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Message started by Hellbent on 10/13/12 at 07:21:37

Title: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Hellbent on 10/13/12 at 07:21:37
This is usually a fun debate that can be argued morally and with less evidence. Present your side with your vote or wait for more results to come in.

You can vote for Yes if you support it but not in it's current form. Be sure to explain how you believe it should be done.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Magnum on 10/13/12 at 08:22:09
If you use the Badonk-a-donks, you should die by the Baonk-a-donks.

Word

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by The Dizaster Child on 10/13/12 at 13:10:34
Yes. Yes, I do.

But I believe more in letting the families of the victims have first crack at the convicted, though. If they end up killing the person, then oh well. That just saved the state time and money.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Obliverate on 10/13/12 at 16:28:59
Life in prison without parole. Considering the person was (probably) already going to spend 10-15 years on death row, another 40+ is only more punishment, versus death, which would end it. Not to mention, if the person offs themselves then so be it.

But the "let them have at 'em" argument is really more of a savage idea and would only degrade society. Not to mention, what if it's the wrong person?

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Kilrgrn on 10/13/12 at 16:30:27
No, not fond of the idea.

As it is, isn't it up to the states? Leave it like that.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by kodkilla on 10/13/12 at 17:20:50
Yes, but we need to come up with a country set guideline as to what qualifies receiving the death penalty. Same with every other crime now that I think about it, because the legal system we have in place now is kind of fucked. This guy kills an old lady while robbing her = death penalty, gang member kills a couple other gang members  = could be life or could be 15-20 years, rock star drunk behind the wheel and kills somebody = 30 days. Wth?

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Mr.SLaM on 10/13/12 at 17:58:01
I'll expand on this later but, seeing as I don't have to time, but I think the death penalty isn't given enough. If there going to put a scumbag in jail for life, then they should just kill him. allowing them to live wastes my tax money.
I think if your in prison for a varried amount of time with chances of getting out early, but you continue to misbehave, then you should be sentenced to death.
From a moral point of view, I'm not a firm believer in an afterlife so if these people want to waste there lives to useless violence then let them die, they don't deserve the gift of consciousness.
Just for shits n' giggles I'd have to 2 people up for the electric chair, I'd have one go off at random with one walking away to live another day. Maybe then they'd realize to turn there life around.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Alexander DeLarge on 10/13/12 at 20:11:54
I support the death penalty but they should bring back the electric chair and have it used on convicts who did something really serious like rape, murder, etc.

Also, let one of the victim's family members do the honors in pulling the switch.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Kilrahi on 10/13/12 at 23:38:54
Some crimes are so heinous, so nasty, that only the death penalty BEGINS to make up for what they did.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Hellbent on 10/13/12 at 23:55:33
I think the Death Penalty is wrong for several reasons

First of all it's against the Bible and most religious teachings. Which contradicts the political stance that EVERY execution state holds. How can you spend so much tax payer money on killing a person and still consider your self a honest to god Christian?

My second point is really more then one point. But i'll just bunch it all into one spot. What about people wrongfully convicted and charged with the death penalty? Lawyers will falsify evidence and kill you in order to win a case. Imagine being the victim of a very intelligent lawyer who is only interested in winning cases? Or being the victim of an illegal interrogation where they beat you to the point of confessing? Or what if you are simply a victim of circumstance and while all the evidence points to you being the culprit you are totally innocent? Sure life in prison isn't exactly a joy. But most people would prefer it over being executed.

