their pockets.

If you don't vote on a state and county level none of that will change. Presidents both Democratic and Republican will just give speeches on that issue.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Thumpy on 11/11/16 at 00:44:27
Sorry guys I only got to read up to reply #10 so far so I'll give you my two cents for what its worth.

XIZOR, you said that the media spoke little of the candidates policies, and your right, through out the entire campaign they spoke only 30 min of the candidates policies through the entire fucking campaign

All the rest was junk, fucking deliberate disctractions, to keep the population distracted from the real issues,
issues the corporate media does not want you to focus on.

You can call it Liberal or Conservative media, BUT ITS ALL COPRORATE MEDIA!!!!!!!

Sure I don't like what happed but the important thing I realized this last 16 months was how bad the media is, its own and controlled by corporations.

I don't want anyone telling me what I can and cannot hear.

So this is what I recommend especially for you XIZOR, stop watching the media, it will drive you nuts, and get you depressed, the only media I recommend (and its not perfect) is PBS public television.

CNN, MSNBC, FOX they are the 'junk food' of information, too much of it will drive you nuts.
I'm going to do this and I recommend you try it your self XIZOR for awhile.

I once worked for a major company and I walked by their corporate meeting room, they were having a meeting and the door was opened, they were complaining about a news center saying something they did not like, I don't know what it was the media said but I heard some punk kid say " If they don't stop talking about it we'll just pull our advertising".
That told me that the main reason they advertise their products are not to promote there products, but to CONTROL THE MEDIA. Well that's my belief.

Sanders exposed the establishment in the Democratic Party and that was a good thing, something that had to be done, however Sanders said something that I think you and many others XIZOR may have missed, we have to take over the party and fix it, I just don't think that running away is the answer.

Sanders also said and he emphasized this that change does not happen overnight, Obama has said this too.
We all saw the establishment in the Democratic Party and believe me I was pissed off at it too, but when you realize that you have a broken arm you have wait for it too heal and deal with the pain so what did you do XIZOR, you and many others, you got angry and impatient and cut the arm off, yes you did solve the problem, no more broken arm but we have no arm left.

Sanders did influence Clinton, he was changing her policies mainly cause he got 44% of the Democratic vote but lets just face the facts four years of Trump is going to be a fucking disaster and a nightmare for this country, I respect your decision XIZOR but I just think maybe you let your anger and impatience with the negative side of the left cloud your better judgement but that's just my opinion.

I do agree that there are radicals on both sides but I don't let them get to me or tell my what to do, say or believe, I believe in free speech from both sides, good debates on issues, I am a Liberal who believes in this as well as many conservatives.

As for saying that Hillary is a terrible person is so wrong and inaccurate, she had done so many great things for so many people I just don't know where you get that XIZOR, (fox?...maby?).

You also mentioned the angry protests about Trump, and I agree with you. They need to accept the results and learn from them. The Democratic Party needs a lot of soul searching and some young blood, and new leadership to have a future and people like you XIZOR need to get involved.

Toasty if your girl friend does not respect your decision she does not respect you.

Everyone has the right to vote for anyone for any reason, its a personal decision and right and I will always respect a persons vote regardless.

When people called on stores to boycott Duck Dynasty products I was against the boycott, the man has a right to express his opinion no matter how stupid it is.







Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 11/11/16 at 01:39:08
"The Left" and "Liberals" are comprised of multitudes of people who subscribe to all manner of different beliefs and go about expressing them all manner of different ways."

You can say that, but that's not what myself or anyone else is seeing out there in the world today. I KNOW this is true because I was a liberal and I watched as the people around me and the general message of being good to each other and fighting for civil and individual rights became way to extreme and negative towards others. Its a hive mind mentality now in that group that over time just eroded into having nothing to say at all and just devolved into calling everyone racists, bigots, homophobes, xenophobes, sexists, misogynists, religious discriminators, and evil.

As far as I can tell, the only people being reasonable are Libertarians, which is what I would probably consider myself, and they have some traction within the Left, but are generally seen as outsiders because they challenge some traditional Left and Liberal views.

The problem is no one on the Left holds their side accountable for anything and the radicals have been left do as they please and speak for everyone, ultimately giving that entire side a bad name and causing people like myself to bail. And if someone tries to speak out of turn they get called all those names as well because the Left will even cannibalize their own if they step out of line. 

Yes, there are always going to be outliers in any group and on any side, but I can tell you the Right is way more diverse and divided than you think. Donald Trump just shattered the Republican party and there are many who did not support him or vote for him on this side at all, and he still won! What does that tell you? This should be a plus for those of you on the Left because guess what, you kinda got a more liberal minded Republican president. You don't know it yet, but I'm calling it now.

Just a small example from today:

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/04/21/donald-trump-says-transgender-people-should-use-the-bathroom-they-want/

This is pretty much my view of things. Let people use whatever bathroom they want. It was never a problem before, but the Left needed a new victim to look out for so they could seem morally righteous, so they crafted a false narrative.

"My argument was more that police departments themselves should be actively recognizing the problem and working to improve their training. Or really, there should be an independent investigation into their training. I have heard great things about police body cameras though."

I don't think anyone disagrees with any of that. I certainly don't. Honestly though, I don't have any family or close friends that serve in the police department so I have no knowledge or first hand experience of how they hire people, the training they go through, or how to make it better. I don't have any nuanced solutions to this problem, but I do know that the media distributing false information and creating unrealistic narratives of the racial problems in this country and then blowing it all out of proportion did more to harm black people, white people, and police officers than it did towards helping them.

Perfect example of what I'm talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9ZRj_a_2qM

However, black people need to take responsibility for their own part in this. If black lives matter then they need to start looking at their own. Here is a list of statistics that show why, maybe, black people get get a little more attention by police:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/7441/7-statistics-you-need-know-about-black-black-crime-aaron-bandler

Huh, so a race of people who's shitty culture that glorifies being criminals and gangsters makes up most of the crime in the US despite being a minority group gets racially profiled and singled out by cops? Makes sense to me. When I'm walking down a dark street at night and I see three black guys coming my way, forgive me if I'm a bit nervous. That isn't my fault, that's black peoples fault for continuing to dress, act, and behave in a manor that perpetuates these stereotypes.

Of the handful of cases of black people getting shot by cops this year, at least among the high profile ones on television, at least half or more were justified shootings--still looking for the exact statistics--but people just blew it out of proportion. Sure, you could say that even one life is too many but when you don't comply with the police officers requests then sadly, you take your chances at that point. But no one wanted to wait for facts and instead react like fucking lunatics.

"My "starting point" will be those last questions - what do you think he will do, and how do you discern when he's saying what he actually believes?"

Well I think he's going to take a look at healthcare, government spending, taxes, and immigration. All things I care about.

Sure he said some wild things in the beginning, again to whip up support from the people (some of them maybe a bit racist and some that aren't) that are actually concerned about who and how many people we just let keep rolling in to our country. There is nothing wrong with taking another look at who we let in here. If an illegal mexican comes over here and falls off a ladder and goes to the hospital guess what? He gets free health care because its both cruel and illegal (in some states or cases) not to treat him but he doesn't actually have to pay for any of it because hes not an actual citizen with a social security number that we can go track down for payment later. So guess what, you foot that bill now. But that's just one small example.

Islamic terrorists are just happily strolling in to any and every country all over the world now killing people. No reason why we shouldn't be more cautions because the US is overdue for another major attack and I believe ISIS or someone else will attempt another attack on US soil in the next five years. Trump isn't going to start shipping muslims back over seas, he's just saying that to sound strong and in control, when in reality all I hear is "maybe we should pay closer attention".

I have more to say but I've been debating liberals for days at this point and I can't even make great points. If you've got some specific things Trump as said that you would like to me to consider and give you my take on it I will. I'm just sort of distracted and just pulling random things off the top of my head right now.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 11/11/16 at 03:19:26
Sorry I haven't replied to anyone else in this thread yet as Hellbent was always replying when I was so by the time I finished mine I couldn't reply to his reply because I hadn't seen it yet. I've just had this page open on a tab in my browser and writing things here and there throughout the day when I had time, mostly focusing on Nightshades points for starters.

Honestly though I agree with most of what Hellbent is saying so I don't really feel the need to respond. I feel like we are mostly on the same page about some of the circumstances surrounding why Hillary lost and Trump won and why we voted for him.

"You can call it Liberal or Conservative media, BUT ITS ALL COPRORATE MEDIA!!!!!!!"

Yes, its all corporate controlled media, but my point is that 98 percent of ALL media, not just the news, is pushing liberal agendas now. I don't watch the news, I don't even have cable, but this shit always trickles down into my daily life in some way. You can just completely ignore Fox News, that's easy and most people have been doing it for years, but when you can't escape the annoying liberal bullshit it becomes unbearable, especially when most of it is in turn being influenced by these radical SJWs and butthurt millennials on social media who interact with some dumb celebrity or public figure on twitter who then picks up whatever their outrage of the week is because it seems like a reasonable thing to do, fight for some poor victim and all, and then now you have everyone saying that this is the voice of our nation when it isn't.

Same thing with the retarded Colin Kaepernick shit in football, and oh look how brave he is sitting down during the national anthem, isn't he just such a hero, just look at him fighting for black America hooray! Even though he makes millions and had a free ride his whole life after being adopted by white parents and has probably never suffered anything a normal black person has a day of his life.

And this kind of shit is on ESPN, which is apparently just a fucking liberal sports network now because god forbid people get to just watch sports without having to hear about someone's political opinions.

Then today, JUST today as a perfect example, I log in to my favorite gaming site Kotaku and what do I see? This shit!

http://kotaku.com/a-note-about-the-election-1788828230

Its like for fucks sake can't I just go on a website about video games without having some liberal whiny bullshit shoved down my throat. And this isn't just Kotaku, its every single fucking gaming site on the internet, all filled to the brim with holier-than-thou fucking progressive liberal SJWs talking about how women aren't represented well enough in this game, or look everyone this game has a gay character because hooray look how progressive games are now! Give it a fucking rest, please for the love of God!

This is why I must fight, because liberal faggots cannot be allowed to control everything. It would be different if they were the liberals I grew up with that were generally just cool and laid back and shut the fuck up unless there was actually some huge injustice being done to someone or a group of people but now everyone is a professional victim of something and if they aren't a victim they are a professional coddler of people's feelings.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by NightShade on 11/11/16 at 06:15:35
Tell you what, I'll argue on behalf of your strawman if you argue on behalf of the people doing this kind of stuff: https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656

Don't tell me it's not the same, because it is. I'm showing you something the "hivemind" of "your side" is doing and expecting you to defend it.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 11/11/16 at 07:14:31
Seriously? No one would defend that kind of behavior.

I will say this though, that this does not represent the majority of the Right, but like always, the Left will just pretend it does because it fits their narrative that all Republicans and people who voted for Trump are racist and so the false narrative continues and the country falls further into chaos.

Honestly though, and I know this will sound harsh and wrong, but I feel it is the truth of the matter in my heart and as I see it, that when you push the coastal elite liberal agenda on the whole of the nation for this long and ask people to just lay down and accept all these brand new sexual, moral, and radically religious ideals of what America should be on them for this long, this is what you get. The Left are the ones that started protesting with some mild violence, and started burning flags yesterday and again, you think people are just going to stand for that? In these crazy peoples eyes, this was once again, people trying to take away their America, and I'm sorry that for some people their view of America is not what it should be, but ignoring these people is what got us here so you can't blame them for acting out, even if some of these actions are completely unacceptable. 

I'm a more rational person myself, but I get it that after a year of allowing black people to be openly racist with the black lives matter bullshit, (and don't pretend for one second that I can't go and find dozens of youtube videos of white people being beaten in the streets during those riots) which the Left totally allowed to happen, that this is the push back you get. White people had to sit there and take it, being made to feel bad because a couple black people got shot. Again, I don't condone this behavior, but this is what happens when you tell everyone they are racist, and guess what, some of them just say fuck it, I guess I'm a racist and I'm tired of having your bullshit shoved down my throat and they rebel.

For comparisons sake, please show me real Republicans, government officials, public figures, media trend setters, hollywood elite, youtube personalities or celebrities, gaming outlets, sports and entertainment personalities and organizations ON THE RIGHT that support and approve of this behavior and I will gladly help you or anyone else eradicate them.

But I, myself, CAN show you the faces, organizations, publications, that pushed their bullshit down people's throats for years that actually CAUSED this to happen because up until now, if there were racists people in this country, they kept to their fucking selves. Like Hellbent said earlier, you poked the hornets nest and didn't expect the bees?

Again, I can show you how liberals tried to gain moral superiority over the country, claiming they knew what's best for America and how this is the backlash you asked for, but can you show me how Republicans and people on the right who are the major players and actually have a voice of reason wanted this? I don't think you can.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Thrillho on 11/11/16 at 07:24:32
Follow the money.

There was no revolt against Republican media during Gamergate because the right wasn't infecting gaming journalism to push a political narrative.

Gamejourno Pro's was set up specifically to coordinate multiple publications. Ultimately using their coordinated efforts to take advantage of your average gamer. Trying to gain control of the media average gamers made popular. Intentionally alienating those who don't fall in line with the political agenda. To be rid of them.

The reasoning for it was personal politics and money. They were losing money to YouTube and player reviews. Only 3% of people read reviews to decide if they want a game or not. They had to appeal to a new base. Politics was an easy out. Taking money for review scores kept reviews profitable. Crony behavior with developers was also a way to boost their pay.

But ultimately the political shit got rammed into gaming publications because it generates clicks. Clicks that are hard to get these days by doing traditional gaming news. They aren't interested in giving gamers gaming news. All it takes is one person to do that. Because single people are doing that on sites like YouTube. It's not profitable enough anymore for a company to do it.

They have to appeal to a political base and hardline it for two reasons. To generate traffic and to gain control of the entertainment medium. They didn't reach the second point fully in gaming because they were found out. But you can still find games where their influence shows. Whether it's cronyism or coincidence I can't say for every case. But look up the development for Sunset, Depression Quest, or Revolution 60 if you want a peek into how that went.

That is my evidence that the bias in media to authoritarian left is the most prevalent. The Right Wing hasn't infected any other media nearly as hard to push their political agenda. Unless you count Country Music but that kinda goes with the genre.

Keep in mind I think it's this way because that is where the money is. Obama during his first term was amazingly popular. Less so during his second term but still leagues ahead of what Bush Jr was at in his approval ratings.

Of course there is Fox News. But you don't see Republican centric news trying to infect Movies or Gaming. They stay within their sphere of influence. In a way it's more honest. Which is saying a lot considering how Fox News just like CNN and MSNBC is simply a propaganda network.

But I think they've played too hard to the left to try and squeeze out as many clicks and views as possible. It's turned people off the leftist ideology. At least the way they package it. It's too authoritarian.



How this relates to Mainstream Media is simple. Just like only 3% of people go to gaming magazines for reviews. People don't look for news much anymore.

Associated Press does all the real reporting. Then Fox, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, and RT simply take that information and apply their spin to it. It costs less to do and people prefer to turn onto little talk shows where people "debate" the topics. Hardly any of the MSM outlets simply report the facts. There is always a spin.

There are 3 reasons for that. It's inexpensive thanks to Associated Press doing all the actual reporting for them. It attracts viewers by being highly partisan. But most importantly taking a hardline left or right stance gives you access to big political powers.

You want to talk to Clinton on TV? You play ball. Want to chat with Ted Cruz? Here's a list of demands. Refuse? Well you lost your interview and your easy money.

All this bias is directly related to money. If it were profitable to just report the facts and let the viewer make up their mind. It would be the popular way of providing news. It's just not the case anymore.

The hardline left got greedy. Obama's victories gave them a lot of power in the eyes of the public. Because hell Obama had good ideas and was charismatic especially compared to his republican counterparts.

But they got greedy infecting other media. They pushed their hand too far. That is how Gawker died and that is how Trump is the President Elect.

I admit a lot of this based on my own assumptions. Based on history and what facts I know. But I can tell you for certain if you see bias in media. There is a huge chance it's because of money.

If it weren't profitable to appeal to a large mass of people with partisan reporting. It wouldn't happen. There would be no Fox News or CNN. Associated Press would be all anyone looked at.






As far as the terrible shit Hilary has done. How about rigging the DNC to stab a candidate in her party who was more popular in the back? Selling out Americans to please huge banks the other people paying her? Adopting popular viewpoints like gay marriage only when they became popular viewpoints? Joking about assassinating a man for exposing her corruption?

Isn't it a bit suspicious so many people who worked for her die from gunshots? People inconvenient to her but not in the spotlight manage to mysteriously die. Perhaps she's really lucky. But holy shit I'd be terrified to speak out against her if I worked for her. I wouldn't want to commit suicide by shooting myself in the back 37 times.

Then you have the fact she's awful with security. She can't even keep her own corrupt plans secret. When it's discovered she broke the law she has an intern smash her phones to bits with a hammer and deletes the fuck out of the evidence. She is not afraid to commit a crime.

The list goes on and gets much darker depending on which sources you believe. I can only hope the darker shit is fictitious. If she actually gave authorization for a drone strike via text message. That is pretty evil. At least pick up the phone and talk into it if you're going to order a death.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by NightShade on 11/11/16 at 07:27:44
I was being facetious, trying to demonstrate how ridiculous it is to debate by lumping everybody on one side together and complaining about all of their worst qualities as if they apply to all of them. I could have just as easily posted David Duke, or any number of others, but I make a point of actively avoiding reading the rhetoric of those kinds of hateful people, and I'm not going to go on a research mission to prove that they exist.

At any rate, if this is the method of debate you're going to continue to use, I'm going to go ahead and respectfully bow out. You're upset, I get it, but whether it's deliberate or not, you are absolutely using a strawman here and I'm not going to engage with that.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 11/11/16 at 07:55:24
Oh, so you are using the old Hellbent playbook to post now, I get it.

This is what the Left does so thank you for proving my point; they come and dip their toes in the water, find out its too hot, and then just bow out proclaiming the higher moral ground because they can't possibly swim in a pool that might have some piss in it. They aren't human and base enough to rough and tumble with us lesser beings on the right.

What you don't understand is that I am on one front trying to expose how liberally biased the world and media is around all of you, while on the other hand trying to have a good old fashioned debate. Clearly I'm failing at the one you want but you haven't really replied with much effort for your cause. I've spent a lot of time today going over your questions and concerns but you haven't reciprocated.

To be honest I haven't really had an outlet to express all these fresh new ideas, beliefs, thoughts, and opinions to a receptive audience lately so I'm just kind of scattershotting a lot things at the moment. But to be fair, a lot of these concerns weren't being recognized by most people until the liberal wall came crumbling down when Trump won and then suddenly the kings of the Left said, wait, what are the peasants doing down there?

I can keep going posting links and videos and expressing what myself, the ration thinking Right, Libertarians, and possibly the silenced people in middle American feel, and better yet what I feel is the NEW modern Rights point of view...or you can all just ignore it and enjoy Trump for four more years the next time this happens, or maybe even someone worse.

I'm trying to expose the false narratives of the media. I have a lot more to go through so even if no one else posts or replies to this thread, just know that I will continue to contribute so that at the very least people can see or listen to different opinions whether you like or agree with them.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by NightShade on 11/11/16 at 08:26:55
Give me a break. I'm trying to be respectful, I'm trying to engage you about policies, but you're just ranting and raving. I don't know if you're trying to goad me, or if you're just really upset, but bragging about the "rational right" and shitting on the "[insert insult] left" is only making me less inclined to take you seriously, because it's representative of someone without an open mind. I'm not going to respond to insults. Post a reasoned argument about Donald Trump's policies and we'll talk.

If you don't like the "public figures, media trend setters, hollywood elite, youtube personalities or celebrities, gaming outlets, sports and entertainment personalities" don't watch them/listen to them/read them. Who is in the oval office has absolutely nothing to do with any of that. You're voting for the president, and the president has no control of that stuff. If you're offended by the rhetoric of goverment officials, that's a different animal, but the rest of that is just fluff.

The part of your argument I want to engage with is always the tiny bit at the end. You said you think he's going to "take a look" at these issues. What does that mean? What specifically do you think he is going to do?

I will admit I am being a little unfair because you did bring up some stuff that I just disagreed with and didn't say so. Like the stuff about the illegal immigrant falling off the ladder - yeah, I think he should get health care. I think any person injured within the United States is entitled to health care, and I think it should be paid for through taxes. Same thing with the islamic terrorists - all religions create fanaticism and there have been plenty of domestic Christian terrorism. I think law enforcement/FBI/CIA should be following threats of all kinds, but I don't think racial profiling is productive. Same with black people - I don't believe they have a "shitty culture glorifying crime", nor do I think that the way they dress and act is perpetuating stereotypes. I'm not going to dispute that black people commit crimes, but it's not because they're black. It's probably because a disproportionate amount of them are poor. Correlation does not equal causation, but because people assume it does, police are more likely to go after them. And black people are more likely to run from police because they're more likely to be unfairly treated by the police. And because black people are more likely to run from police, police are more aggressive. Etc. And honestly, this line:

"[...] this is what happens when you tell everyone they are racist, and guess what, some of them just say fuck it, I guess I'm a racist and I'm tired of having your bullshit shoved down my throat and they rebel. "

just makes me feel gross.

You disagree with this stuff obviously, so I guess I didn't see the point of getting into it, but I realize that's kind of shitty to not let you in on my thought process, so I apologize for that.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Thrillho on 11/11/16 at 09:24:52

NightShade wrote on 11/11/16 at 08:26:55:
If you don't like the "public figures, media trend setters, hollywood elite, youtube personalities or celebrities, gaming outlets, sports and entertainment personalities" don't watch them/listen to them/read them. Who is in the oval office has absolutely nothing to do with any of that. You're voting for the president, and the president has no control of that stuff. If you're offended by the rhetoric of goverment officials, that's a different animal, but the rest of that is just fluff..


https://twitter.com/hfa/status/772563031716982786


Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Magnum on 11/11/16 at 12:59:53
They all lie, how do you find out what is a lie and what is true?

That statement right there is where everyone needs to stop in their tracks, and change all this shit.

When I was a kid, I got smacked in the mouth and told not to lie, and that's a bad thing. You need to always tell the truth! So in 1980 when I'm listening to the adults about our election and how all politicians lie, I ask as a naive child that's 8 years old why can they and not me? I get the "It's complicated. When your older, you'll understand" So when I lied again being the smart ass I am and said I was playing politician, I still got smacked! 

I'M FUCKING OLDER AND I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND!!!

I personally don't give a fuck what side your on, who you voted for, or WTF ever with your own private life and the way you handle it. What pisses me off is what we are discussing at this site. Who the fuck was the better lair?!? And we have hundreds of these kind of people in positions of power on either side??

Divide and conquer.

I go for a Department Of Transportation physical to keep my job, to a medical company that provides service to the company I work for. The doctor asks me about my sleep treatment that I have been battling with over the last 6 months with the help of a specialist. When my "explanation" to him in his mind was actually "Being a little bitch." I almost punched him in the mouth. When I told him that was out of line he immediately said. "You must be voting for Trump."

WITAF is that shit? No he didn't get fired. Yes I contacted his corporate, and my corporate offices. Guess what? I said he said, and he was supposively reprimanded I was told because I made a stink about it. Now I have 3 months to loose 50 pounds because this fucking prick thinks it was cute to fuck me because of his bias. Do I blame Hillary for that? Fuck no. I blame the media and the individual. Unfortunately many individuals come together as a group, and this is where it starts. So now my life and job hang in the balance because someone just believes I'm voting for Trump? Fucking seriously?

I voted Gary Johnson BTW if you all give a shit. I couldn't vote for either 2, and there was no way I wasn't going to vote at all but fuck me right? Loser. I'm nuts for doing that.

About BLM. What I find disturbing here is what happened to Freddie Gray. Know his name right? Most do now. Where the fuck were these people for this man before that day? Ya'll give a shit about him then? No. Who fucking cares or who is he? These scenes in the main street of rioters burning a CVS. That is an area I delivered in for years.

I'm white. (in color really. I'm actually a Spic/WoP but whatever) Should I be scared when I go into that area now? Sure, maybe but I will try not to. Why? Because I respect what some of those people were actually saying on the news at the time but got cut off. The local news was doing alot of live interviews of people on location, and alot of them said it's just thugs looking to get free shit, cause problems, and make a scene. There were men standing in front of the police line to keep people from throwing things at them. One person was talking about "zip code discrimination" and how the system doesn't help what's really wrong in black America." Would you believe the camera cut off when he said that? And when it came back they said there was a tech problem and they got it resolved?

Fuck the media. 

Did any of you people outside of Baltimore hear about any of that? Because I watched it on live TV that day because I was on vacation. My wife even said to me that she was happy I was because I would've been around that area that day and she would've been scared for me.

What was the most covered thing about that day and what was pushed into the mainstream media?

You guys tell me. I watched it live. 

Fuck these liars in the whole Government and the media.


Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 11/11/16 at 15:31:06
"If you don't like the "public figures, media trend setters, hollywood elite, youtube personalities or celebrities, gaming outlets, sports and entertainment personalities" don't watch them/listen to them/read them. Who is in the oval office has absolutely nothing to do with any of that. You're voting for the president, and the president has no control of that stuff. If you're offended by the rhetoric of goverment officials, that's a different animal, but the rest of that is just fluff."


Thrillho wrote on 11/11/16 at 09:24:52:
https://twitter.com/hfa/status/772563031716982786



Hahaha. This is actually the perfect response. Yes, SJW cunt Anita Sarkeesian gets to speak before the UN. This is my point exactly; SJW's get a platform....at the United Nations.

But you're right Night, I should just ignore everything I love--video games, movies, television, the internet--the problem is that's not possible.

And I will post examples of why its annoying...every, single, day.

My passion is tearing down SJW's and the liberal influence in everything around me and I will continue to do so.

But I will get back to Donald Trump and his policies later today or tomorrow when I have time to make another huge reply but unfortunately I'm working all day.

Random Link (because its topical):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWxAljFlb-c&list=PLQJW3WMsx1q3BAZh3XsK1cSwCiaqjSulc&index=4

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Toasty on 11/11/16 at 18:05:14
Just seeing the SJWs cry in fear is delicious.

Now riots have been happening and the latest hashtag trend of #NotMyPresident is a thing.

This is just greatly amusing. The only thing I want Trump to do is make their lives miserable, high time too.

It's their fault they didn't want to see Hillary for the trash she is, they suffer the consequences.

Oh and fuck this cunt, too. https://twitter.com/lorellapraeli/status/796122470247964673

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by NightShade on 11/11/16 at 19:22:57
I've been trying to be respectful and polite, but if you're not going to reciprocate, fine. You want my honest assessment? When you're told that what you say hurts someone's feelings, it hurts your feelings, and instead of acting like adults to understand each other, or ignore people you disagree with, you lash out and elect the biggest bitch of them all. He can't handle being criticized on SNL. He can't handle being criticized in a debate. He wants to sue newspapers that don't praise him. Just today, he said that the protests were "unfair", not that they were pointless, not that he wanted to change their minds, but that they were "unfair" - that people exerting their first amendment rights was UNFAIR. Boo fucking hoo. He's going the most thin skinned president in history, and he's going to crack down on first amendment rights like no other president in history.

You're not first amendment defendants, you're hypocrites. Oh no, I have to hear things I disagree with! Oh no, when I say call somebody a cunt or a faggot, people don't like it! Well fuck them for having feelings! Fuck them for having lives I don't understand or relate to! Fuck society for respecting people! You don't care if your president is the embodiment of the very concept of a "special snowflake" that you're criticizing, because that's not your real concern. You just can't handle it when your surroundings don't conform to your worldview, so you want to shut everybody up so yours is the only voice there is.  Your votes in this election were the equivalent of a temper tantrum.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Toasty on 11/11/16 at 19:32:00
Hey, a thin-skinned president leading an even thinner-skinned society. Match made in heaven.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Thrillho on 11/11/16 at 21:43:40

NightShade wrote on 11/11/16 at 19:22:57:
I've been trying to be respectful and polite, but if you're not going to reciprocate, fine. You want my honest assessment? When you're told that what you say hurts someone's feelings, it hurts your feelings, and instead of acting like adults to understand each other, or ignore people you disagree with, you lash out and elect the biggest bitch of them all. He can't handle being criticized on SNL. He can't handle being criticized in a debate. He wants to sue newspapers that don't praise him. Just today, he said that the protests were "unfair", not that they were pointless, not that he wanted to change their minds, but that they were "unfair" - that people exerting their first amendment rights was UNFAIR. Boo fucking hoo. He's going the most thin skinned president in history, and he's going to crack down on first amendment rights like no other president in history.

You're not first amendment defendants, you're hypocrites. Oh no, I have to hear things I disagree with! Oh no, when I say call somebody a cunt or a faggot, people don't like it! Well fuck them for having feelings! Fuck them for having lives I don't understand or relate to! Fuck society for respecting people! You don't care if your president is the embodiment of the very concept of a "special snowflake" that you're criticizing, because that's not your real concern. You just can't handle it when your surroundings don't conform to your worldview, so you want to shut everybody up so yours is the only voice there is.  Your votes in this election were the equivalent of a temper tantrum.


Oh yeah don't get me wrong Trump is a tremendous pussy. That being said him and his family aren't namedropping Briana Wu and Anitia Sarkeesian. Who by comparison make Trump look like a stoic mountain of dignity. We didn't get an option for a "pro free speech" candidate dude.

I went with the blubbering pussy who is on my side. I'm not obligated to vote based on the interests of others. Both candidates aren't huge fans of free speech. If Bernie were on the docket I would have voted for him purely based on the fact he appreciates freedom of expression on a sincere level.

Though if you ask me. The DNC leaks are evidence that Hilary is worse than trump when it comes to critique. She handles it so poorly she achieved absolute control over CNN.

Furthermore I have a severe distaste for political dynasties. One of the best things Trump did was ensure we didn't have another Clinton or Bush in the White House. Fuck nepotism.

On a side note. This is hilarious.

https://twitter.com/realVivaEuropa/status/797066325030014977

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Spag on 11/12/16 at 00:05:07
I don't care for Trump but I'm very satisfied with the fact that Hillary lost after that shit she did to Bernie. Trump being president is not "the end of the world' or anything similar. All these people freaking out need to calm the hell down I'd say.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by The Truth on 11/12/16 at 01:19:19
I voted for Trump because he will make Twisted Metal great again. It wasn't an easy decision though due to Hillary's expertise in dodging sniper fire.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Spag on 11/12/16 at 02:11:54

The Truth wrote on 11/12/16 at 01:19:19:
I voted for Trump because he will make Twisted Metal great again. It wasn't an easy decision though due to Hillary's expertise in dodging sniper fire.


Ah yes, but you do know Jaffe is his vice president though right? Hopefully Trump doesn't get assassinated.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 11/12/16 at 06:28:04
"I've been trying to be respectful and polite, but if you're not going to reciprocate, fine. You want my honest assessment? When you're told that what you say hurts someone's feelings, it hurts your feelings, and instead of acting like adults to understand each other, or ignore people you disagree with, you lash out and elect the biggest bitch of them all. He can't handle being criticized on SNL. He can't handle being criticized in a debate. He wants to sue newspapers that don't praise him. Just today, he said that the protests were "unfair", not that they were pointless, not that he wanted to change their minds, but that they were "unfair" - that people exerting their first amendment rights was UNFAIR. Boo fucking hoo. He's going the most thin skinned president in history, and he's going to crack down on first amendment rights like no other president in history.

You're not first amendment defendants, you're hypocrites. Oh no, I have to hear things I disagree with! Oh no, when I say call somebody a cunt or a faggot, people don't like it! Well fuck them for having feelings! Fuck them for having lives I don't understand or relate to! Fuck society for respecting people! You don't care if your president is the embodiment of the very concept of a "special snowflake" that you're criticizing, because that's not your real concern. You just can't handle it when your surroundings don't conform to your worldview, so you want to shut everybody up so yours is the only voice there is.  Your votes in this election were the equivalent of a temper tantrum."

Yes, let out that inner bleeding heart liberal SJW faggot inside you! You know you want to cry along with the rest of the emotionally unstable baby frolics on the Left you worthless pussy!

But seriously, I think Trump is kind of a pussy sometimes. I liked him a lot in the beginning because he was so politically incorrect and had no problems just saying whatever and not giving a fuck. If anything, he made me laugh and I thought it'd just be funny to have such a cartoon character as our president just for the lols.

They did reign him in a lot during the last few months of his campaign which I think was a more realistic option but it does take away from the insanity that made him so popular in the beginning but as someone who is now our president elect, its probably not a good look any more.

But so many times he actually has a chance to do or say the right thing and he just doesn't deliver. Sometimes though, you see a glimpse of the man I wish he would be, if for no other reason than to make all the outraged SJWs calm the fuck down. Like in this video for example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK8XzRKOem8

"Oh no, I have to hear things I disagree with! Oh no, when I say call somebody a cunt or a faggot, people don't like it! Well fuck them for having feelings! Fuck them for having lives I don't understand or relate to! Fuck society for respecting people!"

I don't have a problem with anyone saying anything. Let's just get that out of the way right now. Let these SJWs and radical liberals say whatever the fuck they want, honestly. My problem, is that they perpetuate false narratives and unrealistic facts and ideas and I PROMISE that if you will just give me time, because I have been preparing for this for a while now, that I will deconstruct nearly all of the bullshit that gets spewed by feminists, the Left, and SJWs but I just haven't gotten there yet. But believe me when I say I've been doing some learning, research, reading, watching videos, and listening to thousands of hours of people talking about these issues extensively over the last six to eight months so that I would have the proper ammunition to expose why these people are such a joke. It goes way beyond just me finding them annoying or disagreeing with them and is more based on facts...not personal feelings.

But just ask yourself two things:

1) Do you actually think these SJWs are reasonable rational people and that overall their feelings are genuine, healthy, and or justified? And if you do, I will help show you why, in most cases, they are not. I haven't really seen you say whether or not you think these people are as crazy as myself and a lot of others do.

2) Did you ever think I would have voted for a Republican president and take such uncharacteristic stances on such issues having known me as long as you have? So what does that tell you about the seriousness of this entire situation? Well, it should tell you that times have changed and so has the liberal climate in this country and the world at large.

"Give me a break. I'm trying to be respectful, I'm trying to engage you about policies, but you're just ranting and raving. I don't know if you're trying to goad me, or if you're just really upset."

Again, sorry that I'm both trying to have a real discussion with you while also expressing my general hatred and disdain for modern liberals and SJWs. I actually lost a pretty decent job this year due to someone getting "offended" by a joke I made in the work place, so fighting against these emotionally fragile SJW's is a very personal thing for me so forgive my impassioned words and attitude towards these people because they actually do fuck up peoples lives with their hurt feelings. I will try to separate the two moving forward though so that you can engage with either or.

I'm not trying to goad you or anyone into petty fighting, and I'm actually not mad about anything, although I do think SJWs are the most annoying entities I've ever encountered in my entire life, but I am playing it up just a tad for effect in my replies sometimes.

"Like the stuff about the illegal immigrant falling off the ladder - yeah, I think he should get health care."

Get healthcare, or get free healthcare? I just want to make that distinction. Look, I get it, you, like most people, are a good person and you want to take care of other people and see them do well, but why can 11 to 14 million immigrants potentially get to take advantage of free healthcare in the US? How is that fair to those of us who actually have to pay for it and pay for their potential accidents and health conditions as well? I want to see people get the help they need also, yes, but I don't know why its America's problem to take care of everyone who wonders into this country illegally.

And I'm not saying that I think most or all illegal immigrants are bad people, but there are some and so I don't think we should just let anyone in here to mooch off our generous society.

What is your stance on immigration by the way?

Here is Donald Trumps points and policies on immigration. I won't list them all, you can just read over them yourself:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/immigration/

The line that sticks out to me the most, that I feel is fair and reasonable and what I believe an immigrant should adhere to is this particular line:

"Select immigrants based on their likelihood of success in the U.S. and their ability to be financially self-sufficient."

I understand these people just want a better job or a better life, but they shouldn't be allowed in unless they possess some type of valuable trade or skills, or can bring something of value to this country like a new business venture.

And I think people from Muslim countries should be put under even more scrutiny when entering the US, especially those that travel back and forth to foreign countries regularly. Yes, I know not all Muslims are bad so please spare me that bleeding heart speech because I know that, but given how much of a fine line it can be between good and bad, we need to pay more attention.

And really just on a fundamental level, traditional and cultural Muslim ideals don't really jive with American values. Sharia law is everything we don't stand for in this country. Again, there are plenty of decent Muslim people who have no problem integrating into our society but the truth and the facts can't be ignored just because we want to be a compassionate country that's the better man so to speak.

"Same thing with the islamic terrorists - all religions create fanaticism and there have been plenty of domestic Christian terrorism"

Yes, Christians and Catholics had their time of hatred and fanaticism...it was called the middle ages. Sure, occasionally a radical Christian shoots up an abortion clinic or something, but you can't compare that to the global atrocities caused by Islamic terrorists. And this is where you have to start separating your deep rooted liberal, compassionate heart from just cold hard facts.

Here are a couple of rough documented lists of suspected Islamic terrorist attacks just in 2016:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2016

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/terror-2016.htm

"Same with black people - I don't believe they have a "shitty culture glorifying crime", nor do I think that the way they dress and act is perpetuating stereotypes."

Well we just disagree here. I don't think ALL black people do this and that all black people are bad, but I would say a majority, at least based on where I live and have visited in the US, that this is my experience and I imagine I'm not the only one who feels that way.

Maybe that's a shitty attitude to have, but I could lay out a tapestry of life experiences I've had where black people have negatively affected my life and thus I have a different perspective because of those experiences but I don't want to bring my personal feelings into this too much because I'm not some wimpy SJW and given how easy it is for people to call you racist these days, I'd just prefer not to tow that line.

I'm running out of space for one reply, more later.