Need evidence that innocent people are given the death penilty?

http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/The_Innocent_and_the_Death_Penalty.php

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution

Wayne Felker, a convicted rapist, is also claimed to have been an innocent victim of execution. Felker was a suspect in the disappearance of a Georgia (U.S.) woman in 1981 and was under police surveillance for two weeks prior to the woman's body being found. The autopsy was conducted by an unqualified technician, and the results were changed to show the death occurring before the surveillance had begun. After Felker's conviction, his lawyers presented testimony by forensics experts that the body could not have been dead more than three days when found. A stack of evidence was found hidden by the prosecution that hadn't been shared with the defence or presented in court, including DNA evidence that might have exonerated Felker or cast doubt on his guilt. There was also a signed confession by another suspect in the paperwork, but despite all this, Felker was executed in 1996. In 2000, his case was reopened in an attempt to make him the first executed person in the US to have DNA testing used to prove his innocence after his execution.[7]


Third and lastly it costs more money to execute someone then to put them in prison for life. Meaning the only reason to execute someone is out of spite. Vengeance is not justice. By supporting the death penalty you are supporting the murder of innocent people and guilty people.

The only benefit the death penalty offers is a deterrence for people who aren't rich or famous to rape/murder people. If you happen to be popular you are completely immune to the death penalty. Hell you are almost immune to life in prison too. You might get 10 years for murdering someone then get out in 6 for good behavior if you are famous. If you are just some jerk they'll kill you like a barnyard chicken.




wrote on 10/13/12 at 23:38:54:
Some crimes are so heinous, so nasty, that only the death penalty BEGINS to make up for what they did.


Settle down judge dread.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Kilrahi on 10/14/12 at 00:18:31
No.  These people are offensive.  You should be upset.  

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Hellbent on 10/14/12 at 00:37:57

wrote on 10/14/12 at 00:18:31:
No.  These people are offensive.  You should be upset.  


I said nothing about not being upset that evil people exist in the world. I am calling you out on judging people who for all you actually know could be innocent. Like that convicted rapist who got murdered by the state for a rape/murder convicted by another person.

You are partially responsible for promoting the line of thought that anyone convicted of a horrible crime should be punished in the worst way possible. It excites you to have a person killed so much you forget that the courts make mistakes. Either that or you consider the innocent deaths collateral damage and believe they died to serve justice or some insane bullshit.

I don't think killing a murderer really does anything. Other then potentially giving an innocent person the ultimate punishment. All because of your misguided bloodlust.

Stop for a second and think about it. Is the state truly capable of always executing guilty people 100% of the time? How do you justify people being executed for crimes which they did not commit?

It doesn't matter if some people deserve to die. The fact executions happen at all is wrong. You may feel above these people but everybody makes mistakes. Both in life and when handing out justice.

I'm sure the mentally retarded people they execute are totally aware they are being punished before they die haha. "WHY ARE YOU BUCKLING ME IN? IS THIS A RIDE! YAY SIX FLAGS YAY SIX FLAGS!" *BBBBBZZZZZZZTTTTTT*. What a clever way to punish the retarded murderer. There is certainly no irony or hypocrisy going on there.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Kilrahi on 10/14/12 at 01:01:54

Hellbent wrote on 10/14/12 at 00:37:57:
I said nothing about not being upset that evil people exist in the world. I am calling you out on judging people who for all you actually know could be innocent. .


You asked me if I supported the death penalty.  I do, for guilty people.  You didn't ask for a whole lot more detail.  

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Hellbent on 10/14/12 at 01:12:31

wrote on 10/14/12 at 01:01:54:
You asked me if I supported the death penalty.  I do, for guilty people.  You didn't ask for a whole lot more detail.  


I brought up a case of a person judged as guilty being found innocent years later. You are arguing that it's okay to murder the guilty.

Totally unbatman.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Kilrahi on 10/14/12 at 01:18:55

Hellbent wrote on 10/14/12 at 01:12:31:
I brought up a case of a person judged as guilty being found innocent years later. You are arguing that it's okay to murder the guilty.

Totally unbatman.



Murder by definition is the killing of someone who has violated laws.  So therefore executing a murderer is not murdering someone.  

Now, I'm saying it's okay to put to death someone who actually did it.  Not someone who is found guilty but is innocent, that sucks.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Hellbent on 10/14/12 at 01:41:03

wrote on 10/14/12 at 01:18:55:
Murder by definition is the killing of someone who has violated laws.  So therefore executing a murderer is not murdering someone.  