Random link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEwCvHVS394

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Magnum on 11/12/16 at 13:40:44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs

Is this what Xizor was trying to say?

so fighting against these emotionally fragile SJW's is a very personal thing for me so forgive my impassioned words and attitude towards these people because they actually do fuck up peoples lives with their hurt feelings. I will try to separate the two moving forward though so that you can engage with either or.

I will not. Fuck these people who fuck peoples lives up because "You must be voting for Trump." Here is your 3 month DOT card degenerate. Good luck getting better in that time.

Anyway. I'm crazy. I'll see myself out. Nobody wants to read the mad ramblings of a terrorist.

Was anything I said at all worth even reading or should I just STFU and quit being a "little bitch?"

Fuck I'm so butt hurt right now. I'm going to have to move in with Synthr. 

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Methid Man on 11/12/16 at 14:36:19
I see your point about SJW's who resort to "shaming" others by immediately calling them "racists, bigots, homophobes, xenophobes, sexists, misogynists, religious discriminators" etc., and I believe that, but let's not deny that these groups of people do indeed exist, and there are minorities out there who legitimately have been victims of these types of people. Trump himself may not be what the media says, but it's his supporters they're afraid of, specifically the above-mentioned types, because right now these types are feeling empowered by his victory. Minorities are (understandably) seeing this as potentially bad news for them and they have a right to feel sad, scared and upset about it.

I will admit I got upset when I saw the election results. For the record, I voted for Jill Stein.* I may not have cared too much for Clinton, but I always felt horrified at the thought of Trump becoming president, mainly because of the rhetoric he was saying towards muslims. I worry about what it might mean for me, a person with a muslim background. I've had a couple of friends who voted for Trump tell me that I really have no reason to worry. Now, I can believe that considering I'm white. Nobody would ever suspect me of any religious affiliation just by appearance alone. If I weren't white, though, and had a middle-eastern look to me, it could very well just be a hollow reassurance. For those telling minorities to calm down, that's easy for them to say because they're not the ones who have to go through these issues.

So no, I don't think I'm in any danger from hate crimes unless someone actually decides to dox me and finds out through that...which is exactly what my girlfriend's mom did when she saw my last name. Xizor, you remember that; you were the one who helped me gain her mom's trust. I've always had good reason to hide my background; now I feel the need to hide it even more. Funny thing is, I don't even follow my religion anymore, in fact I consider myself more agnostic now, but I don't think a doxer is going to see that.

"...People of like political minds tend to congregate, and lose perspective on other groups. That's why Trump's win came as such a surprise to so many. ...I kinda think that's a problem these days? Very polarized views but no true communication between them."

"I think a big part of the problem is that the loudest voices get the most attention, so the differences of opinions get exaggerated and exacerbated because people with like, normal opinions see the really loud, really stupid shit and think 'wow this is what those people who disagree with me think?'"

I think it's very important that both sides try to understand exactly how the other side feels about this whole thing to see where they're coming from. One of my friends showed me this which shows me that people who voted for Trump didn't necessarily vote republican or racist, they voted anti-government and anti-elite. I've had my own eyes opened. The left-wing media has certainly skewed things terribly, but that doesn't mean minorities have absolutely nothing to worry about either because like I said, this is emboldening those few who actually do hate others for what they are and some people are rightfully going to be weary of maybe not persecution from Trump himself, but from possible hate crimes from some of his more extreme supporters. Speaking of hate crimes, the riots we're seeing now is definitely anger from the anti-Trump/Clinton supporter crowd, I'm not blind to that, but I'd be willing to bet that we'd be seeing the same exact kind of reaction from the Trump/Alt-Right crowd if Trump had lost.

TL;DR, don't be surprised or annoyed that people are genuinely bothered by what may come of this.

*(I went to the website "ISideWith.com" and filled out a questionnaire on where I stand on all the issues. I made sure I answered as thoroughly as possible. When I finished, my result showed that I 92% side with Jill Stein of the Green Party. "Welp, guess this is who I'll vote for then." And also because it conveniently allows me to vote for someone that doesn't result in having half the country, right or left, aim knives at me for my choice, because how many people even know who Jill Stein is?)

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by †Adonael on 11/13/16 at 01:07:29
All I have to say on this subject is simple.

We all as a people know somethings wrong with the system. We don't have to like one another but if we'd actually work together as a common people, the majority of us, this kind of shit wouldn't happen. Humans are naturally selfish creatures though, not everyone can see passed ones own self interest.

Our system is pretty broken. From the outset political parties never should of been a thing. It's kinda like a multiple choice test with two bubbles rather than a question where you can write in your own answer. It causes division and issues.

Us as the people choose our quality of life, the Government only effect the laws. All this shit that's going on, the constant bashing, burning beatings, ridiculing that's going on is our own fault. Instead of blaming a broken system based on the worst bloated government in history, we blame and take our anger out on one another.

If we stood together instead of blaming one another and fighting against one another's beliefs then maybe this country would get somewhere.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Dim Shades Forever on 11/13/16 at 01:22:15
We were destined to get a shit sandwich either way but I didn't order it off the menu: I voted Gary Johnson.

If there's anything we should be pissed off about it is the fact that a former two-term Governor was not allowed to debate two of the biggest dickheads ever in an election where both of them were seen very unfavorably. However, when it takes 15% in 5 selected polls and your candidate isn't included in polling or all the polling is performed via landline where old-as-shit people are the prime demographic....it tends to piss off people that see life as more than black or white or liberal or conservative.

Hell, John McAfee could've probably got enough media attention to get into the debates. His antivirus software sucked but he's a great businessman and a good guy...albeit eccentric....but damn...maybe he'll run again in 2020?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EdXuazXKBA

McAfee -- the American bad ass.

Edit:

"Our system is pretty broken. From the outset political parties never should of been a thing. It's kinda like a multiple choice test with two bubbles rather than a question where you can write in your own answer. It causes division and issues."

Well said, sir! I'd be fine with names and their stances on the major issues [like a checklist] on the ballot than party affiliation. Political parties have gotten to the same level as college football teams....even when the party runs a shit candidate....they vote for them regardless because that's their "team". I'd be fine with issues taking the forefront and parties being dissolved.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 11/13/16 at 04:37:37
"Is this what Xizor was trying to say?"

More or less, yes. Plenty of other people are saying the same thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG6rNcsVOaA

"I will not. Fuck these people who fuck peoples lives up because "You must be voting for Trump."

Oh I'm with you, don't worry.

"and I believe that, but let's not deny that these groups of people do indeed exist, and there are minorities out there who legitimately have been victims of these types of people. Trump himself may not be what the media says, but it's his supporters they're afraid of, specifically the above-mentioned types, because right now these types are feeling empowered by his victory. Minorities are (understandably) seeing this as potentially bad news for them and they have a right to feel sad, scared and upset about it."

That's a fair point, but I do think all this gets blown way out of proportion, especially by the liberal media and the baby SJWs on social media that are just competing to see who can be the most upset and oppressed. Nightshade posted that link with some pretty ugly things in it, but overall I haven't seen widespread reports of any minorities actually being attacked and or killed and if there were believe me, after the black lives matter bullshit, we'd hear about it.

Honestly I would bet that more than half of this racist acting out bullshit is just people trolling the pussies on the Left. Sort of like months back when college students were merely writing "Trump" in chalk all around college campuses just to trigger weak people because that is how badly they can't handle reality; that even the word Trump written in chalk on a sidewalk makes them emotionally break down. This will all boil over in a week or two I believe. Just let the retards act out on both sides until they tire themselves out and have to get back to real life. 

And if there are real racist threats out there, let them rise to the top and show themselves so we can fucking destroy them.

"One of my friends showed me this which shows me that people who voted for Trump didn't necessarily vote republican or racist, they voted anti-government and anti-elite."

YES, THIS! Honestly, I think that is why Trump won above all. That's mostly why I voted for him. Fuck political correctness, fuck wallstreet, fuck the biased liberal media and agenda, and fuck Hillary Clinton and fuck the corrupt DNC.

See, Donald Trump isn't necessarily in anyone's pocket. He hasn't been bought out...yet. That's also why this election was so important because finally someone ran and won that wasn't already tarnished and apart of our fucked up system and didn't belong to big Pharma and greedy corporations. Whether that pans out to be good or bad remains to be seen, but why can't we at least try it and see?

See, this is what you can do when no one owns you. Trumps replies are straight boss status:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex9ldUHSgjs

"If we stood together instead of blaming one another and fighting against one another's beliefs then maybe this country would get somewhere."

Shut up and pick a side faggot, this is WAR! :::throws spear:::

"Hell, John McAfee could've probably got enough media attention to get into the debates. His antivirus software sucked but he's a great businessman and a good guy...albeit eccentric....but damn...maybe he'll run again in 2020?"

He clearly has no clue about the Cyber, and if he can't even protect my computer how is he going to protect our borders? I will admit that the dramatic slow mo cigar smoking was pretty boss though. Not to mention hes got a bad ass black bitch and some pitbulls by his side. You really can't fuck with that shit.

Random Link: The Young Turks. Worst thing on the internet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep-YbqfkuzM

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by †Adonael on 11/13/16 at 06:51:59
I did choose a side. I choose the third option. MY SIDE.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by NightShade on 11/13/16 at 07:31:32
I think the only real deeply held belief Trump has, is that "Trump is infallible".

Everything else I think he agrees with whatever the last person he talked to told him.That's why he backtracked on Obamacare and the wall after talking to Obama (and why he'll probably reverse course again after talking to his cabinet - which, by all accounts thus far, will be made up of Washington and Wall Street insiders and lobbyists).

I don't know if it was a deliberate strategy on Trump's part (if it was, it was as brilliant as it was evil) or if it was a symptom of what I mentioned in the last paragraph, but Trump has taken just about every position on everything. Look at this: http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/full-list-donald-trump-s-rapidly-changing-policy-positions-n547801

It's brilliant because it allowed voters to create the perfect mental candidate. You can find a quote of him saying everything you believe in - the only problem is he's also said the opposite. But when he said the thing you disagree with, he didn't mean it, right? He only meant it when he said something you agree with.

I also think it's quaint that you think that a few months of research is going to flip the script on anything. You think that just because you were an uninformed liberal, that all liberals are uninformed? I've been politically active for like 17 years. Republicans - in general, because republicans are a group of disparate people, just like democrats, and black people, and jewish people, and LGBT people, and Muslims - are far worse about perpetuating false narratives and lies. Trump is probably the most egregious liar in presidential history, and it's well documented.

I don't know what you think you're going to deconstruct about feminists and SJWs. I'm a feminist in that I think women deserve all the same rights as men. If you're talking about specific feminists that take things beyond that, and you want to argue with them, go right ahead, but I'm not going to speak on their behalf.

1. I think some "SJWs" are reasonable rational people and that overall their feelings are genuine, healthy, and or justified. And some of them are not. THEY ARE DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

2. It does strike me as surprising, but there are all sorts of reasons people flip from one side to the other. Losing your job because of a PC incident probably didn't help matters. It does NOT tell me that you have some sort of secret inside scoop that's going to change everybody's mind.

For what it's worth, I'm sorry you lost your job, that sounds like a shitty situation. Same with you Magnum, that sounds awful, and those people sound like real pieces of shit. That said, you need to understand that one person's actions cannot be blamed on a group of people. This is a fundamental problem that will render all of your arguments about "the left" moot. You have to argue against the specific issue, not the people that espouse them.

Re: Healthcare - no healthcare is free, that's not how it works. Even when you're talking about socialized medicine, it's paid for by taxes. But my belief is that yes, if an illegal immigrant comes into the country with his family, and his 3 year old daughter gets a disease, she should not die because she's not a citizen. Nor should his wife, or himself. Maybe it's not "fair" but I'm willing to pay a few extra bucks in taxes so that people don't die.

Re: immigration - I definitely think that's too strict. What about kids that were brought here as children, grew up here, go to college here, have never known anything else? What about people trying to escape oppressive regimes and Sharia law?

Thoughts on climate change?

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Magnum on 11/13/16 at 14:33:55
Instead of blaming a broken system based on the worst bloated government in history, we blame and take our anger out on one another.

If we stood together instead of blaming one another and fighting against one another's beliefs then maybe this country would get somewhere.

Damn strait. That's what I like to hear. 

I havent lost my job yet. It's where it made it more difficult because I lost 2 months of time. Who the fuck do you know can loose 50 pounds in 3 months?!?!?

And it wouldn't have mattered at all if the asshole said "Ohhh you must be voting for Hillary" I don't give 2 shits who the fuck you are. If you are in a professional setting AT YOUR JOB, your opinions are irrelevant. I hope you all know that I did mention I blame this individual and not Hillary.

And this is the problem. The individual isn't really held accountable anymore. This guy gets a reprimand? You fucking kidding me? I say some shit like that in my uniform guess what I'm doing? Looking for another job because my ass would be fired. Walk into the fucking street to block fucking traffic, and that's not against a law? Can't do anything because the police are bad guys, so we'll tie half a city up because we're pissed our person didn't get in regardless who won.

"One of my friends showed me this which shows me that people who voted for Trump didn't necessarily vote republican or racist, they voted anti-government and anti-elite."

YES, THIS! Honestly, I think that is why Trump won above all. That's mostly why I voted for him. Fuck political correctness, fuck wallstreet, fuck the biased liberal media and agenda, and fuck Hillary Clinton and fuck the corrupt DNC.

Again. don't care what party your for or against. This is the truest statement out there.

About things Trump has said and where his position is on things Night. There are also a fuck ton of videos I've also seen with Hillary doing the same thing. They all lie. That's why in my 1st post is we as a country are seriously quarreling over who the fuck the better liar is??

Fucking amazing.

Don't get me started on the equal shit for women. I'm all for a woman to be able to do anything in the world she wants to do. I will applaud it. I've seen some amazing female drivers. But when I have to take a route from a woman driver because the things in it are to much weight to handle and she's paid same as me, fuck that. And get pigeon holed as a sexist pig because THE ONLY THING I ASKED "Why couldn't she take it?"  Where I and other drivers have worked through some pretty hurtful injuries, and she's out 6 months for a sprained ankle? Or if something large needs moved who gets called on? 

Do not ask to be equal, and then demand special treatment. You want some fucking equality? Don't belittle men, but ask to have your fucking couch moved or go and kill a fucking spider. I've gotten the "you'll never know the pain of child birth" bullshit. Sure.....You know that if I'm the responsible man I should be, I'm going to be in a lot of pain raising that child too ya know? Ohh but fuck me right?      

Immigration- My great grandparents on both sides came to this country legally. If there is still a system in place and it hasn't changed much in the last 50 some odd years (I guess), what's the problem? During that time people were fleeing Europe from the Nazi's and Mussulini. They went through the gates like they should. They went to the schooling they should and learned English. They were documented and accounted for and when it was time to take that oath, they became a citizen. So easy right? Why is it so hard now?

Because people come into this country illegally, have children on US soil to get anchor babies. Or companies employ a lot of illegals and with enough money it can make eyes go away. Then we have the people who say it's wrong to kick em out but, are they going to want to pay the money to support them and educate them? Probably not. I can't go to a foreign country and expect them to speak English. Fucking come here and learn it. My family did.   

Why the hell go through the hard part of doing it right when you can skirt the system? Of course there are millions of people applying the correct way. Props to them for wanting to be a US citizen. It's the millions more that don't that make this a problem. Just because you show up doesn't give you an automatic right. Who the fuck thinks that?      

Climate change? As far as what humans have done to the planet, we're pieces of shit if you can look at any unregulated countries that don't care. Until that's solved, you can't ever go back to a pre industrial age planet. Impossible unless there is some kind of huge innovation, and we just stop making things. The US has it's parts where there is no fucking way you'd drink the water but, again......since we all like our stuff how "Green" can we get? Go back to living in caves? 

Besides, mother earth will do WTF ever she wants anyway. 

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by SynthR on 11/14/16 at 02:10:54
I'm not going to debate this in detail because I loosely follow American politics. For whatever reason the media loves the circus and stoked the fire that created Trumpzilla. I don't watch Keeping Up With The Kardashians, so why would I watch American politics? Neither candidate was worthy of presidency and this should never have happened. They should have scrapped everything and started over to find better candidates. Everyone knew this was going downhill quickly but nobody stopped it. The system doesn't have a reset button. The same democracy that allowed this to happen sat by and did, or rather, could do nothing. Both sides should have looked at each other and said, "Let's hit reset and start a new save file." Instead, we were fucked either way.

Some random thoughts:

1) I don't like Trump and Hillary is a piece of work too. Neither were fit to lead. Trump can't even speak properly - he's a complete douche. In fact, he says a lot of nothing and mixes in hateful speech to bully the opposition. If you hear a racist or sexiest remark, don't your ears perk up? You know what you just heard was wrong. What kind of leader talks like that? Trump is going to fuck everyone and I think everyone, including those that voted for him, know that. I swear we're all on the verge of heading into another economic depression. If it happens, it's going to be bad. Trump is basically a caricature of how the world views America. He's this overbearing asshole with tons of money pointing his finger at everybody demanding change. Change that he hasn't even bothered to articulate in detail and probably won't even see through himself. It's not as easy as throwing illegals out and shutting down trade. He can't just do those things willy-nilly and people aren't going to abide quietly.

2) He believes climate change was something created by China. That's tinfoil hat shit. He's shitting on actual science here. What a complete moron. He's going to reverse a lot of positive things that have taken place over the last decade to ensure our world doesn't kill us off before our greed does. So let's say he shit-cans things like Carbon Tax, making it cheaper for industry to produce goods because it's expensive to operate sustainably. Well, Canada is fucked in that scenario because we will move manufacturing to the States or elsewhere where it's cheaper. Canada loses jobs, nobody has money, Great Depression. Issues surrounding climate change are real and we're close to being at the point where it's irreversible. That's serious and this guy doesn't believe it.

3) America will have a leader that will form the backbone and create a strong platform for a massive rise in hate crime. Hate crime shouldn't exist anymore, but it does and probably always will. Every piece of shit racist, bigot, sexiest asshole is going to think their actions are justified because they identify with their country's leader. What in the world? Is this real life? You can't stop violence but Trump taking office is going to set everyone back to the 1980s. What a fucking moron. He's going about all this so wrong and he gave strength to people that shouldn't be empowered. Now, I don't want to hear about the SJW bullshit because that just leads into extremism. There are casualties on both sides, a difference in opinion, and that's fine, but the violence that we've seen lately isn't dick compared to what's going to happen. Nobody is going to stand for hate crime and there's going to be an explosion coming, which might be exactly what Trump wants so it fuels the Prison Industrial Complex. If you're not familiar with what that is, you should probably research it because Trump supports it 100 percent. Slavery still exists, folks.

4) He surrounded himself with his entire family. All of his kids have jobs in government now. What in the actual fuck is that shit? None of these people know what they're doing. Even people that aren't family and have been in politics are decades behind the curve. Their views of the world are ancient and shouldn't be allowed to see the light of day. The first thing I think of is The Dark Knight Rises. Bane takes over Gotham and all of a sudden every criminal out of Arkham has power. It's complete anarchy. The wrong people are going to be making decisions that will affect us for generations.

5) Despite putting his family in office with him, Trump is not a family man and won't ever be. Giving his family work wasn't because he cared or thought they were a good fit. It's his way of creating a vacuum for enforcing his soon-to-be detrimental leadership. For that reason, I find him completely unrelatable. The President should be a parental figure that views their country as their family, children, whatever. He's a vain piece of garbage and he's proven is over and over. The things I saw Obama do for people, I can guarantee Trump won't even come close to being as charitable with his time. I'll laugh if I see him handing out candy to kids or dancing around in public. It won't be genuine. I've never seen anyone just walk among his people like Obama did and the love he has for his wife and kids. That's a damn good leader. Trump doesn't have it in him because he's "business first". He works long hours, never comes home and has an affair with a co-worker - not unlike many other past presidents. He's the estranged father that gives his kids gifts to make up for not being there.

6) Trump will be impeached before his term is up. The Republicans won't be able to keep the leash on him and he's going to get out of control.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Thrillho on 11/14/16 at 02:44:25

SynthR wrote on 11/14/16 at 02:10:54:
6) Trump will be impeached before his term is up. The Republicans won't be able to keep the leash on him and he's going to get out of control.


I sure hope not. Then you'll get Pence haha.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 11/14/16 at 04:42:39
"It's brilliant because it allowed voters to create the perfect mental candidate. You can find a quote of him saying everything you believe in - the only problem is he's also said the opposite. But when he said the thing you disagree with, he didn't mean it, right? He only meant it when he said something you agree with."

Yeah, he flip flops all the time. No one is denying that, and it isn't going to end any time soon especially once he realizes what its like to actually be President. Most politicians do this though honestly. If you can find a single politician who has stayed on message and on their script throughout their entire time in office I would love to meet this person.

Regardless of that, at least he was saying things that resonated with Americans, whether they were truthful or not, because people believed him even if he is a snake oil salesman. Hillary certainly wasn't reassuring anyone in this country of anything other than to vote for her because we need to have the first female President and because Trump is the alternative.

But I'm not going to sit here and act like I think Donald Trump is a great person who is going to do great things. I've already expressed my main reasons for voting for him, but I will be the first to tear him down when he fucks up and the first to praise him if he does well.

"I also think it's quaint that you think that a few months of research is going to flip the script on anything. You think that just because you were an uninformed liberal, that all liberals are uninformed? I've been politically active for like 17 years. Republicans - in general, are far worse about perpetuating false narratives and lies. Trump is probably the most egregious liar in presidential history, and it's well documented."

Oh come on. Give me more credit than that. I've always been more or less politically active and aware of what's going on depending on when you ask me over the years but I'm not a moron. When I say I started looking into things earlier this year it was because I was getting annoyed with the Left and starting thinking, hmm, let me see what's going on on the other side since I never really give them much of a chance and turns out, I actually agree a lot more, currently, with what people believe and what they are saying on the Right. So then I did some homework just to make sure these guys weren't as crazy as the Republicans and Conservatives that I remembered in past years and to verify their shit and make sure I knew what I was talking about when the time came.

I can tell by your tone in this whole particular reply though, that you are taking that typical liberal look down my nose at you attitude, but that's to be expected at this point I guess.

"I don't know what you think you're going to deconstruct about feminists and SJWs. I'm a feminist in that I think women deserve all the same rights as men. If you're talking about specific feminists that take things beyond that, and you want to argue with them, go right ahead, but I'm not going to speak on their behalf."

I'm actually going to deconstruct a lot. Should I go ahead? Should we start with the wage gap myth? As I said, all in good time, I'm fighting and debating on like 50 fronts right now.

But what are feminists fighting for anyway? Women can literally do anything a man can in today's world so what's the problem? Well, nothing, so they make up problems like the wage gap. Name one thing that a woman can't do in America? Show me where they are being oppressed.

"2. It does strike me as surprising, but there are all sorts of reasons people flip from one side to the other. Losing your job because of a PC incident probably didn't help matters. It does NOT tell me that you have some sort of secret inside scoop that's going to change everybody's mind."

I'm not here to necessarily change anyone's mind, but at the very least offer up some different opinions and points of view, some that changed even me and might maybe change the way someone else thinks about something as well. If all you do is hear the liberal side of things and just assume that the Right is made up of a bunch of old retarded white men and religious fanatics, then you aren't paying attention (not saying you are going this, just that a lot of people on the Left do).

Also, if you or anyone else aren't watching any or all of the videos I've been posting in my replies then you aren't getting more of the bigger picture I'm trying to paint here. I understand if people don't want to watch a million youtube videos about politics or anti-feminist/SJW stuff, but I'm not just posting these videos for no reason. They are filling in a bit more of the perspective I have to save me some time in explaining everything and to give some other perspectives.

"That said, you need to understand that one person's actions cannot be blamed on a group of people."

Yes, duh, but the point I've been trying to make THIS WHOLE FUCKING TIME is that the ridiculous stuff I take issue with on the Left is pretty much being said and repeated by everyone from Hollywood to CNN to MSNBC to basic television to social medial to the entirety of games journalism to literally EVERYTHING! and none of your people ever call anyone on your side out on any of their bullshit. As long as it sounds good and the intent is to make the other side look bad and people make it seem like its hurting their feelings or defending some cause, then you just let them have a platform to fucking bitch about everything and never question whether they are being truthful or whether they are justified in what they are saying.

You say "these people" don't represent you, so why, then, is everyone taking issue with them and the entire liberal agenda based on the narratives these people are putting into place? Why are all the people I see on the Left, no matter where I turn in life, reading from the same prescribed script with almost no deviation whatsoever?

There are radicals on both sides yes, but who are the people on the Right that you think have so much influence that are corrupting this side? And please show me in great detail how these people are enforcing false narratives that a majority of Republicans are rallying behind. If your answer is merely Trump then, nope sorry, most Republicans denounced him long ago and the ones that still voted for him only did so because the alternative was Hillary.

Who else you got? Glen Beck or something? He's all but shouted himself out of existence at this point. No one cares about him or takes him seriously. What Hollywood celebrities are out there telling you to vote Trump? Where are these people at? If you can find someone, I guarantee you that they don't hold as much, if any, sway in the grand scheme of things.

My WHOLE ENTIRE POINT is that the Republican party, Conservatives, and the Right overall does not have one unified narrative and that our crazy people are the sort that get laughed at and looked down upon as being the same old stupid that made people not like the Republican party to begin with.

If you say all these people I'm seeing and hearing everywhere I look don't speak for you, then who does? Who do you champion on your side? You asked me when this all began to tell you where I get my news and who I like and I listed some of them for you. So who should I, in turn, being listening to and paying attention to for the real liberal/democrat/Left's point of view that you feel represents what you believe?

"Re: immigration - I definitely think that's too strict."

Well what IS your stance on immigration beyond what you believe these people have rights to once they are already here? Because based on what you've said thus far and the fact that you live in Texas I just have to assume that you are standing there at the border just waving these people over and giving them free juice boxes and cookies and telling them you'll help take care of their families. Do you really think anyone should just be allowed into America?

"Re: Healthcare - no healthcare is free, that's not how it works."

And free healthcare that you don't either pay for out of pocket or through taxes is the definition of free healthcare.

The point that I think gets lost on so many people is that illegal immigrants are ILLEGAL as in AGAINST THE LAW. Sure, most of them aren't bad people or committing major crimes like murder or rape, but its still a CRIME and AGAINST THE LAW. Why then, are people that are here AGAINST THE LAW able to reap the benefits of our country?

Every country in the world has borders and every country tries to protect them, so why are we different? This is exactly why Brexit happened as well, because people were tired of just letting anyone into their country, into their cities, and into their neighborhoods.

And to be fair Night, you keep asking me to defend Trump and his policies and my view points on everything but you've never said who you voted for or why you believe they or their policies or beliefs are better than Trumps and why you voted for them. Honestly, you really aren't reciprocating a lot of stuff because I guess you just assume you are righteous in your political stance and beliefs. I've been debating your replies line by line, replying to specific sentences and opinions, you've done very little of the same. Do and say what you please I don't really care, I'm just saying that I've given up basically all my free time this week to have discussions and debates about all this, not just on here but other places as well, because I think its important. That's my choice obviously, but I just want to make sure you're actually interested in at least hearing me out and understanding where I'm coming from and not bailing as soon as you think you've got me figured out because you don't, good sir.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 11/14/16 at 06:21:58
"Don't get me started on the equal shit for women. I'm all for a woman to be able to do anything in the world she wants to do. I will applaud it. I've seen some amazing female drivers. But when I have to take a route from a woman driver because the things in it are to much weight to handle and she's paid same as me, fuck that. And get pigeon holed as a sexist pig because THE ONLY THING I ASKED "Why couldn't she take it?"  Where I and other drivers have worked through some pretty hurtful injuries, and she's out 6 months for a sprained ankle? Or if something large needs moved who gets called on?"

No please, get started. I really do think its important that people understand that we need to stop coddling women and pretending they are equal to men across the board.

I love women. LOVE women. They are one of the greatest part of life and a huge important part of my life and why I enjoy being alive so much. I want to be around women as much as I can. They are smart, sexy, and fascinating. I want them to have EVERY RIGHT and EVERY OPPORTUNITY men do. But I don't know why we can no longer celebrate what is great and different about women and what is great and different about men any more. Why is it sexist to say anything negative about women, but its ok for women to shit all over men?

Men are typically physically stronger and more able than women in terms of physical build and overall body strength and muscle mass. Its just a fact. Sure, there are some tough women out there who could kick the ever living shit out of me, but that's called anecdotal evidence and doesn't represent the majority of women.

The wage gap is bullshit, yet its being thrown around by every third wave modern feminist, female liberal or Hollywood actress who that wants to stand up for women's rights because celebrities and these cultural experts know better than the average person right?

Maybe someone somewhere in the world is paying women less for equal work--just based purely on random odds there has to be someone--but so far no one has ever been able to turn up any evidence, within ANY company that I've ever seen, to the contrary.

I have never worked any where, where women were paid less for equal work. I have never hired a women, in a position to make such decisions, and paid them less than anyone else. And I have never seen, when having any sort of behind the scenes look at what the workers in the workplace at the company I was employed with get paid, that women were EVER paid any differently. That's just my experience though so what do I know?

Well I do know that I've seen women hired and promoted over men with equal and often times more qualifications than men vying for the same positions purely for public appearance sake, to seem more diverse and inviting to all genders and ethnicities. The company I'm referring to? Gamestop, which thought it was a bad image and could increase sales in other demographics by hiring, firing, and promoting based on gender and race because, unfortunately, most gamers are white dudes and those are the people who tend to work there or want to work there.

I once worked at a local country club with an entire female staff. After a couple months I was "taken off the schedule" without reason, only to find out later on that the bored housewives who made up almost the entirety of the staff shit talked and complained about me to management saying I wasn't doing this or that, all because they were upset that I was taking away from their tips simply because I got along better with the mostly male customers than they did, even though I never actually did anything to get fired over. I wasn't mad at those women or at women overall though, this is just the tribal nature of human beings.

I do know that the last job I was hired on for I was also let go because I "didn't really represent the image of the company" and "didn't really jive" with the rest of the staff, made up entirely of cute females. And even though I was qualified for the position, I'm a 34 year old engaged male--who had just gotten let go of his last job because a young female employee was "offended" by something harmless I said in jest and so was a bit more cautious and guarded--working alongside a bunch of females ranging anywhere from 10 to 15 years younger than me so sorry that I was just trying to work harder than everyone else and focusing on learning and being better at the job to gossip with the gals. There were a couple of other minor reasons I was let go, like business being a bit less than ideal for such a new upstart and that my particular job title was in the higher range of pay (though there was another female in an equal position making the same), but the overwhelming vibe I got for why I was let go was because my penis wasn't inverted. I wasn't mad at the women though, and I have no right to be, because women aren't sexist at all.

But enough about me, this doesn't support the narrative of women's treatment in the workplace or the wage gap spewed forth at every opportunity by feminists and SJWs does it?

Here are some other alternate opinions on debunking the wage gap myth. I have a million more, but we'll just cherry pick three for now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oqyrflOQFc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WykFCDLhUjs&t=3s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNeVBaGFL7I&t=14s


Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by SynthR on 11/14/16 at 13:55:02
I'm for equality in the work place, but not everyone is capable of performing the work, both men and women. The thing is you need to be fit for the job. Should a police force have female officers? Yes, but should they be paired with a man and treated as an equal force? No. A 5'5" woman isn't going to take down a raging beast of a man doped up on something. What happens is she becomes a liability and her male partner will have to watch out for her - he can't rely on her to have his back at that point, which puts them both in jeopardy. You don't see two female officers paired together do you? You need to have a woman that's built like a man, unfortunately. That's how I see things. Nothing is equal in this world and trying to pretend like it is doesn't work.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 11/15/16 at 04:44:42
This right here is proper unbiased journalism coming from the Right. This lays out why most Republican conservatives don't like Trump and makes concise and fair arguments about a lot of important topics surrounding this election all backed up with facts.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/10759/good-bad-ugly-comprehensive-guide-america-after-frank-camp

Here is yet another example of free speech being silenced by fascist liberal cunts. Professors are no longer allowed to speak out in favor of Trump or against anti-Trump people without being reprimanded, asked to step down, or fired. That's right folks, liberals have seized control of our education system so say goodbye to the first amendment.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/10766/university-professor-steps-down-program-director-amanda-prestigiacomo

Meanwhile, on these same college campuses school is being shut down and mid terms are being postponed to help coddle precious snowflakes that can't deal with reality. Just look at this pathetic bullshit. This is the future of America folks, nothing but fucking liberal pussies.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/10767/anti-trump-hysteria-seizes-santa-monica-college-karina-lopez

The last beacon of hope for liberals and the only one I can still stomach, Bill Maher, telling it like it is. At least someone gets it.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/10746/bill-maher-lays-down-2-hard-truths-democrats-after-james-barrett

As for you SynthR, this is what Donald Trump has to say about your kind:



Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 11/15/16 at 07:27:38
Let me get back to some more feminist, SJW deconstruction while we wait for some more political replies to roll in.

So, now according to the spokeswomen for all females, feminists and SJWs, society is supposed to just accept that any female of any weight or size should be seen as beautiful and healthy and to think otherwise is fat shaming, body shaming, sexist, or misogynistic. 

Sorry to break it to you but no ones thinks you're fat, just unhealthy. Sorry we don't want you to die. Sorry that your poor life choices have lead to you destroying and disfiguring your bodies, but you do not dictate what's sexy or beautiful and sorry that overall society doesn't find you attractive.

Now, who really has a problem with curvy, thick, or larger women? I'd say most likely, other women or gay fashion designers. Other than that I don't really know of any males who just look at fat chicks with disgust or disdain. Most guys date or fuck some fatties in their life. Honestly men don't really care most of the time as long as you're cool, because fat chicks usually work harder and do more stuff in bed.

I've dated and fucked quite a few curvy women in my time because overall we don't really care. Sure, a lot of times we prefer healthy looking women with a more average body type, but no males are out there fat shaming women on the scale these SJW's proclaim.

I could probably offer up some more nuanced videos about why these fat activists are unreasonable and retarded, but I think we'll go with a more comedic approach here, because let's face it this is so silly and absurd that it doesn't really require a lot of analysis.

Gavin McInnes, the greatest thing to ever come out of Canada, my personal hero, and the funniest man to ever live has one of my favorite videos about why this pro-fat movement is so stupid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4hKr0fyJRo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMBb4StJ4BY&t=327s




Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by NightShade on 11/15/16 at 07:42:55
I like to get my news from the Washington Post, New York Times, and NPR. I feel like these are about as unbiased as you're going to get, and they employ actual journalists. I'll read editorials from elsewhere, but take them all with a huge grain of salt.

All politicians flip flop, but not even close to Trump. What he does isn't "flip flopping", it's strategic deception. He'll tell one group of people one thing, and another group something different, because he doesn't want to tell anybody anything they don't want to hear. These things are not comparable.

You just said yourself that you didn't give "the other side" much of a chance before - that sounds like an uneducated liberal to me. You have to educate yourself about both sides to be informed. Really, it sounds like you were always conservative, but you didn't realize it until you looked into what the parties actually stand for.

But yeah, like I said before, if you're going to pepper your replies with phrases like "typical liberal" and continue to lump people together in groups, I'm not going to give you the benefit of the doubt. You say "duh", but you keep doing it. It's profoundly hypocritical - your argument is that you hate being labeled as a racist/xenophobe/sexist just because some fellow conservatives are, yet you perceive liberals, black people, feminists, etc. as homogeneous hive-minds. All liberals are not "my people" just as (I hope) all conservatives aren't "your people".

I can't tell you why "all the people you see" do anything. If they all follow the same "script", that's too bad. Variety is the spice of life. Perhaps you should talk to other people. But today is your lucky day, because I'm not going to argue with your wage gap point. There's a lot of nuance there that the "77%" statistic doesn't account for (though that's not to say a problem does not still exist). http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/jul/15/politifact-sheet-gender-pay-gap/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/08/its-2016-and-women-still-make-less-for-doing-the-same-work-as-men/

Women are fighting for respect. They're fighting so when Donald Trump says "Look at that face, who would vote for that?" people realize how fucked up that is. They're fighting because when Donald Trump bragged about sexually assaulting women, people thought the problem was the word "pussy". Sexism is often subtle and about perception, and of course you don't see it in your day-to-day life, you're not a woman. It goes back to the implicit bias I mentioned before. Here are a couple of examples:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/16/the-remarkably-different-answers-men-and-women-give-when-asked-whos-the-smartest-in-the-class/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/13/boston-wants-to-teach-every-woman-in-the-city-to-negotiate-better-pay/

Re: Immigration - Of course the border needs to be protected, of course we can't just let everybody in, and we need to vet people, but a "wall" is really dumb. You know how to counter a wall? A ladder. I think we should deport illegal immigrants who engage in gang activity, etc. as well (though Trump's idea that he can somehow tell who these people are super easily is pretty naive). Frankly that's all pretty much in line with Obama's beliefs too. We diverge when Trump wants to deport millions of people which is a logistical nightmare, and the collateral damage of innocent lives being thrown into disarray would be massive.

Why do you care what Hollywood celebrities tell you to do? Only an idiot would base their vote on a Hollywood celebrity's opinion. Celebrities are entitled to free speech though, and if they want to talk about it, would you propose restricting what they can say? I'm sure outlets report it because people read it - would you propose restricting the ability of outlets to report it?

If your whole entire point is that the right doesn't have one unified voice, then we don't have anything to argue about. I agree. And neither does the left.

Who speaks for me? Me. I have my own thoughts and opinions, and you can't regurgitate arguments against other people for an argument against me. And where should you go to listen to the left's point of view? You shouldn't. You should listen to unbiased new sources and make your own judgments, and then when determining who to vote for, find the candidate who most aligns with those judgments, and you think is fit for the office they're seeking.