Now, I'm saying it's okay to put to death someone who actually did it.  Not someone who is found guilty but is innocent, that sucks.



Too bad. By executing people you place a precedent that if a person is found guilty of certain crimes they will be put to death.

What kind of psychotic world do you live in? Backpeddlestan?

i'm sure people who kill innocent people feel the exact same way you do. "It was a mistake! We only intentionally kill GUILTY guilty people. Not just people FOUND guilty."

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Kilrahi on 10/14/12 at 01:49:19

Hellbent wrote on 10/14/12 at 01:41:03:
Too bad. By executing people you place a precedent that if a person is found guilty of certain crimes they will be put to death.
."


Duh.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Hellbent on 10/14/12 at 01:54:05

wrote on 10/14/12 at 01:49:19:
Duh.



So you support punishment more severe then the death penalty but only if Zordon, God, The Shadow, Robocop, and Superman are elected as judges?

If you keep backpeddling you'll wind up back in the 9/11 thread.

I imagine your next step is to call me an idiot and claim that you are TMA's mouthpiece.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Kilrahi on 10/14/12 at 01:59:19

Hellbent wrote on 10/14/12 at 01:54:05:
So you support punishment more severe then the death penalty but only if Zordon, God, The Shadow, Robocop, and Superman are elected as judges?

If you keep backpeddling you'll wind up back in the 9/11 thread.

I imagine your next step is to call me an idiot and claim that you are TMA's mouthpiece.


Please show where I said or did any of those things.  Quote me.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Hellbent on 10/14/12 at 02:02:09

wrote on 10/14/12 at 01:59:19:
Please show where I said or did any of those things.  Quote me.


I'm not your lawyer. Defend your self if i'm wrong.

Also be a little more clear about what you are asking.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Kilrahi on 10/14/12 at 02:02:59

Hellbent wrote on 10/14/12 at 02:02:09:
I'm not your lawyer. Defend your self if i'm wrong.

Also be a little more clear about what you are asking.


I'm innocent until proven guilty.

What I'm asking is obvious, assuming you can read.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Hellbent on 10/14/12 at 02:03:42

wrote on 10/14/12 at 02:02:59:
I'm guilty.


Throw him in the gas chamber judge i have his written confession.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Kilrahi on 10/14/12 at 02:04:27

Hellbent wrote on 10/14/12 at 02:03:42:
Throw him in the gas chamber judge i have his written confession.


See, and this is the real Hellbent we all know exists.

You aren't interested in a real discussion of any kind, which is why no one will ever take you seriously.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Hellbent on 10/14/12 at 02:06:04
Says the guy who believes "We should enforce the death penalty. But only if we are 100% sure that the person is guilty.".

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Kilrahi on 10/14/12 at 02:06:23

Hellbent wrote on 10/14/12 at 02:06:04:
Says the guy who believes "We should totally have a death penalty. But only if we are 100% sure that the person is guilty.".


That is exactly what I said.

Edit: Well actually this is more what I said:

I support the death penalty when they are guilty.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Hellbent on 10/14/12 at 02:08:09

wrote on 10/14/12 at 02:06:23:
That is exactly what I said.


Do you understand what falsified evidence is?

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Kilrahi on 10/14/12 at 02:09:11

Hellbent wrote on 10/14/12 at 02:08:09:
Do you understand what falsified evidence is?


That has nothing to do with what I'm saying.  See the edit.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Hellbent on 10/14/12 at 02:10:15

wrote on 10/14/12 at 02:09:11:
That has nothing to do with what I'm saying.  See the edit.



Bullshit. Your entire stance is dependent on some magical pure force of justice that will never exist. You speak bullshit.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Kilrahi on 10/14/12 at 02:10:56

Hellbent wrote on 10/14/12 at 02:10:15:
Bullshit. Your entire stance is dependent on some magical pure force of justice that will never exist. You speak bullshit.


Please explain.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Hellbent on 10/14/12 at 02:11:57

wrote on 10/14/12 at 02:10:56:
Please explain.