This is actually a huge problem. People listening to "news" coming pre-filtered by Breitbart or Huffington Post or Fox News never have to make actual personal assessments, and instead get stuck in an echo chamber where they don't learn anything but how to have a sense of righteous indignation. Facts are not partisan. Even worse are people who get their "news" from Tweets and FB posts. Guess who does that? https://youtu.be/ioLjp-G2bY8?t=4m6s

But sure, I'll give you an example of a right-wing wack-job who has way too much influence. Steve Bannon, who was just appointed to be Donald Trump's chief strategist. That's real. That's not "I don't want to hear from the crazy person telling me what to do", that's "the crazy person is telling the PRESIDENT what to do, and he's listening".

The divide here seems to be that you think the big issue is what people with no real governmental power say to you. To me, the issue is what the person in charge of the free world says and does. Incidentally, last week's vote was for the latter, not the former.

I voted for Hillary, even though she ran a shitty campaign. I voted for Stein in 2012, but even though I agree with most of her positions, I don't think she really knows what the hell she is doing. I wish Sanders ran - I don't agree with him on everything (guns come to mind) but it was a pretty close match, and he was honest and genuine. I think Hillary is dishonest, (though probably 1/10th as dishonest as Trump) but she's smart, experienced, cunning, stands for positions I tend to agree with, and I think at the end of the day wants what's best for America. I don't think Trump is any of those things. I think he has the potential to be catastrophic. I'm sure you disagree, but it seems pointless to talk about Hillary - the election is over, she is no longer relevant. I'd rather talk about our president elect, because that's who we're stuck with for the next 4 years.

I'm having this conversation mainly because after the election, I could not fathom any reason how anybody could vote for Trump, and I just wanted to understand. We all have to live together, and condescending to each other doesn't help anybody, so I was hoping to create a dialogue. I still disagree wholeheartedly, but at least I understand what motivated you, even if I don't think it makes any sense as an election issue. I have been very deliberate in trying to respect you, keep my language from being vitriolic, and let you make your points. I'm honestly not trying to be righteous.

But no, I'm not going to go line-by-line with you, I'm not going to address anecdotal evidence, and I'm not going to engage with your "us vs them" bullshit.

I'd be curious to hear your responses to SynthR's points, particularly climate change. I'm trying to not get myself worked up which is why my shitting on Trump has been limited, but SynthR did a pretty good job articulating some of the issues.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by †Adonael on 11/15/16 at 11:54:49
"I would grab a hold of his dick and ride his face all day long."

Quoted from a woman at work. Does it matter? no shes not running for president and as men we are not crybabies?

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by NightShade on 11/15/16 at 17:52:31

†Adonael wrote on 11/15/16 at 11:54:49:
"I would grab a hold of his dick and ride his face all day long."

Quoted from a woman at work. Does it matter? no shes not running for president and as men we are not crybabies?


That doesn't sound like she's referring to having committed sexual assault, which is what Trump did. I don't see the parallel.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by †Adonael on 11/16/16 at 00:57:20
Would be sextual assault and is suggesting such, but isn't consider as such because she has a vagina. Funny what beef curtains do for perception

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Thumpy on 11/16/16 at 03:42:06
I wanna see Democrats filibuster everything Trump tries to pass, block all supreme court nominees, and shut down the government.

Do everything to them like they did to Obama, fight fire with fire, but they won't cause there pussies.

Always got to do the right thing and set a good example, its noble but I'm fucking tired of it, you got to fight back.

And if they don't fight back it makes me wonder where their loyalty really is.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Thrillho on 11/16/16 at 11:28:57
My favorite flip flop defense is Hilary saying she changes her mind based on learning new information. What a foolish defense. If you accept that then it applies equally well to her opponents. Hell I'd be able to accept that if there were proof she was legitimately trying to help the country.

She was previously against gay marriage. What new thing did she learn about homosexuals that changed her mind on that? Oh the penis goes in the butthole? That changes everything! I thought it was baby murder!

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by SynthR on 11/16/16 at 13:38:19
That same wall Canada is getting is going to keep Trump supporters out, so I'm all for that.

Look at that First Lady you guys are getting. What a classy lady. Maybe she can pose for Playboy while she's in office.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 11/16/16 at 18:09:19
"I like to get my news from the Washington Post, New York Times, and NPR. I feel like these are about as unbiased as you're going to get, and they employ actual journalists. I'll read editorials from elsewhere, but take them all with a huge grain of salt."

Then we agree. I am a bit skeptical of anything that isn't "Right" leaning up front these days though, especially in today's cultural climate simply because the liberal agenda is strong, even when its the most subtle, but ties to the Left can never be severed and I DO actively engage with traditional liberal outlets of entertainment and news if for no other reason than out of habit.

"All politicians flip flop, but not even close to Trump. What he does isn't "flip flopping", it's strategic deception. He'll tell one group of people one thing, and another group something different, because he doesn't want to tell anybody anything they don't want to hear. These things are not comparable."

Again, I'm not going to defend Trump on anything he's "said" or done at this point because none of that has taken place after taking oath. I don't really like Trump, I just appreciate what he stood for overall which is fuck the machine. Until he takes office and starts actually doing things its all just conjecture and he said she said bullshit.

"You just said yourself that you didn't give "the other side" much of a chance before - that sounds like an uneducated liberal to me. You have to educate yourself about both sides to be informed. Really, it sounds like you were always conservative, but you didn't realize it until you looked into what the parties actually stand for."

No, no, no. Yes, there was a time during my 20's where sex, drugs, rock n roll and video games were more important than anything else and I wasn't really paying the most attention but around the age of 18 I decided, after growing up in a southern baptist christian, traditional Republican home, that those beliefs didn't jive with my own. Call it typical teenage angst or rebelliousness but I think most people go through that. 

After that, I was a liberal/atheist who payed attention to politics here and there, though especially after 9/11 which is when I assume most people started paying a bit more attention as well. Got a bit lazy between 2003-2005 but started caring more around Obama era.

At this point I'd say I'm more agnostic when it comes to religion--believe what you want, what gives you strength to get through life--as dismissing the idea of God and religion altogether is being as ignorant as those who refuse the idea that God doesn't exist.

Alongside that, I've just continued to grow as a person, have new life experiences that gave me different perspectives, and as I do all that and take in new information my ideas change and I evolve. That's just being a human being. Not to mention you have a different view of everything once you stop living with your parents, pay taxes, bills, help run a business or two and take on more adult responsibilities. When the government and politics start actually affecting your life on a day to day basis you start paying more attention.

So, to the original point, I don't think I'm actually conservative overall though I do believe in smaller government, I'm mostly against affirmative action, and I tend to agree more with conservative economic views but I do lean more left or right depending on the issues.

I just think there are a lot of people making a lot more sense and dealing in facts on the right these days that aligns with my current views. I'm still not religious, I'm pro-choice (though its hard to argue against pro-life if I'm being honest but we can get into that if need be), but what's most important to me is freedom of speech, and individual liberties and the only people trying to stifle those are people on the Left.

"you hate being labeled as a racist/xenophobe/sexist just because some fellow conservatives are, yet you perceive liberals, black people, feminists, etc. as homogeneous hive-minds. All liberals are not "my people" just as (I hope) all conservatives aren't "your people".

You still fail to understand my point about all this though which is what the bullshit feminists, SJWs, and radical liberals are saying goes straight to the top. Just this year we had president Obama addressing the nation telling them that the wage gap exists and that all women are being paid 77 cents to the dollar of all males. Meanwhile, no facts are being used to support this narrative and no solutions are being offered up to explain how we can help this change. Why? Because the Left doesn't deal in facts any more just "feelings". All the Left does now is try and find oppression wherever it can, whether it actually exists or not, tells you its affecting your lives, and then gets to pretend to be the most righteous.

This in turn just reaffirms to all the weak minded babies on the Left that their feelings are justified and that they are victims of strawmen and the reason they aren't doing as well as they should in life is because white men or some shadowy figure behind the scenes is holding them down instead of teaching people how to better their own individual lives and how to overcome hardships and disagreements, differences of opinions, religious beliefs, or points of view.

Most colleges are now full of righteous liberal professors, administrators, and deans all coddling our youth, giving them safe spaces, telling students to take time off school to "morn our country" while telling anyone who has a different opinion to fuck off, get in line, or find a new school or job thus shutting down all free speech and debate which students and young people SHOULD be learning in college thus giving these people an unrealistic and unhealthy view of the world. This is institutionalized fascism.

"But today is your lucky day, because I'm not going to argue with your wage gap point. There's a lot of nuance there that the "77%" statistic doesn't account for (though that's not to say a problem does not still exist).

Women have only been holding jobs or positions of power traditionally held by men for roughly what? A 100 years or so compared to thousands for men? There are a lot of underlying biological and psychological factors at play here that maybe unconsciously affect that small bit of the wage gap difference. This will just take time to iron out I think. We can discuss it more if you'd like or we can move on to other things.

"but a "wall" is really dumb. "

Yeah, its dumb, and so is anyone that thinks he's going to build a wall (not saying you are).

"We diverge when Trump wants to deport millions of people which is a logistical nightmare, and the collateral damage of innocent lives being thrown into disarray would be massive."

People who believe these death squads are coming around to round up illegal immigrants are dumb as well. He isn't actually going to do any of that, and I honestly think, even if he DID want to--which I don't think he does--the logistics of making it happen would be insane.

"Why do you care what Hollywood celebrities tell you to do? Only an idiot would base their vote on a Hollywood celebrity's opinion. Celebrities are entitled to free speech though, and if they want to talk about it, would you propose restricting what they can say?"

Well we live in a culture of celebrity worship. And we did just elect a reality tv show star as President. You don't need any more proof than that. The problem is these celebrities are stupid and that people actually listen to them and look to them as examples of how to live their lives and how to act, behave, and what to believe.

When you have morons like Ema Watson going before the United Nations to talk about how oppressed women are in the US and across all college campuses and how the wage gap is a real issue affecting all women and no one calls them on their bullshit, then you just create yet another generation of retards who grew up watching Harry Potter and glorifying people like her, thinking that because shes in those moving picture shows that shes a smarter, better person and then these young women go on to these now liberally controlled colleges where their professor do nothing but champion these false narratives and ideas and shut down anyone that might oppose them, then all you're doing is churning out more and more uninformed liberal cunts and SJW's into society.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C4c7VR8X7I

People on the Right are trying to offer up fair facts and at least trying to have a dialogue but we are no longer allowed to speak and all the liberals have to do to shut us down is call us sexist, misogynist, racists, etc, and then move on.

"Who speaks for me? Me."

Well I hate to tell you that a rational Left-leaning view point like yours doesn't matter now in the grand scheme of things and you should be concerned that the only liberal mindsets represented in America today are the radical ones. I'm sorry that you don't see this as an issue, but I do. I'm not saying its your personal responsibility to control an entire group of people's actions and words, but the root cause of the problem is that NO ONE is doing that AT ALL and now its gotten out of hand.


Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 11/16/16 at 18:09:27
"The divide here seems to be that you think the big issue is what people with no real governmental power say to you. To me, the issue is what the person in charge of the free world says and does."

And I just laid out for you in this reply all the reasons why this is an unrealistic way to view the world now. If you say only the people at the top matter then, ok, Obama is preaching the wage gap myth and racism is the worst its been in years under his administration, and while I don't think that's his fault necessarily, he did very little to help the situation. On the other hand celebrities, news reporters, and social media control the overall message in this country, not the President or politicians even if they do make laws that govern our country.

"But sure, I'll give you an example of a right-wing wack-job who has way too much influence. Steve Bannon, who was just appointed to be Donald Trump's chief strategist. That's real. That's not "I don't want to hear from the crazy person telling me what to do", that's "the crazy person is telling the PRESIDENT what to do, and he's listening"."

Bannon is potentially harmful, I'll give you that. His ties to the Alt-Right, whether he actually cares or agrees with those types, could be problematic. I'm still reading up on his journey to the top as we speak so I don't have all the facts, but until Trump and his cabinet take over, all we can really do is speculate.

"I'd be curious to hear your responses to SynthR's points, particularly climate change. I'm trying to not get myself worked up which is why my shitting on Trump has been limited, but SynthR did a pretty good job articulating some of the issues."

Well again, I'm not here to defend Trump. He's a real piece of work and I agree with most of people's complaints about him. I didn't vote for Trump because I believed in him, but more what he stood for; fuck political correctness--though he didn't run on that platform, his actions and words certainly spoke volumes--, fuck government and media corruption, fuck Hillary, and fuck the DNC.

And also, the salty tears raining down as I get to watch all the liberal babies in this country, most of whom didn't actually vote, on the Left as they cry and protest is enough to keep me hydrated for at least a year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grD_IINiH9c&feature=share

You can say that's a dumb reason to vote all you want, I really don't care, because these are the reasons many people voted Trump and again, the liberal bullshit in this country is to blame for that.

I don't mean to dismiss SynthR's arguments or concerns--I actually agree with him on most of it--but arguing over or defending any of these shitty candidates we had this election isn't going to change anything now.

As for climate change I would say that that is probably my blind spot at the moment and that I don't have a nuanced opinion about it because most of the stuff I've been researching and focusing on is the bullshit being spewed by retarded SJWs and climate change isn't one of those.

I do think global warming is a thing. It's clear its happening. It doesn't really take a genius to even recognize the changes in their own surroundings, especially if you've lived in one place for most of your life, but I'm not quite sure yet what I think are the major causes and what we should do to fix it. This is an area I plan on studying more later so if you have anything you'd like me to read or watch throw it up.




Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by NightShade on 11/16/16 at 18:44:20
If you don't want to argue about the candidates, and you don't want to argue about the policies or attitudes Trump champions because you don't believe anything he said, then what are we debating? If the only thing you care about is PC culture, then we're at an impasse here, because you aren't arguing with my views, you're arguing with this amorphic concept of the "left" to which you can attribute any stupid views you want in order to feel validated. I could easily do the same with the "right" but that's just so unproductive. I'm debating with - how poetic - a wall.

Even if you think that celebrities and YouTube channels and the "liberal media" are this huge problem, what difference do you think will exist under a Trump administration vs a Clinton one? Trump doesn't control who speaks at the UN, and he damn sure isn't going to make "liberal celebrities" stop saying liberal things, or the "liberal media" stop speaking truth to power - unless you think he should do so forcefully by limiting free speech.

We can pick this up again if you want after Trump actually starts enacting policy.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 11/16/16 at 19:22:55
"If you don't want to argue about the candidates,"

But you also said this:

"but it seems pointless to talk about Hillary - the election is over, she is no longer relevant."

Which to me means that we are only going to talk about Trump now? Ok, makes sense I guess, but again, you are asking me to defend him when I don't want to. If you want to throw up specific things Trump has said and want me to tell you how I feel about them, then ok I guess, but I think you'll find that I mostly just agree with everyone, thus wasting time.

Should we talk about the pussy grabbing thing? Seems to be what everyone wants to talk about? What else then? Do you want me to go line by line through SynthR's response. I will.

"and you don't want to argue about the policies"

We have been. We've been talking about things like the wage gap and immigration. What else do you want to talk about? Sorry that I was unprepared on climate change.

"If the only thing you care about is PC culture, then we're at an impasse here"

I said from the outset that I'm very passionate about PC culture, fighting SJWs, and other radicals and that I wanted to get a lot of that out on the table to explain why I voted from Trump and where I stand on ALL issues big and small. I'm just trying to put it all out on the table so everyone can understand my mindset.

If you don't want to discuss these things either as you seem to believe they aren't an issue in our culture--and I would argue that maybe culture is sometimes more important than actual politics--then that's your prerogative. I'm just putting that stuff out there in parallel with other topics in case anyone wants to debate me on those as well, because after all, there are more people posting in this thread than just you and I.

And to be honest you aren't offering much on your end as far as policies and general beliefs on particular issues for me to debate you on. You asked me to defend climate change but didn't tell me where you stand. You asked me to defend immigration but didn't really tell me where you stand overall other than let's not let people in but the ones who are here should be left alone so I'm left trying to understand where to go with that discussion.

"you're arguing with this amorphic concept of the "left" to which you can attribute any stupid views you want in order to feel validated."

Yes, I'm cherry picking very specific views and radical beliefs that I feel are important and that I'm passionate about and that I feel are dictating our nation to talk about and tear down, not because I need validation, but because they are things affecting the world around us and our culture. Lots of people are talking about these issues so just because they aren't important to you doesn't mean they aren't worth discussing.

"Even if you think that celebrities and YouTube channels and the "liberal media" are this huge problem, what difference do you think will exist under a Trump administration vs a Clinton one?"

Well for starters that at least our voice might be heard now. It sure was when we elected Trump. Having Republican control of the White House and all branches of government means we now have to be listened to instead of just ignored.

"Trump doesn't control who speaks at the UN, and he damn sure isn't going to make "liberal celebrities" stop saying liberal things, or the "liberal media" stop speaking truth to power - unless you think he should do so forcefully by limiting free speech."

But he WAS speaking out against the biased Liberal media all throughout his campaign, which is more than anyone else was doing to expose these talking heads and their bullshit.

I'm not trying to silence or stop free speech, nor do I want anyone else to, I'm fighting FOR IT!

I don't have a problem with celebrities saying anything they want but can we at least have someone with a different opinion refute them or call them out? Because I'm not seeing where that's possible now.

No one side should control everything, but Liberals do and now they need to to be prepared for the opposition, that's all I'm saying. And if the Right becomes too radical and Trump starts taking control of anything I think is unfair, then I switch sides or go fight for those that are being oppressed and suppressed as well.

Its not about controlling free speech but controlling false narratives, false information, and lies.


Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 11/16/16 at 21:17:30
Disclaimer: at the outset I didn't intend to inject so much comedy into my reply, but as I kept going hamming it up a bit just became to fun, so sorry for not being 100% serious.

Disclaimer: Moving forward: even when addressing specific lines from a persons own replies does not mean I am attacking you, blaming you, or lumping you in to a particular crowd or side, only sometimes using them to springboard general problems with the Left at large, as I, and many others, though not everyone on my side, see it.



"For whatever reason the media loves the circus and stoked the fire that created Trumpzilla."

Yes. Exactly what happened. And, even though I know you all are tired of hearing it, the biased liberal media is what caused so many people to vote for Trump because he was anti-media, anti-establishment, and anti-PC police brigade.

"Neither candidate was worthy of presidency and this should never have happened."

Yes. But this is what happens when politics and policies and the real issues are pushed aside to play who is the bigger sex offender and rapist, the narratives that the liberal media and SJWs everywhere love to latch on to. Let's play which side has more victims. And Donald played this media game better than anyone, so hate him all you want, but he manipulated the media and systems in place to his advantage.

"They should have scrapped everything and started over to find better candidates."

Would never happen. Too many things in play at any given time and the be honest the Left wanted Hillary to win at all costs, and fucking candidates like Sanders on their own side to make this happen. They even wanted Trump to run against because it seemed like such a shoe in. When lobbyists and corporations and outside influences control the government there can be no reset button.

"Trump can't even speak properly - he's a complete douche."

Pretty much, but at least he was funny. Hes the kind of asshole I can get behind in this politically correct climate we live in where we all have to walk on egg shells for fear of our jobs and livelyhood being taken away by someone's tears.

Call Rosie O'Donnell fat, she is, its fucking funny.

Say "who would vote for that face", who cares, its funny.

Tell Mexico you're going to build a wall and make them pay for it, who cares, its fucking hilarious.

Sure, go ahead and dog pile me and tell me we should want better from our leaders and we should strive to be better as a country, its a fair and rational points of view I guess, but if people didn't like this sort of talk then why did they elect him president? This is America, we don't like to be told what to do and what to say, so fuck you, you get Trump.

"In fact, he says a lot of nothing and mixes in hateful speech to bully the opposition."

Yeah, he's basically almost always saying nothing, but people are hateful and spiteful by nature. I'm a grumpy old man who hates everything and these babies on the Left could use some good old fashioned bullying, so fuck you, enjoy Trump, the people have spoken. Murica!

"If you hear a racist or sexiest remark, don't your ears perk up? "

Yeah, I'm like "damn this nigga crazy, lol". Wish I could say those things when joking with my coworkers. Glad someone can say them.

"You know what you just heard was wrong."

Probably, but when did we outlaw free speech and comedy? Let people say whatever they want and if as a society we disagree, then those people disappear or are punished. Trump has treated the average working man--made up entirely of people from all races and walks of life--that have helped build his empire pretty badly according to a lot of things I've seen and read, but unless you can pinpoint where he actually engaged in racists acts against others, then its all just show to grab attention, maybe perk up the ears of those who are racist a bit, and guess what it worked.

All you people who want to complain about the racists things Trump has said, while also saying he isn't saying much at all, well, which is it? If we all know he isn't serious, then why take him seriously?

"What kind of leader talks like that?"

The leader of the free world, bitch.

"Trump is basically a caricature of how the world views America. He's this overbearing asshole with tons of money pointing his finger at everybody demanding change."

So you're saying hes the perfect representative of our nation. That's what I'm saying as well!

He's living proof that you can do anything or be anything in this country. He was the only one able to force Obama to show his birth certificate.

President Obama made fun of him a fews years ago at a political dinner, and then Donald just said, ok fuck face, I'm coming for your job, and then he just took it like a boss. That's who I want running this country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8TwRmX6zs4

"Change that he hasn't even bothered to articulate in detail and probably won't even see through himself. It's not as easy as throwing illegals out and shutting down trade. He can't just do those things willy-nilly and people aren't going to abide quietly."

Yeah, hes an inarticulate moron, and no, its not that easy, thus why none of it is going to happen, so why can't everyone just calm down?

"He believes climate change was something created by China."

I mean, he isn't wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEbNOSNAsm0

"He's going to reverse a lot of positive things that have taken place over the last decade to ensure our world doesn't kill us off before our greed does."

Like what?

"So let's say he shit-cans things like Carbon Tax, making it cheaper for industry to produce goods because it's expensive to operate sustainably. Well, Canada is fucked in that scenario because we will move manufacturing to the States or elsewhere where it's cheaper. Canada loses jobs, nobody has money, Great Depression."

He did say he was going to bring jobs back to the US. Any time any big political changes or policies changes are made, some people are going to suffer. The thing is trying to make sure the least amount of people suffer as possible. Canada suffering barely moves the needle.

"America will have a leader that will form the backbone and create a strong platform for a massive rise in hate crime. Hate crime shouldn't exist anymore, but it does and probably always will. Every piece of shit racist, bigot, sexiest asshole is going to think their actions are justified because they identify with their country's leader. "

All conjecture. This hyperbolic way of thinking, which is indicative of modern liberal hysteria, is not a rational way to look at things. Do people actually think the KKK is now going to be riding down the streets on horseback being like "come 'ere negra, let's hang you up on that tree over there, whoooo, pew, pew, pew!" That would last like five minutes.

"What in the world? Is this real life? "

Yes, calm down libtard. The world will be ok, I promise. Should I read you a bed time story to help you sleep? (Sorry, just playing this up for comedic effect)

"You can't stop violence but Trump taking office is going to set everyone back to the 1980s."

What happened in the 80s? Honestly the 80s were pretty cool. I grew up in the 80s. It made me the great person I am today.

"What a fucking moron."

Yes, he's a moron.

"He's going about all this so wrong and he gave strength to people that shouldn't be empowered."

Yes, he gave power to those who no longer had any. The Right.

"Now, I don't want to hear about the SJW bullshit because that just leads into extremism."

I don't want to hear about them either, but they are every where. And yes it does lead to extremism. Welcome to the new America. Have a complimentary box of tissues on the way in. But no, let's just keep ignoring them and giving them platforms to cry on.

"There are casualties on both sides, a difference in opinion, and that's fine, but the violence that we've seen lately isn't dick compared to what's going to happen."

Who died on both sides? Free speech is the only casualty here my friend. And honestly, there really isn't that much violence on either side. Most of it is bullshit and unsubstantiated nonsense. But explain whats going to happen next? I want to hear your Mad Max view of the world.

"Nobody is going to stand for hate crime"

You're right, nobody stands for hate crimes.

"and there's going to be an explosion coming"

Like what, like a Nigger Nuke?

"which might be exactly what Trump wants so it fuels the Prison Industrial Complex."

Well, if we go ahead and kill all the niggers now then we won't need to send them to jail. Problem solved. Sorry, I'm just trying to play my role in these dramatic fantasy stories Lefties like to write about their version of where America is going. Now, am I going to play the skin-head, a KKK member, or Hitler himself?

"Slavery still exists, folks."

Yep, me and my boys gonna round us up some negros tomorrow and have 'em cut our grass. That'll teach them to be free!

"He surrounded himself with his entire family. All of his kids have jobs in government now."

Yeah, this seems kinda dumb, and not hopeful to those that would wish to see America not become a country lead by dynasties, like we have seen with the Bush's and the Clinton's. Still remains to be seen on what this will mean, but it seems a bit ridiculous.


Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 11/16/16 at 21:17:39
"Their views of the world are ancient and shouldn't be allowed to see the light of day. "

Now, now. Free speech and all. But who's views in particular are ancient?

"The first thing I think of is The Dark Knight Rises. Bane takes over Gotham and all of a sudden every criminal out of Arkham has power. It's complete anarchy."

Oh, oh, can I be the Scarecrow in this particular liberal fantasy America play. I think I'd make a really good Scarecrow.

"Trump is not a family man and won't ever be."

Why do you say this?

"I'll laugh if I see him handing out candy to kids or dancing around in public."

Why, because white people can't dance? RACIST!

"I've never seen anyone just walk among his people like Obama did and the love he has for his wife and kids. That's a damn good leader. Trump doesn't have it in him because he's "business first"."

I don't need some negro who didn't even have a father being a father figure for our nation, I want someone who will to tell ISIS to fuck off, get down to business and brass tacks and maybe grab a few pussies.

Random Link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tNnIZj3sk

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by †Adonael on 11/17/16 at 15:35:45
I'm gonna out right say I didn't vote, because most of the candidates didn't interest me because most of them where morons. (Clinton, Trump.) Seemed high 95% of the time. (Johnson.)  Or was too much of a dreamer and wouldn't get supported by the senate or the house (The Socialist.)

That being said, in ideals mine matched closer to Trump.

I'm not a big NRA member or supporter of guns but a national conceal to carry is a great idea in my opinion. Stricter gun laws or out right banning guns does nothing but block the honest hard worker from getting a gun, not the criminals. Everyone carries a gun, less people will act like a fucking idiot.

"But It will be like a wild west"

No, fuck you. Technology and policing are a long way compared to that time, thus making crime harder to get away with. Not saying it doesn't happen, but the common man has better morals than that  and that's a proven fact and with a concealed and carry comes classes so you won't have untrained monkeys shooting willy nilly either.

Immigration has something we've been too lax on. Instead of punishing illegals who don't follow the process of becoming citizens we just pretty much let them come in and do what ever the hell they want and accepting refugees left and right does put a high risk on national security. It's something that needs to change. I'm not saying we need to deny everyone a privilege on moving to our country, but the system is flawed and needs a overhaul.

Deporting people already here, which I don't think would OR should happen, isn't something I support or want to happen. We do need to be stricter though.

And like I always say, yes, Trump is a moron, but most of the Government is Republican so something might actually get done.

Moving business back to the US will help boost our own economy rather than feeding into China or Mexico and will also create more jobs. I don't think all corporations will fall inline and since most of the government      line their pockets with bonuses from said corporations I don't see a huge impact happening on that front, but you never know.

Annnd yes Trump is an idiot when it comes to environmental issues. He's a business man. more often than not they don't think about those kinds of things. Yeah that's a big downfall.

What I don't understand is everyone buying into the fear mongering. Most of it is people spinning shit up and saying shit that's not true.

like the whole LBGT thing. Most of that is people freaking out over nothing. President doesn't control our whole government and no one in the government is going to back peddle and take rights away.

Trump has even said he wants to protect the LBGT community so you know, whatever.

But like I've said and I'll say it again, the biggest problem isn't who is president it's the divide we created in our minds and the media poured into the sheeps mouth.

So you got the uneducated blacks and whites attacking one another and keeping that race war going.

Liberals whining and saying your a racist sexist piece of shit, when the majority of us really don't give a fuck what you are.

People spinning up bullshit to keep the fear mongering going.

"Superior Complex" women bitching because they think we're going to the 1940's again and I might slap a bitch if I have to hear another "women should get paid equal." fucking rant again. Any women I've worked with got paid the same OR MORE in the same position. Shut the fuck up or I might slap you and take your as back to the 40's with the beating I'm gonna give you if you tell me how your gender deserves special treatment. God dammit.

Welfare is stupid. Quit paying people to be lazy. Disability and SSI for those who REALLY need it is a good thing, don't take those away.

I think I've said all I could think of. Chance to have smart conversation.. you guys win you pulled me in.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by SynthR on 11/17/16 at 22:49:33
"All you people who want to complain about the racists things Trump has said, while also saying he isn't saying much at all, well, which is it? If we all know he isn't serious, then why take him seriously? "

You take him seriously because he's going to be the most powerful man in one of the most powerful countries. Everything he says should be scrutinized. He says horrible things to offend and doesn't follow up with anything of value. He doesn't give detailed information on the hows and whys. He insults a group of people, the crowd cheers, he's elected president.

Anyway, you've taken "peoples" complaints out of context. He discriminates pretty much everyone that bothers him on any given day. Look at the disabled reporter he made fun of. So disgraceful. You voted for this man, so on some level you believe it's OK to behave like this. It's OK to be racist, sexists, homophobic and discriminatory. I'm not going to spend the time making points because you can find posts everywhere, with sources, detailing how he's basically a piece of garbage. Reddit for example.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/4r2yxs/a_final_response_to_the_tell_me_why_trump_is/

"So you're saying hes the perfect representative of our nation."

I don't believe that truly is the face of America. That's the Hollywood version people have created.

" "come 'ere negra, let's hang you up on that tree over there, whoooo, pew, pew, pew!""

It's been happening since the election. Have you not seen it? There's frigging Youtube compilations of all the escalated racism happening. Have you seen the school kids chanting for minorities to go back to their country in their fucking school? Have you seen that shit? People don't need to be wearing bed sheets so they're easily identifiable. Remember when Obama was elected and somewhere in your country people made an Obama straw man, hung it on a tree and burned it? I remember that and it reminds me of something we haven't seen in decades. It's sad.

"Free speech is the only casualty here my friend."

Free speech has never died for the white male of society. NEVER. Everyone is up in arms and want their country back because they can't live the American dream anymore. News flash: Nobody lived the fucking American dream to begin with. It's an illusion. How can you when minimum wage is awful and affordable housing is often in the ghetto?

"Lefties like to write about their version of where America is going."

Read up on modern day slavery here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison%E2%80%93industrial_complex

You can also watch a ton of documentaries on how the "War on Drugs" has unfairly prosecuted blacks, basically fuelling the prison industry, taking away voting rights and supporting cheap labour. Honk if you love white man capitalism.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 11/18/16 at 00:30:53
I'm going to reply to some of the stuff you talked about Adonael later so don't worry.

SynthR - I'll reply more thoroughly to you after I've read and watched some more stuff. But I'll rapid fire a bit off the top of my head.

I would like to see some of those videos on youtube you are talking about. I can't seem to find any that I think are overwhelmingly credible. Not saying there aren't any, just that, SJWs and people all over the country trying to find racism on every corner by making false claims of injustice are flooding the airwaves with bullshit making it harder for the actual heinous crimes and abuse to surface and get the proper attention it deserves.

Stuff like this is why the SJWs are so harmful to our society.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/10772/there-wave-pro-trump-violence-not-so-much-aaron-bandler

I really think the whole Trump making fun of the retarded reporter was blown way out of proportion. He's been seen doing the same gestures when talking about other people as well. There was a good article about this a while back when it happened but I can't find it now. This was all I could find on short notice:

http://www.wnd.com/2016/08/proof-media-lied-about-trump-mocking-disabled-reporter/

But forgive me for my dark sense of humor when I say that as bad as some of the stuff Trump says and does might come off as really cruel, the asshole inside of me can't help but laugh at the thought that he might actually be making fun of a retarded person. When did everyone become so serious in the world?

I have watched a lot of documentaries on the War on Drugs as someone who did a lot of them in my 20s, and yes, I would say the the War on Drugs has harmed black people quite a bit. Especially during the big crack cocaine epidemic, but I would say the War on Drugs has affected tons of people of every race and walk of life, not just black people.

And I'm sorry but when black people, who make up roughly 13% of the population, and are responsible for over 50% of the crime, then at what point does it stop being the fault of their poor decisions and shitty culture, and then become the fault of white people?

"Honk if you love white man capitalism."

HONK HONK! I'm really tired of this white guilt bullshit by the way. White men created the modern world and almost everything that is great about it. Not everything, but a lot of it. Why is it racist to recognize that and feel prideful about being white now? Sorry, but I'm tired of being told to feel ashamed of being white in today's society. Blaming white people for everyone else's problems is the laziest argument ever. White people have done more than any other group to help people in need all over the world.

But since racism is all the topic and rage these days, I've been thinking a lot about it lately and I want to throw some thoughts out there about it.

Human beings are tribal by nature. Some form of racial bias is present in all people, I don't care what you are or where you come from. Columbian people hate being called Mexicans as they look down on them generally speaking. Even within asian cultures, japanese people don't like chinese people, some black people don't like light skinned black people. You can find racism every where even within similar minorities.

If someone is in a room with complete strangers and there are equal quantities of people of each race and gender, by nature, whatever race or gender you are will more than likely determine which group you gravitate towards based on those you identify with the most.

America is the melting pot of the world as they like to say. We've shoved all these people from all over the world into this one country and then asked and expected them to just get along. Well, as much as I think it does work by and large, I think by the very nature of being a human with tribal tendencies means that it will never really work 100%.

And if we recognize this as fact or truth, at least just for the sake of my argument, then on some level isn't it ok that, say, me as a white person just doesn't like or want to be around black people? If I'm not hurting them or trying to oppress them in any way, is it ok for me to feel that way?

There are jewish or christian people that simply don't want muslim people in this country because they don't stand for the same ideals and don't share common cultural beliefs. What's wrong with that? If it leads to hate crimes or people being oppressed then sure, its bad. But what if we actually just looked and what racism is at face value, try and strip away the "hatefulness" that often comes along with it--like you know, Hitler killing a bunch of Jews--and ask ourselves if its actually ok to just dislike, hate, or want to be separate from an entire race or group of people and what does that actually mean?

I really do think that there are some people out there that are probably "racist" but that just want what they think is best for their personal lives, or the communities they live in and doesn't necessarily want to harm other people, but I just really don't think or believe we will ever be able to overcome our tribal nature as human beings no matter how much we try. 

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Thrillho on 11/18/16 at 01:26:26
Guys the clear problem is white people.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by SynthR on 11/18/16 at 18:14:26
I don't have much time to respond.

"America is the melting pot of the world as they like to say."

A lot of countries are considered a "melting pot". Canada is far more diverse than the U.S is statistically, and we're not even that high on the list. I don't watch the Papua New Guinea News at 6 p.m., so I don't know what racism looks like over there, but just comparing Canada and the U.S., I'm pretty confident in saying that Canada does an amazing job at treating each other with respect and letting people be themselves (despite something as awful as the Native residential schools in the late 1800s). American history is soaked in racism and although it's been sort of learned from, it just gets repeated over and over. Racist stuff rarely, rarely, rarely happens here in Canada, albeit we're a younger country. We're not the poster child for equality, but we're doing it. So, what's America's excuse?

You, as a person, can do as you please as long as you're not imposing your will on someone else. That's a pretty general rule to how life actually works. Unfortunately, an individual can't stop a mob, whether it's the KKK, Mafia or Black Panthers (let's not look into their sordid history of being murdered by the government countless times). An individual will also see the mob as empowerment and will tag along in whatever activity it is feeling like they're anonymous.

I'm not personally attacking you and saying you're racist. You might be and sometimes you sound like it, but unless you're lynching people or yelling at people as you walk down the street, your issues are your problem to deal with privately. Just keep the peace or remove yourself from the situation. Yes, people band together with other like-minded individuals. That has always happened. Racism happens within a singular race too like you've said. It becomes a problem when violence or confrontation is involved. Segregation isn't necessary and taking away someone's power is deplorable.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Thumpy on 11/19/16 at 00:14:22
From what I have observed over the years I do admit that Canada (in my view) is more progressive than the USA.

With Canada I also include Australia, New Zealand, most North Western European nations.

In the world I still do consider the USA in the upper half however I'm concerned about where we are going, are we getting better, the same, or even worse.

I'm starting to believe that my country (the USA) is moving backwards not just as a nation of tolerance, but many other aspects as well like infrastructure, equality, well being, and many other important issues on so many levels.

When so many nations are progressing we seem to be regressing on so many levels.

The USA was a leader in the world, pride turns to shame, so sad.


Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 11/19/16 at 04:57:42
Ugh, I wish I had time to respond to everything I want to.

"So, what's America's excuse?"

Deep rooted racism that goes all the way back to the beginning.

According to a quick google search I just did, black people make up around 3% of Canada's population versus the 13% here. I'd have to guess that overall you guys probably have less minorities in general compared to the U.S. or at least that's what I've been lead to believe by people like you and Roadie when I've asked about it.

There also isn't a huge underlying hatred between black people and white people in Canada like there is in the U.S. because you guys didn't have slavery and I don't know how different black people in Canada are culturally compared to black people in the U.S. but I imagine that that is different as well.

Here, black people account for a majority of the crime, some still think they are owed some kind of reparations from slavery, I truly believe a lot of them are taught from a young age to hate cops, be weary of white people, and a lot tend to live off the government through wellfare and other handouts. All these things are not true of all black people, but a sizeable majority.

Then you have groups or politicians or liberals or whoever always telling black people that they are being oppressed and treated unfairly all the time and so the myths about white oppression and how they can't have anything in this country because of the color of their skin keeps them from ever really doing much to help themselves.