If someone fakes evidence and you are found guilty then the court views it exactly the same as if the evidence wasn't tampered or confessions weren't forced.

By supporting the death penalty only for the guilty. You are siding with the courts who make mistakes, get fooled, and possibly might even frame people.

How do you prove someone did something with enough accuracy to say that nothing could have possibly been tampered or falsified? You could spend all the money in the world and never come up with a system that doesn't kill an innocent person.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Kilrahi on 10/14/12 at 02:14:54

Hellbent wrote on 10/14/12 at 02:11:57:
If someone fakes evidence and you are found guilty then the court views it exactly the same as if the evidence wasn't tampered or confessions weren't forced.

By supporting the death penalty only for the guilty. You are siding with the courts who make mistakes, get fooled, and possibly might even frame people.

How do you prove someone did something with enough accuracy to say that nothing could have possibly been tampered or falsified? You could spend all the money in the world and never come up with a system that doesn't kill an innocent person.


Right, but you didn't ask a detailed question.  You asked only a simple question.

As a principle I do support the death penalty when a person really is guilty.  

Do we decide not to do it because we can't always be sure?

Hard to say.  

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Obliverate on 10/14/12 at 02:17:19
WHO THE FUCK CARES

WHO

I'LL FUCKING TELL YOU: NO ONE. YOU'RE JUST A CRAZY FUCKER FROM TEXAS AND A CRAZY FUCKER FROM ONTARIO OR NEW YORK OR SOME OTHER FOREIGN CAPITAL, DUKING IT OUT JUST TO MAKE A SCENE.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Kilrahi on 10/14/12 at 02:18:55

Obliverate wrote on 10/14/12 at 02:17:19:
AND A CRAZY FUCKER FROM ONTARIO OR NEW YORK OR SOME OTHER FOREIGN CAPITAL, DUKING IT OUT JUST TO MAKE A SCENE.


Not really Obliv.  Keep doing what you do best though and post funny pictures.  I really do like them.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Hellbent on 10/14/12 at 02:18:59

wrote on 10/14/12 at 02:14:54:
Right, but you didn't ask a detailed question.  You asked only a simple question.

As a principle I do support the death penalty when a person really is guilty.  

Do we decide not to do it because we can't always be sure?

Hard to say.  


The Death Penalty, the term Guilty, and the fact you all know full well i'm from Texas is all the evidence you need that i'm not talking about a fantasy utopia. I'm talking about the real life justice system that we all live under and must be familiar with.

You don't want to admit you are wrong or psychotic.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Kilrahi on 10/14/12 at 02:19:49

Hellbent wrote on 10/14/12 at 02:18:59:
The Death Penalty, term Guilty, and the fact you all know full well i'm from Texas is all the evidence you need that i'm not talking about a fantasy utopia. I'm talking about the real life justice system that we all live under and must be familiar with.

You don't want to admit you are wrong.


Name one statement I said that was wrong?  I haven't deviated from anything I said.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Hellbent on 10/14/12 at 02:20:52

wrote on 10/14/12 at 02:19:49:
Name one statement I said that was wrong?  I haven't deviated from anything I said.


You don't understand what the word guilty means in real world logic.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Obliverate on 10/14/12 at 02:22:29

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Kilrahi on 10/14/12 at 02:22:45

Hellbent wrote on 10/14/12 at 02:20:52:
You don't understand what the word guilty means in real world logic.


Yes I do, and in fact how carefully I am making a distinction above proves it.  

Edit:  Nice Obliv.  That one was good.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Hellbent on 10/14/12 at 02:28:13

wrote on 10/13/12 at 23:38:54:
Some crimes are so heinous, so nasty, that only the death penalty BEGINS to make up for what they did.



So you know what crimes are. You know what the death penalty is. You think that it only BEGINS to make up for what they did.

You supported the death penalty. Not some magical death penalty where only the guilty are killed. The death penalty. The one in this universe that we live in. Where we execute the mentally retarded.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Kilrahi on 10/14/12 at 02:29:34

Hellbent wrote on 10/14/12 at 02:28:13:
So you know what crimes are. You know what the death penalty is. You think that it only BEGINS to make up for what they did.

You supported the death penalty. Not some magical death penalty where only the guilty are killed. The death penalty. The one in this universe that we live in.


Then . . . why was I so specific?  

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Hellbent on 10/14/12 at 02:30:19

wrote on 10/14/12 at 02:29:34:
Then . . . why was I so specific?  


Specific? All you are doing is eluding that people should be tortured before being executed to make up for their crimes.

You said nothing about a magical crime solving deity.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Kilrahi on 10/14/12 at 02:34:16

Hellbent wrote on 10/14/12 at 02:30:19:
Specific? All you are doing is eluding that people should be tortured before being executed to make up for their crimes.


Elude:  To avoid or escape by speed, cleverness.  

"All you are doing is [to avoid or escape by speed, cleverness] that people should be tortured or executed to make up for their crimes.



I'm sorry, WTF are you trying to say?

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Hellbent on 10/14/12 at 02:39:23

wrote on 10/14/12 at 02:34:16:
Elude:  To avoid or escape by speed, cleverness.  

"All you are doing is [to avoid or escape by speed, cleverness] that people should be tortured or executed to make up for their crimes.



I'm sorry, WTF are you trying to say?


It's a fancy word for dodge. Which is what you are currently trying very hard to do.

I can admit it's a poor usage of the word though. I imagine the day you admit you are imperfect will be in a bathtub with a shaving razor.

Sure is better then me saying "WELL YOU AREN'T READING WHAT I WROTE CORRECTLY AND WHAT I MEANT WAS THAT YOU ACTUALLY WANT THE STATE TO TORTURE PEOPLE INSTEAD OF KILLING THEM."

Makes as much sense as supporting the death penalty to punish the "guilty". But not the guilty people later found innocent.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Kilrahi on 10/14/12 at 02:43:02

Hellbent wrote on 10/14/12 at 02:39:23:
It's a fancy word for dodge. Which is what you are currently trying very hard to do.

I can admit it's a poor usage of the word though. I imagine the day you admit you are imperfect will be in a bathtub with a shaving razor.

Sure is better then me saying "WELL YOU AREN'T READING WHAT I WROTE CORRECTLY AND WHAT I MEANT WAS THAT YOU ACTUALLY WANT THE STATE TO TORTURE PEOPLE INSTEAD OF KILLING THEM."


But I am perfect . . . so . . . why would I say I'm not?

Now, where in any of this am I saying people should be tortured?  I'm 100% certain I have not said that.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Hellbent on 10/14/12 at 02:45:06

wrote on 10/13/12 at 23:38:54:
Some crimes are so heinous, so nasty, that only the death penalty BEGINS to make up for what they did.


This conversation would be less about how much of a narcissist you are if you would elaborate more on your own feelings instead of trying to cover your ego.

Instead you are going to pretend you were being vague with your words.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Kilrahi on 10/14/12 at 02:45:41

Hellbent wrote on 10/14/12 at 02:45:06:
This conversation would be less about how much of a narcissist you are if you would elaborate more on your own feelings instead of trying to cover your ego.


I already told you.  Specifically.  Is there another question you have?

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Hellbent on 10/14/12 at 02:48:22

wrote on 10/14/12 at 02:45:41:
I already told you.  Specifically.  Is there another question you have?


Haha you are so completely full of shit. Why do you support the murder of innocent people?


Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Kilrahi on 10/14/12 at 02:52:07

Hellbent wrote on 10/14/12 at 02:48:22:
Haha you are so completely full of shit. Why do you support the murder of innocent people?


I specifically said I do not.

Edit:

Well, that's not true.  I implied I do not.  So, let me come out and say it.  I do not.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Hellbent on 10/14/12 at 02:53:17

wrote on 10/14/12 at 02:52:07:
I specifically said I do not.