Yes, some of these things are broad generalizations as I don't have time to get into all the nuances of facts and statistics versus just purely what I've observed myself in my 35 years on this planet living among higher rates of black people than I think you or most people have, though I obviously don't know.

Yes, white people have done some fucked up shit to black people even as recent as the last fifty years, but no matter how hard we try to correct that those old wounds just won't close and I could see how maybe, just maybe, there are some people, of all walks of life in the U.S. that don't really think this is working any more or will ever work. And I bet that if you could pull aside individuals of all races and religions and get them to answer candidly on whether they would be ok with a more segregated society I guarantee you a lot more than you think would answer yes. I mean, it already happens naturally.

Then when you add on top of that all the people we just keep letting into this country at a certain point people have just had enough of forced diversity just for the sake of it.

"I'm not personally attacking you and saying you're racist. You might be and sometimes you sound like it,"

Am I racist? I don't think so, at least I try not to be, but if I wanted to I could make a pretty compelling argument for why someone might not be the biggest fan of black people.

Unrelated link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHv5K1YLGqE

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Thrillho on 11/19/16 at 07:05:18
Canada has a way higher percentage of white people than the US does. Also stricter voting laws. How the hell is Toronto more diverse than Los Angeles?

Don't get me wrong I like Canada. I think some of their national laws make more sense than ours. But it's a tiny populous stuck up north. One with stricter immigration laws. Stricter voting laws. Also a fuckton of insane government oversight.

I mean I like the concept of progressivism. But when you're to the point that you ban a man from using the internet for 2 years. Because he made a feminist upset on twitter, and said feminist wants to drag out the court hearing. You've gone way off the deep end.

Neither the USA or Canada are hellholes. The smug attitude people have of either nation being a festering shit pile is pure nationalistic egotism.

But you're only going to fool the people who already drink your koolaid when you pretend Canada is "diverse". Some faggots speak French there and you let in some migrants. Good on ya.

We have about 13 million illegal immigrants with little to no workplace experience. Want to take them in Canada? I'm sure they'd love your socialized healthcare. I mean what is 13 million people going to do to your tax rate really? They need your health care! Don't you have a heart Canada? I thought you were progressive!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsyAso3_6d4

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by †Adonael on 11/19/16 at 12:36:55

SynthR wrote on 11/18/16 at 18:14:26:
I don't have much time to respond.

Unfortunately, an individual can't stop a mob, whether it's the KKK, Mafia or Black Panthers (let's not look into their sordid history of being murdered by the government countless times). An individual will also see the mob as empowerment and will tag along in whatever activity it is feeling like they're anonymous...Segregation isn't necessary and taking away someone's power is deplorable.


They were murdered by the government because they are all criminal organizations? Are you trying to say these kinds of racist groups are OK?

What I gathered from this is people group together to feel empowered and taking away that power is bad. So the government shouldn't stop the black panthers from killing white people and the KKK for lynching black people?

I can really tell Canadian from the bad choice of wording there.

Those exact groups are the reasons why racism is such a big problem. These groups caused hate so deep and threaded in everyday society that a lot of people still carry that today.

The shit people go through today isn't what racism used to be, Lynching out in the street, a black man being dragged out to the street and having his dick chopped off for sleeping with a white woman. Black panthers going around beating the shit out of white people, burning down buildings and shooting and murdering whites for the sake of "Freedom."

That's why that hate is so instilled into our culture and a lot of us have made amends to get over that time BECAUSE its over.

The only people that really carry this issue from what I've seen are usually lower class citizens who need someone to blame.

"Imma live off welfare because whitey keeps holding me down so I can't get anywhere in life."

No. Your lazy.

"Our country is so fucked up because of all of these N***ers running around."

No. Our country is fucked up because of our values as a culture, corruption and a multitude of other reasons.


Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by SynthR on 11/19/16 at 13:26:26
"According to a quick google search I just did, black people make up around 3% of Canada's population versus the 13% here. I'd have to guess that overall you guys probably have less minorities in general compared to the U.S. or at least that's what I've been lead to believe by people like you and Roadie when I've asked about it. "

63 percent of America is white
76.7 percent of Canada is white

To me, that's not as huge a difference as it seems for the sizes of our country's populations. The 14 point difference between our counties is basically your black population, which was caused by slavery. You guys also have significantly more Hispanics too. America has a population that's about nine times larger than Canada, so I would assume with a significantly larger population you would have larger populations of specific races. I don't know where I'm going with this, but I've always viewed the United States as the king of segregation where people willingly and unwillingly form massive pocket communities and stay within them - no one else is allowed in or you're beaten to death. That sort of racism between everyone leads into...

"but no matter how hard we try to correct that those old wounds just won't close"

That's true. People seem to really hold onto the hate, but I think it's for the reasons you've said. People are raised with that hate in them and it's probably because of the community segregation. If black kids aren't socializing with whites and Hispanics, it's going to breed an "us versus them" mentality. That same shit happens in Canada with the Natives to a lesser extent. It's the same thing everywhere and isn't race specific though. The One Percent, Anonymous, LGBTQ community, Feminists, etc. You have people who go to bat and pull people in to form these groups that want change but sometimes give birth to extremists who ruin it all. There's always going to be turmoil between people, but again, Canada doesn't see it as often as America does.

The Greater Toronto Area (GTA) has cities with dense, race specific populations, but outside of that, you will see a mix of everyone living together on the same street unless it's farm country. I don't know the exact reason why Canada seems to be more inclusive. I have no clue, but again, we're doing it. We don't have all this police brutality going on either, which doesn't help you guys a single bit. If you can't trust the establishment, you're pretty fucked. Also, the sensationalism coming from the media is the fuel needed to keep you guys down. It's this perfect mix of elements that keeps the machine locked into madness.

...anyway, Trump sucks. Another Depression period is coming. I'm right. I'm left. Peace out.

"when you pretend Canada is "diverse". Some faggots speak French there and you let in some migrants. Good on ya."

Most diverse countries in the world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level

Canada #60
United States #85


"How the hell is Toronto more diverse than Los Angeles?"

1. Dubai 83.00%
2. Toronto     44.90%
3. Hong Kong   38.00%
4. Miami 36.50%
5. Los Angeles 34.70%
6. Riyadh      34.00%
7. Sydney      31.20%
8. San Francisco     29.50%
9. Merbourne   28.50%
10. New York    27.90%

"We have about 13 million illegal immigrants with little to no workplace experience. "

We have the same problems you guys do, but we have strict laws that prevent people from coming in and leeching. Lots of kids come to Canada and try to bring their parents over for the free health care. Our government makes sure that's not abused. It's not perfect though. We took in 25,000 Syrians this year who were escaping their country. I'm all for it, but it will have a slight impact on our country. It's just something we can all deal with to help those in need.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by SynthR on 11/19/16 at 13:35:39
"They were murdered by the government because they are all criminal organizations? "

Sorry, my thing about the government murdering people was solely about the Black Panthers, not the other groups I was referring to. I should have made that more clear. The ranks of the Black Panthers wasn't solely black either. There was also a White Panther party.

Also, there's no evidence that the Black Panthers "murdered" anyone. Their whole platform was peaceful protest. Check out the FBI cover ups and how they took down the Black Panthers with staged shoot outs.

The point I was trying to make was that despite how one person views the world, whether you're racist or not, if people band together, that individual will be targeted and trampled if they don't follow suit. It's that with us or against us mentality.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Thrillho on 11/19/16 at 15:23:55
One thing a lot of people are sick of is that sins of the father bullshit.

They try and take everything bad that has ever happened and blame it on people who weren't even around to have a choice in any of it. That shit isn't winning people over like it used to.

Ignoring the past is foolish. But bashing people over the head with it is insane. People just don't give a shit about it anymore. Because they know no matter what they do. It'll never be enough.

So why even try to appeal to people who view you as scum and think revenge is equality?

"We have the same problems you guys do, but we have strict laws that prevent people from coming in and leeching. Lots of kids come to Canada and try to bring their parents over for the free health care. Our government makes sure that's not abused. It's not perfect though. We took in 25,000 Syrians this year who were escaping their country. I'm all for it, but it will have a slight impact on our country. It's just something we can all deal with to help those in need. "

25,000 people is barely the population of a small town. You selectively pick and choose who you want to migrate. Yet when your neighbor does it all of a sudden that is racist.

I'm surprised how diverse Tornoto is. Though that number smacks in the face of your argument of the 10% lead in minorities in America not being that big of a stretch. Both cities still fall behind Miami. But those are filthy Cubans and don't count.

Your country is very selective on who migrates. You seem to only take in those who serve your nations interests. The 25,000 Syran's are a drop in the bucket. Also most of your minorities are Asian who are generally better educated.

Perhaps we should do the same as Canada. Boot out the illegals and take in a bunch of well educated people who help our society.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 11/19/16 at 15:24:22
Again, I'll reply with more later but this guy is basically explaining a lot of what I've been saying when it comes to racism in America...and it probably sounds less racist coming from a black guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVlVYL9qKgY

Title: Who's a better clown? Trump or Sweet tooth?
Post by Kemmler on 11/19/16 at 15:28:17
Keep it up people! Watching American politics from across the ocean is hilarious! We Europeans are on the edge of our seats, waiting to see what that big clown is going to do now that he's actually made it into the oval office. ;D LOL

Title: Re: Who's a better clown? Trump or Sweet tooth?
Post by Thrillho on 11/19/16 at 15:41:32

Kemmler wrote on 11/19/16 at 15:28:17:
Keep it up people! Watching American politics from across the ocean is hilarious! We Europeans are on the edge of our seats, waiting to see what that big clown is going to do now that he's actually made it into the oval office. ;D LOL


Even with a egomaniacal Cheeto as president. I feel safer here than I would in Belgium, France, or Germany.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Magnum on 11/19/16 at 15:59:16
Just a quickie.

I was delivering 8 boxes to a beauty store right in the hood at around 6pm at night. Look it up on Google earth.

1713 Pennsylvania Ave, Baltimore, MD 21217

"Look at white boi in that truck yo"
"Yo cracker! What you got?
"Fucking honkie yo! What's up yo?"

Don't think for one second that isn't a learned behavior as all those guys were at least in thier late 20's early 30's. And don't think for one second I had to be wary for my life. I almost wanted to retort with "I'm actually a spic you fucking niggers" But Baltimore riots phase #2 would've ensued.

What's funny is growing up Italian, you wanna see racism? Wow you don't know. Even against other different regions of Italian for fucks sake. Since I "look" white, I get "your not a real Hispanic because your white."

Fuck me for being a fucking human being. Like I had a fucking choice what Vagina I popped out of. Should've selected a privileged, extremely wealthy family.   

Racism is a learned behavior and I don't care what you are, you learn it it's your way of life.   


Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Thrillho on 11/19/16 at 16:18:28

Magnum wrote on 11/19/16 at 15:59:16:
Just a quickie.

I was delivering 8 boxes to a beauty store right in the hood at around 6pm at night. Look it up on Google earth.

1713 Pennsylvania Ave, Baltimore, MD 21217

"Look at white boi in that truck yo"
"Yo cracker! What you got?
"Fucking honkie yo! What's up yo?"

Don't think for one second that isn't a learned behavior as all those guys were at least in thier late 20's early 30's. And don't think for one second I had to be wary for my life. I almost wanted to retort with "I'm actually a spic you fucking niggers" But Baltimore riots phase #2 would've ensued.

What's funny is growing up Italian, you wanna see racism? Wow you don't know. Even against other different regions of Italian for fucks sake. Since I "look" white, I get "your not a real Hispanic because your white."

Fuck me for being a fucking human being. Like I had a fucking choice what Vagina I popped out of. Should've selected a privileged, extremely wealthy family.   

Racism is a learned behavior and I don't care what you are, you learn it it's your way of life.   


Now magnum don't be racist. This is just what you owe for all the slavery that you benefit from. Those young men would be perfect functional members of society if it weren't for your grandfather. Frankly I'm offended you didn't toss them the keys to your truck. It really is the least you could do.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by †Adonael on 11/20/16 at 11:18:10

SynthR wrote on 11/19/16 at 13:35:39:
"They were murdered by the government because they are all criminal organizations? "

Sorry, my thing about the government murdering people was solely about the Black Panthers, not the other groups I was referring to. I should have made that more clear. The ranks of the Black Panthers wasn't solely black either. There was also a White Panther party.

Also, there's no evidence that the Black Panthers "murdered" anyone. Their whole platform was peaceful protest. Check out the FBI cover ups and how they took down the Black Panthers with staged shoot outs.

The point I was trying to make was that despite how one person views the world, whether you're racist or not, if people band together, that individual will be targeted and trampled if they don't follow suit. It's that with us or against us mentality.


Yeah, your right. Some of my history with the Actual black panther party is off and I apologize for that. Most of the violent people were just associated and not actual members of said party.



XIZOR wrote on 11/19/16 at 15:24:22:
Again, I'll reply with more later but this guy is basically explaining a lot of what I've been saying when it comes to racism in America...and it probably sounds less racist coming from a black guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVlVYL9qKgY


Yes. Buy this man a beer.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Magnum on 11/20/16 at 14:22:53
Who's driving this fucking car? It's all over the place. I took it for a spin with a quick trip. Lucky I got back. I apologize.

The main thing like I said before is, people are scared about Trump being president, and if Hilary won then the other side would be scared. If one or the other made it in either way, would it have mattered? Of course we know now but before the decision was made, you could see it.

We're all fucking scared really. The only thing we can do is go about or daily lives because we have to. Got to go to work. We did our part as citizens but the system is so broken it has us arguing over everything. What now? Wait 4 years again right?   

My father in law passed away 3 weeks ago and back in the spring he asked me where do I think this country will be in 50 years? Crazy how it really stuck with me because of my answer.

It won't be. We will be lucky to survive the next 8 if it's possible. I didn't like it at the time but, in high school I had to read a book of all things and make a report about it. Brave New World by Alduos Huxley published back in the 30's.

Scary huh? I also remember asking him about the Red Scare since he was in his 20's at the time. That if I went back in time and told his younger self that a Communist country would be our financial owners? He wouldn't have believed me and probably would've thought I was one of them. Tell him his steel mill he was working at would be bought out by the very Japanese this country fought and nuked because they now make it cheaper? Then plow it to the ground to make a more "commercial" area. Or the Vietnam vets who now buy fucking shoes from the same country that killed their brothers?

America. Fuck yea.      

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 11/21/16 at 07:35:40
"I'm not a big NRA member or supporter of guns but a national conceal to carry is a great idea in my opinion. Stricter gun laws or out right banning guns does nothing but block the honest hard worker from getting a gun, not the criminals. Everyone carries a gun, less people will act like a fucking idiot."

I've never been a gun lover myself. Don't own any, don't fuck with them, so my attitude has always been that I don't know what the big deal is with guns in this country and I've often been a big supporter of just getting rid of them by and large, but that's just a stupid and unrealistic stance to take and the more I learn and talk to people and want to reasonably uphold the constitution the more I see things a bit differently.

As you've said banning guns or even making them harder to obtain will do very little in the long run and banning certain types of guns just means gun manufactures just go back to the drawing board to recreate a gun type, call it something different, and sell it all the same.

Just like the Liberal media only tells their side of the story, you only hear about gun violence when its bad--and yes, a lot of fucked up shit happens in this country because of guns--but you never hear of the hero stories where citizens with guns helped save lives.

I don't really know what the solution is for guns, but I know its not worth trying to make all these drastic changes over. We have more guns than people in this country and that's probably never gonna change.

"It's been happening since the election. Have you not seen it? There's frigging Youtube compilations of all the escalated racism happening. Have you seen the school kids chanting for minorities to go back to their country in their fucking school? Have you seen that shit? People don't need to be wearing bed sheets so they're easily identifiable."

I've seen a few isolated incidents and a lot of unsubstantiated claims about open acts of racism and violence since the election but honestly most of it appears to be coming from the Left. I just spent a half hour looking for more reports or videos but I'm just not finding them and as I said before even if there was even one person who had been physically abused by racists people in any way it would have been national news that we would still be hearing about because that's what the media loves to focus on. If anything, what's out there is a bunch of nonsense from high school kids or trolls, but this idea that all the racists are coming out of the woodwork to take America by storm is the type of unrealistic thinking that has caused a lot of people on the other side to become out of touch with reality.

If ever there was going to be a huge race war in this country it would have been during the Black Lives Matter bullshit, something Obama or anyone on the Left did anything to stop or quell the concerns of people on all sides of it. Meanwhile, black people had open season to be racist for most of the year, but its always been ok for black people to be racist. But none of what I just said fits the narrative of the Liberal agenda so its not a problem.

"Free speech has never died for the white male of society. NEVER."

Its not about white man free speech, its about free speech for everyone. It's probably not something you are seeing in your day to day life yet so you don't think its a problem, but I can post a link a day showing you where this is happening all over the US and even in Canada to if you'd like and give you some stuff to read and watch as to why I'm so adamant about this topic because I understand that it seems like I'm being a bit extreme when I've already felt the effects of it myself and now that I'm aware of it I'm seeing it everywhere I look.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/7864/breaking-depaul-university-bans-shapiro-john-minster

"How can you when minimum wage is awful and affordable housing is often in the ghetto?"

Minimum wage is complicated. You can't just up and start paying everyone working for minimum wage more without the cost of everything else going up to compensate for it. I can tell you that at a majority of the places I've worked at, raising the minimum wage would have meant hiring less employees and giving the ones on staff less hours to make up the difference. When you add on to that the forced healthcare bullshit and the new labor laws that were changed under Obama it all but ties most employers hands.

The only corporations that can do this without losing huge profits are mega corporations like Walmart and McDonald's for example, but if you are a small business or a franchised establishment that isn't corporately controlled then just to pay your managers or top employees well while also making some profit which in most cases unfortunately means you simply can't afford to pay part time or minimum wage workers what you wish you could. Owners should make the greatest profit, followed by the people running the day to day at the highest levels which are doing the most work, working the most hours, and holding the most responsibility, followed by all those that are replaceable. That corporate structure varies depending on the company but that's the basic gist.

The whole "raise the minimum wage" thing sounds great on paper, especially if you are working for it and just want more money, but, at least in this country given our economic structures and business laws means its not really viable to just raise minimum wage by a significant amount in one go and magically expect everyone's lives to suddenly improve.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2niqpwRGmc

I'm shocked about Canada's minority and diversity stats. I just somehow can't believe those numbers. Who is making up such a large portion of the minorities if its not blacks and hispanics?

I would mock you and say you live in a fag country made up of a bunch of filthy French people who you refused to tell to just fuck off and learn english so as to have one unified language instead having essentially two, but then I thought about how we have Espanol bullshit all over everything here because we just let every Mexican with legs walk into our country and couldn't really justify it.

I am still curious about what the black culture is like in Canada or if it exists at all and instead they just act like normal decent human beings? Do they go out of their way to speak broken english that sounds like they have the education of a four year old retarded child? Do 70% of Canadian black women have children out of wedlock with multiple partners and raise them without fathers like they do in the US? What I'm asking is if your niggers are more civilized and well behaved than ours?

On a different topic, and since Nightshade brought it up, even though I don't think he's participating any more, Steve Bannon the soon-to-be chief strategist and senior counselor in the Trump White House said this in a recent interview:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/steve-bannon-trump-tower-interview-trumps-strategist-plots-new-political-movement-948747

"Darkness is good," says Bannon,  "Dick Cheney. Darth Vader. Satan. That's power."

Now, part of me thinks that's just some bad ass shit to say, but I guess if I were to view the world like mere liberal mortals or rational people overly concerned with our country, then I'd have to say, who the fuck says some shit like that? Yikes. Stuff like this doesn't give anyone any confidence in what will happen under Trumps leadership. I would totally like to see Bannon force choke someone though. Darth Bannon has a ring to it.

--------

I'll give you guys a final, food for thought rant. Look, I know it seems like I'm being completely biased and making a lot of broad generalizations about the Left, liberals, SJW's and how much influence these people have and how they are telling all these lies and perpetuating false narratives. Yes, people on both sides do this, but in my opinion, I feel like the real damage to our culture, country, and society is being done by the Left. I know I probably sound like a crazy person at times, but its because I truly believe these are real issues that aren't being addressed and alternative points of view--across the board, across the country--aren't being considered. It's a real problem.

I know there is anecdotal evidence and facts that can be used to break apart any narrative from anyone on any side and I know that every one of these things we are talking about aren't just black and white, but we HAVE to focus on statistical facts and numbers above our own personal experiences or feelings--even though I think those are worth putting out there as well to add some flavor to the conversation--because its so easy to get caught up in false information in an age where bullshit is at our fingertips and its easy to just accept what you've heard as fact just because you hear it more often than another opinion, or because lots of people you like, respect, or tend to agree with have said it, or because its an opinion or statement that fits with how you would like to view the world and how you wish it to be for better or worse.

The other part is admitting when you're wrong or don't have all the information. Human beings have a hard time doing this. No one wants to feel inferior or stupid but not acknowledging when you're wrong or ignoring facts doesn't help anyone.

So in closing, fuck niggers, its called the "White House" for a reason, and Trump has done more for my cause in upsetting and triggering SJW's in the last year than I could ever hope to achieve in my entire lifetime and for that he is an icon and a savior of our once great country.

Random Link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9_MVPq1SJY&list=PLQJW3WMsx1q3BAZh3XsK1cSwCiaqjSulc&index=10



Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by †Adonael on 11/21/16 at 10:06:37

Magnum wrote on 11/20/16 at 14:22:53:
Who's driving this fucking car? It's all over the place. I took it for a spin with a quick trip. Lucky I got back. I apologize.

The main thing like I said before is, people are scared about Trump being president, and if Hilary won then the other side would be scared. If one or the other made it in either way, would it have mattered? Of course we know now but before the decision was made, you could see it.

We're all fucking scared really. The only thing we can do is go about or daily lives because we have to. Got to go to work. We did our part as citizens but the system is so broken it has us arguing over everything. What now? Wait 4 years again right?   

My father in law passed away 3 weeks ago and back in the spring he asked me where do I think this country will be in 50 years? Crazy how it really stuck with me because of my answer.

It won't be. We will be lucky to survive the next 8 if it's possible. I didn't like it at the time but, in high school I had to read a book of all things and make a report about it. Brave New World by Alduos Huxley published back in the 30's.

Scary huh? I also remember asking him about the Red Scare since he was in his 20's at the time. That if I went back in time and told his younger self that a Communist country would be our financial owners? He wouldn't have believed me and probably would've thought I was one of them. Tell him his steel mill he was working at would be bought out by the very Japanese this country fought and nuked because they now make it cheaper? Then plow it to the ground to make a more "commercial" area. Or the Vietnam vets who now buy fucking shoes from the same country that killed their brothers?

America. Fuck yea.      


Never really been scared about any of this shit. Where there's a will there's a way to survive. I might carry a few more sharp objects with me when going through South city and East St.louis but that's neither here nor there.

If Hilary was president it would be the same ol shit, same ol story it has always been. What people are afraid of is change. The problem is everyone whining now. There's no such thing as a honorable loss anymore.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Thrillho on 11/21/16 at 10:06:39
Generally when debating why another side is wrong. People bring up the worst possible example. Then throw everything else in the garbage.

You think BLM has a good message? Well fuck you look at these hoodrats beating a white man! That is the entire movement!

You think you can be proud of being white? Well fuck you Hitler. You must be a Neo Nazi. Why do you hate black people?

Christian? You just want to control the lives of others and kill off the muslims!

Muslim? You're gonna blow up a building and want everyone to live under islam!

American? Hah your country is totally racist and has been circling the drain for 30 years.

Canadian? Hah your country is tiny and irrelevant.

Very rarely will you hear the good things people in any of these groups do. Hell I know I'm guilty of it. It's really easy to get lured into that kind of argument.

Because you can't say "Look at this good thing that was done!" and get attention. Not like you do when you say "Oh my god look at what these monsters have done!". Society loves drama. Drama isn't birthed from good deeds.

Just something to keep in mind. I'm constantly working harder to not fall into the trap of negativity and demonization. It just alienates you from people who you might want to convert. Or at least have a decent conversation with. If all you bring to the table is "UM LOOK THEY DID A BAD THING! THIS DEFINES EVERYONE IN THIS GROUP!". Then you aren't looking out for the best interests of everyone. You're just looking out for your own interests.

I've got friends on every side of the spectrum. Race, Religion, Nationality. They're good people. If I took the demonization bullshit to heart. I'd be a lonely son of a bitch. One with very little influence outside of a small group of people who would already agree with everything I think.

So with that I ask give Trump a chance. I sure as hell gave Obama a chance. Wait for him to actually do something wrong. Also when he does something right. Don't ignore it.

If you can't see the good people are doing and only see evil. You're not going to have an impact on anyone. Your arguments are going to reek of bias. People will just respond with the flaws of the people you back. So unless you're without sin and your people are perfect. You might want to make friends with your opponents and sincerely work for a better world. Cause you aren't going to win them over by being a cunt.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Skywalker on 11/22/16 at 16:32:22

Thrillho wrote on 11/21/16 at 10:06:39:
Then you aren't looking out for the best interests of everyone. You're just looking out for your own interests.

It's true it's in my own self interest when venting like this:


LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE PRESIDENT ELECT: "We are working very selfishly, and ineffectively. Putting America first because we're the only country that matters. Satisfying the white supremacist and degenerating our progress to pre WW1 standards. Making sure (total fucking lie) all rural, uneducated, self-inflicted degenerates, self entitled, willful ignorant's, can all live like kings" (even though you didn't work for it, and no, working over time at Walmart because you're too much of a fucking loser to reach for anything higher does NOT qualify as hard work) People without an education shouldn't be allowed to vote. I'm so sorry that offends you, but it's your fault. Not the government, not your family, not anyone or anything else you like to blame it on. Typical Trump supporter can't own up to or take responsibility for SHIT. It's everyone else's fault. TRUMP WILL SAVE ME. You stupid MORON. HITLER said the same thing. Though I don't expect you to know anything about history or literature. Like I said, you shouldn't have been allowed to vote. Irresponsible voter. Trump so cool, so meme, everything a joke. It's alright because when shit hits the fan because Trump fucked up so badly, IT'LL BE YOUR FAULT. No doubt Trump supporters will hold out to the end, being as their ignorance is unprecedented, but when you all finally realize the mistake you made you'll be the most accountable and have to live with that. Now go off to your KKK parade. Dress warmly you cold hearted creatures.


Thrillho wrote on 11/21/16 at 10:06:39:
If you can't see the good people are doing and only see evil. You're not going to have an impact on anyone. Your arguments are going to reek of bias.



One thing that makes me proud of being a Hillary supporter is the ability to listen to both sides. Whenever I walk out of my Philosophy class I'm usually more optimistic about a Trump presidency. We have both Hillary and Trump supporters in there. Mostly young girls, Hispanics, Latinos, some white guy with a lisp, and open-minded shut-in's like me are on the Hillary side. On the Trump side is uptight white males, one of them is openly Satanist, always talking shit about everyone and everything, particularly starting arguments with other classmates, and not the constructive ones either.

Last class we left off with "He's an outsider to the political realm. He has no political background" could be a good thing. Maybe he actually has our interest at hand. - but then I think to myself, He's not going to know how to do shit! It'll take him his entire 4 year term to learn the ropes!

I also like how a Trump supporter will nit pick and call you out on what should be a plain as day obvious facts. Trump supporter: "Where's the proof he's a racist, huh?" Then someone brings up factual documents stretching back to 70's and 80's when he was sued by the government for not allowing black people into his apartments and hotels. Investigations were done where undercover African Americans would apply and repeatedly turned down saying there's no more room, but then a white person would walk in and get a room right away.  And having a Hot foreign model for a wife doesn't do much for your argument either.

You know what though, It didn't even matter if he was factually racist or not, the world views him as such and that's the image. ISIS uses his campaign rhetoric for recruiting. I mean, how many smacks in the face do you need until you wake up?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyD9gqu3N1M
I actually don't care for that movie but that was good.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQPOUVLVXz4&t=4s
Yes I participated in the NYC protests, which have been ongoing everyday since after election. My reasons being that I want to smash the stereotype that all white people voted for Trump. Also I'm making a lot of friends. My Facebook exploded overnight, and not just from random ass people I'll never meet, but with people I have marched with and will continue to march. At least until after inauguration. I promise I'll be done after that. I met a couple of girls (and got their number) and also have another date in a couple weeks at another protest. We're talking about traveling together since DC is quite a ways.

Just the feeling of being around like-minded people was totally worth it and one of the big motivators for going there. And putting a face on the country that's diverse and not white America. I mean for god's sake that's primitive. White America is primitive.


Edit: "all" instead of "only"

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by †Adonael on 11/23/16 at 01:28:03
Trump isn't for "white america" that's media garble made by the democratic campaign managers and liberal media to dissuade the minorities from voting for Trump and the republicans. That's all a way to win the inner cities votes, because most of the big cities have a lot of black people and other minorities and thats all it is.

I'm not on either side of this because I am a realist. I'm rational.

Extremest, which of the likes you stand with, do nothing but cause problems. No one's rights are being infringed upon. It's basically a massive "My feelings are hurt I want a safe place to cry." Rally.

If you gotta go protest to get pussy that's pretty sad in it's own right.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 11/23/16 at 05:01:46
"Satisfying the white supremacist and degenerating our progress to pre WW1 standards."

Yawn, here we go with the Leftist hyperbole again. Watch as it builds to spin an epic tale for the ages! I guess white supremacist just means white people now?

"and no, working over time at Walmart because you're too much of a fucking loser to reach for anything higher does NOT qualify as hard work"

Whoa, why are you putting down people who work at Walmart now? That's a special kind of hatred right there. You should come over to the right, you'd fit right in. What if I told you, most people who work at Walmart are black? Are you saying black people are lazy?

"People without an education shouldn't be allowed to vote. I'm so sorry that offends you, but it's your fault."

Lots of people who are uneducated about all kinds of things vote, they have the right to. Calling an entire group of people, Trump voters in this case, uneducated and retarded is exactly why Trump won. People like you that think they are superior in some way just got told to fuck off.

"HITLER said the same thing."

Here we go with Hitler analogy. So original. Everyone and everything being "literally Hitler" is the laziest insult ever at this point. But keep going with your insane fantasy land story, its gripping. I can't wait for the part where the KKK show up.

"Now go off to your KKK parade."

Now the circle is complete. Great story, but I've heard it before.

"Like I said, you shouldn't have been allowed to vote."

Anyone who disagrees with your view of the world shouldn't be allowed to vote? Sounds like something Hitler would say, you fascist cunt!

"No doubt Trump supporters will hold out to the end, being as their ignorance is unprecedented"

Here is a mirror. Take a look at it. 

"One thing that makes me proud of being a Hillary supporter is the ability to listen to both sides."

When is the part where you listen? Is it after you yell at someone, call them stupid, and try and take away their right to vote? I'm curious when the listening part happens?

"Whenever I walk out of my Philosophy class I'm usually more optimistic about a Trump presidency."

You should probably spend more time in Philosophy class then.

"On the Trump side is uptight white males, one of them is openly Satanist, always talking shit about everyone and everything, particularly starting arguments with other classmates, and not the constructive ones either."

But is he "literally Satan", that's the important question. I would imagine the reason a Trump supporter on a modern college campus talking shit to everyone is a direct result of being bullied and "shamed" for not standing with the rest of you weak ass liberal faggots. I'd honestly be surprised if he gets to speak at all.

"You know what though, It didn't even matter if he was factually racist or not, the world views him as such and that's the image."

The world you live is the only one that sees it that way.

"Yes I participated in the NYC protests"

Go home loser. Go back to school, get a job, do something worthwhile with your life. What are you protesting? Democracy? Do you think the hurt feelings of the Liberals fucking matter? No.

I did love how all the libtards gathered around Trump tower to protest, even though Trump wasn't there, acting like it was going to be Ave Maria and Trump was going to come out on the balcony to address you all like the peasant scum you are.

"My reasons being that I want to smash the stereotype that all white people voted for Trump."

Wait, all white people didn't vote for Trump? HOLY SHIT MY WORLD JUST SHATTERED! Way to show the world how much you hate being white. I'm sure your presence really made a difference. Thank you for standing up for all white people.

"but with people I have marched with and will continue to march"

March for what? A recount? A giant safe space bubble that you all can live in? Protesting Trump and this election is THE biggest waste of time ever and all it does it show those of us who voted for Trump why we made the right decision because delusional millennials have been living in their fantasy America for far too long.

"I met a couple of girls (and got their number) and also have another date in a couple weeks at another protest."

Ok, see, if you would have told me you just went to these protests to bang some retarded liberal chicks I would totally respect you so in this regard I'll give you some props. There is nothing feminists like more than being choke fucked. The trick is wait until you're about to cum and then whisper softly into her ear "I voted for Trump" and then finish inside her while she tries to fight you off. Best orgasm you'll ever have.

"Just the feeling of being around like-minded people was totally worth it and one of the big motivators for going there."

Those are called "safe spaces".

"And putting a face on the country that's diverse and not white America."

Are you white yourself? Just asking because there is nothing more pathetic than a white dude acting like hes everything that's wrong with this country. Do you cry when you look down at your white skin and look to the heavens and ask WHY GOD!? Why must I be the perfect race! I bet you like watching your girlfriends get pounded by big black dicks you pussy ass cuck.

Here are more "college educated" enlightened people like you, that uphold retarded beliefs, getting rekt. This is what uneducated looks like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CISoGx8qzCE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKgNqPS8UIs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1cKBq1aIpA





Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Thrillho on 11/23/16 at 09:21:01
Haha the irony of Skywalker talking shit about poor people. Saying they shouldn't vote. Then complaining about white supremacy.

You know there are a lot of poor black people out there right? Poor black people who didn't go out to vote because they hated Hilary. Poor black people who showed up in droves for Obama and clinched his victory.

I'd go over your spiel point by point. But it's not worth the time. You're not going to convince anyone to think the way you do. That holier than thou bullshit is just emotional masturbation. Xizor did a great job pointing out your hypocrisy point by point. You can't win people over without a basic level of respect. You don't even respect the people who bag your groceries and keep your fridge full.

Funny how the most privileged people on the planet cry about privilege the most. How about you split off some of your undeserved gains to help out the black community?

Or did your parents pay your tuition? Perhaps a loan? Either way you haven't earned your shit yet. Get a real job then we can talk about what you've earned.

"Yes I participated in the NYC protests"

What good does protesting in an area that voted for Hilary do? Go to Florida. You're ripping apart home territory. There must be some genius level strategy to this that I can't comprehend. Damn community college.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Magnum on 11/23/16 at 11:51:22
People without an education shouldn't be allowed to vote. I'm so sorry that offends you, but it's your fault. Not the government, not your family, not anyone or anything else you like to blame it on.

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=16

Hate to sound racist but, throughout all the years in that chart Blacks and Hispanics have been on the top. Nothing to do with anything though.

Forget about collage if you don't have the money or credit to get a loan. That in it's self isn't privileged at all.   ::)

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by †Adonael on 11/23/16 at 12:28:09
God I love you guys.  ;D

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Thrillho on 11/23/16 at 16:41:21
Listen here poors! I will relieve you of the stress of freedom. Stay home and I will decide what is best for you with my powerful intellect!

Just keep your tiny mind busy providing me with food, fuel, and labor. I will decide what is best for you.

Aren't you inferiors lucky having such a superior person as myself helping you? No need to thank me. Just sit down and be quiet.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Mecit on 11/23/16 at 16:46:00
Having a degree is way too fucking overrated. I've seen too many people with a degree who are full of shit and much more ignorant and closed minded compared to those you'd call uneducated.

Whether you should be able to vote shouldn't really have anything with your education level.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 11/24/16 at 01:32:34
Reasons why Trump won #1: Libtards who shave their pussy hair into the shape of an "H" for Hillary, even though shes gone and its over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzm1k3SsZAs

Reasons why Trump won #2: Liberals can't be allowed to create gay ass music like this. I mean, its like you guys are just becoming a parody of yourselves at this point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUwM47g-220

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Magnum on 11/24/16 at 14:07:06
Whether you should be able to vote shouldn't really have anything with your education level.

Since we're kinda derailed anyway. That statement is very true. Don't say that those that are uneducated should have no right to vote. If that was the case, there would be a massive amount of people that would have to be left off a voting ballot across the country if it went by IQ level.

Are you fucking serious? And since in that quickie little chart I coughed up, I would gather that a lot of ethnic, and people of color would be told they can't vote. Wow......Now wouldn't that start some shit? 

Never mind that the majority of black communities in urban "hoods" perpetrate everything about that lifestyle. I get it. It's your life, where your from, and how you grew up, and that there isn't a whole lot of choice being there because your sperm cell didn't get lucky. So that's all white peoples fault? Same with Ghetto Hispanics. Fucking poor Italian Mooks. Fucking Jabeebs. There are really poor white people too ya know? What are they called? 

I was/called "White Trash" for being on welfare as a teen and I ain't even white! My sperm cell wasn't lucky either. I was taught it's because of bad circumstances. The only person I could blame would be my father, and that is kinda half shallow. Why?

Because there are plenty of people who get out of those situations and WORK HARD to get out instead of blaming others. That's what's wrong today.

Holy shit dude. Because of who I am and what I "look like" I've seen so much racist shit over my lifetime. Blacks and Hispanics don't like me cause I'm "white" Whites don't like me because I'm White Hispanic. Italians don't like me because I'm Hispanic. Hispanics don't like me because I'm Italian or White. Can't tell you how many times I get "white people" come up to me with racist shit thinking I'm just going to be like...."Yea....your awesome."

Fuck you. I'm a Moolie, Jabeeb, WoP, Greaser, Spic, Wetback, Illegal, Lettuce/Tomato chuckin, Green Card, Honkey, Cracker, and whatever else you want to throw at me. But the one damn thing I'm not is Black.

Holy shit I'm so sorry. I will not tolerate being told I'm fucking God damn privileged when people are racist to my face.