Edit:

Well, that's not true.  I implied I do not.  So, let me come out and say it.  I do not.


The people who vote for the death penalty think that the government is capable of always executing the right person 100% of the time.

Why do you support spending extra tax money to kill prisoners?

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Kilrahi on 10/14/12 at 02:55:44

Hellbent wrote on 10/14/12 at 02:53:17:
Why do you support spending extra tax money to kill prisoners?


Why do you support anal sex with chipmunks?

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Hellbent on 10/14/12 at 02:58:28

wrote on 10/14/12 at 02:55:44:
Why do you support anal sex with chipmunks?


Because we kill animals all the time for food and clothing. Also when asked to vote on the bill they tagged on something about police being able to execute civilians on the sidewalks thanks to the new truth a meter invented by police chief bubba.

So while the chipmunks are no longer safe. At least there won't be any executions on the streets.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Kilrahi on 10/14/12 at 03:00:05

Hellbent wrote on 10/14/12 at 02:58:28:
Because we kill animals all the time for food and clothing. Also when asked to vote on the bill they tagged on something about police being able to execute civilians on the sidewalks thanks to the new truth a meter invented by police chief bubba.

So while the chipmunks are no longer safe. At least there won't be any executions on the streets.



I suppose that's as good an answer as any.

I'm off to bed.  I wish you the best with your thread.  

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Hellbent on 10/14/12 at 03:00:31
I hope a swat team raids your house and shoots your child in the face.

Then the mystic minority report storm troopers can come in and sentence the swat member to a FATE WORSE THEN DEATH!!!! Which will of course then make you feel better about your child being dead. You and the wife will be so relieved to have all that extra time to be at such peace about your kid being murdered.

That is like saying "I support the holocaust just as long as everybody is given 3 meals a day, a heated cabin, private restrooms, and can adpot their own pet from the Forrest. Nobody actually dies but they get to take their new pet home with them. That is what i meant by "I support the holocaust".".

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Mecit on 10/14/12 at 11:39:17
I believe it's necessary at some point. Because, people really do disgusting things.


Rapists, for example, should get executed ASAP.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Hellbent on 10/14/12 at 13:23:59
Why is rape the worst thing in the world? Is it worse then elder abuse, child neglect, abortion, or reckless endangerment?

Were you raped Mecit? Is there something about the rape process i'm missing?

Evidently raping someone makes it possible for them to execute you for another persons rape. So you sort of get your wish. They drag out a convicted rapist and kill him in place of the guy who confessed. Though in all honesty that was probably a forced confession they got.

Personally i think all rapists should be given the benefit of the doubt and at least 3 strikes. We all misread people once in awhile it's an honest mistake.

Not like that time my friend was hitting on the hostess at chucky cheese even though she was clearly under 17. That was on purpose that guy is a terrible person. "Yeah girl your braces are hot. I have braces too. Check out my black child that i own."

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Ohmygod on 10/14/12 at 13:55:40
The possibility of someone being innocent is a good reason to not have the death penalty.

You can't get any additional information or understanding from a dead person.

Life in prison is torture for all inmates.

Families of the victims usually say it didn't change anything or how they feel.






Unfortunately some people deserve to die.

I don't know the exact figures but as costly a death penalty is I would think  its more costly to house someone for decades.

If people knew there was no death penalty would that make them more careless to heinous crimes?






Lots of contradictions. Looks like there's more reasons to not have it though.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Hellbent on 10/14/12 at 14:44:34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n213Edgicyk

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Mecit on 10/14/12 at 17:20:04

Hellbent wrote on 10/14/12 at 13:23:59:
Why is rape the worst thing in the world? Is it worse then elder abuse, child neglect, abortion, or reckless endangerment?

Were you raped Mecit? Is there something about the rape process i'm missing?

Evidently raping someone makes it possible for them to execute you for another persons rape. So you sort of get your wish. They drag out a convicted rapist and kill him in place of the guy who confessed. Though in all honesty that was probably a forced confession they got.