Another fucking thing that's also kinda dead now a days is no one seems to have a sense of humor anymore. Look at me be such a racist bigot for what I CALLED MYSELF!!    


   

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 11/25/16 at 05:02:22
Reasons why Trump won #3: Liberals hate Halloween and think incest is ok as long as its in a "safe space".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyOUa2lmyPM

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 11/28/16 at 04:20:56
Reasons why Trump won #4: Black Lives Matter and all the retarded racist shit that came along with it. I thought it was dead but apparently not.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/11080/black-lives-matter-block-white-owned-businesses-amanda-prestigiacomo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttUqJabIJXs

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Skywalker on 11/28/16 at 19:31:09
I copied and pasted that entire qoute from Facebook so it wasn't intended for anyone here. I hadn't even checked this place for a couple months. I read the most recent post and immediately posted. Kind of like what I'm doing now unfortunately. I probably shouldn't of because it was harsh, but I still believe the protests are important for a simple reason and that's just to show the world not all white people are racist.

I actually don't care for Hitler analogies I think they're too dramatic, but I have to admit there's quite a few and getting hard to ignore.

The education ideal is that educated (and preferably recently or still in school people) are not only more aware of national and world affairs, but understand it all. The crucial ability to search and understand all truths, not just the ones you agree with and pursue. The real life Trump people I know generally had kids too early, couldn't afford themselves let alone a family, and blames the government because they can't move up. They typically believe college is worthless waste of time/money, ect. College isn't just a place where you input info. It brings you out and connecting with people and the world. The professors force participation in and out of the classroom. By force I mean it affects you're grade. I don't settle for anything less than straight A's and being biased is a good way to get a failing grade.




XIZOR wrote on 11/23/16 at 05:01:46:
"Now go off to your KKK parade."

Now the circle is complete. Great story, but I've heard it before.
You're just writing this off like it's nothing. The KKK endorsements say a lot. It's undeniable, and supports my position.




XIZOR wrote on 11/23/16 at 05:01:46:
Here is a mirror. Take a look at it. 
...



XIZOR wrote on 11/23/16 at 05:01:46:
But is he "literally Satan", that's the important question. I would imagine the reason a Trump supporter on a modern college campus talking shit to everyone is a direct result of being bullied and "shamed" for not standing with the rest of you weak ass liberal faggots. I'd honestly be surprised if he gets to speak at all.

You're writing something off again. It doesn't surprise me a Trump supporter would be a Satanist. Most Trump supporters have a negative view of the world and America. You sir, have no fucking idea how good you have it here in America. And once again it goes along with the idea that, eh, fuck it.




XIZOR wrote on 11/23/16 at 05:01:46:
Go home loser. Go back to school, get a job, do something worthwhile with your life.

I'd hate to criticize what you do with your life and spend your time, so I'm not going to. I'll just say I go to school full time, work full time, do and fix everything myself, and still make time to help others including friends, family, and even classmates. Strangers I try to avoid but I was happy to help some foreign people trying to buy a ticket at the subway machine.




†Adonael wrote on 11/23/16 at 01:28:03:
If you gotta go protest to get pussy that's pretty sad in it's own right.

I'm so happy though this doesn't phase me at all. Exploring and learning NYC has also been amazingly great. I have the feeling I'm just getting started.




Thrillho wrote on 11/23/16 at 09:21:01:
Or did your parents pay your tuition? Perhaps a loan? Either way you haven't earned your shit yet. Get a real job then we can talk about what you've earned.

I work very hard at my unconventional, but very real job. Likely more hard than most people here. I say that because I'm exposed to the elements inside and outside. My job takes integrity and special type of motivated person. I earned my current position which can be perceived by some as privilege because the benefits I now have. Mind you, I bled and gave a portion of my life to have this great job with great people that allow me flexible hours to attain an education which has been working out great. It was difficult at first and I wanted to give up but I pressed on and pulled off a 3.8 gpa my first semester which has been gaining me all sorts of grants and scholarships. Shiiiitt, school is now paying for all my shit now. Rent, food, bills, everything. In big checks at 3-4 grand a pop. You have to have a 3.0 to qualify for these scholarships which most people don't have so for me it's free money up for grabs. And no, I'm about to smash the fuck out of your stereotype right now: My parents are both of the typical "People that had kids too early, couldn't get out of the poorhouse rut" I grew up in dire poverty in the inner city of Troy. My parents divorced before I was born. My mother raised 3 kids on her own and state assistance.  Currently, I regularly pay her bills and support her. I don't even have to ask, I know none of you support your parents, and if you do please say. Otherwise, what the fuck do you know about that? Yup, nothing. It's only natural to get upset and fear things you don't know anything about.

And wouldn't ya know it. Both my parents supported Trump and regularly complain about shit they don't know or understand. It was so easy for Trump to play you all and your fears, like a fiddle. You were played, like a fiddle. Probably caught like fishes among the rest of ocean of supporters during those first months when Trump was strongest.

On top of all of this I've noticed social media, and YouTube was absolutely dominated with Trump supporters. Hm, interesting. It shouldn't be a surprise then that most gamers are Trump.

One thing I don't understand is why hate the protesters??? For trying to paint a diverse picture of America?? for supporting immigrants???? We are all immigrants you fools!! ughhh. I'm done

I still haven't read the previous 5 pages but it does look like there's sensible people here.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Mecit on 11/29/16 at 01:27:36

Magnum wrote on 11/24/16 at 14:07:06:
Since we're kinda derailed anyway. That statement is very true. Don't say that those that are uneducated should have no right to vote. If that was the case, there would be a massive amount of people that would have to be left off a voting ballot across the country if it went by IQ level.

Are you fucking serious? And since in that quickie little chart I coughed up, I would gather that a lot of ethnic, and people of color would be told they can't vote. Wow......Now wouldn't that start some shit?


My two cents: To hell with any system that creates separations like educated/uneducated or those who are of us/not of us etc. between its people, let alone trying to be "worthy of voting" in such rotten system.

As for the ethnic background stuff, I think George Carlin sums it up perfectly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgps85scy1g


Magnum wrote on 11/24/16 at 14:07:06:
Another fucking thing that's also kinda dead now a days is no one seems to have a sense of humor anymore. Look at me be such a racist bigot for what I CALLED MYSELF!!


I blame moralfags who make everything about oppressed communities. Sure, they might not be totally wrong in what they're defending but where oversensitivity takes over, humor is bound to die off.


Skywalker wrote on 11/28/16 at 19:31:09:
On top of all of this I've noticed social media, and YouTube was absolutely dominated with Trump supporters. Hm, interesting.


I don't know about Youtube, but that definitely is not the case with Twitter. Whenever he tweets, he gets roasted and made fun of by hundreds of people.




Anyhow. No offense to anyone who participated in this thread, but I think it's pretty retarded to defend a politician over another when they're all the same shit.


Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 11/29/16 at 05:22:51
"I copied and pasted that entire quote from Facebook so it wasn't intended for anyone here."

Did you write it yourself though or are you just backing away from it now that its been deconstructed into nothingness?

If you didn't write it then that means you can't even express your own feelings properly and instead just repeated what some other liberal retard said, which is the problem with people on the Left these days in general--the hive mind as I call it.

Or you did write it and are no longer standing by your own words which makes you look like a giant pussy and just shows that your "stance" or "beliefs" on politics are about as thin as paper.

"I read the most recent post and immediately posted."

This is the problem with you younger generations in a net shell. TL;DR was started by you guys. Let's not read, lets skim over your opinions so I can hurry up and tell you how I feel instead. Let's not learn things or understand someone else's position, let's just to jump to conclusions and feelings instead of logic and reason.

"but I still believe the protests are important for a simple reason and that's just to show the world not all white people are racist."

Again, no one thinks that. If you were to guess, how many white people on average do you think are actually racist?

"I actually don't care for Hitler analogies I think they're too dramatic"

Says the guy either saying or quoting Hitler analogies in his reply.

"The education ideal is that educated (and preferably recently or still in school people) are not only more aware of national and world affairs, but understand it all.

This is a stupid assumption to make but this is the typical arrogance of young people. They think they know better. I was a know-it-all shithead when I was young too, and then I lived and experienced the real world.

"The real life Trump people I know generally had kids too early, couldn't afford themselves let alone a family, and blames the government because they can't move up."

So the handful of Trump people you know represent all supporters then? When I look around at the world, you know being a functioning adult who also gets out there and connects with people everyday, I see Trump supporters of all kinds in all classes, races, and social brackets. Those people are the real America; the millions who voted for Trump.

"They typically believe college is worthless waste of time/money, ect."

What college do you go to and what are you studying and what is your major/minor if you don't mind me asking. 

"The professors force participation in and out of the classroom."

Participation in what? Protests? Maybe you are fortunate enough to go to a school that isn't fully corrupt yet but from the way you're speaking I highly doubt it.

Reasons why Trump won #5: Snowflake faggots and professors have now managed to have the American flag, THE AMERICAN FLAG, banned from campus.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/11134/after-college-bans-american-flag-these-military-amanda-prestigiacomo

So forgive me if I see college as a huge waste of time when all it does is breed fucking stupid people like this.

"The KKK endorsements say a lot. It's undeniable, and supports my position."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPL2JlJBuqs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MG8NUcOEy0

"It doesn't surprise me a Trump supporter would be a Satanist."

What kind of special retard thinks like this, seriously? You kids really have been indoctrinated.

"Most Trump supporters have a negative view of the world and America."

No, actually we just want to make America great again. We're pro-free speech and pro-humor.

"You sir, have no fucking idea how good you have it here in America."

Oh ok, mister college beta male fuck boy, what don't I understand about America, the country I've been alive in longer than you? Probably nothing but I'd love to hear more of your ridiculous views so I can tear them apart.

"I'd hate to criticize what you do with your life and spend your time, so I'm not going to."

Unless I voted for Trump or work at Walmart right?

"Strangers I try to avoid"

"but I was happy to help some foreign people trying to buy a ticket at the subway machine."

Holy shit someone give this guy a medal of honor. He overcame his fear of strangers to help fucking immigrants get yet another free ride--on the subway--in this country. Man, you are such a hero.

God I bet you jerk off to Fight Song at least once a day don't you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsQJOpO0pfs

"I work very hard at my unconventional, but very real job. Likely more hard than most people here. I say that because I'm exposed to the elements inside and outside. My job takes integrity and special type of motivated person."

Oh fuck, now I have to know what your job is with this sort of pompous preamble. Do you work on some Alaskan fishing vessel catching snow crabs or some shit?

"I earned my current position which can be perceived by some as privilege because the benefits I now have."

Then do the right thing and give your job to a black person otherwise you aren't noble at all and actually just racist.

"Mind you, I bled and gave a portion of my life to have this great job with great people"

You serve in the military then? I mean, its still pretty cool if you bled for our snow crabs but only slightly less.

"My parents divorced before I was born."

Makes sense. Your dad could already see the failure he had created and bounced.

"I know none of you support your parents. Otherwise, what the fuck do you know about that? Yup, nothing. It's only natural to get upset and fear things you don't know anything about."

What an odd moral hill to try and stand on. I'm not sure what you're point is here. No I don't support my parents because my parents aren't worthless pieces of shit. I'll totally help support your mom though. I'll definitely give her at least 20 for a blow job.

"It was so easy for Trump to play you all and your fears, like a fiddle."

I mean, you guys were the ones crying, destroy property, burning flags, and protesting democracy after the election so I'd say that your fears and the fears of all liberals and SJWs--fears of widespread hate crimes, violence, gays being killed, immigrants being shuttled out of the country in mass--are the ones who got trolled and played, not us sir. We were busy celebrating what will hopefully be an end to faggotry in this country while we all got drunk on delicious tears.

"On top of all of this I've noticed social media, and YouTube was absolutely dominated with Trump supporters."

I'm pretty sure this is just factually wrong in every way.

"It shouldn't be a surprise then that most gamers are Trump."

Uh, wrong again. I don't have specific numbers obviously, but I would wager that nearly all gamers are by and large huge SJWs and liberal cry babies. Go anywhere on the internet where there are video games being talked about and its pretty obvious.

"One thing I don't understand is why hate the protesters???"

Because you're stupid and you are protesting nothing. If all you ass clowns actually cared you would have voted Hillary in but instead you decided to stay in your safe spaces and let real America vote so enjoy Trump.











Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Skywalker on 11/29/16 at 06:20:45
YES! THIS! The entire thing! Especially #4

SynthR wrote on 11/14/16 at 02:10:54:
Some random thoughts:

1) I don't like Trump and Hillary is a piece of work too. Neither were fit to lead. Trump can't even speak properly - he's a complete douche. In fact, he says a lot of nothing and mixes in hateful speech to bully the opposition. If you hear a racist or sexiest remark, don't your ears perk up? You know what you just heard was wrong. What kind of leader talks like that? Trump is going to fuck everyone and I think everyone, including those that voted for him, know that. I swear we're all on the verge of heading into another economic depression. If it happens, it's going to be bad. Trump is basically a caricature of how the world views America. He's this overbearing asshole with tons of money pointing his finger at everybody demanding change. Change that he hasn't even bothered to articulate in detail and probably won't even see through himself. It's not as easy as throwing illegals out and shutting down trade. He can't just do those things willy-nilly and people aren't going to abide quietly.

2) He believes climate change was something created by China. That's tinfoil hat shit. He's shitting on actual science here. What a complete moron. He's going to reverse a lot of positive things that have taken place over the last decade to ensure our world doesn't kill us off before our greed does. So let's say he shit-cans things like Carbon Tax, making it cheaper for industry to produce goods because it's expensive to operate sustainably. Well, Canada is fucked in that scenario because we will move manufacturing to the States or elsewhere where it's cheaper. Canada loses jobs, nobody has money, Great Depression. Issues surrounding climate change are real and we're close to being at the point where it's irreversible. That's serious and this guy doesn't believe it.

3) America will have a leader that will form the backbone and create a strong platform for a massive rise in hate crime. Hate crime shouldn't exist anymore, but it does and probably always will. Every piece of shit racist, bigot, sexiest asshole is going to think their actions are justified because they identify with their country's leader. What in the world? Is this real life? You can't stop violence but Trump taking office is going to set everyone back to the 1980s. What a fucking moron. He's going about all this so wrong and he gave strength to people that shouldn't be empowered. Now, I don't want to hear about the SJW bullshit because that just leads into extremism. There are casualties on both sides, a difference in opinion, and that's fine, but the violence that we've seen lately isn't dick compared to what's going to happen. Nobody is going to stand for hate crime and there's going to be an explosion coming, which might be exactly what Trump wants so it fuels the Prison Industrial Complex. If you're not familiar with what that is, you should probably research it because Trump supports it 100 percent. Slavery still exists, folks.

4) He surrounded himself with his entire family. All of his kids have jobs in government now. What in the actual fuck is that shit? None of these people know what they're doing. Even people that aren't family and have been in politics are decades behind the curve. Their views of the world are ancient and shouldn't be allowed to see the light of day. The first thing I think of is The Dark Knight Rises. Bane takes over Gotham and all of a sudden every criminal out of Arkham has power. It's complete anarchy. The wrong people are going to be making decisions that will affect us for generations.

5) Despite putting his family in office with him, Trump is not a family man and won't ever be. Giving his family work wasn't because he cared or thought they were a good fit. It's his way of creating a vacuum for enforcing his soon-to-be detrimental leadership. For that reason, I find him completely unrelatable. The President should be a parental figure that views their country as their family, children, whatever. He's a vain piece of garbage and he's proven is over and over. The things I saw Obama do for people, I can guarantee Trump won't even come close to being as charitable with his time. I'll laugh if I see him handing out candy to kids or dancing around in public. It won't be genuine. I've never seen anyone just walk among his people like Obama did and the love he has for his wife and kids. That's a damn good leader. Trump doesn't have it in him because he's "business first". He works long hours, never comes home and has an affair with a co-worker - not unlike many other past presidents. He's the estranged father that gives his kids gifts to make up for not being there.

6) Trump will be impeached before his term is up. The Republicans won't be able to keep the leash on him and he's going to get out of control.


Hopefully Xizor is right in that Trump is a liberal in conservative clothing. That's about the only positive thing I can say about Trump at this moment.

@XIZOR

I should mention I voted Hillary. I thought it was obvious. I still have the voting card somewhere if you want pictures.

I'm right and wrong about my views just as you are about yours, basically. Views. Opinions. Posting biased links and videos doesn't verify shit. Just makes you appear more legitimate while swaying more people in your direction.

I'm not shoving my education in your face for the purpose of showing off either. I know, it's hard to believe.

I mentioned it because it has opened my eyes on a lot of things I didn't even realized I was biased towards, and I thought I was naturally the most unbiased person. So people without an education are missing this. Someone else touched on this too, that we are all naturally selfish. It takes a lot of work and strength on a daily basis to NOT be inherently selfish. Do you do this? Most likely not. I base this off the fact you voted Trump, which was a very selfish thing to do for what I can tell all selfish reasons. Conclusions can be drawn. This behavior says way more about you than me being naïve will ever say about me.

You'll also find it hard to believe that most of my school was Trump supporters as well as the classes. Just like most of upstate NY was a sea of red with the exception of a few.

Keep dreaming I will never go into the details of my work. Although I have before but you'll have to sift through TMA to find it. Nor will I go into anymore of myself which will just be used against me in a complete biased and degrading way.


XIZOR wrote on 11/29/16 at 05:22:51:
Did you write it yourself though or are you just backing away from it now that its been deconstructed into nothingness? .

I wrote it myself. I'm not backing away from anything. I don't have anything against anyone here. I mentioned that courtesy to you and everyone else. Good job in turning that around though. Much like you did for everything I said. This is getting dirty and time consuming but I agree with you on one other thing. It's important to me also.


XIZOR wrote on 11/29/16 at 05:22:51:
This is the problem with you younger generations in a net shell. TL;DR was started by you guys. Let's not read, lets skim over your opinions so I can hurry up and tell you how I feel instead. Let's not learn things or understand someone else's position, let's just to jump to conclusions and feelings instead of logic and reason. 

It's called time constraints. If you understood you wouldn't have even mentioned it. And I don't skim through anyone's posts including your overflowing lengthy ones all in red font. I just said that I read the most recent. I simply didn't have time to read 5 pages but I did tonight and it took hours. I wouldn't blame anyone for doing something similar. Can't just go around assuming you know everything. That's quite impossible. The main theme in philosophy is that nothing is absolute. AKA open mind.


XIZOR wrote on 11/29/16 at 05:22:51:
No, actually we just want to make America great again.


How does painting a racist, immature, amateur, portrait of America going to make it great again? This is such a contradiction. Do you understand where we're coming from yet? Others have already put it far better and articulate than me, so probably not...

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Magnum on 11/29/16 at 11:07:11
I blame moralfags who make everything about oppressed communities. Sure, they might not be totally wrong in what they're defending but where oversensitivity takes over, humor is bound to die off.

Aaaaaaaaaand that is that.

People have to be so careful today because someones feelings might get hurt. You know, like actually get upset about something that seems wrong. Whatever that may be. Perceived or real. We have to defend ourselves from bad people. 

I mean, I can sit here all day and be like, wow.....life is so unfair. I think about all the people who get offended today and I'm like...depressed and hurt. I just can't believe you said Moral fags. I have this safe space in my house where I put a plastic bag over my head and masturbate viciously. And since it's my safe space, you can't judge me.

Most times I black out and wake up feeling justified in my moral fiber. Other times I wake up with a mess in my hands and blame the people who forced me into my safe space.

NO ONE ELSE IS ALLOWED IN MY SAFE SPACE!! IT'S MY FUCKING MIND AND YOU ALL WILL DO WHAT I SAY!!!

So yea. Great day today! Wanna play patty cake? 

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Skywalker on 11/29/16 at 16:57:12
I recommend this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OwciVuvviA




Idiocracy anyone?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGUNPMPrxvA




Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 11/30/16 at 05:17:24
"Hopefully Xizor is right in that Trump is a liberal in conservative clothing."

Yeah, he's not conservative, never was.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/11044/trump-i-dont-care-about-doing-conservative-job-hank-berrien

The main thing that I think a lot of people are overlooking here is that we finally elected an independent candidate. I mean, for those of you hoping to get a third party candidate to run I can see how Trump doesn't necessarily fit your standards for many reasons, but at the very least we will now have a President who didn't have any previous ties to either side, he only used the Republican party to his advantage because he would never have won running as a Democrat or independent. If nothing else, this is pretty historic in that sense. At least that's how I look at it. We're shattering glass ceilings right guys?

"I should mention I voted Hillary."

Yeah I figured. But why? If you voted for Hillary because the alternative was Trump I get it but I still think that's a dumb reason so why did you vote for her and please explain in terms of policies or things you think she would have actually done and not just racist this and homophobe that bullshit.

"Posting biased links and videos doesn't verify shit."

Which links are you referring to? Did you watch any or all of them or did you just disregard them immediately? While I do post a lot of Right leaning stuff, I don't post any radical Republican propaganda. Its all pretty reasonable stuff.

Just to make sure I'm perfectly clear here I am more Right leaning these days but I am not a racist, I fully support gays and trans people (even though I think the trans craze has gotten a bit ridiculous), I am not a religious fanatic that couches their logic in the bible, and I am pro-choice not pro-life so none of the links or video I link to have anything to do with all that stuff which is what a lot of liberals don't like about people on the Right.

"Just makes you appear more legitimate while swaying more people in your direction."

Yeah, its called backing up your argument and exposing people to knew ideas and ways of looking at things. I would love for more people to get woke and realize that the Right is pretty fucking cool these days but I don't expect to convince anyone of that.

I would just hope that as someone who has always presented himself as liberal as fuck on TMA that others might be more willing to see my way of thinking because it probably seems like a crazy thing for me to change teams but I feel like it had to be done and I'm trying to show people what convinced me to think differently.

"I'm not shoving my education in your face for the purpose of showing off either. I know, it's hard to believe."

Anyone can go to college so its not impressive, don't worry. And like I said, when I see what's happening at most college campuses not just in the US but Canada as well with the triggered faggots, sexually confused "I'm transgender because its cool" hipsters, all the anti-American sentiments and bullshit liberal ideology its hard to believe colleges are preparing anyone for the real world.

"we are all naturally selfish. It takes a lot of work and strength on a daily basis to NOT be inherently selfish. Do you do this? Most likely not. I base this off the fact you voted Trump, which was a very selfish thing to do for what I can tell all selfish reasons."

Why is it selfish to vote for Trump? You're going to have to explain that to me.

I've already laid out why I voted for Trump many times in this thread but I'll run down the list one more time as a reminder.

1) The liberal media was out of control and Trump exposed it, used it to his advantage, and made them all second guess their actions.

2) We need to pay more attention to who we let into our country on all fronts. Stronger border protection and immigration laws need to happen badly.

3) I'm tired of the Left coddling Muslims and telling us all were crazy for feeling like they have radicals that do real damage and kill thousands across the globe every year. Trump was preaching this. Just yesterday we had some fucking radical try to go on a killing spree at OSU. This is very real. Wake up people!

http://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/803417243547799552/photo/1

http://www.dailywire.com/news/11173/isis-claims-responsibility-attack-ohio-state-joshua-yasmeh

4) Trump isn't a police hater like the rest of the liberal country supporting the Black Lives Matter movement and turning a blind eye to cops being killed.

5) While Trump never said he was anti-politically correct, all his actions said as much. He was very politically incorrect in every way possible which is a breath of fresh air and I think his honesty overall, whether you believe any of the things he said, was a breath a fresh air to a lot of people and clearly that resonated with most of the country. I'm all about free speech and letting people make jokes and say what they want to say and liberals are not so a vote for Trump was a vote for all of those things.

6) Trump said the system was rigged and that Hillary was corrupt. He exposed all that. Bernie getting shit on was proof.

What about any of that is selfish?

The only selfish thing I took joy in as a result of voting for Trump and him winning was all the liberals and SJWs overreacting and crying after the election was over because a country run and dominated by retarded "feelings" and shallow unrealistic views of the world needed a good kick in the fucking teeth.

"You'll also find it hard to believe that most of my school was Trump supporters as well as the classes."

Sounds like an ok school to me then.

"Keep dreaming I will never go into the details of my work. Although I have before but you'll have to sift through TMA to find it."

I'm going to brag about my job and tell you how amazing it is and how privileged I am meanwhile shitting on the average person working at Walmart but I'm not going to tell you what my job is even though its somewhere hidden on the site and you need to go on a treasure hunt for it.

Completely fucking dumb. Why even bring it up then if the point was nothing more than to claim moral and social superiority? I would call you a Marxist but that would be giving you too much intellectual credit.

"Nor will I go into anymore of myself which will just be used against me in a complete biased and degrading way."

Bitch ass nigger.

"I wrote it myself."

Good job saying nothing but the same tired bullshit that everyone on the Left says. You really contributed a lot there champ.

"I'm not backing away from anything."

You've already backed away from a lot.

"Good job in turning that around though. Much like you did for everything I said."

Yeah, its called dismantling your retarded logic. You haven't defended a single thing you've said for the most part and every time I challenge you on something you back away.

"This is getting dirty and time consuming but I agree with you on one other thing. It's important to me also."

Yeah, the Left has been playing dirty for a while now and I'm a dirty, petty motherfucker who doesn't mind getting in the trenches, covered in shit and mud to batter down all the weak babies on the Left. I've given up my free time for weeks and months to learn and debate this stuff because its important.

"How does painting a racist, immature, amateur, portrait of America going to make it great again?"

Can you fucking lefties say one sentence that doesn't contain the word racist in it? Seriously? Can you provide one argument that isn't "Trumps racist".

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Ok, so it took a lot out of me to get through that first video you posted "What Everyone Who Voted For Trump Needs to Hear" and its just all the same boring shit, repeated by the left again and again. Its tone deaf, inaccurate, and baseless.

:10 mark: Yeah, only retarded christian people believe in creationism. Most people on the right don't. Sorry, try again.

:15 mark: Uh, most modern people don't have a problem with gays on both sides. Its just normal at this point. Sorry, try again.

:22 mark: Churches are white power meetups? What are Black churches then since church=racism? And then of course seconds later, not even 30 seconds into the clip we get "white supremacist" thrown in because of course we have to use these big dangerous words to make us sounds like were morally superior.

:30-40 mark: Of course the KKK is mentioned three times in just 10 seconds. Here we go again.

:50 mark: Racism, misogyny, homophobia, xenophobia all mentioned. We're on track at this point to cover all the buzz words that mean nothing at this point. Can't you people offer up any type of argument at all. Why is this worth watching at all?

1:12-1:17 mark: About 1.3% of abortions take place after 21 weeks. And an even smaller number most likely take place closer to nine months, I'll give her that, but to say that it doesn't happen is false.

1:20-1:25 mark: Correct, we don't live in polite america any more, we never did, but a more fuck you attitude instead of all the political correctness on the Left would be music to my ears.

1:25-1:27 mark: We don't live in a country where you can just grab pussies now, sorry, try again.

Ok, I'm gonna stop there for now because its going to take me at least another hour to deconstruct the bullshit in this video and I'm running out of space for characters in this reply as I always do but I wil pick back up later.

Feel free to read and watch any of the videos I've posted in this thread and try and argue against their logic. Doubt you will though.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by DARKFORCE on 11/30/16 at 14:13:59
XIZOR, I just wanted to say you've been doing an amazing job and you've shown how well researched you are.

The real kicker for me was when you mentioned Hillary's ties to Robert Byrd. It also doesn't help when “Black People Are Super Predators! Bring Them To Heel!” Said Hillary Clinton. Not to mention she kissed the Byrd KKK guy too, anyways, doesn't matter, because, Trump is still the racist. Seems like Hillary is projecting all of her poor image unto Trump in some kind of attempt to invert reality.

It also doesn't matter that former staff that worked in Bill Clintons administration have come out and said Hillary was calling black people the n word all the time and how she would get very violent and threw fits when she wouldn't get her way... much like on election night.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Toasty on 11/30/16 at 16:30:21
Why isn't XIZOR president?

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Skywalker on 11/30/16 at 21:01:07

Thrillho wrote on 11/23/16 at 09:21:01:
privileged people

did your parents pay your tuition? Perhaps a loan? Either way you haven't earned your shit yet.


XIZOR wrote on 11/29/16 at 05:22:51:
No I don't support my parents because my parents aren't worthless pieces of shit. I'll totally help support your mom though. I'll definitely give her at least 20 for a blow job.

So you guys are actually the privileged ones? Seriously wtf? Let me get this straight, You were born white, financially stable, good parents, and STILL feel disadvantaged and voiceless to the point where you had to elect someone like Trump?


Thrillho wrote on 11/23/16 at 09:21:01:
Haha the irony


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XIZOR

It's also ironic that you guys thought you were leading a campaign against elitist. Trump is an eltitist haha! Born into father's business and everything.

You get hung up on feminist exercising their free speech is your biggest problem? That's fucking petty. You'd take part in a presidential election over that?

Did you even know where your candidate stood on Climate? Because it's really bad, as bad as it can get. I get the feeling you were overlooking this.

I won't go into details of why I voted Hillary it's too lengthy. I was more of a Bernie supporter but I didn't like a couple of his ideas either. The biggest thing I disagreed with Hillary on was the 2nd Amendment but much like your argument for Trump not seriously deporting 12 million immigrants, It's ludicrous to think she would be able to fuck with the right to bear arms. Sheriff's and police came forth across the entire country saying they wouldn't participate in a gun confiscation or anything like it, and that's old news. I also didn't like how Hillary's campaign bought out Bernie's. If the people chose Bernie then that's how it should of went. But there's a lot to speculate here.

However Trump is still considering the mass deportation and surrounding himself with people with just that agenda. If such a thing were to happen millions of innocents would get caught in the crossfire. Can you imagine the catastrophe?? Just take a moment to think about this because this is a very real possibility that could be approaching us.

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XIZOR wrote on 11/23/16 at 05:01:46:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CISoGx8qzCE


Just like I thought the majority of your videos are biased. In this video the student actually did alright defending himself. Although I don't agree that just anyone should be able to walk in here but that's not how it is anyway. I like how he had his own stats that immigrants are actually beneficial to the economy but he kept getting caught off guard by the idea that "taxpayers" carry immigrants. This is just so prejudice and completely leaving out what other's (non whites) are experiencing in this country.

You come across to me as someone that doesn't believe in rape or you think it's blown out of proportion

You come across as someone that doesn't believe in racism and also think that's being blown out of proportion.

Don't believe in any of these issues that is in fact happening everyday all around you and with your wonderful president that endorses it all. You don't, believe, that is happening either.

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XIZOR wrote on 11/24/16 at 01:32:34:
Reasons why Trump won #1: Libtards who shave their pussy hair into the shape of an "H" for Hillary, even though shes gone and its over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzm1k3SsZAs
.

So fucking biased Jesus Christ. Using videos of stupid ass people getting trolled and rekt. Sexist too, but your Trump mentality probably thinks it's cool

I remember this protest clearly because it was the day after the one I attended. Women didn't walk around naked to attract attention and shave their pussy hair to H in support of Hillary. Jesus fucking Christ, and how many people here just thought this was funny?

Promote misogyny much?

This protest was mainly to demonstrate what will happen if abortion is made illegal by Trump. Women will be cutting babies out of themselves. There's already fetuses turning up in dumpsters around the country from frightful teenage girls, rape victims. Women assaulted by fathers or family. If Trump enacts this there be a baby in the trash can everyday. So quite the opposite from saving lives. Bet you didn't know that. Thanks for the opportunity though and glad to enlighten you.


"Her body her choice! Her body her choice!"

It is her body and her choice because she's carrying it and it's inside her

You claim and come off as a ladies man but you're not fitting the profile. Not being very understanding of women. It is in fact a different world for women than men and not in a good way and you're over looking this. I once thought the same way only a couple years ago but have come a long way since.

I've also noticed a lot of Fox News, CNN and all these networks you claim to be media puppets and not get your info from


Thrillho wrote on 11/23/16 at 09:21:01:
Haha the irony


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Notice the strength, good will, and open hearts of the protesters. I know we're doing the right thing. You should all be thanking us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JofNhstdJj8&list=TLGGdGvdvZzTJiszMDExMjAxNg&index=2

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 12/01/16 at 08:27:46
Oh. My. God.

I had hoped you would open up a bit on your beliefs Skywalker, but I had no idea you were going to go FULL Libtard.

Not true, I knew you would.

Well, grab a chair folks cause dis gon b gud.



"So you guys are actually the privileged ones? Seriously wtf? Let me get this straight, You were born white, financially stable, good parents, and STILL feel disadvantaged and voiceless to the point where you had to elect someone like Trump?"

Advantages or disadvantages have nothing to do with my vote for Trump and having your individual voice heard is essentially what voting is about.

Sorry my dad didn't leave my mom before I was born. Sorry my parents were smart enough to provide as best a life as they could for me. That's just being good people and doing the right thing but its stupid people like you that want to demonize those who have more than you because you think that equality of outcome is more important than equality of opportunity. "White privilege" is the laziest rationale for why life isn't fair and you'd rather blame someone else for your problems than take stock of your lot in life and then try and make the best of it. 

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here other than that you're sad and upset that the world isn't fair and demand compensation for yourself (even though you're white as well) and anyone else you think has it so bad for having a worse off situation than myself or others with more money or strong families who you claim have "privilege" and want the government to enact socialist laws and policies that will give you something for essentially doing nothing by being a whiny bitch with your hand out, taking away from those who have earned their money in a free market capitalist society because they were smarter, more skilled, and more aware of how to get ahead in life and how to succeed in America.

Having my voice "heard" through my right to vote, the same as you have, has nothing to do with privilege and everything to do with laws, policies, and a vote against the radical Left that has taken over America and created halfwits like you.

"It's also ironic that you guys thought you were leading a campaign against elitist. Trump is an eltitist haha!"

Trump was an elitist from the standpoint of having a lot of money but he wasn't going around dictating people's behavior and telling people how to speak and what to say. He wasn't influencing government or controlling anyone's mindset.

Our vote was against the Liberal elitists, the coastal elitists, and the media elitists which have brainwashed our youth and created a false view of the country and the world. They have lied, cheated, and covered up the truth in favor of a false narrative that can be summed up as fascism.

Do you see the difference?

"Born into father's business and everything."

Yeah, and?

"You get hung up on feminist exercising their free speech is your biggest problem? That's fucking petty. You'd take part in a presidential election over that?"

When did I say I had a problem with anyone exercising free speech? When did I say retarded feminists were my biggest problem? When did I say I voted against feminists?

All I said was that third wave feminists are annoying, they perpetuate misinformation, and try to play the victim card far to often when its unnecessary to garner sympathy from beta male faggots like you and lumped them in as one portion of all the annoying retard SJWs on the Left. 

"Did you even know where your candidate stood on Climate? Because it's really bad, as bad as it can get. I get the feeling you were overlooking this."

I'm not an expert on climate/global warming. I've already stated as much. I know what Trump said about these things, and unfortunately I don't know that I agree with him on this issue, but I've never agreed completely with anyone I've ever met in life so why would a Presidential candidate be any different? You pick the one you side with the most and vote for that person. That's how it works. You said yourself that you didn't agree with everything Bernie or Hillary said. See that. Same fucking thing. Here's a shoe, try it on.

Do you know where Hillary stood on climate change? Do you actually know anything?

"I won't go into details of why I voted Hillary it's too lengthy."

Haha, oh ok then. Yeah, when challenged on your own beliefs you once again back away because you probably have none. All you have is your boring regurgitated liberal rhetoric and your "feelings". Fucking pussy.

"I was more of a Bernie supporter but I didn't like a couple of his ideas either."

Yeah, you seem like the type that would vote for Bernie because you don't actually have ideas you just like when someone yells "I'll give everyone free shit" because you probably think the wealthy people in this country should pay for your bullshit because income inequality is not fair right?

Why did you like Bernie and what did you disagree with him on or is that off the table as well? I mean, I can tear down Bernie Sanders logic and ideas as well if you want.

"I also didn't like how Hillary's campaign bought out Bernie's."

You don't like corruption but yet you voted for it. But Hillary could do no wrong to most of you blind dumbshits. I haven't even bothered really tearing down Hillary in this thread because its too easy. I haven't even gotten into James O'Keefe's videos exposing all the corruption of the DNC and everyone associated with Hillary and the Democrats because its too easy and no one is even trying to really defend Hillary here which says a lot.

"However Trump is still considering the mass deportation and surrounding himself with people with just that agenda."

He hasn't really said a word about immigration since he was elected, which for me is a bit disappointing, but keep making up stuff like this to support your narrative that Trump is Hitler and that he's coming around with his death squads.

And who are the people he is surrounding himself with that are instigating this mass deportation? Name fucking one and show me quotes where they said anything about immigration, I'll wait.

Honestly, no one associated with Trumps cabinet has said a god damn peep about immigration after the election so I think you can stand down from DEFCON 1 until something actually happens...which it won't.

"If such a thing were to happen millions of innocents would get caught in the crossfire. Can you imagine the catastrophe??"

Well I don't usually sit around dreaming up preposterous fantasy civil war tales that would never happen like you liberals do, so no I guess.

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In response to your response to my "Tucker vs. Rutgers Protester" video:

"Just like I thought the majority of your videos are biased."

Just because someone's views, that are based in reality and facts, are different from your retarded logic means its biased? Ok. Let's go ahead and tear that down shall we.

When asked by Tucker who should we let in to this country the fucktard responds with "there is no line, we can let in as many as we choose". Yeah, that's right, we CAN let in as many as WE CHOOSE which to him essentially means, we let anyone and everyone into this country which is not how it works, sorry. We CHOOSE who we let in and illegal immigrants are not people that were CHOSEN.

Then Tucker asks if he believes that regular tax paying Americans should foot the bill on anyone who wants to come in to this country and whether they actually add a net benefit to America (which by and large they don't because they are able to obtain free healthcare, education, free welfare, and often times don't pay taxes themselves because they are paid "off the books" while also sending a lot of the money they make OUT of America back to Mexico or wherever the fuck to their families thus taking that money out of our economy), in which dipshit replies with oh I've heard different stats and those stats are biased (which basically just means I don't believe facts that are real and want to make up my own to support my narrative because I felt just in my cause because I want equality of outcome at the expense of everything and everyone else).

After that Tucker asks if American citizens should have the right to decide who comes to our country in which fuckface replies by ignoring the question and deflects so he can preach another one of the stupid baseless liberal fantasies that you've said as well in your last reply which is oh no Trumps going to come around with a deportation force to round people up and I'm scared for all the illegal people who committed the crime of coming here illegally, and I just don't want to see people treated unfairly because I'm such a pussy with my feelings waaaaah!

Then Tucker wrecks his world by asking if he thinks he has the right to lock his doors to prevent anyone from coming into his home in which fuckstick replies by saying that its not really a direct analogy (even though it totally is) and that a sovereign state is different from and individual (which it really isn't and I'll use that to tear your bullshit beliefs down further in just one second).


Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 12/01/16 at 08:27:52
From there its clear this shitstain can't argue with real logic and things just fall part and then he goes on to say "SLAVERY" because you idiots always have to fall back on these powerful buzzwords when you have nothing meaningful to say.

Then Tucker asks why do you think big businesses actually like illegal immigrants and its because lower wages means higher profits. And yet again, Fagatron Prime deflects to some shit about how he supports some bullshit cause that wants to help people and doesn't support big corporations at all and claims to boycott the very industry that actually supports immigrants...thus his in entire world is destroyed. 

So to get back to my point about how a sovereign state is different from an individual; you see, this is the problem with people like you; you believe that group justice is more important than individual justice. You believe that all immigrants are just a group and shouldn't be judged individually. What you do personally doesn’t matter as long as you are part of the group. In pursuit of the equality of outcome, truth doesn’t matter, because if the truth makes things unfair, then all of a sudden its a problem and doesn't compute in your robot brains.

I'll use the origins of the Black Lives Matter movement as an example: Michael Brown and the bullshit in Ferguson matter only to illuminate how truth was ignored in order to push the narrative that systemic racism existed in America. The facts about what happened, the "hands up don't shoot" lie, were ignored so that the Left could push their propaganda about how cops are racists and white people are racists, when in fact they had every right to shoot him but the individuals actions, Michael Brown in this particular case, didn't matter because all black people are killed unjustly.

Brute force group think and behavior, despite any and all despicable actions of the individuals in said group along the way, is permissible so long as it achieves fairness in the end. You don't care how taxing and draining illegal immigrants are to you and every other US citizen as long as everyone can come here.

A governmental example of this is Obamacare which is essentially forcing healthcare on everyone, despite how much it actually hurts some along the way, but as long as everyone has healthcare right? Socialist ideas and programs simply don't work in a capitalist nation, sorry.

Now, want to try and argue with any of that logic? Go ahead, I'll gladly watch you drown.

"You come across to me as someone that doesn't believe in rape or you think it's blown out of proportion"

I believe in rape. I'm raping the shit out of you and your pea brain logic right now.

I do think rape is blown out of proportion so thank you for bringing it up because its another one of those third wave feminists talking points that has been blown way out of proportion.

The idea of what constitutes "rape" and "sexual assault" in the country is getting changed on an almost daily basis due to the supply and demand of victims that need to cry on the Left. At this point a girl could get drunk one night, fuck me, and then regret it (rightfully so) the next day and suddenly its RAPE!

SJWs and feminists love to make this seem like its a bigger problem than its really is and once you start crying rape at every turn, you know, just like racist, homophobe, misogynist, xenophobe at every turn, at some point it just becomes meaningless and instead of actually bringing to light those that have been raped and sexually abused or assaulted we now have to question every case with even more scrutiny and as more and more retarded, sexually confused people cry rape at the drop of a hat then those that are ACTUALLY raped get buried in all the noise.

I'll destroy your rape bullshit more later if you want but here's a video that will save me some time. Don't mention rape again unless you've watched this video and want me to further shame you, your choice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n3hcs_6jYA

"You come across as someone that doesn't believe in racism and also think that's being blown out of proportion."

I do believe in racism and I do think its been blown out of proportion BY PEOPLE LIKE YOU!

"Don't believe in any of these issues that is in fact happening everyday all around you and with your wonderful president that endorses it all. You don't, believe, that is happening either."

No, I don't believe there are horrible things happening around me at every turn because I live in reality and you don't.

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In response to your response to the "Katherine Timpf Attends Topless Protest" video:

"So fucking biased Jesus Christ."

What's biased about someone just asking questions? Seriously there isn't a single thing said by Katherine that states her stance on anything. You are a fucking moron.

"Using videos of stupid ass people getting trolled and rekt."

Yeah, because your ranks are full of stupid ass people that are great for trolling and getting rekt.

"Sexist too, but your Trump mentality probably thinks it's cool"

Here we go again with the buzzwords. What's sexist about this video? A woman talking to your batshit crazy protest comrades on the streets of NYC is sexist? Please, tell me one thing that is sexist about this. Name ONE fucking thing!

"I remember this protest clearly because it was the day after the one I attended."

So you remember the protest that you weren't at? I guess the hive mind shared its experience with you through an interconnected wavelength?

"Women didn't walk around naked to attract attention and shave their pussy hair to H in support of Hillary."

I mean...its in the video though...even if it was just one or two. You are saying something that exists, clearly, doesn't exist. Do you see now Alice that you live in Wonderland?

"Promote misogyny much?"

Where is the misogyny in this video? The girls taking their clothes off to appeal to male sexuality are the only misogynists I see. But please, show me where the misogyny Waldo is in this picture.

"This protest was mainly to demonstrate what will happen if abortion is made illegal by Trump."

Hmm, ok. Well abortion is never mentioned but I guess that's just biased editing right? So what you are saying is that if abortion is illegal then women will show their tits? Well, let's ban abortion then, pronto! See how dumb this logic is yet?

"Women will be cutting babies out of themselves."



"There's already fetuses turning up in dumpsters around the country from frightful teenage girls, rape victims. Women assaulted by fathers or family."

What in the actual fuck. Are you serious? How far gone are you at this point? This appears to be a massive mental breakdown. Please, show me one, just ONE, case of this to back up your absurdly morbid claims? You see, you don't get to just make up fairy tales and expect us all to believe them. That's not how the real world works.

"If Trump enacts this there be a baby in the trash can everyday."

Just so we're clear, you're telling me that women all over America will be cutting their stomachs open, ripping out unborn children, throwing them in the trash, sewing themselves back up or dying, because Trump?

Wow, that sounds like the plot to the next Exorcist movie or some gruesome gore porn trash horror flick. When you're done writing fiction would you like to return to the nonfiction world?

"It is her body and her choice because she's carrying it and it's inside her."

Yeah, I'm with you. And if you are so delusional that you think Trump is going to suddenly overturn Roe v Wade all by himself, or that abortion is going away you are so far gone down the rabbit hole Alice that I fear you will never return.

"You claim and come off as a ladies man but you're not fitting the profile."

I've fucked more pussy than you ever will but what have I said that makes you think I hate women? Please quote me so I can destroy you.

"It is in fact a different world for women than men and not in a good way and you're over looking this. I once thought the same way only a couple years ago but have come a long way since."

Yeah, being a beta male fuckboy might get you some pussy but I'd watch out; 1 in 4 women are raped on college campuses so that means that more than likely you are probably a rapist because after all who is doing all this raping if not some weak bitch like you who needs to saddle up to retarded girls with low self esteem that would love to say you raped them if they didn't cum.

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In response to that dumb as fuck video you posted with "KKK" as the first word (even though there is no proof that this person is a member of the KKK based on that video and the fact that there is no comments or information below to support it...but you guys don't deal in facts now do ya?

"Notice the strength, good will, and open hearts of the protesters. I know we're doing the right thing. You should all be thanking us."

I just see a bunch of masked idiots shooting birds and acting like degenerates. I'm not sure what message this video is supposed to convey other than to just support my points more clearly.

Then you have some old fuck, on your side, saying that he was having sex with a porn star. Seems like a lot of people on drugs. If this is all you can offer up to prove a point then your side will lose this fight in perpetuity.

For a Final Thoughts of sorts I'll just offer up this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/opinion/sunday/the-end-of-identity-liberalism.html?_r=1

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by †Adonael on 12/01/16 at 10:18:39
"There's already fetuses turning up in dumpsters around the country from frightful teenage girls, rape victims. Women assaulted by fathers or family."

What in the actual fuck. Are you serious? How far gone are you at this point? This appears to be a massive mental breakdown. Please, show me one, just ONE, case of this to back up your absurdly morbid claims? You see, you don't get to just make up fairy tales and expect us all to believe them. That's not how the real world works.

Every prom night since the sixties.

This has happened way before Trump and will continue to happen. It really has nothing to do with it, but of course, gotta blame someone right?

Are you a dumpster baby skywalker? is that where all this is coming from?

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Magnum on 12/01/16 at 11:54:42
All I can say is wow.

There is a reason he has a belt called "Winning"

At least Nightshade was very intellectual about every point he wrote out in defense. to bad he's bowed out. He's actually a really great guy, and irregardless of who he voted for, he made great points. It's a shame Xizor's biting sarcasm sometimes has to much venom in it.

YOU NEED TO TAME THAT SHIT!!! 

I'm just a fucking clown crashing this shit here and there because this is quite entertaining. Especially now. Before it it was sorta like falling asleep in class, and now all of a sudden it's "DUMPSTER BABY TIME" and I'm over here like..........I didn't fuck her.......I swear....   

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Mecit on 12/01/16 at 13:36:27
Trump made TMA great again.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 12/01/16 at 17:24:16
"Are you a dumpster baby skywalker? is that where all this is coming from?"

Haha, he shall hence forth be referred to as "Dumpster Baby".



"At least Nightshade was very intellectual about every point he wrote out in defense. to bad he's bowed out. He's actually a really great guy, and irregardless of who he voted for, he made great points."

Yeah, unfortunately I was all over the place in the beginning of this thread trying to talk about too many things at once. Me and Night actually had a private conversation on Steam a couple weeks ago that I wish could have just happened on here because it was a lot more direct and productive. There were never any hard feelings though, I love Night.

"It's a shame Xizor's biting sarcasm sometimes has to much venom in it."

I just like to play things up for the cameras sometimes and inject a bit more "asshole" for fun. I'm like the evil version of Stephen Colbert doing his Bill O'Reily character.

I was actually always arguing against people like Skywalker, which has singlehandedly validated everything I've said about how these new liberals and SJWs are ridiculous and what I think is a huge problem in this country because people like Skywalker exist in the millions. These are millennials. This bullshit rhetoric is what they are learning in their safe spaces. These are the people who are going to be graduating from colleges with degrees and coming into the workforce to work alongside us or maybe even above us. Their belief structure is dangerous as we've already seen because they won't play fair, they aren't rational, and they will just get you fired simply because you "offend" them or don't agree with them.

Nightshade doesn't think these radical people like Skywalker matter and maybe they don't in the end because they're just retarded young adults, but I do think they matter and have way too much sway in society, which is where the two of us were butting heads.

I mean, these people are even sick enough to kick their own children out of the house for supporting Trump (makes me laugh every time):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtlzPUtyBnI

The ironic thing is that these lefties love to scream homoPHOBE, xenoPHOBE, islamoPHOBE; all the words with PHOBE in them when they are the ones that are actually the phobes that are scared of everything. They are realityphobes who can't handle the real world and instead create a fake one, which honestly is a lot more frightening than the one we actually live in. This breeds all sorts of irrational behavior, misinformation, and lies.

As we've seen post election, who are the people causing the most problems? No one on the right. And most if not all of those who were trying to claim they were assaulted or harmed by racist Trump supporters after the elections have been proven false. Yes, these people actually try and generate their own hate crimes against themselves to support their narrative.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/10719/muslim-college-student-says-trump-supporters-amanda-prestigiacomo

http://www.dailywire.com/news/11082/shock-another-pro-trump-hate-crime-turned-out-be-amanda-prestigiacomo

Here are some of the hate crimes of the left:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/10841/x-videos-leftists-attacking-trump-supporters-amanda-prestigiacomo

http://www.dailywire.com/news/11206/tolerance-alert-navy-vets-home-touched-vandalized-amanda-prestigiacomo

Adam Carolla lays its all out here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmK0GWsXg2g





Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Skywalker on 12/02/16 at 08:43:44
I want to be clear on the BLM. Of course you'll say I'm going backwards on it. I can't go backwards on something I haven't mentioned yet, but go ahead do your thing.

It's around 50/50 on the just shootings. I don't stand up and start screaming abolishing without knowing facts. I didn't even get riled up with any of this but I did follow the stories. In fact I really hated these people for rioting and all that nonsense BEFORE they got a verdict. I believe if the system found the cop not guilty then that's fine.

I actually have a lot of respect for police and authority. I'm happy to see them everywhere when I go to NYC. They're the first I go to for directions and if something does happen there's a cop every 20 feet.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n3hcs_6jYA
This guy is such a pansy dipshit. You know he didn't get laid for most his life? Of course he's going to think this way and say this type of shit. I don't blame the guy for lacking in the department but to go around making videos pushing this type of shit is wrong. Denying the problem is part of the problem. I bet you ignore local reports of rape. In one ear and out the other. Or you probably make up some shit to justify it, and that's just sickening. I bet your first reaction to a rape claim is denial on every level. God forbid if a female ever tries to confide in you.

Ugh, it's so infectious and toxic to be around people like this. That don't believe it's a real issue because they don't know anyone it's happened to. So in their confined little world, these things are just a joke.




http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Police-UAlbany-woman-raped-in-dorm-room-10148607.php
Hey look another rape case I just made up. Yeah it's all fake. And what's this??? the date is only a month ago??? And what's this??? It's one of the local schools I'm going to???




https://www.facebook.com/events/1819820188263420

Here's the flyer AND facebook link. Am I still making this up? When searching upcoming protests I saw one on Nov. Sat 18th and this one on Sunday Nov 19th. Check the calendar. I'm confused as to why you would doubt any of this. I posted personal video of attendance. You must be the one skimming and skewing posts.

But what does any of this proof matter anyway? Your blind hatred most likely already convinced blind followers.





XIZOR wrote on 12/01/16 at 08:27:46:
if abortion is illegal then women will show their tits? Well, let's ban abortion then, pronto! See how dumb this logic is yet?
 

That's your logic, and I agree, It's very dumb




XIZOR wrote on 12/01/16 at 08:27:46:
Please, show me one, just ONE, case of this to back up your absurdly morbid claims?


Here's your ONE morbid story, insensitive ass.

http://news10.com/2015/11/27/male-newborn-found-in-columbia-co-dumpster/

You know what really makes this sweet? This is only my local news! I didn't just go fishing around the internet to find the most relevant story like the likes of you would. No, this is a real local story I drive by this gas station everyday and saw the caution tape that morning. Imagine If I was to do a google search across the country.

What do you really have to say about this??? I'm proving you wrong and what the fuck are you going to do about it? I know, hit google, twitter, and facebook for next 18 hours. Because those are real outlets for professional reporting.... Just like FOX News (80% of your videos), which is notoriously known for is conservative bias. Were you aware of that? Because if you weren't you are one of these mindless puppets you speak of.

Your gifs are starting to look pretty stupid. And that first one is a good indication to what you are doing in your posts. Dancing around having a good ol time.


XIZOR wrote on 12/01/16 at 08:27:46:
PEOPLE LIKE YOU


XIZOR wrote on 12/01/16 at 08:27:46:
PEOPLE LIKE YOU


XIZOR wrote on 12/01/16 at 08:27:46:
PEOPLE LIKE YOU


I'm getting a good indication of the person you are.

Your world is looking very small and confined.

My experiences are based in the real world. Whereas yours is based on what? Endless searching on the internet?

I'm trying to help when I say this. It is certainly not a small world after all. It's a very big world you cannot comprehend the billions of people to meet and places to go. Having the world at your fingertips behind a computer screen is just an illusion. The real world and interaction with physical people is vastly different than the internet and television.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Skywalker on 12/02/16 at 09:14:28

XIZOR wrote on 11/24/16 at 01:32:34:
Reasons why Trump won #2: Liberals can't be allowed to create gay ass music like this. I mean, its like you guys are just becoming a parody of yourselves at this point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUwM47g-220


I don't care for that shit. Wasn't even that into it when it was a fad.





But at the moment..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KENa1cXU_qk


These guys too. All of which supported and voted Hillary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI5gYAqeu2w&t=341s

Some eye candy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GL9JoH4Sws

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDRA9n5GhQY&t=361s
Don't forget this


Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by †Adonael on 12/02/16 at 10:37:31

Skywalker wrote on 12/02/16 at 09:14:28:
I don't care for that shit. Wasn't even that into it when it was a fad.





But at the moment..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KENa1cXU_qk


These guys too. All of which supported and voted Hillary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI5gYAqeu2w&t=341s

Some eye candy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GL9JoH4Sws

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDRA9n5GhQY&t=361s
Don't forget this


Really? That's a point you chose to defend?



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I'm not going to get into a argument about black lives matters here because I am biased from my experiences here in St.louis city where low class used it as an excuse to burn buildings loot and attack white folks.

A lot of the older black people don't agree with all this Black Lives Matter shit either, because they lived through real racism, got some where in life and are not a bunch of whiny kids asking for a hand out instead of working for it.

It's another useless divide that there is no point  in having.

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Skywalker,  if you drink or smoke something green you need to stop. It's going to your head.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Magnum on 12/02/16 at 11:49:47
I'm not going to get into a argument about black lives matters here because I am biased from my experiences here in St.louis city where low class used it as an excuse to burn buildings loot and attack white folks.

A lot of the older black people don't agree with all this Black Lives Matter shit either, because they lived through real racism, got some where in life and are not a bunch of whiny kids asking for a hand out instead of working for it.

It's another useless divide that there is no point  in having.

I'm near Baltimore. I work in the city. I know and have many people that are my customers I consider friends. 90% of them are black I would say.

When the Baltimore riots were going on, they contained them to that area. I was on vacation watching the mob just break into convenience stores and liquor stores. This isn't justice for Freddie Gray. This is a chance to get free shit.

I was actually begging the mob to start heading south to the heart of downtown. I was begging them to. You want to make your point doing that? Wreck the cities tourist area.

Ohhhhh the city and state were ready for that though. The governor deployed the National Guard and guess where the bulk of them sat? No where near the riots but in the very heart of what makes Baltimore money. In the heart of downtown, there were heavy vehicles and armored troops to protect the cities richest area.

All the while letting the rioters move along at least 6-7 blocks of city streets burning their own neighborhoods because fuck it. 80% of it is boarded up and abandoned anyway.

I'll also tell you that a lot of the older black people I know didn't like it either too. They remember Dr MLK and what he was about. They said the younger generation don't know what it was like, and it's really just ignorance.

I got to piss. Ohhh and one more thing....

Yeah, unfortunately I was all over the place in the beginning of this thread trying to talk about too many things at once. Me and Night actually had a private conversation on Steam a couple weeks ago that I wish could have just happened on here because it was a lot more direct and productive. There were never any hard feelings though, I love Night.

That's cool though. What I think gets lost is we've known each other here for such a long time that some cannot read between lines as to what is sarcasm or what is actually being serious. I could tell you guys weren't upset with each other but from someone who is new here and doesn't know, those conversations would look a little tense. 

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 12/02/16 at 21:39:58
"I want to be clear on the BLM. Of course you'll say I'm going backwards on it. I can't go backwards on something I haven't mentioned yet, but go ahead do your thing."

I never said you said anything about BLM. I've only used it as an example to show how people like you think and believe, which is irrationally.

"It's around 50/50 on the just shootings."

Yes.

In response to your response on my "1 in 4" rape video:

"This guy is such a pansy dipshit. You know he didn't get laid for most his life?"

What does any of that have to do with anything in the video? I guess since you don't have any facts or way to refute anything presented you instead just choose to throw around baseless insults about someone you don't even know. Pathetic.

"but to go around making videos pushing this type of shit is wrong."

So presenting facts that challenge someone else's ideas is wrong? Someone's opinion is only wrong when its different from yours because you have a very shallow view of the world.

"Denying the problem is part of the problem."

Where did he deny rape in the video?

"I bet you ignore local reports of rape. In one ear and out the other. Or you probably make up some shit to justify it, and that's just sickening."

Again, you have no facts, statistics or alternative information to present against anything I've said or that Steven said in the video so now you are just making up assumptions about both of us based on the strawman people like you love to attack. This shadowy figure who goes out of their way to do wrong and hurt people every chance they get.

"That don't believe it's a real issue because they don't know anyone it's happened to. God forbid if a female ever tries to confide in you."

I had a close friend that was raped, and guess what? She confided in me. Want to make any other baseless assumptions dipshit?

"Hey look another rape case I just made up."

When did anyone say rape never happens? Please, find a quote from me or, anyone that lives on planet earth, saying rape doesn't exist. See how dumb you are yet? Wow, you linked to a rape story, that really proves your point which is "see rape is real" as if anyone actually thought differently.

What do you think about rape and how prevalent it is? Do you think we have a "rape culture" in America where women are getting raped and assaulted left right and center? Do actually have anything to say about rape or are you just going to continue to make wild accusations about me and call me a rape denier based on nothing. What's next, you gonna call me a Holocaust denier?

"When searching upcoming protests I saw one on Nov. Sat 18th and this one on Sunday Nov 19th. Check the calendar."

Check my calendar for what? How does a protest prove your point or any point? If there is one thing we've learned in this thread its that people like you will protest the dumbest shit imaginable, like the election, because you think you are actually making a difference when all you're really doing is showing how foolish you are and how willing you are to waste your time.

But since you have no point to make, I'll just keep making mine.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/1tabledatadecoverviewpdf/table_1_crime_in_the_united_states_by_volume_and_rate_per_100000_inhabitants_1994-2013.xls

http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=317

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0mzqL50I-w

A discussion about how ridiculous this "rape culture" you purport to exist is absurd and dangerous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU0fez-dTUA

"Your blind hatred most likely already convinced blind followers."

Blind hatred for what exactly?

So, on to your link about a dead baby found in the dumpster, please explain how this proves your point? Your point was that because of Trump dead babies are going to be turning up in dumpsters everywhere. Well, there have been murderous stupid women having children they didn't want and killing them and throwing them away long before Trump was around so how does this link you posted have any connection with Trump? Are you saying I'm a dumpster baby denier now?

Well first off, Trump isn't in office and hasn't said anything against abolishing abortion, so if the girl in the link you posted did that because of Trump--which at no point was any motive or reason given for these actions--then she is just a stupid murderous shitbag that could have FREELY and WILLINGLY had an abortion but didn't. Trying to use that link to make your retarded point only furthers proves that you are beyond stupid.

Again, show me ONE, fucking ONE, case of a baby turning up in a dumpster where the woman says she did it because she hates Trump and couldn't get an abortion. I'll wait.

"I'm proving you wrong and what the fuck are you going to do about it?"

You haven't proven a single thing in this thread yet except the fact that you don't know how the world works. You're telling me and linking me to things everyone in the real world already knows about, so thanks captain obvious.

"Just like FOX News (80% of your videos)"

More like 10% actually. Most of my videos and news links have nothing to do with Fox News but its easy for a liberal to just lash out and blame Fox News because its "cool".

"which is notoriously known for is conservative bias. Were you aware of that?"

Wait, you mean to tell me Fox News is conservative/Republican? Holy shit I never knew that, thanks again captain obvious, any more world shattering common sense bullshit you want to enlighten us with?

"Your gifs are starting to look pretty stupid."

Hahaha. You have so little to say now and lash out at that you are attacking gifs... Yes, criticize the gifs, that will make you seem smart.

"I'm getting a good indication of the person you are."

A person who lives in reality and reads the news and learns about the world and has facts to back up his beliefs and opinion? Yeah, that's me, glad to destroy you.

"My experiences are based in the real world."

What experiences?

"Whereas yours is based on what?"

The real world. I mean, there is nowhere else to have experiences right?

I back up my claims and facts, you do not and have not. Your arguments are based on nothing but emotions and feelings.

And I'm not even going to bother responding to your links of terrible music. The Green Day link I made as a joke so like Adonael said, this is what you actually choose to defend? Shitty music?






Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Toasty on 12/02/16 at 21:49:01
It's the TMA swing of things. There's bound to be disagreements abound that'll rear their ugly heads now and then. It's actually a nice change to see two fairly intelligent members share differing perspectives to support their decisions. Unlike what Skywalker is doing, which is building himself up to yet again get owned again.

There isn't even any much of intelligence there, just blatant stupidity versus intelligence.

My judgment on Trump will be decided with what he'll do in the first month of his presidency. It's way too early to be certain just what exactly he'll do, it's only just words and more "I will" stances.

Liberals/Democrats better be buckling up, because your last month with Obama is ticking as we speak.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Skywalker on 12/03/16 at 02:41:30
Liberals care about everyone and everything. Conservatives only care about themselves and could care less about who or what is in their way.

You call giving someone a chance a hand out. How many times have you benefited from these handouts? I don't even want to hear the lie that follows.


XIZOR wrote on 12/02/16 at 21:39:58:
don't have any facts or way to refute anything presented you instead just choose to throw around baseless insults about someone you don't even know. Pathetic.

I did a quick check on him and that's what it said. I don't need to post links the guys name is right there. Steve Crouder. Please look him up, because you'll also find he worked for Fox News for awhile too. Just saying.

Here's some of my protest signs. They speak for themselves




Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by The Truth on 12/03/16 at 07:13:52
What in the holy hell!? Why does your sign have only 1 black figure on it? Why is it also near the bottom? It also looks like it is leashed and being led around like it is a slave or some shit. Worst yet being led around by a disabled white figure. Is that where you rank black people? Behind disabled people? Are you implying black people are lazy or stupid?

You fucking racist.....

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 12/03/16 at 07:44:29
"Liberals care about everyone and everything."

In spirit and perhaps in heart, but not in practice. 

You mean well, as I once did as a young liberal also. You see the world as corrupt, and it is, and you think with your new found courage and strength and what you perceive to be out of the box ideas that rise above those that have come before you that perhaps your generation finally has the answers to everything that is wrong with society, America, and the world at large.

You have the best of intentions and because you are a young person growing up and discovering new things about yourself and about the world you've somehow grasped enlightenment and what you perceive to be this undeniable truth. And with this refreshingly renewed, just purpose in life that you find intoxicating and invigorating in a way that nothing else in your life has ever felt so real and meaningful, you do things like protest, shout your voice loud and proud, and for a brief moment in time you believe that you are on the precipice of a new dawn, and new beginning, a better tomorrow; a world in which there is no more injustice or wrongdoing; a world in which hate, racism, sexism, misogyny, and a disdain for others and their differences of religion and beliefs no longer grips our nation and our world.

You wish for peace and prosperity and equal opportunity for all American citizens so that everyone has the same basic human rights and opportunities and that everyone shares and displays the same common decency and respect to their fellow men and women no matter what walk of life they come from. 

And then one day you realize that you are retarded millennial, your ideas are irrational, and that you and your feelings don't actually matter, and that everything you are doing is pointless and stupid and that you should probably kill yourself but you don't...

Then you look around at the world and say, wait, what's actually going on here and then you start learning how the real world works, how taxes, government, the economy, expenses, regulations, law, policies and everything that actually dictates how this country runs and as depressing as it is, you then start to understand how dumb you are.

And then you shut the fuck up. Because you aren't special or smart at all.

You aren't there yet though, but you will be.

"Conservatives only care about themselves and could care less about who or what is in their way."

The thing about the term conservative is that its become a negative stereotype and on the surface, especially when talking about politics, and seems really regressive, ancient, and dogmatic due to the fact that everyone thinks of it in terms of religion or Christianity and rightfully so in a lot of ways, but as the times have changed so has the ideals of such parties and institutes.

What I feel a modern conservative believes in though, above all else, is in individual freedom, free speech, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights: all of which this country was founded on. A lot of the radical religious stuff is starting to fade away as we enter a more modern open minded world and while some may still look down upon gays or whatever, I truly believe that the majority of the Right is willing to let a lot of this silliness go for the greater good.

There are some things that certain conservatives with never let go of, but honestly when it comes to compromise the Right is more willing to have an open conversation and give up ground on a lot of issues and topics whereas the Left has become as radical, damning, and regressive as ever and the hatred towards those on the Right is often times completely unwarranted.

There are always gray areas, but generally speaking conservatives aren't actually that selfish; they just prefer a more reasonable way of going about everything versus the absurdly iron fist way that the righteous authoritarian Left has now become. You guys claim to have all the tolerance, patience, and respect for everyone yet when anyone who has a different opinion that goes against the group think hive mind mentality of equal outcome, well...those people must be stomped out of existence.

The irony is that people are tired of this bullshit and that is why, I believe, Trump won against all odds. 

"You call giving someone a chance a hand out."

The problem is that often times if you keep giving someone handouts they just become lazy and dependent. Sort of like feeding a stray dog, they just kinda hang around waiting for more. I wish that the world worked in a way that everyone could come to the US and benefit and thrive, but at a certain point that just isn't possible. Its nothing against anyone, its just basic math at a certain point.

"How many times have you benefited from these handouts?"

What kind of handouts are you referring to? Other than a loan from a bank or credit cards, I don't recall ever receiving any handouts in life. I've worked a lot of shitty jobs right alongside everyone else just to get by...even despite my whiteness.

"I did a quick check on him and that's what it said. Steve Crouder."

Actually its spelled "Steven Crowder" but I don't expect you to know how to read at this point.

"Please look him up, because you'll also find he worked for Fox News for awhile too. Just saying."

Yeah, he worked for Fox News a while back, and? Is that supposed to be a dis? I'm glad you are doing some homework finally, but this hardly matters as anyone worth their skin is leaving the corrupt and unnecessary traditional media like a sinking ship.

Your last reply was short and boring, hardly worthy of so many words in response from me, but I guess you've just run out of stupid things to say and now you are drawing pictures that look like something a retarded kid with autism would draw with his crayons.

I mean I can only assume this seeing as how their are two people in wheelchairs in the second picture. I guess you assume that conservatives hate handicapped people as well? Are we handiphobes now?

Professor Mark Lilla of Columbia University said it best recently when pinpointing what is wrong with liberals:

The fixation on diversity in our schools and in the press has produced a generation of liberals and progressives narcissistically unaware of conditions outside their self-defined groups, and indifferent to the task of reaching out to Americans in every walk of life. At a very young age our children are being encouraged to talk about their individual identities, even before they have them. By the time they reach college many assume that diversity discourse exhausts political discourse, and have shockingly little to say about such perennial questions as class, war, the economy and the common good. In large part this is because of high school history curriculums, which anachronistically project the identity politics of today back onto the past, creating a distorted picture of the major forces and individuals that shaped our country.


And here is a more in depth look at what is wrong with millennials/SJWs/modern liberals on a deeper level:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbOeO_frzvg&t=9s&list=PL22J3VaeABQD8oW-mqWpKumeqglQCe6VZ&index=5

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by †Adonael on 12/03/16 at 12:25:52

Skywalker wrote on 12/03/16 at 02:41:30:
Liberals care about everyone and everything. Conservatives only care about themselves and could care less about who or what is in their way.

You call giving someone a chance a hand out. How many times have you benefited from these handouts? I don't even want to hear the lie that follows.

I did a quick check on him and that's what it said. I don't need to post links the guys name is right there. Steve Crouder. Please look him up, because you'll also find he worked for Fox News for awhile too. Just saying.

Here's some of my protest signs. They speak for themselves






The Truth wrote on 12/03/16 at 07:13:52:
What in the holy hell!? Why does your sign have only 1 black figure on it? Why is it also near the bottom? It also looks like it is leashed and being led around like it is a slave or some shit. Worst yet being led around by a disabled white figure. Is that where you rank black people? Behind disabled people? Are you implying black people are lazy or stupid?

You fucking racist.....



I like my women on leashes?

Oh oh no. I can see I am a conservative now and a horrible horrible person. Even if she consents and enjoys it. Oh no the end is neigh.


Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Magnum on 12/03/16 at 14:20:21
In spirit and perhaps in heart, but not in practice. 

You mean well, as I once did as a young liberal also. You see the world as corrupt, and it is, and you think with your new found courage and strength and what you perceive to be out of the box ideas that rise above those that have come before you that perhaps your generation finally has the answers to everything that is wrong with society, America, and the world at large.

You have the best of intentions and because you are a young person growing up and discovering new things about yourself and about the world you've somehow grasped enlightenment and what you perceive to be this undeniable truth. And with this refreshingly renewed, just purpose in life that you find intoxicating and invigorating in a way that nothing else in your life has ever felt so real and meaningful, you do things like protest, shout your voice loud and proud, and for a brief moment in time you believe that you are on the precipice of a new dawn, and new beginning, a better tomorrow; a world in which there is no more injustice or wrongdoing; a world in which hate, racism, sexism, misogyny, and a disdain for others and their differences of religion and beliefs no longer grips our nation and our world.

You wish for peace and prosperity and equal opportunity for all American citizens so that everyone has the same basic human rights and opportunities and that everyone shares and displays the same common decency and respect to their fellow men and women no matter what walk of life they come from. 

And then one day you realize that you are retarded millennial, your ideas are irrational, and that you and your feelings don't actually matter, and that everything you are doing is pointless and stupid and that you should probably kill yourself but you don't...

Then you look around at the world and say, wait, what's actually going on here and then you start learning how the real world works, how taxes, government, the economy, expenses, regulations, law, policies and everything that actually dictates how this country runs and as depressing as it is, you then start to understand how dumb you are.

And then you shut the fuck up. Because you aren't special or smart at all.

You aren't there yet though, but you will be.

That struck a chord within me. If I was my younger self back in the day, I would've completely told you to fuck off. Why? Because my 80's self demanded I tell you so. 18-19 and don't know shit. You think you do, but you don't.

Sitting here at 44 going on 45.....I would've beat the fuck out myself.

To be honest I have become responsible for what is wrong today. I have 2 kids I have battled with all their lives to make them understand what I didn't.

I have utterly failed with one, and the other is semi conscious but, like me at that age you still don't "get it" But with my failure with one is an example as to what has multiplied massively with society now. Everything isn't my fault, and I want what I want.   

OMFGLMAO @ Truth. I almost spit my coffee out asshole. Thanks.....

All I seen in the dumpster baby link is another murderous woman who didn't want a child and didn't want to register for an abortion. (I guess) And yes, that's been going on since women have been able to have children. No where in there did it say the name Trump, or place blame on anything Trump said, or use anything referring to Roe VS Wade. To use that article as a political spin to prove a point is fucking insulting at least, and inhumane at it's worst. 

The irony is that people are tired of this bullshit and that is why, I believe, Trump won against all odds.

With that statement, you can now see why I said what I said. I also agree there were plenty of fucking whack jobs on Trump's side as well but, it's the stomaching of exceptionally stupid shit I've heard for months that blows my mind because BOTH extreme sides shout so fucking loudly, people have had enough. His message was better. I guess.

I didn't vote for him BTW. I wasted my vote according you Skywalker so, please tell me my opinion doesn't matter. 

You all know how blatantly sexist I can be at this website. every single person that's been here long enough knows all the shit I have said and thought up.

That rape article you posted happens to mention that the perpetrator was a non-student that DID NOT GO TO THAT SCHOOL!!

Are we taking rapes by actual students that go to schools, or just rapes in general over all? Is it just because it happened on on college campus it makes it even worse and why your pointing it out?

So lets just not cry out about a woman dragged into a ghetto ally way. That rape doesn't matter because it wasn't on a campus.

You know rape is a choice made by an INDIVIDUAL man who's intentions are clear? Rape is not "Hello. How are you today?" Because your being nice and the young woman only believes you have bad intentions. Rape is not a smile. Rape is not "You look pretty today"

Do not........under any circumstances...say these things at a college campus. All men are rapists.

Do you see how I can spin that 180? Do you understand that now according to what every single person that got upset about Trump saying "Grab her by the pussy" is so incredulous about?

By all means jail me. By all means cast aside every fucking thing that you know (or don't) about me because I enjoy throwing my fingers up into a fucking vagina when I can because I'm a fucking God damn man. I am a vicious, evil, woman suppressor that only views them as sexual objects for my desire. Holy shit! forget the fact that I am an actual human fucking being with wants and needs too and holy shit am I a fucking pig for wanting ANYTHING sexually from a woman. I was taught that no meant no, and I have quite a few blue ball memories to remind me. I have also a huge % of declines than success.

And also completely overlook and ignore the FACT that every single female I had a sexual encounter with in my life was a willing participant wanting what I was offering. And because I adore the Female Species so much, they even thanked me after I was done and said how much they liked it.  

And some in society can't figure out why porn is so popular..... 

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Skywalker on 12/03/16 at 17:00:20
I'm glad because of me you can all be friends again. Anyone else want in on Xizor's council of yes men?

I'm suppose to thank you for your post but then you tell me to kill myself. I wasn't hoping on this but I was expecting it. As I said I'm getting the clear picture of the person you are, and you're the type of person that tells other people to kill themselves.

Everyone is infinitely different and can be learned from therefore I don't believe anyone should kill themselves no matter how far they stray. But you? Discard them. Throw them away. Surround yourself with everyone that thinks like you. Hmmmmm. Do I dare say it? Nope, no one is listening to me so...

This place is so sheepish. Get me out of here. And you preach individualism?? If that was true you would be more accepting to other's opinions.

For the record I haven't really been disagreeing with anything. You've been the one disagreeing with everything. Pretty much everything you claim I'm doing, your are doing. Your videos are meaningless because they're unfairly geared in one direction. Your direction. I've already proven this by exposing them. Just because Steve Crowder holds up a piece of paper saying this is FBI stats you just lay flat on the floor and get fucked 6 ways from Sunday believing it. I hope YouTube isn't everyone's only source here. God help us if it is. Or God help TMA anyway.