Personally i think all rapists should be given the benefit of the doubt and at least 3 strikes. We all misread people once in awhile it's an honest mistake.

Not like that time my friend was hitting on the hostess at chucky cheese even though she was clearly under 17. That was on purpose that guy is a terrible person. "Yeah girl your braces are hot. I have braces too. Check out my black child that i own."



I was just giving an example. Yes, there are indeed worse things than rape. Like pedophilia.

No, I didn't get raped. You don't need to get raped to think rape is a horrible thing. The victim gets ruined biologically and psychologically and the rest of their life is pretty much fucked up. Unless they're Nina as she enjoys it. But if you enjoy it, it's not rape. But rape normally is a non-consensual thing which is basically what causes the trauma. Rape is not only about fucking someone without their consent.

Rape is a crime and must result in punishment.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Spagett on 10/14/12 at 17:35:21
I raped 5 turkeys and murdered a child. 3 months in prison please  8-)

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by kodkilla on 10/14/12 at 18:18:50
Hellbent, would you still say no to execution if you knew that the person in question did in fact do it? What if his crimes were on levels of Luis Alfredo Garavito (a child murder, rapist, and torturer; who got sentenced 22 years; 139 confirmed victims, but suspected of killing over 400)?

Just wondering.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Mosh on 10/14/12 at 19:15:56
This is a tough argument.

I actually find executions revolting. Sure, there are monsters who deserve it, and sadly, there are people who are innocent that get screwed over, and that's truly shitty. What's disgusting to me is the idea that watching an execution is somehow cathartic for the victims still living. It's not real therapy. It doesn't bring loved ones back. It's meaningless, the greatest thing to come out of it is that it's one less prisoner that needs to be fed and caged. The pain of the living victims does not die with that execution.

So I guess I do not disapprove the death penalty for the truly guilty, but I do not really support the death penalty. Not much good comes from it.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Hellbent on 10/14/12 at 22:23:56

kodkilla wrote on 10/14/12 at 18:18:50:
Hellbent, would you still say no to execution if you knew that the person in question did in fact do it? What if his crimes were on levels of Luis Alfredo Garavito (a child murder, rapist, and torturer; who got sentenced 22 years; 139 confirmed victims, but suspected of killing over 400)?

Just wondering.


By killing the evil person you open the gates for innocent people to also be killed. Eventually you become a monster just like the person you were trying to get rid of.

The only excuse i could think of to execute a prisoner like that is if it were more expensive to imprison them. Or if you didn't have enough spare food to feed a prisoner. Otherwise all you truly accomplish is death.

Also Rape and Pedophilia are practically the same thing. i was thinking of comparing Rape to Abortion.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Mr.SLaM on 10/15/12 at 16:43:48
I like how you derail a thread you made. You asume everyone is either falsly guilty or corrupt. You sound like a hypocrite.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Hellbent on 10/15/12 at 17:44:22

Mr.SLaM wrote on 10/15/12 at 16:43:48:
I like how you derail a thread you made. You asume everyone is either falsly guilty or corrupt. You sound like a hypocrite.



I don't understand your criticism.

I haven't derailed the post. I'm talking about the ethics of allowing the justice system to kill a person. The poll i left is clear.

It's correct to be concerned about people being falsely put on death row. Supporting the death penalty knowing that there is no justice system in the world possible of only punishing the guilty is irresponsible. It's that kind of thought that gets innocent people killed. I can bring up tons of instances of innocent people being executed for crimes they didn't commit due to forced confessions, falsified evidence, and even insane juries.

Speaking of hypocritical. How can you be against murderers and still kill a person who you have already captured? It isn't really changing anything if you already have the criminal in custody. I can understand if you witness a murder and splatter his brains on the street because he's trying to escape. But it's not about the death penalty for cases of vengeance. It would make more sense if you supported the enslavement and torture of murderers. Killing them is hypocritical, a waste of money, and an ineffective way of getting vengeance. I'm not even bringing the religious ramifications into this discussion. But needless to say if you are a Christian who supports the death penalty you are the worst kind of hypocrite.