Also for the record I haven't been trying to convince anyone to join my side. That's up to them, but Xizor has been basically fucking campaigning after election, what the fuck..

Draw your own conclusions.

Or you can let Xizor do that for you. There's a sign up bonus!! You can be on Xizor's cabinet for the new TMA. L-M-F-A-O

It'll be all fun and games as you participate in rekking unwitting new joiners excited about playing TM. That is until you disagree with him.. then it's.. oh no, no. Fear of Xizor disapproval. Oh no, no. You remember how it was. Yup. Run along now conformist sheep.

20 years forum posting VS 3 years forum posting was my only problem.

No matter how hard you try I will not stoop and become a piece of shit.



The Truth wrote on 12/03/16 at 07:13:52:
What in the holy hell!? Why does your sign have only 1 black figure on it? Why is it also near the bottom? It also looks like it is leashed and being led around like it is a slave or some shit. Worst yet being led around by a disabled white figure. Is that where you rank black people? Behind disabled people? Are you implying black people are lazy or stupid?

You fucking racist.....

They were suppose to be holding hands. As a last minute fix I drew lines to connect them all.




Magnum wrote on 12/03/16 at 14:20:21:
So lets just not cry out about a woman dragged into a ghetto ally way. That rape doesn't matter because it wasn't on a campus.


I' appreciate it if you stopped perpetuating false shit like this for others to chew on. The point of mentioning local incidents was that it's real and close to home. I don't need to do a google search like everyone else does to prove their rhetoric. A google search that could come up with anything prejudice in whatever direction the most ads paid to be in your face. This is why google search isn't all that reliable. This is why internet search isn't all that reliable. My facts and incidents do come from my real life (NOT CRAP I FOUND ON THE INTERNET THAT WAS PAID TO SHOW UP FIRST. YOUTUBE RING A BELL?) But because of people that rely solely on the internet like Xizor, is why Trump won. Isn't that millennial behavior??


Irony is making me sick and killing me


And before anyone jumps at the opportunity, I get my news and sources from lets see, EVERYWHERE. All of them INCLUDING real life.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Skywalker on 12/03/16 at 17:33:41

XIZOR wrote on 12/03/16 at 07:44:29:
The problem is that often times if you keep giving someone handouts they just become lazy and dependent.


I'm living proof this is wrong. I long for the day you and others can comprehend such a thing.





List of TMA conformist

Adonael (absolutely number 1) and let's be honest, everyone already knows this haha!
Toasty
Magnum-----? (if you stand for nothing you then you fall for anything)
Truth


I know at the end of day it's rewarding to feel like you're a winner, but don't forget the world isn't just about you.

I intentionally excluded hellbent. Even though we disagree also and he might be preparing his own onslaught for me, he strikes me as someone with his own beliefs and opinions and stands behind them even when they're not popular.

Xizor strikes me as someone that switches to the winning side in efforts to perpetuate this facade that he always wins and never loses, which is such a fucking smoke screen and so fucking egotistical it makes me ill to no end. Someone that never loses never learns. If Xizor never lost at anything then he never succeeded either.

Hence why he only came out after Trump won. Hold on though, because if Hillary won he might be saying how he voted for her and that he was always a liberal and always will be. This kind of mentality brings nothing to the table over than how great Xizor is. Just read some of these posts. Xizor should be president??? Yeah everything would be great for Xizor, not you though. But you can gaze up at him from below in awe and amazement! Dick-tator-shit.





And no, I didn't just make this list of people that I disagree with. If that was true then Hellbent would be on it. This is a list of people with no real opinions that just flood to the winning side. I can speculate as to why but it's very degrading and since I'm not here for that I'm going to pass.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by The Truth on 12/03/16 at 20:17:22
Woah, wait one goddamn second. Don't you weasel away to your safe space. I want you to explain your extremely racist poster. Why did you think it would be a good idea to depict a black male being leashed around after what blacks and this country have been through? Also why aren't beautiful black females worthy of being on your precious poster? You made damn well sure you got the white woman on there. You made damn well sure you got the fucking white male on there ahead of the black male. Not only that but I bet $100 that black figure was intended to be a white figure. Then you realized you had not one black figure so you grabbed a black marker and colored it in to feel good about yourself.  You need to explain yourself because you claim to be for everyone but your doodles express your inner racist views.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Toasty on 12/03/16 at 21:05:28
Skywalker is intimidated by being put in his place. The resulting factor of his saltiness is the essence of entertainment for BOTW. The pseudo-intellectualism is in high levels.

I can tell this because XIZOR owned you so hard, you're just licking your wounds. Taking your damaged pride and acting all passive about it.

You boast about how your experiences in real life would gladly help explain your side of the story. Yet you continually fail to specify, detail and document these big-deal experiences. The chances are likely as to why you haven't bothered is because you probably didn't have any.

If retorting with youtube videos is a red flag in an open debate to you - how come you succumbed to it as well? Oh, it's because you're a hypocrite.

You came into engagement in this thread hoping that you'd come out triumphing with straw men and illogical fallacies. Not to mention ignorance and a lack to properly back up what you're defending. Hence, I can't take an idiot like you seriously. But since you're chalking me up as a band-wagon follower, the typical conclusion to someone who can't argue. Then I'd have to say my analysis of you is right.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by †Adonael on 12/04/16 at 04:27:46
Must not of read my post at all. I explained my beliefs which are somewhat different than Xizor, but apparently you can not read.

I decided to bring the rest of my post to your level of intellectualism so you could understand what I was getting at on a basic level. People like you who have unrealistic views of the world are pointless to debate with because there is nothing new to learn. It's all die hard liberal bullshit.

Debating with Xizor, magnum, or even hellbent brings some interesting opinions and views. This makes the effort of thinking about how they view the world and why they do so an interesting task to uphold.

Your views are too idealistic. Unrealistic. Doing what you are doing wouldn't help the masses or stop any of the crime that you mentioned from happening. The only difference is it wouldn't be put on blast on the media because DT wouldn't be president.

Dumpster baby, I know you were dropped on your head into a metal can, but listen to me. You need to go out and learn. Form a opinion yourself. Quit playing follower. Expand your thought outside of your metal walls. Start with learning all you can yourself and you'll understand why the liberal promise is a lie.


XIZOR wrote on 12/03/16 at 07:44:29:
"Liberals care about everyone and everything."

In spirit and perhaps in heart, but not in practice. 

You mean well, as I once did as a young liberal also. You see the world as corrupt, and it is, and you think with your new found courage and strength and what you perceive to be out of the box ideas that rise above those that have come before you that perhaps your generation finally has the answers to everything that is wrong with society, America, and the world at large.

You have the best of intentions and because you are a young person growing up and discovering new things about yourself and about the world you've somehow grasped enlightenment and what you perceive to be this undeniable truth. And with this refreshingly renewed, just purpose in life that you find intoxicating and invigorating in a way that nothing else in your life has ever felt so real and meaningful, you do things like protest, shout your voice loud and proud, and for a brief moment in time you believe that you are on the precipice of a new dawn, and new beginning, a better tomorrow; a world in which there is no more injustice or wrongdoing; a world in which hate, racism, sexism, misogyny, and a disdain for others and their differences of religion and beliefs no longer grips our nation and our world.

You wish for peace and prosperity and equal opportunity for all American citizens so that everyone has the same basic human rights and opportunities and that everyone shares and displays the same common decency and respect to their fellow men and women no matter what walk of life they come from. 

And then one day you realize that you are retarded millennial, your ideas are irrational, and that you and your feelings don't actually matter, and that everything you are doing is pointless and stupid and that you should probably kill yourself but you don't...

Then you look around at the world and say, wait, what's actually going on here and then you start learning how the real world works, how taxes, government, the economy, expenses, regulations, law, policies and everything that actually dictates how this country runs and as depressing as it is, you then start to understand how dumb you are.

And then you shut the fuck up. Because you aren't special or smart at all.

You aren't there yet though, but you will be.


"I'm suppose to thank you for your post but then you tell me to kill myself. I wasn't hoping on this but I was expecting it. As I said I'm getting the clear picture of the person you are, and you're the type of person that tells other people to kill themselves."

You are jumping to conclusions here. You immediately got angered at the fact he said something about you "Feeling like you want to kill yourself." Not telling you to kill yourself you twat. You completely missed the message because you are spending too much time being angry over the fact you are losing a debate on your opinions.

"For the record I haven't really been disagreeing with anything. You've been the one disagreeing with everything. Pretty much everything you claim I'm doing, your are doing. Your videos are meaningless because they're unfairly geared in one direction. Your direction. I've already proven this by exposing them. Just because Steve Crowder holds up a piece of paper saying this is FBI stats you just lay flat on the floor and get fucked 6 ways from Sunday believing it. I hope YouTube isn't everyone's only source here. God help us if it is."

A debate is a discussion of opinions. Both of you are doing as such. It's ment to be learned from and not a "disagreement battle." You misunderstand the motives. Statistics can be faked. If I only ask a control group of certian people a question, I can skew the results in my favor thanks to that demograph.

"Or God help TMA anyway."

You don't understand TMA and by your actions that speaks clearly.

---------------

http://www.tedmontgomery.com/bblovrvw/Endtimes/idealismvsrealism.html

Might do you some good to read. There's some Jesus garble but whatever. That section isn't really needed.

https://youtu.be/YdUQ3uznqA4

https://youtu.be/AVZ4wXlluzk

-----------

When I was younger I was very Idealistic. I had this hope that the future was going to be perfect. That we could all work together and make this world an amazing place to be, yadaydayda.

But life came into prospective once I became an adult and understood people better learned more about the world and how things worked. It stripped that unrealistic expectation of idealism from me. That doesn't mean I don't have hopes or a "Ideal" view on things, but the problem with it is what works for one doesn't work for all. Our individuality doesn't allow for that.

It's not bad to have a Ideal view, but you need to be realistic and open up your mind to not just think about what works for you. You have to have the ability to understand the human condition and how and why other people work the way they do.

Once you understand that, you'll be able to look at things more rationally.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 12/04/16 at 06:10:14
"I'm suppose to thank you for your post but then you tell me to kill myself."

I didn't tell you to kill yourself. I said that one day when you sober up to reality and realize how ridiculous you've been acting and how absurd all the things you believe about the world are revealed to be a lie and that you are nothing but a worthless turd that at that point the crushing reality of your life might just be enough that you'd want to end it all.

"I don't believe anyone should kill themselves no matter how far they stray. But you? Discard them. Throw them away."

Throw you away like the dumpster baby you are, yes.

"And you preach individualism?? If that was true you would be more accepting to other's opinions."

You can have whatever opinions you want, I'm just going to point out how stupid they are.

"For the record I haven't really been disagreeing with anything."

Oh so you DO agree with everything I've said, cool, welcome to the Right sir. I mean, it is called the "Right" for a reason.

"Your videos are meaningless because they're unfairly geared in one direction."

Yeah, the truth hurts sometimes. You'll get used to it.

"I've already proven this by exposing them."

You haven't proven anything. When did you even attempt to refute my arguments or present your own facts? Never.

"Just because Steve Crowder holds up a piece of paper saying this is FBI stats you just lay flat on the floor and get fucked 6 ways from Sunday believing it."

He backs up all his stuff on his website. I posted a direct link to the FBI stats he was talking about so you can read them yourself or you can just keep crying about everything.

"but Xizor has been basically fucking campaigning after election, what the fuck.."

Says the guy that's out there still protesting an election that was over more than two weeks ago with signs that say "I voted Hillary" as if it fucking matters.

"It'll be all fun and games as you participate in rekking unwitting new joiners excited about playing TM."

Been doing that for over a decade already, son.

"I don't need to do a google search like everyone else does to prove their rhetoric"

So, you didn't use google for the links you posted? Not sure if serious? If serious, you should probably start using to google to at least help you make an argument for why you feel the way you do because you alone aren't helping your cause one bit. Then again, everything you have posted has just been a complete waste of time.

"A google search that could come up with anything prejudice in whatever direction the most ads paid to be in your face. This is why google search isn't all that reliable. This is why internet search isn't all that reliable. My facts and incidents do come from my real life (NOT CRAP I FOUND ON THE INTERNET THAT WAS PAID TO SHOW UP FIRST. YOUTUBE RING A BELL?) But because of people that rely solely on the internet like Xizor, is why Trump won. Isn't that millennial behavior??"

My god, now you just sound like a crazy conspiracy theorist. We are debating on a forum on the internet. I'm not sure why I shouldn't use sources on the internet to back up my opinion on things since, you know, we're on the internet.

I guess you just don't know how google and the internet works because you see, when you do actually research and cross reference things and vet your sources, you can find any and all information you need. Have you never done research for school?

And if using the internet is unreliable what am I supposed to do? Mail you some newspaper clippings or go down to the local library and print you off some information to prove my point?

And what do you think I do all day, just sit behind a computer screen and never go outside? My job requires me to do a lot of driving so I'm out in the real world for about 10-12 hours a day meeting all kinds of people, and sometimes if it feels natural, talking to them about politics and getting a lay of the land about how people feel about the state of the country in my neck of the woods.

When I'm driving around I listen to all sorts of political podcasts and talk radio. When I have brief periods of down time I'm reading the news on my phone. When I get home I'm either watching youtube videos about politics or listening to college professors talk about various things, learning and doing research and listening to what others have to say.

If I'm not doing that I'm on TMA debating politics with you or someone else and usually before I go to bed I watch some Vice News or Bill Maher on HBO.

So I'd say a huge chunk of my time actually goes into knowing what's happening in the real world and I know for a fact that I'm more informed and aware of what's actually happening in this country than you do, clearly.

All you're doing is sitting around drawing up bullshit signs with stick people chain gangs and going to protests, surrounding yourself with a bunch of equally clueless dipshits that only succeed in being extremely annoying and disrupting society by blocking traffic and flashing their tits for abortion.

"I get my news and sources from lets see, EVERYWHERE. All of them INCLUDING real life."

Wow, you couldn't be any more vague or sound any more full of shit.

Me: The problem is that often times if you keep giving someone handouts they just become lazy and dependent.

You: "I'm living proof this is wrong. I long for the day you and others can comprehend such a thing."

I worked at a grocery store in the past. I got to see first hand how a lot of black people abuse government handouts over and over and over again. They come in, fill their buggies up with steaks and other expensive fatty meat products along with sodas, candy, and all manner of unhealthy and unnecessary food items that aren't essential for living and getting by. And the more children they have, the more money they get on their EBT card and the more junk food they can buy. And if it isn't EBT, its WIC, which they then use to buy any and all sorts of milk and fruit products, though rarely anything like baby food or formula.

Then they go out and get in their fancy cars and drive home only to come back again next week and do it again. I observed this behavior from countless black people (and a few white people) time and time again over the course of a couple years. After a while you start noticing a pattern; around 80% of the black people who shopped in our store did this exact thing. I think that welfare is a program that should exist to help people in need, but its clearly being abused by black people.

But this is what happens when you tell people they are victims and that the government will take care of them. They just abuse it.

I'll just top this off with a quote:

But the real objective of this is to make victims out of all these other people.  When you make victims out of them, you immediately turn them to dependency.  When you begin to become their champion in overcoming whatever it is that's against them -- and, by the way, what's against them is America! In the land of the left America is the biggest obstacle, and they make victims -- the left does, the Democrat Party makes victims -- out of all these people.  They immediately, therefore, turn them into dependent people dependent on the Democrats, dependent on government, and they also destroy, in my mind, an element of their humanity, because they tell 'em, "There's so many obstacles in your way, you can't possibly overcome them.  You can't become great.  It's not possible because of the bigoted and prejudiced way this country is structured." They tell people this, and people believe it. People believe they have no hope, they have no chance unless government or the Democrats are out there punishing this phantom enemy.

"List of TMA conformist

"Adonael (absolutely number 1) and let's be honest, everyone already knows this haha!
Toasty
Magnum-----? (if you stand for nothing you then you fall for anything)
Truth"

I haven't really seen much evidence in this thread that people agree with me on anything except for the fact that you're a huge faggot that is ill informed and acts completely immature.

Not many people have really taken too many stances on anything so I don't understand how these people have "conformed" to me.

"Xizor strikes me as someone that switches to the winning side in efforts to perpetuate this facade that he always wins and never loses, which is such a fucking smoke screen and so fucking egotistical it makes me ill to no end. Someone that never loses never learns. If Xizor never lost at anything then he never succeeded either."

I love when you make up these fantasy stories, especially when they star me as the hero.

I actually did switch sides this election, but coming over to the Right means taking a lot of shit from liberals and people I've known for years that wouldn't really understand. Honestly I thought I was going to get a lot more opposition here at TMA than I have thus far but I don't think a lot of the more intelligent members who would have taken me to task are around any more and I can understand if people don't want to waste their time arguing about politics on a video game site that's been dead for years now.

All signs pointed to Trump losing right up til election day so I never thought I was on the winning team except for in my heart, although with Trump winning it does sort of prove the theory that I'm always right and always winning. I just don't know any other way to live. I only know how to be the greatest of all time.


Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by †Adonael on 12/04/16 at 06:44:55
Honestly I thought I was going to get a lot more opposition here at TMA than I have thus far but I don't think a lot of the more intelligent members who would have taken me to task are around any more

Hey now. You want to argue about anything other than politics and I am on board. I hate politics. Shit bores me and it's centered around lies and corruption no matter who the candidate is.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 12/04/16 at 06:53:57
In other news, women at this university in Canada (because feminists, SJWs, and liberal babies exist beyond our borders) are demanding female only gym time because men make them feel uncomfortable.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/11296/university-students-demand-school-ban-men-gym-hour-frank-camp

You see, this is how it starts. Little by little you kowtow to these weak cunt victims of the white male patriarchy that is oppressing them, even in the gym apparently, and they just want more and more rights and more and more segregation because they can't deal with the real world. Sorry your pussies are getting too wet for you to work out looking at all these hunks but man up and use the same gym that everyone else has access to.

If you click on the link to the original article things start to fall into perspective. The first picture tells you all you need to know. You see, these feminists are always these ugly ass women with colored hair (usually blue but often times red as well) that are just mad because every hot guy in the gym doesn't want to fuck them, so they need their safe space work out time. 

Despite the fact that in the same article the author acknowledges that there are already female only gyms, that isn't enough, they need their safe spaces in any and all gyms because they are somehow a victim and special. Feminists have moved beyond equality and now expect special treatment.

Guess what femi-nazis, anyone who looks less than ideal or is out of shape feels shitty about themselves when they go to the gym and workout alongside these perfect specimens of fitness. If anything it should be a motivation for you to get in shape and be healthy. But no, I don't want to feel shame or feel excluded, waaaaaah!

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 12/04/16 at 06:55:32

†Adonael wrote on 12/04/16 at 06:44:55:
Honestly I thought I was going to get a lot more opposition here at TMA than I have thus far but I don't think a lot of the more intelligent members who would have taken me to task are around any more

Hey now. You want to argue about anything other than politics and I am on board. I hate politics. Shit bores me and it's centered around lies and corruption no matter who the candidate is.


Well, we did used to have a lot of political debates on TMA back in the day but like I said, most of those people are not here now. I'll move on to other topics at some point, though I'm very passionate about these things right now and want to expose what I think are the most harmful elements of our current culture: SJWs, feminists, and liberals.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Magnum on 12/04/16 at 14:58:29
Magnum-----? (if you stand for nothing you then you fall for anything)

Wait.......whaa??? Your actually serious? By your last reply, you apparently are.

What......in.....the....actual.........fuck.  :o

So to keep this short and sweet because apparently I do hold no opinion, and stand for nothing obviously.....I'm just going to hang around and throw buckets of shit into this conversation every chance I get.

I' appreciate it if you stopped perpetuating false shit like this for others to chew on.

Holy fucking shit man. You are amazing.

Your taking rape at your school and how much of a huge problem it is. Like a college campus is the only place a rape will happen. You put that dumpster baby link up because "Trump" and I responded. Did you not read ANYTHING I have written this entire thread?

Hey guys. I'm going to go back to sucking Xizor's dick because.......ya know.......Xizor is just this Alpha male I can't get enough of, and his charisma and ego just make my man-vagina (asshole for those ignorant) wet.

Tootles!!

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Skywalker on 12/04/16 at 16:46:32

The Truth wrote on 12/03/16 at 20:17:22:
Woah, wait


Toasty wrote on 12/03/16 at 21:05:28:
Skywalker is int


†Adonael wrote on 12/04/16 at 04:27:46:
Must not of


XIZOR wrote on 12/04/16 at 06:10:14:
I didn't


If nothing else hopefully I did some reverse psychology and encouraged you to be better people




Xizor

So you're not telling me to kill myself, just encouraging the notion. Same thing dumbass.

Sorry to disappoint but I'll never kill myself. I don't believe in that sort of thing. You see, because that is the most selfish act a person can do. This would be more in your territory, not mine.

I'm not going to kill myself but I will step away from this place. I can't see coming back here to check on the latest post of Xizor degrading women and the yes train that follows, and anyone to challenge immediately gets silenced. I can't see coming back to a depressing hell hole that will just contain more hate.


XIZOR wrote on 12/04/16 at 06:10:14:
I just don't know any other way to live. I only know how to be the greatest of all time.


For a 40 something year old to have this mentality is a failure.

I can see it now. Xizor at 65 with a oxygen tank, putting hands up yelling "YES I destroyed the newest TM member! I'm a winner" in a dark room with a red glow emitting from the font on the tma screen.

Actually I hope I'm wrong about this. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. My feeling's now switch to apathy.

Think reverse psychology

Don't worry about me I'll be fine, It's the best time. I have my work, school, and new girlfriend. All incredibly supportive. If I didn't have any of this and was a weak minded bitch I would have caved and agreed with Xizor.

She's 26, Chinese, absolutely hot and fascinating. She's real special this one. Apparently we had been going to the same protests but really connected through Facebook. I didn't even know what she looked like because she doesn't post any pics. I was bracing for the worst when we finally decided to meet, and oh my god I couldn't believe my luck. Super hot face and great figure. It's almost as if god, or whatever forces, placed her in front of me as a way of saying "You're doing the right thing, keep up the good work" Her whole family came here from China a few years ago. She has 4 sisters. Fascinating people. She's also wondering what the hell I'm doing right now. I told her it's nothing important. Not anymore.


I will apologize to the Walmart workers. Not entirely though. Most jobs in the food and service sector should be 'first jobs', like McDonalds.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Toasty on 12/04/16 at 17:06:10

Skywalker wrote on 12/04/16 at 16:46:32:
...


God you're such an ignorant millennial. Thanks for being an example of the increasing problem in society.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by The Truth on 12/04/16 at 18:54:04

Skywalker wrote on 12/04/16 at 16:46:32:
I'm not going to kill myself but I will step away from this place. I can't see coming back here to check on the latest post of Xizor degrading women and the yes train that follows, and anyone to challenge immediately gets silenced. I can't see coming back to a depressing hell hole that will just contain more hate.


Yea, that is right you little closet racist bitch. Run away to your safe space. There is plenty hot cocoa and therapy dogs to help you replenish so you can handle the real world.

I would also like to apologize for Xizor raping you repeatedly because you can't make a single intelligent point and regurgitate typical liberal millennial propaganda. Most of the time I didn't know whether to just keep reading or dial 911.

Also don't worry about Xizor "degrading women", You won't see any more. You were both his first and last victim once you return to your safe space.

Now you can fully focus on making racist posters to cry and block traffic as you protest democracy. Feel free to stop in on January 20, 2017 and let us know how it worked out for you.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 12/05/16 at 05:10:48
"The Truth wrote:
Woah, wait

Toasty wrote:
Skywalker is int

†Adonael wrote
Must not of

XIZOR wrote
I didn't

If nothing else hopefully I did some reverse psychology and encouraged you to be better people."

What does two to three quoted words from random sentences in people's replies prove or mean? Those aren't even full thoughts or complete sentences that have any meaning.

But ok, let me try:


Skywalker wrote on 12/04/16 at 16:46:32:
Sorry to disappoint



Skywalker wrote on 12/04/16 at 16:46:32:
I don't believe



Skywalker wrote on 12/04/16 at 16:46:32:
I can't see


Oh shit, son. Reverse psychology on yo ass!



"So you're not telling me to kill myself, just encouraging the notion. Same thing dumbass."

You know, on second though you should kill yourself. But if you do you should do it to become a martyr for your cause so be sure to leave a suicide note telling the world you died because you didn't want to live in a world where Trump was president. You'll be twitter famous for like at least a day. Then your dumb protest friends and your chink girlfriend can blame one more hate crime on Trump.

"I'm not going to kill myself but I will step away from this place."

Go back to your safe space homo and color some more signs.

"I can't see coming back here to check on the latest post of Xizor degrading women and the yes train that follows, and anyone to challenge immediately gets silenced."

You'll be back. They always slink back because they want to hear the gospel that I preach. People like to study my technique in order to learn to how to succeed and win in life.

You or anyone else hasn't been silenced, you just got shut down. You can't cry when you come to a fight and don't have the stamina to go the full distance.

"For a 40 something year old to have this mentality is a failure."

You're about a decade off there sport, but no matter what age I am I'm always going to be winning because that's what I do.

"Actually I hope I'm wrong about this."

You're wrong about a lot. But return to this thread in 5, 10, 15 years and reread what you've said and what I've said and let's see if you still agree with your retarded logic once you've grown up a bit.

"She's 26, Chinese, absolutely hot and fascinating."

No one cares that you are finally going to lose your virginity, but I understand that this is huge for you. Just make sure she doesn't have anything to drink before you two have sex because that's considered rape and I'd hate to see you fuck up your life like that.

"She's real special this one."

Special as in retarded?

"I didn't even know what she looked like because she doesn't post any pics."

Probably because shes ugly.

"It's almost as if god, or whatever forces, placed her in front of me as a way of saying "You're doing the right thing, keep up the good work"

Oh lord, he thinks because he met a girl in the real world, like everyone does, that hes somehow on the righteous path, doing the lords work by making shitty signs and protesting democracy.

"Her whole family came here from China a few years ago."

Of course you would be dating an illegal immigrant. Shes only in it for the green card bro.

"She's also wondering what the hell I'm doing right now. I told her it's nothing important. Not anymore."

OH SNAP! Did you guys feel that sick burn? He said we were like not important and stuff. I'm totally bummed out now.

"I will apologize to the Walmart workers. Not entirely though. Most jobs in the food and service sector should be 'first jobs', like McDonalds."

But what about someone who manages a Walmart and makes 80k plus a year? Are they a failure as well?

Here is a song as a parting gift.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vx3_2ks5qQ


Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 12/05/16 at 06:56:12
A deeper discussion and analysis of what is wrong with people like Skywalker. We need to study and understand them in order to destroy them. These really are a must watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqJPFNj-JLo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjFzTDEgZzM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6CNiiMRsR8


Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by †Adonael on 12/05/16 at 08:51:35
"I will apologize to the Walmart workers. Not entirely though. Most jobs in the food and service sector should be 'first jobs', like McDonalds."

I've supported a family of three and had my own house (renting) while working at Walmart. Including a car payment.

People at Taco bell make enough money to own a house and several cars, that being they turned it into a career.

But no. They are failures and not helping society at all.

;D

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Magnum on 12/05/16 at 11:01:37
I' appreciate it if you stopped perpetuating false shit like this for others to chew on.

My mom works at Walmart. You just insult my mom?

He belittled my mom and labeled her like a low class POS person. He hurt my feelings. I'm now going to attempt to enter this "safe space" people talk about today.

I clicked porn again. Every. Single. Time.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by †Adonael on 12/05/16 at 17:35:19

XIZOR wrote on 12/04/16 at 06:55:32:
Well, we did used to have a lot of political debates on TMA back in the day but like I said, most of those people are not here now. I'll move on to other topics at some point, though I'm very passionate about these things right now and want to expose what I think are the most harmful elements of our current culture: SJWs, feminists, and liberals.


http://aristocratsofthesoul.com/complete-guide-to-dealing-with-social-justice-warriors-sjws/

This SJW link pretty much sums up my post on idealism VS realism since dialectic and rhetoric are components to such.

https://youtu.be/0I9Ld2Gwz88



How to deal with liberals.....






Don't forget to invite your friends.



Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 12/06/16 at 04:02:13

†Adonael wrote on 12/05/16 at 17:35:19:
http://aristocratsofthesoul.com/complete-guide-to-dealing-with-social-justice-warriors-sjws/


This link is interesting as it contains two of my favorite things; how to combat SJWs and cats. I didn't know someone had written a book on this topic. I'll need to check it out a bit more because I can't quite tell how serious the author actually is. It comes off a bit jokey at times.

I also don't completely agree with the notion that you should only use rhetoric or insults when dealing with SJWs over dialectic tactics. I believe in the dialectic approach of using truth, facts, and statistics alongside insults and rhetoric because I'm a petty motherfucker who loves to talk trash. I think both are necessary to educates, defeat and trigger these losers.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 12/06/16 at 06:27:30
The faggotry never ends. Another day, another example of what is wrong with this country. I love how this guy contradicts himself by using the words he himself claims we should get rid of.

New offensive words of the week are: Lame, man up, crazy, and even yes, politically correct.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MymqNmdxC6I

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 12/06/16 at 07:08:52
Michael Rectenwald is a professor at NYU up in Skywalker's neck of the woods who was recently asked to go on medical leave after expressing some anti-SJW views (mostly in jest). Further proof that free speech, and a different point of view from the radical Left is no longer allowed anywhere on yet another college campus.

I can't make you guys watch this stuff, but I'm going to keep throwing it out there all the same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8pZtIPMItQ


Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by †Adonael on 12/06/16 at 09:27:56

XIZOR wrote on 12/06/16 at 04:02:13:
This link is interesting as it contains two of my favorite things; how to combat SJWs and cats. I didn't know someone had written a book on this topic. I'll need to check it out a bit more because I can't quite tell how serious the author actually is. It comes off a bit jokey at times.

I also don't completely agree with the notion that you should only use rhetoric or insults when dealing with SJWs over dialectic tactics. I believe in the dialectic approach of using truth, facts, and statistics alongside insults and rhetoric because I'm a petty motherfucker who loves to talk trash. I think both are necessary to educates, defeat and trigger these losers.


I agree with you on that notion. Nothing better than slapping a mother fucker down with hard core sarcastic truth.

I don't know quite what to do with this video...So I'll leave it here because I feel like it belongs with these people.

https://youtu.be/q6RZZf6HMzo

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Magnum on 12/06/16 at 11:46:48
This is how it begins. Let pluck all sorts of different words, and find people that might get offended by it. And if they do, think about that for a moment. You just triggered a bad thing in someone.

I wish people would stop using the word "triggered" It offends me because it promoted gun violence in black neighborhoods. 

All because you didn't think about not using the word "nut" to describe the acorn on the tree outside.

And fuck you if you didn't think testicles. Lets use oddly rounded seedling from oak here on out shall we? That sounds educated. How bout we use "white privilege" for all those who run this entire motherfucker, and those that will take over in the future?

I'm sorry. We sure won't be putting any ghetto people in top government spots anytime soon will we? Why can't they have a slice of good ol' aMErica too? They deserve the same as EVERYONE because we're all so privileged to even be here fucking breathing for some deity born son sake ya know.

And I'm really trying not to be offensive. I wouldn't want to score verbal touchdowns here and make someone feel a loss.

We are all winners in life. Stop being a dirt bag.

I mean a sack with sand to dyke up flooding water. Wait....

NEVER MIND!!!

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Toasty on 12/06/16 at 15:57:26
More like, let's take words that already described one thing, then twist it around to mean entirely something different. Especially if that word doesn't fit the criteria.

Let's make up words to describe shit we couldn't before until we realize - OH! We already have a term like that!

I liked it when "Triggered" strictly abides by it's verbal use. Not because it's associated over someone's little feelings. Just bluntly saying "I'm triggered" makes you sound like a stupid cunt. It means nothing.

It's just another thing SJWs love to do, they want to re-write the dictionary to accommodate their asinine terms.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Magnum on 12/07/16 at 13:27:13
Yea. Fuck this shit. I'm going to the lowest common denominator, then I'm going to common core this shit. So if you need more than 3 numbers in my 2+2=4 equation, (and are anus pained over it) you really need to listen to this because it's VERY important YOU.......as a special individual understand.

Do not use Trigger/Triggered anymore. It verbalizes what gun violence stems from. All the deaths cause by illegal guns is what is promoted when this word is used. It's also VERY close to that racial slur disgusting white privileged people might say in private at a Social gathering. You cannot demonize the inner city blight with your disgusting racism.  

Please do not use SJW or, Social Justice Warrior. Warrior is a term used in conjunction with the word war. (possibly Hitler) Therefore, you are directly contributing and perpetuating active violence to another human being. Also look up "Wipe them out. All of them." (Emperor Palpatine cirica 2905) I also suggest we shouldn't use Justice either as that implies forcing your point of view on another human being and not allowing them to be an individual. Social is cool. We all like to be accepted!  :D   

I also recomend that we stop using the word Woman. It has the word Man affixed to it and may trigger........sorry.......remind some random Female about when she was raped.

We also need to stop using the word Female as well due to the nature of Man affixed to this word. I believe the appropriate verbiage should be either Wo, or Fe.

Not to be confused with the element Iron because Iron sounds masculine. This is also depending on if said human being even wants to identify as a Wo. If this term applies. We can all be constructive in learning new ways to verbalize the humans who have vaginas.

Since I'm on a roll, I think we need to ban the word Iron as well due to it's sounding of masculinity.

I also think that Vaginas should be banned too. It's to broad a spectrum to paint another human being as.....you know.... possibly....what they might be.

So also throw out the word Testicles because who the hell needs those anymore right? It's a disgusting word that might.....remind....a someone....of rape and masculinity, or might degrade another human being because they might feel they are.....well.....the opposite of the other word I can't use.

As a matter of fact, how about we all just STFU and be told what we can say so no human being can get hurt or offended because the general population is to ignorant to be sensitive to the rest of humanities needs. Please pander to me and listen to my voice because it hold less ignorance than yours.

Don't refute it either. I'll just go back to my safe space and viciously masturbate to porn. You cannot judge me for that.

IT'S MY FUCKING SAFE SPACE!! 


   

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Dim Shades Forever on 12/08/16 at 02:00:03
Jesus Christ. I just finished catching up on all that I missed. This dickhead is the liberal version of V-Wing. I was a liberal until I got my first job and had to pay these things called "taxes" and a "house payment". I still side with socially liberal viewpoints that it's not anyone's business if two dudes rail each other in the ass nor do I care if you snort cocaine off a hooker's ass. However, you have to be tolerant of the dude that sips on a can of Pabst Blue Ribbon, listening to 38 Special's Greatest Hits while he shines up his machine gun as well.

Being at TMA since 2000...the SJW's would cry if they read some of the posts that I saw go down back in the day. I'm sure a small handful of us here remember when that one poster (Mad?) got ran off the site after joking that he sucked off his boss at McDonalds to get a PS2 or some shit. He probably just called us 'dicks' and never showed back up. People still got pissed off or dare I say 'offended'....but we all had a thicker skin then.

The only time in my life I ever seriously was embarrassed by a TMA post was when someone put up a poll that had "Obama's 1st Year" as a choice on a poll asking people what made that particular year great.... :-[

The best safe space someone can claim is a space that involves a pair of balls and a backbone.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 12/08/16 at 08:19:03
You are desperately missed Dim, no doubt. This thread needs new perspective and input. I feel I've exhausted my point of view for now and are just preaching.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by †Adonael on 12/08/16 at 09:38:50
yeah I'd like to hear what Dim has to say as well. I was just going to reply myself and say he should get involved.  Things get stagnate with so few people.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Magnum on 12/08/16 at 11:46:25
Thanks for stopping by Dim. I knew you'd get a chuckle out of this. Or a scare. Either way. Thicker skin indeed man. We were made of concrete compared to today's dumb shit.

Skywalker had apparently left. I'm not 100% sure but since he hasn't responded in a few days, I automatically call Xizor the winner of this debate by default and Non-participation.

You know......because that's just how things roll here because people don't understand sarcasm anymore.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by NightShade on 12/09/16 at 00:14:08
Not getting back involved, but read this and made me think of you, so I figured it was worth a share:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/12/07/the-right-has-its-own-version-of-political-correctness-its-just-as-stifling/?utm_term=.7ccbd55ca2a5

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by †Adonael on 12/09/16 at 10:39:53

NightShade wrote on 12/09/16 at 00:14:08:
Not getting back involved, but read this and made me think of you, so I figured it was worth a share:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/12/07/the-right-has-its-own-version-of-political-correctness-its-just-as-stifling/?utm_term=.7ccbd55ca2a5


This is a interesting article and theres a few points I'd like to touch on:

1. BML, Covered this. I'm biased due to my exposure.

2. "Trump walking in on nude underage girls in dressing rooms before a beauty pageant is just “media bias.”
      A. What was the situation?
      B. Did he have his dick out? was he aroused? Did he do this for nefarious reasons?
      C. America is the only place that any kind of nudity is demonized. (Except for Islam and the sorts but we're not talking about that.)

3. Alien meaning: Foreign, Unfamiliar, Strange.
    Illegal meaning: Contrary to or forbidden by law.

Sooo if they cross the border, no matter the country, Logically they are Illegal Aliens. No matter the country. Deportation would be a lax way to handle Illegal immigration.

Canada:

" The maximum penalty for a person who commits such a general offense as entering the country unlawfully or unlawfully overstaying a visa is a fine of Can$50,000 and imprisonment for two years, if prosecuted by way of an indictment, and a fine of $10,000 and imprisonment for six months, if prosecuted in summary proceedings.[46] Crown prosecutors usually base their decisions as to whether a defendant should be tried by way of an indictment or in summary proceedings upon such factors as the seriousness of the violation, the defendant’s intentions, and the defendant’s prior record.