Killing a prisoner costs so much money compared to jailing them. Unless you live in a country like China where there aren't any civil rights or federal laws making the process faster and cheaper. The whole process is horribly expensive and time consuming for what essentially is a vendetta.

Aren't you kind of pissed that so much money is being spent to kill people who are already in custody? Is it really worth the satisfaction of lukewarm state issued vengeance?

Personally if i had a choice between executing Charlie Manson or creating jobs for people by building more schools. I'm going to pick the schools. Charlie Manson being dead wouldn't do anything for anybody.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Obliverate on 10/15/12 at 19:15:54
Jeez Hellbent you are a bad person.


Anyways I think we should slowly vivisect and torture felons. It's obviously the humane and civilized thing to do, and would make us much better than the person we are torturing to death. We should also piss all over the corpse and have a pack of dogs hump it. Then we will blend the remains into a smooth paste, and feed it to our young, to remind them of what would happen if they went against our sane, normal, rational and civilized ways. An eye for an eye means I get lots of eyes and win and you lose the end.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Hellbent on 10/15/12 at 19:38:32
We should make killers mother preform the execution to get back at their family. It's not fair that the killers family isn't forced to watch and participate while the families of the victims suffer with no sweet vengeance to help them sleep at night.


Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Devilman on 10/16/12 at 21:28:40
Yes! So many people in this world deserve to be fried.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by Equinox on 09/07/18 at 15:52:40
As a conservative, Yes. As a Catholic, No. It really sucks because it should be obvious to people what is right and wrong but as much as they deserve it, I don't think it's our right to judge someone's life away. However the other side of me would love it less taxes, less shitty people and not worrying about them breaking out of jail. I'd have to stick with no because my beliefs but there are definitely more benefits to it being legal from a non moral standpoint.

Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
Post by BrandoTG on 04/17/19 at 19:12:33

Hellbent wrote on 10/15/12 at 17:44:22:
The poll i left is clear.

No, it's not. Deep down, your poll is

Do you support the fuckin murder of innocent people?
[list bull-redball]
  • Hell yes, burn em all, sick the dogs on em
  • No, for we cannot know who is guilty

  • Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
    Post by Thumpy on 04/18/19 at 12:34:29
    On the fence on this one.

    Innocent people can die either way.

    The death penalty MIGHT make people think twice about committing murder.

    On the other hand innocent people MIGHT be convicted and sent to their deaths.

    The ultimate punishment should be reserved only for the most ultimate crimes.

    Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
    Post by BrandoTG on 04/18/19 at 19:37:42

    Thumpy wrote on 04/18/19 at 12:34:29:
    Innocent people can die either way.
    I have to agree with that bit, people are gonna die either way. Every situation is incredibly different, so we can only estimate the amount of innocents killed in each choice. To me, I think it'd cause a lot more suffering for the ones wrongly sentenced to death, than someone shot. Sure, the one shot is in pain physically, but the mental anguish of someone knowing they'll be put to death soon, and for no reason, family and friends questioning their innocence, it all must be awful. The amount of suffering weighs in to the value of that death imo. Also, tbh, the people in prison for crimes worthy of the death penalty are already in prison.

    on another note, noone plans to get caught, if the death penalty was added, I doubt it would make much difference in crime rate

    Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
    Post by 3000 Miles To Grace Land on 04/21/19 at 10:12:29
    Yes but only in extreme cases and when you can prove the accused did in fact 100% commit the crime they are accused of and in the cases of with a victim like mass murder, serial killings, child rape, mass rape, for war criminals, and genocide, and for real actual terrorists, and for war lords who use child soldiers.

    Title: Re: Do you support the death penalty?
    Post by 3000 Miles To Grace Land on 04/21/19 at 10:26:53
    One more thing. It must be done sparingly and rarely. And if you are a spy for a foreign government i believe if you are caught you deserve trial and if found guilty you should be given the death penalty.

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