Most persons caught violating the general provisions of the immigration laws are deported or ordered to leave Canada. CBSA administers the detention and removal of illegal immigrants and persons who overstay their visa.  According to a November 2010 CBSA report"

Ref: https://www.loc.gov/law/help/citizenship-pathways/canada.php

http://humanevents.com/2014/06/24/how-do-other-countries-handle-illegal-immigration/

So why is it so wrong for us? Why?

4."Terrorism is an “existential threat,” even though the chance of being killed in a terrorist attack is about 1 in 3.2 million a year. Saying the words “radical Islam” when describing terrorism is an important incantation necessary to defeat that threat."

"People killing people isn't a important crime when it's terrorist. You'll get struck by lightning first."

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/11774-number-terror-attacks-worldwide-dropped-13-2015

https://www.start.umd.edu/pubs/START_AmericanTerrorismDeaths_FactSheet_Oct2015.pdf

The focus on terrorism is usually a world wide issue and not an American issue. It is usually something we do to help our allies with the exception of 9/11.

"1 in 8 million a year."

Only if you are American. Again We try to be the world police so we were focusing on a huge issue rather than just the one with our country. I don't like the fact he was not clear on that. In America it's not a huge issue, no.



Bonus round:

When it comes to the Iraq war, I supported it. You get bullied you have to show them who the real bully is or they will continue to try and walk all over you. Every once in awhile you have to show you are still a force to be reckoned with, BUT that doesn't mean you need to hop into every battle as some world police either. Balance. All about balance.


Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Magnum on 12/09/16 at 11:46:57
Dammit Night. They require me to give up my e-mail address because they won't let me read it for free!

What's wrong with aMErica? Why can't I just read an article for free? I shouldn't have to give up MY private information to get spammed continuously. I should be able to read free press anywhere and the requirement for my information is outrageous. 

It's almost like their being racist about it. I don't have enough privilege to read such a high class of news paper and should stick with my Walmart rack magazines like Star, or The Enquirer.

Now those press people know their stuff! Only because I read them for free in the long ass checkout lines with these degenerate people that work there ya know......

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by †Adonael on 12/09/16 at 15:21:06

Magnum wrote on 12/09/16 at 11:46:57:
Dammit Night. They require me to give up my e-mail address because they won't let me read it for free!

What's wrong with aMErica? Why can't I just read an article for free? I shouldn't have to give up MY private information to get spammed continuously. I should be able to read free press anywhere and the requirement for my information is outrageous. 

It's almost like their being racist about it. I don't have enough privilege to read such a high class of news paper and should stick with my Walmart rack magazines like Star, or The Enquirer.

Now those press people know their stuff! Only because I read them for free in the long ass checkout lines with these degenerate people that work there ya know......


There's my white privilege in action. Didn't need to give up my email.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 12/09/16 at 17:49:12
Patriotic Correctness is the same thing as Political Correctness? Give me a break. I can see how you could try and make this argument since, you know, I guess we need to imagine one side is doing the same things, just in a different way, as the other side, but I just don't think this stands up under scrutiny.

I think the main difference is that the Patriotic Correctness people are just expressing an opinion and have never really done anything major, like dictating speech or trying to pass laws to make these "unpatriotic" people pay for expressing opinions to the contrary anywhere near the level that liberals are now. I would also say that most of the acts committed by people on the Left that those on the Right would consider unpatriotic, at least those within the last few years, are the equivalent to a child throwing a tempter tantrum.

For example things like burning the flag. Now, its not technically against the law to do so, even though there are people on the Right who would like to believe that, and yes, even Donald Trump was saying these people should be punished, but he's not actually doing anything about it so what does it matter? Is there anyone out there trying to make flag burning illegal? Has anyone lost their job or been expelled from school for burning a flag?

Sure, you have a right to burn the flag, but you're just being a giant baby and being extremely disrespectful to all those who have served this country, fought and died, so that you have to the right to burn the flag.

Then people on the Left just want to say "well the flag is just a symbol, it doesn't mean anything because its just a piece of cloth". Well, ok, then I guess the swastika is just a symbol as well right? But they want to cry every time it turns up spray painted on a wall somewhere. Mike Rowe gives a pretty good argument on this topic here:

http://louderwithcrowder.com/mike-rowe-anti-flag-activists/

Let's deconstruct this article a bit though shall we.

"Insufficient displays of patriotism among the patriotically correct can result in exclusion from public life and ruined careers."

I mean, maybe you can find examples of this but none are listed in the article to support this notion despite countless links to backup other points. There are a few claims that people lost their jobs for one reason or another, but they aren't backed up by proof. Again, I'm sure someone could dig something up, but I don't buy that people are or have lost their jobs or have had their careers ruined by being "unpatriotic" on the same level we are seeing today whereas I have already given examples in this thread of people losing their jobs because of Political Correctness and the resistance to fall in line with liberal bullshit.

"It also restricts honest criticism of failed public policies, diverting blame for things like the war in Iraq to those Americans who didn’t support the war effort enough."

I'm pretty sure being against any war in the history of our country even going back to things like Vietnam has never been a major issue. People have protested and been against every major war for the past 60 years and its never been a problem as long as you at least support the troops. When you don't support the troops you are an asshole, period.

The Iraq war had its dissenters because a lot of the information surrounding our reasons and objectives for being there were a bit questionable in a lot of ways like the weapons of mass destruction that were never found and so on. But again, I don't recall anything unjust happening to people who didn't support the war as lots of people didn't for various reasons.

"For example, in the aftermath of 9/11 and the run-up to the Iraq War, David Frum labeled dissenters as anti-American. Jonah Goldberg wrote that opponents of the war “can only get passionate about the perfidy of our own president.” Conservative gadfly Robert “Buzz” Patterson went further, calling much of the Democratic Party, Hollywood, big media, college campuses and many other organizations “traitors.” The French government’s opposition to the invasion of Iraq prompted Congress to rename French fries as “freedom fries” in congressional cafeterias, a 21st-century liberty cabbage. When the Dixie Chicks opposed the Iraq War, many stations pulled the group’s music from the air so as not to “trigger” listeners. Fans destroyed Dixie Chicks albums in grotesque public demonstrations. The radio became a safe space."

The first part of this is just this person "said" or "wrote" this or that which is fine, its just freedom of speech.

The freedom fries thing, common? French fries weren't renamed freedom fries nation wide. I honestly forgot all about this retarded shit because it was never actually a thing. This isn't an example of someone dictating words or terms.

Now, the Dixie Chicks thing I can agree on it. That right there is bullshit modern liberal behavior 101. I would be more against it if it didn't end in the Dixie Chicks going away forever...and let's be honest, that made America a better place. The less shitty country music we have the better.

The Colin Kaepernick thing I've already talked about a bit before. This guy wants to complain and claim that cops are just killing innocent black people all over America yet he's fine supporting Fidel Castro and wearing Che Guevara shirts. You know, two guys that have actually killed lots of innocent people and openly hated blacks and gays. Kaepernick is a retarded child who doesn't actually know what hes talking about and what he's sitting down for.

Some people on the Right do think or tried to claim that the NFL demands players stand during the national anthem but more people were quick to say that was not true and that the NBA is the only sports organization that has this rule. But again, no one was demanding Colin stand during the national anthem nor were any actions taken against him for not doing so. The only opposition to this that occurred was simply people speaking out against it.

Adonael touched on the things I'm going to skip over right now for the sake of time. Today is my birthday and I don't want to waste it debating politics, especially when no one is really defending the other side at this point but I may return to some of the points later even though I've already talked about them at great lengths in the post; things like BLM, immigration, and radical Islam.

The only thing I'll say that is completely stupid in this article is the claim that all people on the Right hate that other languages are spoken in this country which is by and large not true. But I'm sorry, if you come here you need to learn how to communicate with the rest of society. That's just common sense. If you can't speak english then we can't communicate and I can't help you in any way. If I went to live in another country I would hope to be held to the same standards and try and learn their language.

"The patriotically correct rightly ridicule PC “safe spaces” but promptly retreat to Breitbart or talk radio, where they can have mutually reinforcing homogeneous temper tantrums while complaining about the lack of intellectual diversity on the left."

Not the same thing AT ALL! Let's be clear here; if you actually wanted to fully escape the radical Left's agenda in this country, you would literally need to live under a rock. So because you prefer to get your news from Breitbart instead of Huffington Post that's a safe space? Because you would rather watch Fox News instead of CNN that's a conservative safe space? I hate country music so I listen to rock and metal so I guess that's a safe space from country music? I prefer Battlefield over Call of Duty so I guess BF1 is a safe space from Infinite Warfare? I like Burger King more than McDonalds so I guess Burger King is a safe space? This logic doesn't hold up.

"Every group has implicit rules against certain opinions, actions and language as well as enforcement mechanisms — and the patriotically correct are no exception."

Wrong. Again, unpatriotic speech and actions rarely if ever are met with disciplinary actions. Choice of words are never regulated or dictated.

"The modern form of political correctness on college campuses and the media is social tyranny with manners"

Quite the opposite actually. Should I post the thousands of videos of SJWs and liberals interrupting countless Right leaning speeches on college campuses that I have on hand?

Go ahead and find people on the Right interrupting similar free speech rallies from those on the Left. Go ahead, I'll wait.

"while patriotic correctness is tyranny without the manners, and its adherents do not hesitate to use the law to advance their goals. If we have a term to describe this new phenomenon — I nominate patriotic correctness."

Ok, here we finally have at least one link to an article that is making a case that actions or violence against police officers, firefighters, and medical service people can now be considered a hate crime in Louisiana.

Well guess what? When you let the Left champion actual, real, observable hate against cops for almost a year now where people like BLM openly say people should be killing cops, then guess what, this is what you get. Yes, putting their lives on the line is part of their job, but that doesn't mean it should be open season on cops. These people are trying to serve and protect. It's not the same thing has refusing to use someone's made up transgender words and calling that a hate crime...because you know, their lives aren't being threatened by it.

This is Bill C-16 from Canada, but similar bullshit will be all over America before long.

http://www.nationalobserver.com/2016/10/25/opinion/opinion-bill-c-16-flawed-ways-most-canadians-have-not-considered

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Magnum on 12/10/16 at 14:17:13
As unpopular as this fact has become, a man or boy who wishes to identify as a woman or girl, perhaps taking on stereotypically feminine body language, hairstyles, and clothing, is still male. He still has male sex organs, which means girls and women will continue to see him as a threat and feel uncomfortable with his presence in, say, change rooms. Is it now the responsibility of women and girls to leave their own spaces if they feel unsafe? Are teenage girls obligated to overcome material reality lest they be accused of bigotry? Is the onus on women to suddenly forget everything they know and have experienced with regard to sexual violence, sexual harassment, and the male gaze simply because one individual wishes to have access to the female change room? Because one boy claims he "feels like a girl on the inside?" And what does that mean, anyway?

Generally, the claim that one "feels" like the opposite sex "on the inside" is connected to a list of sexist gender stereotypes: a boy likes dolls and dresses, a girl plays with trucks and cuts her hair short, a man enjoys wearing pantyhose and getting manicures, etc… There is no scientific foundation for the idea that sex is defined by a "feeling" or by superficial choices. One cannot, in fact, "feel" like a man or a woman "on the inside," because sex is something that simply exists. It is a neutral fact. Aside from having a mental condition like body dysmorphic disorder, the only reason one could claim not to "feel" like the sex they are, biologically, is because they identify with the gender roles assigned to the opposite sex. Key word: assigned.

I'm continuing my trolling. I feel I need to step my game up. There doesn't seem to be enough time to jester my way out of this. This mountain of shit is huge.

I really feel I should move to Canada now. I mean, when I walk into a woman's change room at the gym naked for a shower and they get all upset, I'll just have to tell them to calm down and stop being little ninny hens. I know I will be erect but, I always feel like a lesbian because I love women so much. I Identify with being a woman in a sense because there is no way I would ever have a sexual encounter with a male. Men are disgusting and the only way one would get me is if he raped me. A woman is a beautiful thing to behold because they come in all sorts of shapes, sizes and colors. I desire to have the opportunity to enter any woman's change room or bathroom to be able to express just how much I do. I mean, women now have the opportunity to waltz into a men's room and squat right? That's equality. No way a man would exploit a woman in a men's room. Totally irrational fear.  

And while we are at it, I would love to find out how many "females" would ever have the "balls" to enter naked into a men's change room or bathroom because they "identify" as "male" As a matter of fact, I would guarantee you that if any did, they are probably the ugliest "females" you've ever seen.

WWWWWHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOLD UP ASSHOLE!!

Women are socialized, from the time they are born, to prioritize the feelings and comfort of everyone else but themselves. We learn that our boundaries will not be respected by men, as we are talked over, leered at, cat called, groped, and raped. Girls' images are constantly being shared electronically by boys and men alike, against their will. There is a real fear that images of our bodies will be put online in order to exploit and degrade us.

Our fears of men are justified, proven over and over again to be (sadly) rational, not irrational. That is something that needs to be respected, not treated as bigoted or hysterical. Society has disregarded women's feelings, concerns, and safety for long enough.

Lets get something fucking strait. You can go anywhere on the internet, or snap chat, or fucking Tinder, or where ever, and find females flaunting their shit to attract men. I'm pretty sure the question send dick pics is way lower than send nudes. Like I'm really going to respect the fuck out a chick who is choking a dick in porn. Or taking it in all three holes at the same time while 5 more are on the sideline waiting. 

If women are so fucking uptight about being "exploited" by being being naked on the internet........maybe you shouldn't fucking post nudes or do porn? How about we make sure no woman ever puts up another questionable photo on the internet ever again to make sure women's rights and selves are not exploited. No more nudes. No more skimpy clothes bending over. No open blouses. Lets get back to cirica 1800's in dress code. Better yet. All women should wear Burka's.

If your that paranoid about a dick being in your vicinity, you live in a really shallow world because a huge # of men WILL NOT RAPE YOU because your just there.

And respect the boundaries of women when anything that can be misconstrued can make a mans life hell? Where the fuck is the equality in that? Seriously? Walk on eggshells around every "female" that is encountered because I don't want them to misconstrue my rape intentions? 

Because your a beautiful woman and I smile at you I fucking raped you? Maybe you should be gratefull your attractive and not a 400 pound fucking whale with a play dough face right?   Ohhhh my fucking bad.

Fuck off with that shit. I'm going to go to my local Walmart's women's bathroom and cry naked. I'll let you guys know how it goes. 

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Magnum on 12/10/16 at 15:04:14
Aaaaaaaaaaaaand I'm arrested.......

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by SynthR on 12/10/16 at 15:46:06
YouTube isn't the way to go to form arguments or an opinion and I see some of you, especially in the last six pages, missing the big picture of what four years of Trump actually means. But continue arguing about your personal pet peeves in the world, by all means. That's how real change happens. Maybe you guys should talk about how your electoral system is fucked and doesn't actually work like it should.

Stay away from Canada.

Sincerely,

Trump 2016.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 12/11/16 at 04:58:42
I want to get into the transgender stuff at some point. Its becoming increasingly annoying because now the Left is pushing this shit on kids and children, before they even have a chance to hit puberty or learn about the own sexuality naturally.

http://www.feministpress.org/drag-queen-story-hour/

"YouTube isn't the way to go to form arguments or an opinion"

Why? What's wrong with using youtube?

"But continue arguing about your personal pet peeves in the world, by all means."

All this cultural stuff we're discussing influences everything and everyone and most of it becomes huge reasons why people believe what they believe and vote the way they do. I don't understand why you think cultural discussions have no place in political debates?

"Maybe you guys should talk about how your electoral system is fucked and doesn't actually work like it should."

What's fucked up about it? What should we be discussing then?

"I see some of you, especially in the last six pages, missing the big picture of what four years of Trump actually means."

What does it mean? Please enlighten us with your future telling. What do you want to discuss? Here are some possible options or you can choose something else:

1) Trump separating himself from his business in order to govern without any conflicts of interest.

2) Trump's cabinet picks.

3) Trump potentially bullying/threatening businesses to stay in the U.S.

4) Trump lowering business tax rates is good for corporations and jobs, but raising tariffs on imported goods is bad for consumers.

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In other news, yet another radical liberal--this time a teacher--on yet another college campus spouting outrageous bullshit, fear mongering, and demonizing and entire group of people:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/11482/teachers-union-threatens-sue-student-posting-james-barrett

More dumb feminists; this time sending bloody tampons to the Texas Governor:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/11499/totally-sane-feminists-sending-bloody-tampons-amanda-prestigiacomo

The melodrama of the Left is just hilarious at this point:

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/12/women-make-dramatic-beauty-moves-after-trumps-victory.html

Retard Michael Moore calling all liberals to continue disrupting society with their hurt feelings at Trump inauguration:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/11465/michael-moore-lets-disrupt-trumps-inauguration-amanda-prestigiacomo



Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by †Adonael on 12/11/16 at 10:43:40

SynthR wrote on 12/10/16 at 15:46:06:
YouTube isn't the way to go to form arguments or an opinion and I see some of you, especially in the last six pages, missing the big picture of what four years of Trump actually means. But continue arguing about your personal pet peeves in the world, by all means. That's how real change happens. Maybe you guys should talk about how your electoral system is fucked and doesn't actually work like it should.

Stay away from Canada.

Sincerely,

Trump 2016.


You are a good poster and I respect you Synth, BUT this is a debate topic on much more than just Trump and that is kind of what we were doing.

NO ONE knows what four years of trump actually means because he has only been president for a little while.

I touched on the election system and how I don't agree with it and if you read my post you'd know that. It's all been said and done.

I feel like this post was just kinda hateful and pointless. It added nothing. Throw some more of your logic out there. I'd be happy to debate with you on the points of this election and etc.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Magnum on 12/11/16 at 14:15:06
Synthr is just poking the bear. He obviously knows I'm trolling. I don't want to go to Canada. Have you seen the temperatures??

I'm not arguing. I'm just accepting that everything in the world now needs a safe space, and must be mindful of the hurt we might inflict when we might say some bad things.

And 4 Years of Trump is nothing like having maybe 4 Years of Deez Nutz. I mean.....come on. He's totally qualified just like the rest of us.

The electoral college isn't fucked either. People have paid good money........I mean placed good laws into effect to make sure the popular vote doesn't elect a President.

Because.......ya know.....popularity has nothing to do with it. But it's great either way!

I'm so happy I live in aMErica where I can freely express MY opinions and tell others they are hateful with no recourse.

It's awesome. 

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Dim Shades Forever on 12/11/16 at 19:20:39
[Having to rewrite this post....my browser crashed...]

I am one of the few that is in favor of the electoral college. I just think it needs to be reformed. The electoral votes per state should be apportioned by the percentage of popular vote earned in that state. The electoral votes would be divvied up by a candidates percentage in that state instead of a "winner take all".

I'm 1000% against abolishing the electoral college. It would allow more populated states like New York and California to ultimately decide the election. It would silence the voices of less populated states such as Alaska, New Hampshire and Wyoming. The system right now can make it swing either way but no electoral college would ultimately tip the odds in favor of the Democrats.

I'm just against any idea of a straight-up democracy. We have many intelligent people in this country that don't vote and a shit-ton of morons (e.g. V-Wing, Skywalker) that do vote. Could you imagine if there was a national referendum called after the Orlando shootings or a referendum called because there's "potential" of a terrorist attack on our soil?

My Facebook was jampacked with assholes saying we should outright ban gun ownership after the Orlando shooting but the government has every right to own nukes that could wipe out all life on Earth. On the other side, we have V-Wing types that think the 4th amendment is just a "guideline" but not a rule...if you're not doing anything wrong....why have a problem with cops kicking in your door without a warrant?  Because no one has ever had shit planted on them or been accidentally killed in a no-knock raid.

I don't want a soccer mom in New Jersey who knows more about Keeping Up with the Kardashians than the Constitution telling me what kind of firepower I can own. I also don't want some bandwagon patriot like V-Wing to tell me I have no right to privacy and that I should let someone kick in my door without a warrant because I "might" be a criminal. Fuck that.

Sorry for ranting, folks. Going to down a bottle of Sam Adam's cherry wheat.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Toasty on 12/11/16 at 19:56:15
Do you think then, Dim Shades, that there ought to be a populace cap  towards votes? Would that be an idea of a reform? Every time I hear someone say something needs to be reformed, I'm inclined to hear just how exactly they'd reform it. I'm interested in hearing.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by †Adonael on 12/11/16 at 20:33:12


Skeletor for 2020!


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Anyway with that garble out of the way, what I don't agree with in our current system is the fact that our representatives, who are supposed to represent what we want and vote for can say other wise. Which can and has happened multiple times. I'm not sure how you could do a reform and make it fair for all, but isn't that part of the issue anyway? Trying to give everyone a trophy?

Instead of winning states how about we count all the individual votes of every single person on machines that don't try and change your vote to Clinton.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Dim Shades Forever on 12/11/16 at 20:34:53
I believe Maine and Nebraska are on the right track in terms of doling out electoral votes. They use the congressional district method - the popular vote winner statewide gets an 'x' amount of the electoral votes then the remaining electoral votes are collected by the winner of the popular vote in each Congressional district in that particular state.

California almost always gives all of it's electoral votes to a Democrat. In a 'congressional district' system, more republican/libertarian strongholds such as the Orange County area and areas such as Needles, Barstow...would have their voice heard instead of the popular vote winner statewide getting to claim every electoral vote despite voters from certain Congressional districts not voting in their favor.

It would at least be (in my opinion) a step in the right direction. It could even trickle down to help third party candidates if they campaigned like hell in philosophically friendly districts.

I just can't in good conscience support a direct vote of the President. There are tons of intelligent people who do not vote for parties but look at the issues. Then we have people who vote for parties even if the person running doesn't reflect their viewpoints...straight-ticket voters.

That and like I said before - I'd hate the can of worms to be opened and we become a direct democracy on all issues. Rights are not inalienable in a democracy.

--Edit--

Right on about shitty representatives. I'm all for term limits for Congressmen. Some of those dickheads make a lifelong career out of it, vote themselves raises every year and we still re-elect them. I'm fine with a limit of two or three terms for Congressmen. Try to work your ass off to fulfill your promises you made (such as obeying the Constitution) and then retire back to private life. They should also not get any perks above the average citizen - no exorbitantly ridiculous retirement to leave with, no tax funded meals, no special protection....root out the corruption and all the perks. They should be public servants - not pampered pricks.









Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 12/12/16 at 04:13:30
Well, I was going to break down why the Electoral College is actually a good thing that shouldn't be abolished tonight but Dim has already done that for me, saving me precious time tonight so I can go play some games instead. His ideas for reform seem the most reasonable also.

Here are a couple links that lay it out in better detail:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/442783/electoral-college-california-rules-america-without-constitutions-system

http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/matthew-hrozencik/levin-electoral-college-absolutely-brilliant

Now below is the interview I've been hoping would happen for a couple months now; Jordan Peterson on Joe Rogan's show. This video is a must watch, at least the first hour or so. This is the best video I've posted in this entire thread.

Peterson lays out, in a way more intelligent way than I ever could, why SJWs and modern leftist thought and behavior is so destructive and dangerous and why we must fight it.

I would love to see ANYONE try and argue with ANY of his logic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04wyGK6k6HE&list=PLk1Sqn_f33KuS7ZSVMJqzFaqOyyl-esmG&index=8




Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 12/13/16 at 04:56:40
Here are the latest victims to lose their jobs because of triggered SJWs and liberal faggots. Is anyone else seeing my point yet?

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/christie-blatchford-b-c-teacher-fired-for-having-the-wrong-opinion

http://www.therebel.media/gavin_mcinnes_december_08

Got my new shirt in the mail today. I'm really hoping some liberal tries to fight me when I wear this out.




Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by †Adonael on 12/14/16 at 13:51:09
For anyone who wants to argue gun control.






Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 12/15/16 at 03:48:38
3D printed guns are the future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DconsfGsXyA

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 12/15/16 at 06:30:42
This just brings a tear to my eye.


Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 12/23/16 at 02:50:16
Why Trump Won: The Movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CBZZgXaE_A

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by †Adonael on 12/28/16 at 22:32:14
https://youtu.be/RklUQ73fyuE

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Muddeh on 12/30/16 at 05:42:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRPGPAnPNa8

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Kemmler on 01/31/17 at 15:13:42
A message from the Dutch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELD2AwFN9Nc

Make the Netherlands second!

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Magnum on 02/01/17 at 12:34:19
Come on now dude.

You know that no one here in aMErica has a sense of humor for that anymore. Alot of people won't get it.

It might be "offensive"

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Methid Man on 08/19/17 at 07:09:30
So...this is Trump's America...



I pretty much share this writer's opinion.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Magnum on 08/20/17 at 20:06:24
::::::::sets up popcorn machine and uncomfortable lawn chairs:::::::

10 BUCKS TO WATCH THE SHIT SHOW!!! SUPPORT MY REAL DOLL FUND!!! HELP A PERSON OUT!!!

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Ripzsaur on 08/22/17 at 06:16:15

Methid Man wrote on 08/19/17 at 07:09:30:
So...this is Trump's America...



I pretty much share this writer's opinion.

Here's my thoughts. The war on racism has since became the war on white males and I don't mean that in the sense that I feel that they are getting an unfair advantage. I believe it is viewed as a sort of punishment. I understand angry sentiments, but I don't understand how true equality can be achieved without all parties agreeing to that unified concept without universal racism. Yes the uneducated white male will have an uneducated opinion and be deeply rooted in the ideals of those around them, yet people act like that doesn't apply to all races and sections of society. How is a violent white riot and a violent African American riot any different? Playing devil's advocate, how did the Baltimore riots do anything proactive to further the cause of African American abolishment of racism? How did the actions of the white power activist promote any kind of positive inclination? It's not equality, it's retaliation! Here's an example from a rapper named XXXTENTACION, who is exemplifying the actions of both parties:

At one point, he says " Such is bashful, but niggas like a task force, mobbing on the streets and robbin stores, with ski masks, bruh, Niggas ask for peace in riot to bring violence, cause its a game of cat and mouse, and you gonna bleed silent, What's the justice in saying "fuck it," and grab the pump, Then kill a women and many children makes you a chump, Look at all the stores you wreckin', Nigga I reckon, Think about the people who own it for about a second, I know you got your problems but brother they got theirs, This is not a gang, quit violence and grow a pair."

He continues to say to advocate the violence people would prefer, "But, yo, You rather hear me say "Fuck the black prejudice," Let's murder different races, grow hatred and form irrelevant, Views and etcetera... I won't dare say, that you should stop the fucking ignorance, Murder ops, killing shit I'd enjoy the thrill of it, Bath in blood of officers different corpses offing them, auction them, don't you market them, murder them, never heard of them. I could preach the peace, but say fuck it and preach the murder, cause this aint fucking life that we living."

He ends with "We see, I see, death before the children, White guys and white girls hanging from the buildings." and a excerpt from a KKK rally.

So, he has been involved in the movement in the past, so it's interesting to read his words on the subject. Of course, for every person that is violently protesting there is 40 people that aren't. Peaceful protests aren't making the news articles and it just causes tension. Ignorance doesn't have a racial requirement and neither does violence and prejudice. If we were all the same race then we would have prejudice for things less biological. It boils down to the ideals of society in of itself. It's not okay to violently protest in any sense, there's other ways and it increases racial tension by increasing prejudice by manipulation of ideas. Furthermore, it's grouping the majority by the worst sections of the racial group. Racist white people will consider the actions of the African American impoverished population exclusively, and even then they cherry pick their arguments to paint a negative picture. On the other hand, African American racists will hate white people in a similar way, painting a picture of KKK rallies, slave owners and hating all races except their own. That is hypocrisy on both sides as how could equality possibly be achieved without shared blame?

So if we look at the antagonistic approaches from all parties you have nothing but counter-productive terrorism. The African American attacks on White Police Officers is as much profiling as the percentage of police officers doing the same to the African Americans. It's a double-edged sword. I understand history and the racial, cultural and all encompassing issues that have flared this fire for so long, but no progress will ever be able to solidify with ignorance and retaliation. Stupidity is destroying America. Not white people, black people or Trump. Ignorance, aggressive sentiments, sensitivity and dramatic realities are corrupting America.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Magnum on 08/23/17 at 00:32:04
Wait whoa whoa whoa. You made a rational, common sense statement on the internet without yelling, screaming, or cussing?!? Did I read that right?

WTF IS GOING ON?!?!?!? I DUNNO HOW TO REACT!!!

YOU MUST BE SATAN!!!!

Why the fuck isn't anyone buying my popcorn??

IT'S ONLY 15 BUCKS!!!

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Muddeh on 08/24/17 at 02:56:48

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Magnum on 08/26/17 at 10:14:53
No we can't. We don't want to. I'M NOT GONNA WANNA!!! IT'S MY WAY OR HIGHWAY!!!

I don't like this. It needs to go. Don't like that. Needs to go. You have free speech? HELL YEA I DO NOW STFU!!!

I just don't know what to do anymore. This world is so rude. Why can't we all live in peace BUT DON'T FUCK WITH MY OPINIONS BECAUSE I WILL ERASE YOU!!!

I love aMErica where I have the freedom to say anything, do what I like and get to fuck over other people for having a different opinion because IT'S MY 1ST AMENDMENT RIGHT!!!

I didn't mean to offend anyone here. Really. It's so frustrating when all you want to do is divide and conquer because you can't see MY POV.

Assholes.   

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by XIZOR on 08/27/17 at 04:57:32

Methid Man wrote on 08/19/17 at 07:09:30:
So...this is Trump's America...



I pretty much share this writer's opinion.


This is what I posted on facebook just to save a little bit of time:

I don't know many people, including myself, who wouldn't love to exterminate actual Nazis, KKK, and white supremacists, and the ideologies attached to these groups, buts I'd like to take a step back for a second to just remind everyone of one simple fact:

Outside of the unfortunate events in Charottesville last weekend in which ONE stupid individual drove his car into a crowd of people, I don't recall ever seeing any white supremacist gatherings or any violence from those groups before or after the election. There aren't Klan members rolling through the streets on horseback hanging negros from the trees and there aren't SS soilders burning jews or other minorities alive. And while those are hyperbolic examples, they aren't far from what some people seem to actually believe is the reality of America.

Now, I'm not saying we should "just let it go" and allow these stupid people and their toxic ideas to exist, but these white supremacists seem to mostly keep to themselves and aren't out causing much harm. If you can prove me wrong go ahead, provide the evidence to the contrary...I'll be here.

Just to be clear I disavow these racists and all their ideas, but the reason I bring this up is to just make a point about who the real, immediate threats are in the United states: radical leftists and any brand or offshoot of Antifa.

Radical lefties and Antifa are the ones I see rioting, shutting down free speech, burning down and destroying property, tearing down statues, pepperspraying and throwing piss on people, and beating and stabbing all manner of people for even something as simple as having a "nazi hairdo"...whatever that is.

If you think this isn't the reality of the situation, then you are blind to what's really going on. I'm going to keep posting links to articles, pictures, and videos showing you where the true evil and immediate threat to the moral and cultural foundation of America and it's citizens lies. And if anyone has any evidence to the contrary or you think that somehow white supremacists or the alt-right, whose number are nowhere near as large as the media wants you to believe, are the bigger threat then please share or debate me.


The reason I take issue with "So...this is Trumps America" is that its a lazy excuse for a much bigger problem. Its like blaming Black Lives Matter on Obama. While I don't think that either president did or has done much to point out the root causes of the problems of racial tensions in our country, I do think all these present day racial divides started under Obama...though its not entirely his fault.

I blame the media entirely for all this shit and how they rile up these young retarded college kids who think they are fighting a war that doesn't exist combined with the uninformed people who just hear the word racist or nazi and think they are fighting god damn WWII on every street corner. I get somewhat caught up in it as well as I follow this stuff very closely now though as someone who lives in the south and probably interacts with more blacks and minorities than most people, I'm just not seeing this supposed racial civil war in my day to day life.   

But beyond all the boring politics I feel like the real tragedy is that the very fabric of our culture is being completely destroyed with all these modern day anarchy Marxists, communist attitudes, blatant anti American socialism, so called "progressive" ideas and identity politics that do nothing but put people into categories and oppression brackets to try and separate us, thought policing alongside overly politically correct horseshit, and an all out assault on everything humorous, wholesome, and fun. Hey, I don't like the Alt-Right, but I'll be goddamned if most of them don't have a good sense of humor, at least if their internet shitposting facade is to be believed with the memes, trolling, and that fucking cartoon frog and Kekistan shit that triggers and confuses so many people.


Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Magnum on 08/27/17 at 08:17:30
Stop. Just stop.

I hear butt holes screaming in pain. Terrible pain. Safe zones are being destroyed and no one cares. There needs to be more alt, though what one I don't know. Is that a good flavor?

I don't want to have a civilized debate. That shit is sooooooooo underrated.

Confusion say; "Soft in mind and soft in spirit makes for good Vagina."    

STOP JUDGING ME!!!

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Infernal on 08/28/17 at 12:26:18
They ruined a nice Dodge, it's what I'm mad at along with the lady dying. I thought she was cute.

Nonetheless, it's hilarious how Trump says both sides are at fault and many people are still losing their shit over it. I mean, how many times must Trump denounce the KKK/Nazis and their leaders? Trump should've told the press to go on YouTube and look up what he said about Duke. How about his comments in terms of what happened to him leaving the Reform Party? Even if he denounced them again, the White Nationalists will gravitate toward him. It's like a mosquito that just won't leave you alone.

The both sides comment, it just means that there's always normal people with their set of opinions that a majority don't agree with. These white nationalists are a far cry to ones from a century ago. If anything, some of these people have regular standard lives just like us. Same logic can go for the counter protestors. Both groups always have the element of the logical person, the neutral, and the demented. Every group in existence (whether it's race or fanbase) will continue to have it. People must understand this simple logic instead of lumping things in a basket.

The anti-white hatred stems from people trying to 'justify' revenge in honor of their ancestors. I hate that logic immensely solely because they are people who they never met. If these ancestors never met any of today's folks, why should either party care back?

Media outlets engage in the human brain's preference of magnetizing negative information and continue to do so. Sure, there's bad stuff going around the world but compared to last century with two world wars and fascist/communist movements in various countries being practiced for the first time in history, things are pretty great.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by †Adonael on 10/07/17 at 08:46:21

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Magnum on 10/07/17 at 21:03:24
That's really funny but, now I need eye bleach.

Asshole.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by smokecephus on 01/24/18 at 10:55:41
I always vote republican. Been working hard labor jobs for over 10 years. Nothing like getting fined for something you couldn’t afford already,  such as health care. I haven’t gotten any money back during tax time for years... gotta pay in every time. I forget what the figure was but with whatever bill that has got passed they will not tax my first few thousand dollars that I make this year. When ya make less than 20gs a year that makes a big difference. On an average two week paycheck I get taxed $300 or more. So yeah I’m all for any government person that is trying to help out a working man like me. Hard to get by this day in age being a single dude with no kids. Opinions are like assholes everyone’s got one. Twisted Metal on folks. \m/

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Father Time on 01/30/18 at 09:25:23

Dim Shades Forever wrote on 12/11/16 at 20:34:53:
I believe Maine and Nebraska are on the right track in terms of doling out electoral votes. They use the congressional district method - the popular vote winner statewide gets an 'x' amount of the electoral votes then the remaining electoral votes are collected by the winner of the popular vote in each Congressional district in that particular state.


So we can have gerrymandering fucking over the presidential election too? No thanks.


Dim Shades Forever wrote on 12/11/16 at 20:34:53:
California almost always gives all of it's electoral votes to a Democrat. In a 'congressional district' system, more republican/libertarian strongholds such as the Orange County area and areas such as Needles, Barstow...would have their voice heard instead of the popular vote winner statewide getting to claim every electoral vote despite voters from certain Congressional districts not voting in their favor.


And a direct vote would also fix that problem?


Dim Shades Forever wrote on 12/11/16 at 20:34:53:
I just can't in good conscience support a direct vote of the President. There are tons of intelligent people who do not vote for parties but look at the issues. Then we have people who vote for parties even if the person running doesn't reflect their viewpoints...straight-ticket voters.


These people will exist in the same numbers with or without electoral college. Every argument I've heard in favor of electoral colleges just seems to boil down to "I don't like the results we'd have without the electoral college, I don't like the voters" including yours.


Dim Shades Forever wrote on 12/11/16 at 20:34:53:
That and like I said before - I'd hate the can of worms to be opened and we become a direct democracy on all issues. Rights are not inalienable in a democracy.


A slippery slope argument? There's countries that don't have electoral college and don't have direct democracy.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Father Time on 01/30/18 at 09:33:19

XIZOR wrote on 12/15/16 at 06:30:42:
This just brings a tear to my eye.



It's kind of fitting, skimming your posts I get the sense your only real reason for voting for Trump was for some culture war bullshit, to stick it to the tiny crowd of radical liberal SJWs who never had any real power other than whining on the internet (or on TV or wherever).

Trump's not going to stop people from saying stupid shit about white men, he doesn't have the power to stop any of it. He says he's going to get people to say Merry Christmas again (because I guess he's one of those thin skinned snowflakes that actually cares if people say "Happy Holidays" over "Merry Christmas" or vice versa) but he can't do that. This isn't a blow against the SJW menace, since Hillary wasn't really one of them to begin with and Trump can't stop them.

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Magnum on 01/30/18 at 13:12:22
:::::::::busts out popcorn::::::: YEA BABY!!! WERE BACK!!! THIS SHIT IS GONNA GIT GOOD!!

That's 15 bucks you owe me pal for the popcorn. No need to thank me.

HEY!!!! ::::::waves hands dramatically::::  SOMEONE GIVES A SHIT!!!!

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Muddeh on 01/30/18 at 17:57:34

Title: Re: Trump wins
Post by Magnum on 01/31/18 at 15:14:00
She should be asking for an extra gender neutral, no misogynistic, non-transphobic, no transient, dash of LGBT, semi-sweet high class.

I mean.....like......like....like...it's the trendy!!!

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